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By Debra Rienstra
Host Debra Rienstra interviews a different guest each week, exploring the idea of refugia from a variety of perspectives, from biology to worship to politics. Refugia are places of shelter where life endures in times of crisis. We’re exploring what it means for people of faith to be people of refugia.
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#2 The Great Laughter: Jamie Skillen on Humility and Hope


#22 Living Together in a World of Wounds: Dave Koetje and Summing Up Season 2
Biologist Dave Koetje returns to reflect with host Debra Rienstra on major themes from Season 2.
November 28, 2020
#21 Infrastructures of Holiness: Fred Bahnson on Arks, Intercessory Forests, and Gregarious Hermits
Writer Fred Bahnson explores the distinction between arks and refugia. He describes his visit to the church forests of Ethiopia and his involvement in the community garden movement, and he ponders the role of metanoia and mystical connection in a refugia faith. 
November 14, 2020
#20: Imaginative and Messy: Kathryn Mae Post on Religion Journalism and Reconstructing Faith
Kathryn Mae Post describes her own process of reckoning with a faith crisis, engaging in anti-racism work, and starting out in religion journalism at a time of major cultural and religious transition.
November 07, 2020
#19 Love Thy Downstream Neighbor: Tim Van Deelen on Sorrow, Anger, and Conservation Biology.
Wildlife biologist Tim Van Deelen reflects on the spiritual challenges of wildlife conservation and considers the call to value the commons and engage in strategic activism. 
October 31, 2020
#18 Where Beauty is Happening: Katerina Parsons on International Development, Ripple Effects, and Hunger for Deep Roots
Katerina Parsons reflects on refugia in international development settings, on engaging in advocacy and activism as a young adult, and on feeling restless and place-starved at once.
October 24, 2020
#17 Dreaming of Eloheh: Randy Woodley on Following the Harmony Way
Randy Woodley brings Christian and indigenous worldviews into instructive conversation, describing his quest to establish Eloheh Farm, a place where people can reconnect with land and recover indigenous farming practices.
October 17, 2020
#16 Kites and Kingfishers: Ruth Harvey on Iona Community and Emerging Patterns
Ruth Harvey describes how times of crisis spur people toward new ways of imagining and organizing community. She reflects on how the Iona Community models refugia as places we move in and out of, located and dispersed.
October 10, 2020
#15 Momentum into the Next Thing: Bill McKibben on Fighting Overwhelming Odds and Praying Through Mental Static
Bill McKibben reviews some recent good news in the climate fight and reflects on an ethic of human solidarity, the demands of activism, and holding on to Christian faith. Also: the book of Job, refugia, and the delights of vernal pools.
October 03, 2020
#14 Sacramental Cats and Hungry Deer: Dave Koetje on Refugia Amid COVID
Biologist Dave Koetje talks with host Debra Rienstra about how the COVID-19 pandemic has altered his ideas about refugia. Also: Zoom worship, garden pests, and stepping-stone refugia.
September 26, 2020
#13 Important Dying: Dave Koetje and Summing Up the Refugia Series
Biologist Dave Koetje returns to reflect with host Debra Rienstra on everything we’ve learned over the course of the last twelve episodes. 
December 06, 2019
#12 Baselines and Soul Work: Hillary Scholten on Immigration Reform and the Urgency of Creating Good Policy
Hillary Scholten, an attorney who worked for the DOJ under President Obama and then provided legal representation for migrant workers in Michigan, considers how government policy, people of faith, and the larger community can intersect to create healing refugia spaces.
November 29, 2019
#11 Jazz on the Dunes: David Jellema and the Colony at Lost Valley
In this episode, we travel out to the shore of Lake Michigan and back in time. Jazz musician David Jellema recounts the history of the "artist intelligentsia retreat" founded by his father and uncle.
November 22, 2019
#10 Do the Next Right Thing: Kate Kooyman on Refuge, Refugees, and Stewarding Citizenship
A pastor and education team leader at the Christian Reformed Church’s Office of Social Justice, Kate Kooyman sorts out some confusing matters of immigration policy and explores how people of faith help immigrants and refugees go beyond refuge to community integration.
November 15, 2019
#9 Keep All the Pieces: Tim Van Deelen on Wildlife Conservation and the Ghost of Aldo Leopold
Tim Van Deelen, professor of wildlife ecology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, explains how the term refugia is used in the context of wildlife conservation, along the way telling stories about grizzlies, black-footed ferrets, wolves, and Aldo Leopold.
November 08, 2019
#8 Dying and Rising: Jeff Chu on Composting, Evolving Faith, and Pop-Up Refugia
Journalist and recent seminary graduate Jeff Chu ponders the intersection of theology and farming. He also describes the Evolving Faith Conference and other places of healing and fresh imagination for people who are, for whatever reason, feeling on the margins of the church.
November 01, 2019
#7 Through Pain to Freedom: John Witvliet on Prayer, Lament, and Refugia in Worship
John Witvliet, Director of the Calvin Institute of Christian Worship, explores how Christians can create refugia spaces in worship through thoughtful public prayer and courageous practices of lament.
October 25, 2019
#6 Kitchen Table Refugia: Christina Edmondson on Higher Education, Social Media, and Discipleship for Discernment
Dean for Intercultural Student Development at Calvin University and co-host of the Truth’s Table podcast, Christina Edmondson reflects on the potential for refugia on college campuses and on the virtues and difficulties of virtual refugia.
October 18, 2019
#5 New Generation Rising: Kyle Meyaard-Schaap on Young Evangelicals and the Climate Crisis
Kyle Meyaard-Schaap, National Organizer and Spokesperson for Young Evangelicals for Climate Action, takes stock of how the church is doing in addressing climate change and describes how young Christians are leading the way, finding refugia through intentional action.
October 11, 2019
#4 Sacred Vessels: Jo-Ann Van Reeuwyk on the Arts, the Holy Spirit, and Sanctuary Spaces
Studio artist and art educator Jo-Ann Van Reeuwyk reflects on art and risk-taking, sacred spaces pedagogy, vessels, and pokey things.
October 04, 2019
#3 Seedbed to Be a Blessing: Steve Bouma-Prediger on Refugia in Scripture
Steve Bouma-Prediger, professor of religion at Hope College and “ecotheologian,” reflects on examples of refugia in the Bible and the virtues necessary to fulfill our God-given, human responsibility to the earth.
September 27, 2019
#2 The Great Laughter: Jamie Skillen on Humility and Hope
Jamie Skillen, professor of environmental studies at Calvin University, overviews the sometimes tense relationship between Christianity and environmentalism and urges us to aspire toward an “eschatological stewardship.”
September 20, 2019
#1 Little Pockets: Dave Koetje and Defining Our Terms
Dave Koetje, professor of biology at Calvin University, helps lay the groundwork with some definitions.
September 06, 2019