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Say What Needs Saying: The Most Controversially Civil Conversation Podcast

Say What Needs Saying: The Most Controversially Civil Conversation Podcast

By Zachary Sluzala & Brandon Garrison
Join Zack and Brandon as they encourage open, civil and constructive conversation around controversial subjects. We cover topics such as politics, religion, money, culture, and more. Help us break down conversational barriers, revitalize free discussion, push back against cancel culture and open minds. We've covered BLM, hate speech, drug use, finance, bias, education reform, stereotypes and more.

*Views and beliefs expressed by guests and/or listeners do not represent the views or beliefs of Zack or Brandon, and views expressed by Zack or Brandon do not represent the views of the other host*
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Mary Damer & Dave Ziffer Say What Needs Saying: Education Reform

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Mary Damer & Dave Ziffer Say What Needs Saying: Education Reform

Say What Needs Saying: The Most Controversially Civil Conversation Podcast

Self Reflection
Zack and Brandon sit down to reflect on the progression of the podcast and all the positives that it has brought. They mention benefits such as increased confidence, conversational flow, and the ability to see how thoughts in your head sound when you say them out loud.
June 16, 2021
Living Through the Labels
Brandon and Zack discuss labeling people or oneself as a conservative, liberal, progressive, libertarian, republican, democrat and more. We touch on what it means to be some of these things, and how the labels can be both helpful and damaging. We touch on Rachel Dolezal identifying as black, the Black Lives Matter organization, and changes in party views over time.  If you like this episode, check out to read the episode show notes and hear our other conversations! SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE: LIKE US ON FACEBOOK:
June 9, 2021
Experiences From Within the Capitol: Sherman Tylawsky Says What Needs Saying
In this episode Zack and Brandon sit down with Sherman Tylawsky, the host of the Friends and Fellow Citizens Podcast, to discuss his experiences in the Capitol complex on January 6th and the events of that day, division in the country, and more!  If you like what you hear from Sherman, check out more of his stuff here:
June 2, 2021
The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: SWNS Live
In this episode, Zack and guest co-host MrMan discuss the Israeli-Palestinian conflict live with our listeners. We start with some historical context, and then open the floor for all to discuss and share their views on the issues. 
May 27, 2021
Virtuous Cults and Political Polarization: Eric Fretz Says What Needs Saying
In this episode, Zack interviews Dr. Eric Fretz to discuss virtuous cults/tribes, increasing political polarization, countering cancel culture with civil conversation, "liberal indoctrination" in academia, and more! Don't mind the birds, we recorded outside! See the video on our YouTube here:
May 19, 2021
Police, Prison, and Critical Race Theory with the Views From The Arch Podcast
Zack and Brandon sit down with Delvon from the Views From The Arch  podcast to discuss policing, the prison system, critical race theory,  and more. We touch on humanizing police and criminals, and Delvon leaves  listeners with a closing message to listen to each other when having a  conversation.
May 12, 2021
Laws vs The Land: Which Laws Should Exist? Which Shouldn't?
In this live discussion, Zack and Brandon discuss different laws with  listeners, and which should be gotten rid of. We touch on local vs  national law, constitutionality, and even systemic racism. Check it out!
May 7, 2021
Discussing the Good and Bad of Islam: David and Mohammad of the Ask an Iranian Podcast
In this episode, Zack and Brandon sit down with David and Mohammad from the Ask an Iranian Podcast to discuss the good and bad/controversial elements of Islam. David and Mohammad kick it off with what Islam means to them and other positive elements. We then discuss "radical Islamic terrorism" and women's rights/feminism, as well as how Western culture is at times at odds with Islamic teachings. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to follow/subscribe for more!
May 6, 2021
Threads Podcast: Life Unfiltered Interviews Say What Needs Saying
Check out this episode of the Threads Podcast: Life Unfiltered, where they interview Zack and Brandon!  If you enjoy this episode, check out more of them on their website: or on their link tree link:
May 3, 2021
SWNS Live: Ma'Khia Bryant, Police Brutality and Finding Solutions
Zack and Brandon chat live with listeners about the Ma'Khia Bryant  shooting, as well as about police brutality more broadly. The  conversation ends on a positive note, discussing potential solutions for  issues within policing and communities. If you'd like to join us live next time, email us at!
April 30, 2021
Money Talks: What is Cryptocurrency?
In this episode, Brandon breaks down the basics of cryptocurrency. Why is crypto gaining popularity? What makes it special? Should you invest? Listen to find out! What is cryptocurrency? [00:45] · Cryptocurrency is a form of payment that can be exchanged for goods and services. Brandon explains that you need to exchange “real” currency for the cryptocurrency and uses Chuck E’ Cheese tokens as an analogy. Decentralization of cryptocurrency [02:14] · Brandon explains blockchain, the decentralized “recording system” that makes crypto secure. Buying cryptocurrency [06:33] · Brandon discusses getting a “cryptocurrency wallet” to store cryptocurrency in. Zack and Brandon then go over the legality of cryptocurrency in different countries, as well as share the services that they themselves use to buy and hold cryptocurrency. Zack and Brandon discuss the uncertainty in the future of cryptocurrency [12:57] · Only ever invest money that you can lose! SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE HERE: FIND OUR OTHER LINKS HERE:
April 29, 2021
SWNS Spotlight: Talking about Ma'Khia Bryant with a Columbus Police Officer
In this episode, Zack and Brandon sit down with a police officer from the Columbus, Ohio police department to discuss the shooting of Ma'Khia Bryant. Mike debunks several “alternatives” proposed by the media and others such as using a taser, firing a warning shot or shooting the legs. We discuss the releasing of the bodycam footage, and dive into some of the more newly released details of the case. Mike gives his take on the Chauvin verdict and ends the episode recommending that people be informed, suggesting numerous resources available. #SWNS Zack asks Mike what his initial reactions and thoughts on the Ma’Khia Bryant shooting were [01:37] · Mike explains that he was on duty when the shooting happened. He says that he was waiting for more details, and that even two hours after protesters were gathering. If he as an officer did not have all the information, he says, they must not have either. Mike believes the bodycam footage vindicates the officer, and that if anything, he would have shot earlier if put in the same situation. Brandon asks Mike whether tasers are “just for show” [07:29] · Mike thinks the taser is just for show. He does not carry one himself, as it’s optional in his department. He chooses to carry a baton as his “intermediate weapon”. Mike goes on to explain five criteria that Columbus police must meet before using a taser against a person with a lethal weapon (i.e., a knife): o Time o Distance o A barrier between the officer and suspect o Lethal force backup o Reasonableness Zack then asks Mike to give his take on alternatives presented by the media, such as shooting the legs or in the air [11:54] · Mike’s initial response is that “Basically, the only people that you will ever see make the suggestion to shoot the leg is someone who probably has never even been in the same room as a gun, let alone had any training with a gun.” He also explains why officers are trained to shoot at center mass, shooting to stop, and the fact that officers only have one chance in situations like these. Zack asks Mike what his thoughts on releasing the bodycam footage as early as it was released are. · He was surprised, but Mike believes that releasing the bodycam footage helped to deescalate the situation. Brandon asks Mike how the police department handles these situations, and whether anything is done for officers involved in shootings? [24:25] · Mike explains the resources available to officers, including administrative leave, meeting with psychologists after any critical incident, a supportive environment and more. Zack, Brandon, and Mike discuss other details of the shooting, including who called 911, whether stand-your-ground laws apply in this instance, and more [28:01] · Mike explains that so far they have no confirmation of who called 911. He also explains why stand-your-ground laws do not apply here. Zack asks Mike what he had anticipated for the Chauvin verdict, and then Zack, Brandon and Mike discuss the trial [32:38] · Mike believes that Chauvin was guilty of somethingbut is not sure what he would say he is guilty of, as he is not a lawyer. He also thinks this will serve as a wake-up call for other officers. Mike closes the episode and Says What Needs Saying [45:39] · Being an officer is different than what is portrayed on TV. Mike encourages people to do a ride along, or multiple ride alongs. citizen police academies, and more. · “Being passionate, in my opinion, does not absolve you of your responsibility to also be informed” SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE HERE: FIND OUR OTHER LINKS HERE:
April 28, 2021
SWNS Live: Police Brutality, Daunte Wright, and Dogecoin
In this episode, Zack and Brandon discuss the recent shooting of Daunte Wright, police brutality broadly, and the recent rise in Dogecoin prices. One listener joins the conversation, with others commenting live. If you like what you hear and would like to be invited to future live episodes, email us at *Views expressed by listeners do not represent the views of Say What Needs Saying LLC, Zack, or Brandon*
April 23, 2021
SWNS LIVE: Anti-Asian Violence, Causes and Solutions
In this live episode, Zack and Brandon talk with listeners and discuss the recent spate of anti-Asian hate and violence.  We talk about the shooting in Atlanta, and the shooter's motive. We also discuss gun rights and restrictions a bit as well. Brandon and a couple Asian listeners share their experiences with animosity between the black and Asian communities, and we discuss that in the context of the recent uptick in violence. If you want to join these live conversations, email us at to join our invite list, so we can send you the Zoom links! SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE:
March 27, 2021
SWNS Spotlight: MrMan Discusses Wokeness, Equity and Cancel Culture in Academia
For this week's SWNS Spotlight we bring on a longtime listener of the podcast to discuss something that means a lot to them. We cover lots of topics pertaining to academia. We touch on safe spaces and trigger warnings, and how these got adopted on college campuses. MrMan describes cancel culture and the "mob mentality" associated with it. Zack, Brandon and MrMan discuss instances of discrimination (such as healthcare provided to black women), and how systemic racism is often the only "acceptable" reasoning behind these instances. And so much more! Email us at if you want to Say What Needs Saying and join us for a conversation! SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE:
March 26, 2021
Discussing the Good and Bad of Christianity: Dillon Bruce of the Bible Conversations Podcast
In this episode, Dillon Bruce of the Bible Conversations Podcast joins Say What Needs Saying to discuss Christianity. We begin by talking about the "good" of Christianity. Dillon shares how Christianity provides meaning to life, and what he believes are the best aspects of his faith.  We then move on to discussing the more controversial or "bad" aspects of Christianity. Brandon asks about the associated with the KKK and racism, and why a black individual should join Christianity with that sort of history. Dillon compares extremist groups to a black eye: a small portion of the whole, but glaringly obvious. Zack asks about Catholic priests and molestation accusations, and what the response should be by the church. Positions of power more broadly are discussed, and how these behaviors happen outside of the church as well.  We cover much more, and end on another good note, with Dillon sharing more positive elements of his faith. SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE:
March 25, 2021
In this episode, Brandon and Zack discuss IRAs, and why you should absolutely start one if you don't have one already. 
March 24, 2021
SWNS Live: Cancel Culture, Censorship and Investing
Zack and Brandon invite their listeners on to further discuss the topics  covered in this week's episodes. We dive further into cancel culture,  Gina Carano, and censorship in general, as well as talk stocks more,  with Brandon and Zack talking about some different investments they're  potentially looking at (even though none of it is financial advice!).  Each week, we invite our listeners to join the Zoom call and chat live  with us, whether about the topics we have covered or other things that  people with to Say that Need Saying! Email us at to join the invite list and join the  conversation next time! SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE: LIKE ON FACEBOOK:
March 20, 2021
SWNS SPOTLIGHT: Crane's Critter Care
Jenn from Crane's Critter Care steps into the SWNS Spotlight along with  Ursula the chinchilla, to discuss her business. We discuss how Crane's  Critter Care operates, but also issues such as people buying pets they  can no longer take care of after lockdown ends, negative vs positive  reinforcement, and more! Tune in Fridays for our  SWNS Spotlight segments! SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE: LIKE ON FACEBOOK:
March 19, 2021
PERCEPTIONS OF AMERICANS: Red's Ramblings Discusses Negative Stereotypes He's Encountered
For this week's culture segment, Say What Needs Saying brings on Red  from the "Red's Ramblings" podcast to discuss international sentiments  towards Americans, and different reactions he's gotten when seeking out  people of different cultures to interview. We touch on the Philippines,  Trump, cancel culture, and much more. Tune in Thursdays for more Culture and Religion segments! SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE FOR VIDEO PORTIONS: LIKE US ON FACEBOOK:
March 18, 2021
We're beginning our segment on money, during which we'll discuss  investing, finances, money, and everything related to them. In this  first episode, Brandon covers the basics of what a stock is and Zack and  Brandon both discuss a bit about their personal investments. Subscribe  for more, and tune in Wednesdays for more Money segments! While we  aren't experts, we hope to normalize the conversations around money  since they're so important. SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE FOR VIDEO PORTIONS:  LIKE US ON FACEBOOK:
March 18, 2021
CANCEL CULTURE & CENSORSHIP: "Ask an Iranian" Discusses with Say What Needs Saying
The "Ask an Iranian" podcast stops by to discuss self-censorship,  Iranian sentiments about Trump, cancel culture broadly, and much more. SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE TO SEE THE VIDEO COMPONENT: Tune in Tuesdays for more Politics/Current Events segments, where we'll discuss more important topics and Say What Needs Saying! FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
March 18, 2021
Threads Podcast: Life Unfiltered Says What Needs Saying - Can Men Express Emotion?
In this episode Brandon and Zack sit down with Jason and Ben from the Threads Podcast: Life Unfiltered to discuss whether men can express emotion, society's views on men being emotional, going to therapy, anti-depressants, and so much more. Definitely check it out, and if you enjoy their perspectives, check them out too! 
March 1, 2021
Mary Damer & Dave Ziffer Say What Needs Saying: Education Reform
In this episode, Zack and Brandon sit down with two former educators, Mary Damer and Dave Ziffer, to discuss the education system and reform. We discuss things such as the importance of phonics, common core, math education, privatization of education or charter schools, and so much more. Here are some resources that they've provided for further information about the topics we discussed. Education Reform Website developed by parents’ group Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons (currently a best selling book so anyone can teach phonics to their child, niece, grandchild, sister/brother, tutor, or others) Learn how to say the letter sounds clearly when teaching phonics Learning styles vs. academic subject focus in education Myth of Howard Gardiner “Seven Intelligences” Math Education University of Chicago Math/Common Core Math: An Inconvenient Truth “Woke Math” Aims to Teach Seattle Kids That ‘Western’ Math Is Racist Rocket Math Head Start and Project Follow Through Ineffectiveness of Today’s Head Start Programs What Research Indicates about Head Start Programs
February 27, 2021
Derick Van Ness Says What Needs Saying: Wealth, Finances, and Investing
In this episode, Zack and Brandon sit down with Derick Van Ness, a Wealth Strategist with Big Life Financial, and discuss financial freedom, wealth and money management, investing (and what to do even if you still have student debt or other barriers), and more. Money is one of the most important aspects of life, but yet we never talk about it. Help us change that and Say What Needs Saying about money. 
February 22, 2021
Discussing Black History Month on The Ear Hustling Podcast!
Zack and Brandon appeared on The Ear Hustling Podcast with James & Eric to discuss Black History Month as part of a panel of other podcasters. We talked about whether Black History Month should be continued, how black Americans prefer to be referred to, what black history means and how it should be discussed year-long and more. If you enjoy this, be sure to check their podcast out as well! 
February 15, 2021
Discussing the Capitol Hill Riots on the Soulless Society Podcast!
On January 6th, 2021, we appeared on the Soulless Society Podcast to discuss the Capitol Hill riots that had happened earlier that day. Enjoy this throwback to this monumental and horrible event, and hear us offer our perspective on another podcast! If you enjoy this episode, be sure to check out the Soulless Society Podcast for more like it, and if you want to hear more from Brandon and Zack, be sure to listen to our live episode we had done on the event HERE. 
February 13, 2021
Do it Live! Season 2 First Live Discussion: Unity, Gamestonks and More!
We are bringing the live conversations back for Season 2! In this episode we talked about "unity", Wall Street Bets and Gamestock, cryptocurrency, presidential pardons and so much more. If you want to be added to the live episode invite list, email us at Join us next time on Zoom and be part of the conversation!
February 10, 2021
Parker's Pouring Politics Says What Needs Saying: Conversations From the Neighborhood
In this episode, Nate from "Parker's Pouring Politics" joins us to Say What Needs Saying about voting, politics, and the black community in Chicago. We touch on education reform, voting Democrat vs voting Republican, and much more.
February 8, 2021
SEASON 2 PREMIERE - Reds Ramblings Says What Needs Saying: From Fatherless to Father
Say What Needs Saying is off to a running start for Season 2. We sit down with Red from the Reds Ramblings podcast to discuss his experiences growing up without a father, being a dad himself, and what it means to be a man, a father, and strong.  Join our discord server, and let us (and Red) know what you thought of the episode, suggest future ones, and Say all things that Need Saying Find our social media, podcast listening platforms and more here. Email us at to join our live episode invite list. Be sure to tune in 2/6/21 at 7pm EST for our first live discussion of the season! We'll be discussing the concept of "unity" that's been tossed around a lot recently. Hope you'll all join! 
February 1, 2021
THE END OF THE BEGINNING: Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - SUPERCUT
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', our hosts run through all the topics discussed in the first season, highlighting key points discussed, sharing updates on some events, and trying to identify changes in particular situations since the conversation took place addressing them. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: The End Of The Beginning ❏ Starting with the first episode "Discussing Discussion", Zack reminds listeners of the idea behind the podcast. This is to discuss topics that usually people would rather avoid for different reasons like the sensitivity of the topic or deeply held beliefs. Brandon also shares that people are afraid of the unknown, and of being judged. The fear of being wrong plays a role too, in that people would rather keep their opinions to themselves than discuss and be seen as errant. - [00:15] ❏ On the "Black Lives Matter" movement, Zack shares that not much has changed generally although there have been some police reforms as a result of the movement, however, the stance against the organization BLM remains unchanged while he still supports the movement itself. - [02:47] ❏ Freedom of religion and the Supreme court: After discussing this topic it seems impossible to completely separate the church from the state. Religion and the government are undeniably intertwined. - [04:57] ❏ The George Floyd Murder: While both hosts completely condemn the actions of the police officers involved in the gruesome Murder of George Floyd, there is no clear evidence that it was a racist action. Zack also expressed that police brutality is a problem across the board that still needs to be discussed. The fate of the officers is yet to be decided. - [07:27] ❏ Everything Facemasks!: Emphasis is placed on wearing a mask. There is still a level of obstinacy with many giving ridiculous reasons for not wearing a mask, and some just utterly noncompliant. A fault from the government, in this case, was the poor communication since they initially kicked against the use of masks and lost the trust of Americans when they later encouraged it. - [10:59] ❏ #Save the Children: There was a net positive impact from the awareness created on sex trafficking although many only took advantage of it just to pass the time during the lockdown with no real concern for the situation. Another group that took advantage of this awareness to gain more support, is the far-fetched conspiracy theory group QAnon, since their goals were closely aligned with battling sex trafficking but associated with unsubstantiated claims of occult involvement. - [14:21] ❏ The case of Kyle Rittenhouse: The debate continues with one side calling Kyle a hero and another side calling him a Terrorist. Zack believes he is a killer but does not deserve to be charged with murder because he was defending himself. Kyle's friend however has been charged with 2 counts of intentionally selling a dangerous weapon to a person under the age of 18 resulting in the death of another. - [17:23] ❏ The Covid19 Vaccine: With so many unanswered questions still surrounding the vaccine, the episode was exhaustive on the expectations of Americans concerning the vaccine, especially with much distrust of the government based on the handling of the pandemic so far. An undiscussed perspective would be the cultural aspect that determines how people react to the vaccine. - [58:19] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
January 25, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Podsgiving!
We chat about the first ever Podsgiving episode! To hear all the crazy conversation that wound up happening, listen HERE
January 20, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Cultural Misunderstandings
In this episode we talk about our discussion with Preity Upala, Ask an Iranian, Reds Ramblings, and our listeners about various cultural misunderstandings. Check out the whole conversation HERE and HERE
January 19, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Interviewing Param Srikantia
In this episode we discuss our interview with Param Srikantia. Check out the full episode here.
January 18, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Interviewing Two Black Police Officers
In this snippet, Brandon and Zack look back on what it was like interviewing two black police officers and discussing issues such as defund the police, BLM, blue lives matter, the thin blue line and more, with them. To listen to the whole interview, find it here!
January 15, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - The 2020 Debates
In this clip, Zack and Brandon discuss their thoughts on the 2020 presidential and vice presidential debates. We wound up having a great discussion with listeners about the first debate. To hear that whole conversation, listen here!
January 14, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Breonna Taylor
In this short snippet, Zack and Brandon look back on the shooting of Breonna Taylor, and give their thoughts. We think back to the discussion we had about this incident, and how it was great to be able to generate constructive conversation around it. Listen to that episode here!
January 13, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Skepticism, Openness and Bias
In this clip, Brandon and Zack discuss the interview with Tom Kuntzleman and gave our thoughts on why these things are so important in conversation. Listen to the original interview here!
January 12, 2021
What the F%&$ is Going On?!? Discussing the Events at the US Capitol with Our Listeners
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Brandon and Zack take an in-depth review of the violent events at the Capitol and Donald Trump's role in inciting it. Other perspectives to the topic are also discussed by the listeners, including the questionable security, other parties involved, and the depth of discord that led to such an event. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Discussing The Events At The US Capitol With Our Listener‪s ❏ Red from Red's Ramblings starts the episode completely infuriated by the events that took place at the capitol, noting the utter disrespect for the Capitol and American democracy, pointing out the errant unacceptable actions of President Trump to incite violence following his loss at the 2020 elections. - [03:41] ❏ One of the listeners expresses her lack of surprise at the incident, noting there has been a history of double standards from the onset, especially regarding Black Lives Matter. She expressed concern over what may be to come in 2021. Another guest notes the hypocrisy of the whole event, stating that during the Black Lives Matter protest, even when it was peaceful the protest was attacked, yet when this mob stormed the US Capitol building, the response was feeble. Brandon emphasizes the hypocrisy of those who claim to praise democracy when their activities were completely contrary to the tenets of any democracy following Donald Trump's loss. - [08:42] ❏ Back to the hypocrisy surrounding this situation is the fact that a person was shot while breaking into the capitol and people don't seem to recognize that she was actively committing a crime, yet when compared to the deaths of many black people who were not actively doing anything wrong, the first point of conversation is usually all their past misdeeds to somehow justify the killing. Zack still points out that the most important fact is that these killings are not justified in either case and should not be compared. - [16:15] ❏ Was Trump directly responsible for the actions of people at the Capitol? Overall there is the opinion that while Trump might have indirectly but intentionally incited the crowd, there are others to blame who directly encouraged the mob. Of course, because there was no direct instruction from the President to attack the Capitol, there may not be a legal case here but more of a moral one. Another listener expresses fears about the hold Trump still has within his few remaining days in office, describing concerns that Trump may still incite rancor and his supporters will follow. - [26:28] ❏ Trump releases a video stating there will be a peaceful transition to the next government. This in no way means he will back down from his allegations of electoral misconduct, however, if over 40% of Americans had expressed that the electoral process was dissatisfactory, this should have been addressed by Congress before the situation deteriorated. - [55:13] ❏ Discussing the reactions by social media to the events by banning Donald Trump (Twitter Instagram Facebook Snapchat and YouTube). As private institutions, they reserve the legal right to ban whoever they want. Zack rounds off with the point that Trump had a role to play in the violent outcome, but it is a flawed argument to place all the responsibility on his shoulders. Brandon closes by expressing his deep disappointment at the turn of events. - [01:10:25] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
January 11, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Freedom of Speech
In this clip, Zack and Brandon discuss freedom of speech, and how Say What Needs Saying MUST do another episode on it. If you want to hear our first live conversation with listeners about hate speech and free speech, check it out here. 
January 11, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Drug Use
In this snippet, Zack and Brandon look back on discussing the pandemic within the pandemic, drug use and abuse. To hear the entire conversation with Kent Berridge, Scott Silverman, and Bryce Morrison, listen here!
January 10, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - 9/11
In this episode Zack and Brandon look back on our discussion about 9/11 and the commercialization of it. To hear the full conversation, check it out here!
January 9, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Self Love
In this episode, Brandon gives his take on self love, and we look back on our collaboration with the LoveLockdown podcast. To hear the whole episode, listen here!
January 8, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Kyle Rittenhouse
In this episode, we look back on our discussion about the riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin and the case of Kyle Rittenhouse. We generated some great live conversation with our listeners about this topic. Listen to the whole episode here!
January 7, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - The #SaveTheChildren Movement
In this snippet, Brandon and Zack talk about the #SaveTheChildren movement, conspiracy theories, and more. Hear listeners of ours Say What Need Saying on this topic and more here!
January 6, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Masks!
In this snippet, Zack and Brandon look back on everything masks. Mask use, mask mandates, pro-mask, anti-mask, everything. If you want to hear our panel on mask mandates, where we discussed with several international and American perspectives, listen to it here!
January 5, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - George Floyd
In this snippet, Zack and Brandon look back on discussing George Floyd. Hear what our listeners and us had to say about it here!
January 4, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Freedom of Religion
In this snippet, Brandon and Zack look back on our conversation about freedom of religion. There's lots more to talk about on this topic, but in the meantime, listen to the whole episode where we talked about it here!
January 3, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Black Lives Matter
In this snippet, Brandon and Zack look back on Black Lives Matter. Check out the full episodes during which we discussed BLM here, and here!
January 2, 2021
Say What Needs Saying Season 1 Finale and 2020 Wrap Up - Discussing Discussion
In this series of snippets, Brandon and Zack look back on 2020 and Season 1 of Say What Needs Saying. We go back through and discuss various topics that we covered throughout the year. In this first installment, we discuss the premise of the show and our first ever episode. Check out the full first episode here!
January 1, 2021
Does Freedom of Speech Include Hate Speech?
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', the topic of "Hate Speech" is discussed. The question is whether or not Hate Speech is legal, within the confines of Freedom of Speech. Our hosts share their views and discuss with listeners who also explore the approaches to tackling the problem of hate speech, keeping in view the shortcomings of each mindset. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Does Freedom Of speech include hate speech‪? ❏ The freedom to say what you want is a 100% constitutional right. Brandon cites the example of cyberbullying and notes he does not mind hate speech but is more concerned about the negative actions that come about from it. - [03:41] ❏ Defining both 'Free Speech' and 'Hate Speech': Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or community to articulate their opinions or ideas without fear, retaliation, censorship, or illegal sanction. Notably, there are aspects of speech that aren't covered by freedom of speech, like fighting words or words that will imminently incite violence. It is important to note that Freedom of Speech only protects you from the government restricting your speech, but private entities like Twitter or Facebook can control what you're allowed to say on their platforms. - [05:30] ❏ Discussing the story behind the banning of Pepe the Frog, as associated with Hate Speech, Zack noted two mindsets to the concept of human rights. One that believes rights are God-given and for the government to protect while the other believes rights are government-given and the government decides how to use them. These different mindsets will almost certainly have differing perspectives on the control of the government on human rights. - [17:40] ❏ Do you feel the same way about hate speech, given the Confederate flag? It is important to consider the role of debate and reorientation of people in their speech being hateful rather than outrightly banning certain speech since that offers a more likely lasting solution than symbols being banned. - [26:32] ❏ One of the listeners points out how critical it is to note that while the laws may not be against the flag itself, they are meant to keep people in check as those who may want to use such symbols would most likely have nefarious intentions. Zack responds stating his concern over the slippery slope and how much more censorship will be required in the society on Freedom of Speech after such bans have been affected. A listener also notes the negative impacts in different parts of the world where the government banned speech. - [39:22] ❏ Discussing the possible push backs that may follow the banning of Hate Speech. - [01:02:30] ❏ Does hate speech serve any positive functions in a democratic societal order? Although a listener helps create the education and awareness such that Hate Speech itself can be discerned. Brandon does note that hate speech is not necessarily required to learn about history or Hate Speech. - [01:10:30] ❏ Does Hate Speech infringe on another person's right to the pursuit of happiness? - [01:12:27] ❏ When it comes to free speech issues, what is the role of private organizations like the ACLU? Discussing freedom of expression in the same context, Brandon explains that factually hate speech is a part of free speech. The conversation ends with an explicit statement to clearly express that the podcast in no way morally supports Hate Speech but rather is debating the legality of Hate Speech as it concerns Freedom of Speech. - [01:18:10] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
December 23, 2020
The COVID-19 Vaccine: Will You Get It?
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Brandon and Zack extensively discuss the arrival of the Covid19 vaccine. Expressing both personal and scientific views on the general acceptance of the vaccine, they also concentrate on the role of the government and scientists in fostering the use of this vaccine when made available. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: The COVID-19 Vaccine: Will You Get It‪? ❏ Covid19 finally has a vaccine that will be distributed in the next week to over 100 million Americans. - [00:51] ❏ A vaccine is a substance that helps protect against certain diseases. It usually contains a dead or weakened version of a microbe, and it helps the immune system recognize and destroy the same microbe if it infects the person in the future. In this case, the vaccine is the one against the Covid19 virus infection, however, side effects have been noted. Brandon establishes his medical experience pointing out he will be discussing from a standpoint of knowledge. Zack is also in the science field and would be contributing from that perspective. - [00:58] ❏ Would you be taking the Covid19 vaccine? Zack discloses that if mandated based on his job, and possible exposure to patients, he would get the vaccine, but if not, he is yet to decide on getting the vaccine immediately. Brandon shares the same view. - [04:17] ❏ This is the first widespread use of an mRNA vaccine. Addressing concerns that the antibodies created against the virus may also attack the placenta and result in infertility, Zack explains that it is unlikely because the similarities between the proteins of the virus and the placenta are not significant. He expresses displeasure over the effort to abate such concerns, noting that the response erroneously implies there is no similarity between both proteins, which is untrue. - [06:58] ❏ The role of dissemination of information falls to the scientists, doctors, and the government. - [12:37] ❏ Should vaccines be mandatory vaccines? Brandon advises on the importance of taking the vaccine but does not support the use of laws or mandates to force anyone to get it. Another perspective to it is that people who can guarantee that they will avoid human interaction completely are safer without the vaccine since no one knows the long-term effects of the vaccine, but for those who would rather still have more human connections, it is safer for them to get the vaccine. - [18:00] ❏ Addressing the immense distrust of the government, our hosts and guests highlight different reasons factors responsible, including poor communication, media interference with news, and past misdeeds by the medical community. Zack also notes that 4 people got Bell's Palsy during the vaccine trials, but this rate is consistent with the baseline in the general population and does not suggest any correlation with the vaccine. - [21:25] ❏ Zack does not believe the idea that Bill Gates or other elites are attempting to chip or track people with the vaccines. He explains that RFID chips are unlikely to be used in the vaccine since they are grain-sized and will appear on the arm as a bump, unlike with the vaccine. - [47:32] ❏ Zack rounds off the episode by noting that America has handled the Covid19 pandemic poorly in general. Also pointing out the questionable precedent set by the $1500 plan, he is concerned that it paints the picture that people need to be paid to address their health. Brandon emphasizes the need for preventive measures, like proper mask-wearing, hand washing, social distancing and use of multivitamins. - [01:23:50] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
December 17, 2020
Share Your Faith - Christianity and Buddhism
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', our hosts interview religious worshippers from both Christianity and Buddhism, encouraging them to share their perspectives on religion while addressing different misconceptions and answering questions related to their doctrines. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Share Your Faith - Christianity and Buddhism ❏ Brandon was raised in a typical Christian home but has been exposed to different aspects of spirituality generally, and appreciates them. Zack was raised Catholic and still holds those beliefs. He perceives every religion as very similar at the core with more obvious differences mostly in the names, while each retains its uniqueness. Both share that they still lean towards praying to a God. - [01:35] ❏ Zack introduces one of the listeners who is a Buddhist Dharma teacher and she recommends a book to sum up the perspective from Buddhism "Happiness is an Inside Job". She describes Buddhism as a non-theist religion that focuses on self-development and harmonious interpersonal relationships built through meditation. - [06:00] ❏ The Christian podcast also introduces their perspective on religion, explaining that the changes that happen in a person's life as a Christian come through Jesus Christ, which is the only way. They describe the goal of Christianity as becoming like Jesus, and that the closer people get to be like Him, the better the world would be. Unlike Buddhism which focuses more on generosity rather than love, Christianity believes in having and showing love, whereas both religions agree the love is not to be taken lightly. - [10:35] ❏ Zack also introduces a skeptic who shares her opinion following her in-depth exposure as a Christian and a Buddhist. - [18:21] ❏ Bridging the divide, it can be said that both religions tend to focus on being the best version of yourself or being a better person, the main difference being how to go about it. - [22:54] ❏ The Three Foundation Stones in Buddhism: Contentment, Peace of Mind, and Gratitude in that very moment, rather than focusing on past events or future expectations to find peace. Both the Christian and Buddhist note that very often people tend to draw a line when it comes to their religion, in Christianity however, drawing a line risks altering the message of love. - [26:50] ❏ Zack probes a statement by one of the Christians that people would consider it radical to identify as a Christian first before anything else. He explains that from personal experience, several American ideals seem to come before Christianity, and there can be pushback against his decision to put Christianity first when it does not align him with those ideals. The Buddhist guest notes that Buddhism allows for belief in God and also those who don't believe. - [29:25] ❏ A key question comes from the audience on the concept of 'Hellfire' in Christianity as the consequence for those who don't believe in the Christian faith irrespective of the morality of their lifestyle. - [31:25] ❏ Discussing the failings of religion, reasons for these failings, and different approaches to address such failings. - [56:24] ❏ To find out more about Buddhism, visit - [01:04:50] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
December 8, 2020
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Brandon and Zack discuss "Thanksgiving", sharing what they are thankful for, as well as the listeners. The conversation also expands to include other issues surrounding the history of Thanksgiving and various socio-political topics related to it. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Podsgiving! ❏ Zack shares that he is thankful for how things are going in his life generally, knowing that with the way the year has been, they could have been worse. Brandon is thankful for his health. One of the listeners is actually thankful for how the pandemic has created an opportunity for creativity in his business. - [01:49] ❏ While Brandon expressed his concern for people gathering together to celebrate Thanksgiving with fear for what would happen during Christmas, Zack on the other hand has some reservations about the government enforcing laws against family members being together in this period and would rather the approach was more advisory on the detrimental impacts of such gatherings. A listener suggests some level of compromise between both points - [10:20] ❏ Points arising for and against the laws regarding facemasks and social gatherings as well as the enforcement of these laws are discussed by the listeners. They also suggest possible solutions like enforcing these laws through business organizations or local governments, while at the same time questioning the extent to which the government would go to enforce these laws and how feasible that would be. - [19:46] ❏ Addressing the topic of mandates following the pandemic from the perspective of socialism, and the possible negative and positive impacts of America as a socialist economy. - [33:15] ❏ Awkward Thanksgiving Conversations that went awry. - [51:37] ❏ Sharing some history, George Washington was the one who proclaimed the national day of thanksgiving in 1789, to give thanks for the establishment of a form of government for their safety and happiness. However, some members of Congress objected on grounds that the authority to dedicate a day of thanks belonged to individual state governors and not the president. - [01:00:45] ❏ Debating the place of the federal government to create public holidays, as against the state government, our hosts entertain opinions from the listeners. One point noted was that irrespective of the day being created by the government, the choice of if and how to celebrate that day still belongs to each individual. Another key point raised was the benefit of having families all across the country come together on a day federally decided as a public holiday which would not work if each state had a different day set aside. - [01:03:09] ❏ Discussing the hypothetical question of whether it is possible to have a situation where thanksgiving could be canceled, our listeners relate it to the cancellation of Black Pete in Scandinavian countries. Ultimately while a holiday can be changed the actual possibility of it being canceled as a whole is very unlikely. - [01:24:15] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
December 1, 2020
Two Peas on a Pod Interview Say What Needs Saying!
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', "Two Peas of a Pod" hosts, Brian and Raven interview Zack and Brandon. They shed light on the 'Say what needs Saying' podcast, their motivation, challenges, and processes to achieve the results the podcast was designed for. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Two Peas on a Pod Interview Say What Needs Saying‪! ❏ Meet "Two peas on a pod", Brian Daniels and Raven Alford, who host this episode. - [01:00] ❏ Zack and Brandon discuss the "Say what needs saying" podcast generally, highlighting the goal being to discuss highly sensitive topics without the usual emotions attached to such conversations. - [02:05] ❏ Zack discusses the inspiration for the podcast and also notes that the podcast started airing in July 2020. - [03:44] ❏ Discussing the importance of being able to challenge ideas on the podcast without challenging people or hate speech, and the steps that are taken to ensure each person feels safe to share their thoughts. - [11:56] ❏ The typical formats for the show, and the processes that go into finding guests to interview especially using social media. Usually, the idea comes before the guests, in which case after deciding on the topic, they then try to find people who may relate well to it. - [19:51] ❏ What are the most challenging discussions you have had and how were you able to get the conversation to settle down? Brandon refers to an episode where a question was asked and the guest was very offended even though there were no nefarious intentions behind it. Zack also notes a conversation that was not posted due to poor audio in which there was some frustration when guests could not get the kind of response they preferred. - [23:00] ❏ Are listeners or guests resistant to any particular topics? Some topics are just more appealing to certain listeners than others. - [28:40] ❏ While this is Zack's first podcasting experience, Brandon shares that he has had some experience helping other podcasters set up their podcasts. Generally speaking, as regards the audio or video editing, there is little experience between the hosts of the "Say what needs saying" podcast. - [34:35] ❏ Final thoughts from "Two peas on a pod": Brian shares that following the victory of Joe Biden in the elections, the country must move forward rather than indulge the actions of Donald Trump which is creating a bigger divide among people. In recognition of infant loss and miscarriage awareness month of October, Raven expresses her sincere displeasure at the reactions to a post by Chrissy Teigen who suffered a similar loss and tried to encourage others. - [41:31] ❏ Listen to "Say what needs saying" on 'Anchor' or any podcast platform (Spotify, Apple, Google) and also YouTube, Facebook & Instagram (Say what needs saying), and Twitter @say what needs. - [46:27] ❏ Join the Thanksgiving episode of the Say what needs saying podcast, "Podsgiving" on the 27th. - [47:40] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
November 24, 2020
The Trump Accountability Project and Cancel Culture
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Brandon and Zack introduce the Trump Accountability Project and scrutinize the motive behind it, both as it relates to the Trump administration and government in general. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: The Trump Accountability Project And Cancel Culture‪ ❏ The Trump Accountability Project: An organization that made a point to list members of the Trump administration who in some way made money off of Donald Trump's time in office. Brandon describes it as a political way to go about Cancel Culture but notes it is something that probably would apply to all previous administrations rather than only focused on the Trump administration. - [00:46] ❏ While noting that there may be a need for certain changes to be made, our hosts point out, attacking or witch-hunting the Trump administration seems more like the goal of this project. - [10:00] ❏ A listener shares some insight on the origin of the Accountability Projects being in Academia. It was carried out to record professors who made problematic statements in the classroom and boycott them or generally blacklist them. - [16:20] ❏ Zack expressed his major dislike for the project, the reason being the specificity for the Trump administration which plays more into the Trump hate and widens the divide between people. - [20:53] ❏ Would you rather the list be there or not? Zack notes that generally, the list should not exist unless it becomes a pattern in government. Also, highlighted is that similar lists already exist on different credible websites and as such may not be necessary to have another. - [22:37] ❏ While it is unlikely that Joe Biden will get a similar level of attention and energy in an accountability project, our hosts believe that his Vice president, Kamala Harris may be more of the focus of scrutiny because of her post and the likelihood of her taking over if Biden cannot run for a second term. - [29:28] ❏ Discussing Trump's plan to own a media organization and the problem with other news outlets in America. - [30:55] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
November 18, 2020
Cultural Misunderstandings Part 2: Preity Upala, "Ask An Iranian", and Live Listeners Discuss Culture!
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Preity Upala, as well as guests from Iran, David and Mohammed, continue the conversation. Describing their own experiences and familiar cultural misunderstandings, they correct several wrong notions about cultures in India and Iran. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Part 2 Cultural Misunderstandings ❏ Joining in for this conversation is Preity Upala, a former Miss India. - [01:31] ❏ Preity shares some examples of cultural misunderstandings she is familiar with, explaining how she has usually been in the ethnic and religious minority in her environment. First of note is the misconception surrounding 'Yoga', particularly the one where it is described as a secular activity when it is an aspect of Hinduism. - [02:31] ❏ Our hosts also welcome guests from Iran who share cultural misunderstandings, from their experience starting with the notion that Iran and Iran are pretty much the same which is far from reality. Another being that all Iranians are Arabs, when in fact only some of them are. Another point of note is the misconception that Iran has nuclear weapons, which at this point cannot be factually confirmed or denied. Iran is also not 2500 years old, Iran was official in 1935. Iranians are not anti-jew, contrary to popular belief as many Jews live in Iran peacefully. Many also believe Iran is only desert land but there are parts of Iran with actual heavy snow, and snow-capped mountains in the winter, which even allows for skiing. Next, unlike the common notion that Iranian women are weak and oppressed, which is true only for some communities, the women are mostly dominant in the home and the society in Iran. An unfounded belief addressed is that Iranians are religious zealots, hardcore Muslims or anti-Islamic dissidents. - [11:15] ❏ Coming back to the US, a common misconception shared by people outside the country is that there is a lot of wealth among the people so there are no poor Americans. Another one pointed out by the guests is that it is extremely cold everywhere in the US, but there are hot areas with desert-like landscapes. Americans don't only eat fast food, and college is not like "American Pie". - [28:10] ❏ Preity also discusses more misconceptions including noting that while Hinduism is the prominent religion in India, India is a center of origin that several religions share, and as such many religions are embraced in India. She also describes some origin misconceptions regarding language and the Aryan origins. - [34:20] ❏ A common misconception that Indians have about America is the overly positive impression that America is some sort of paradise and a green card is a passport to enlightenment. - [43:03] ❏ To learn more about Iran or get the Iranian perspective on things, listen in on the podcast of the guests from Iran called "Ask An Iranian". Website - - [44:20] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
November 12, 2020
Dan Duggan Says What Needs Saying: Business During the COVID Pandemic, Characteristics of a Successful Person, Politics in Sports and More
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', our hosts feature CEO Dan Duggan. Dan offers insight into the business world in this pandemic as well as how Covid19 has affected the working environment in his company. He also discusses the sports franchise and its intertwined relationship with political issues that headline recent events in America. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Dan Duggan Says What Needs Saying ❏ Introducing today's guest, Dan Duggan, chairman, and CEO of Health-Mor, also the CEO of Flint City Bucks. - [00:53] ❏ How have things changed in this pandemic for you and your company? Dan describes that the pandemic has been a busy period for his company, making one of the best air filters in the world. - [02:00] ❏ Dan describes some of the protocols he has had to implement in this period and the impact it has had on the working mindset across the board within the company. - [05:44] ❏ Zack notes the current state of the financial market where while many are losing money with the plunge of the stock market, the richer keep getting richer. Dan points out that the rich get richer if they make the best use of the money they have, and this applies to everyone, also pointing out that you don't need the stock market to be successful in life as he didn't need it either. - [10:20] ❏ With the pandemic, can you still project where your company will be in 5 years? Dan explains that the company will continue to produce, understanding that clean air is always going to be an important aspect of healthy living. - [22:09] ❏ Addressing the idea of employees discussing salaries among themselves, Dan takes a standpoint of integrity, assuming that people talk and there is general knowledge of how much people make. Secondly, he encourages self-improvement and healthy competition to climb up the corporate ladder rather than indulging accusations focused on pointless comparison. Supporting this, the company has programs to help workers further their education especially when in line with the company interests. - [27:04] ❏ The journey so far to owning Flint City Bucks. Dan emphasizes the importance of commitment in any endeavor, noting that any serious business needs the commitment to thrive, or else it's just a hobby. - [32:20] ❏ Key attributes shared both by top athletes and top performers in the business world include Commitment, Consistency, and Hard Work. - [37:40] ❏ Discussing the recent intertwining of sports and politics as regards the support for the black lives matter entry, Dan shares his opinion being generally distanced from politics itself but encouraging support for justice. - [41:05] ❏ Dan shares that the future is in the hand of the younger generation. Unlike the much-rumored laziness of millenials, He encourages youths to talk less and act more to solve problems. To get the best air cleaner, visit - [46:02] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
November 2, 2020
Cultural Misunderstandings Part 1: A Discussion with Reds Ramblings about Language, Identity, Religion and More
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Brandon and Zack sit with Red from Red's Ramblings and discuss different common cultural misunderstandings based on presumptions and misinterpretations. With personal experiences and shared views on different aspects of different other cultures, they note ways to appreciate other cultures in general. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Part 1 Cultural Misunderstandings ❏ Introducing Red and the Red's Ramblings Podcast. - [01:22] ❏ What are the largest misunderstandings you've encountered in any of your interviews? Don't be shocked at how well people from other countries speak English. Also, Americans assume that people from a certain country speak a general language without finding out the different languages that exist in that country. - [03:07] ❏ Red shares how he has been on the receiving end of cultural misunderstanding when he tried reaching out to get a guest from New Zealand and immediately was asked about his political leanings. It is important to also note that being presumptive of a person's background based on their appearance is a form of cultural misunderstanding. - [11:10] ❏ After describing Language and place of origin, another point of cultural misunderstanding is Religion, the assumption that if you're from a certain place then you automatically share certain religious beliefs. An example of a negative stereotype was the impression against Muslims after the 9-11 incident. - [23:00] ❏ Discussing appearance, especially the aspect of hair regarding requirements made by the society that shows a disregard for certain natural appearances. - [32:12] ❏ While many aspects of certain cultures like music, food, and arts have spread to different parts of the world, noticeably they still retain the natural culture of the places they spread to, incorporated together. - [40:20] ❏ Check out Red's Ramblings Podcast on YouTube. He has a giveaway for a $50 gift card. - [45:02] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
November 1, 2020
Param Srikantia Says What Needs Saying: Confirmation Bias, Education, Spiritualism and More
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Brandon and Zack feature Dr. Param Srikantia to discuss concepts surrounding education and spiritualism. He expounds on different pitfalls of communication today and human interaction, as well as strategies for improving education, learning, and overall self-development. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Param Srikantia Says What Needs Saying: Confirmation Bias, Education, Spiritualism ❏ Introducing today's guest, Param Srikantia. - [00:44] ❏ Discussing Confirmation Bias; "The Chattering Monkey" and "Lenses of Bias". Also called 'Selective Perception', confirmation Bias is first described by highlighting the difference between Western and Eastern education. In the west, the purpose of education is to strengthen the mind, but in the east, the purpose of education is to move past the mind because the mind is seen to be a chattering monkey, always wandering, and constantly loud. Thus when we encounter discrepant information that challenges a preconceived idea, rather than work to rearrange your internal cognitive structure, it is easier to distort the fact. This explains why our inner voice is constantly creating alienation in our relationships. - [02:25] ❏ Citing an example using his 4 marriages, Param explains that we barely know people irrespective of how much time we spend together, especially since people don't know themselves. "When I wake up in the morning I remind myself that this person is a mystery to be embraced, not a problem to be solved". The stories that your chattering monkey has made up about the other person are just stories based on interpretation. - [07:50] ❏ We have to learn how to reject a person's views and attitude but respect the sacredness of them as a human being. If we can learn to embrace each other as a mystery rather than as a problem to be solved, relationships would be so much easier. - [11:25] ❏ Despite the leaps made in communication, where do you think there are lapses and how can we strengthen them? The root cause of the lapses is that humans process information with their minds, which is limited in its capacity to deal with complexity. The mind will always try to explain something new in terms of what it already knows, meaning you're always trying to bring the unfamiliar into harmony with the familiar. - [12:44] ❏ There is another level at which communication has to happen, that is the level of "being". Param describes 3 different scenarios where the interpretation of the action varies depending on the "being" of the person involved. - [16:01] ❏ One of the greatest problems in our society is that we value conviction, and look down on doubt. Relating this to the elections, most people want a president who has strong convictions, and they judge doubt to be a sign of weakness. This is a problem because doubt is necessary for new learning, but if the president is not expected to have doubts, then keeping up an appearance of conviction is more important than new learning. Inevitably, terrible mistakes will be made. - [21:15] ❏ Final thoughts from Param: "There is no one truth but truth relies upon where you stand" Understanding that each of us is unique helps to better respect and relate with other people. Param shares his best presentation ever, a 4-hour video titled "Why Life Sucks" on YouTube. He also recommends books, titled "Intimacy" by Osho and "Meditation for busy people" by Osho. His Email ( - [01:02:45]
October 27, 2020
Blue on Black: An Interview With Two Black Police Officers
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Two police officers are interviewed to share their perspectives concerning many of the current issues affecting the black community. Our hosts ask questions particular to events concerning police brutality and the experience in general with their jobs in these times. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Blue on Black, An Interview with 2 Black Police officers ❏ Introducing today's guests, 2 police officers, "Officer Ben' and Officer Delvon'. - [00:42] ❏ The officers share their opinions on the idea of Systemic Racism. Firstly, the training depends on the city, and it is pointed out that big cities offer better police training. This is because there is no national guideline for police training. To prove that an officer might be racist in their work, several statistics based on the officer's work record have to be combined and reviewed, and this is done by the FBI. Both officers agree that Systemic Racism does not exist in their opinion, however, Racism on an individual basis cannot be completely expelled. - [07:50] ❏ What part of police training should be carried out more on the federal level and what can be left to the state level? While there may not be much of a role for the federal government to play in terms of actual training, they can provide more funding for smaller states, and mandates or requirements for police officers from all states. - [17:00] ❏ Addressing the movement to defund the police and likely consequences, all first responders, as well as the community as a whole will suffer as they will be direct victims of this step. For example, the firefighters often request that the police first get to a scene and make sure it is safe, this combined with the usual police emergencies, means defunding will result in a severe shortage of officers to handle emergencies. Also, defunding will inevitably lead to a reduction in aspects of training that require the involvement of specialists in other fields, ultimately reducing the quality of the training as a whole. The issue with the reallocation of police funds is that whichever field these funds are sent to, ultimately cannot replace the police but are meant to be an adjunct to police intervention, and so reallocation of funds will still result in a police shortage even in the presence of the newly funded aspects. - [24:36] ❏ About the movements; 'Thin Blue Line', 'Back The Blue'. It firstly signifies respect to all those who have fallen in the line of duty. These organizations step in to assist the family in several ways after an officer is lost in action. A lot of officers also take it as pride in their work and in the service they provide. In a way, it serves as a retort in support of the police, to other movements that tend to attach a generalized negative label to cops. It is important to note, however, that while these negative labels seem predominant on social media, our officers point out that the reverse is the case in their day to day interactions with people where they get a lot of support. - [33:30] ❏ Semantic overload is a scenario that occurs when a word or phrase has more than one meaning, often leading to confusion. A typical case is the Black Lives Matter movement. - [47:35] ❏ What does being a police officer mean to you? Both officers share a sincere drive to help and to serve the community. It is important to take the effort to know your police officers and have conversations with them about these major issues. Officer Delvon introduces his podcast "Views from the Arch". Officer Ben encourages listeners to join the "Starfish assignment" that works with police officers to identify people who need help within the community. - [01:00:05]
October 19, 2020
Discussing Education, Trump, and More on "TheRabbitHole" Podcast
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Zack is on the "RabbitHole" podcast and he discusses his views on the elections and his personal preferences. Also addressed is the role of education in the ability of people to make rational political decisions and the major flaws in the current educational system. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Discussing Education Trump And More On The Rabbithole Podcast. ❏ Zack explains what Candidacy as a Ph.D. student is about. It is important to do better as far as identifying accurate sources, rather than just believing what you see in the media. - [01:56] ❏ Zack mostly identifies as a conservative with some libertarian leanings but is currently leaning towards voting for Trump. - [06:10] ❏ It's degrading to our system, when people vote based on the party and what they hope they will get, completely ignoring the character of the party representative. - [10:30] ❏ Noting Biden's response, it could be interpreted as an intention to defund the police especially considering the clamor for it based on recent events. However, it should be noted that a considerable proportion of the fault is from the actual training itself and better training requires more funds. - [12:40] ❏ Discussing the disparity between the media and reality, Zack notes that the narrative is questionable. While the media makes it seem like all black people do not want cops around, the majority of black people that were polled want either the same or higher police presence in their cities as it often leads to lower crime rates. This also applied to polls and voting where candidates like Trump or Hilary Clinton had major leads in the polls but in the end, lost by a clear margin. - [15:50] ❏ Often, issues that liberals want to solve, conservatives also want to solve but by different means. Zack believes that in most cases however less government involvement is needed rather than more. - [28:05] ❏ Unfortunately, the intellectual capacity of most people plays a role in how much they are influenced by the media, especially as it affects their ability to properly source credible information to guide their opinions. Concerning the educational system, there are varying degrees of flaws that make it impractical for this day and age. These are issues ranging from the problems with the school systems to the inadequate curriculum, followed by the pointless educational qualifications required by companies, that are unrelated to the jobs they offer. - [33:52] ❏ One key prediction if the educational system remains unchanged, is that businesses that lack the talent they need, will start making exceptions to the requirement of a bachelor's degree or sideline the bachelor's degree altogether. Admittedly, there are fields where the degree is paramount since there is no other way to acquire the necessary skills without in-person learning, but in many situations, the degree is not necessary. - [50:18] ❏ Debating the role of teaching in education as a whole, are teachers the fixed point for education or does it depend more on the student? Zack believes that for older students, it is usually a factor of their effort but for the younger ones, the work falls on both teachers and parents to instill an appreciation for learning itself. - [55:40] ❏ The decision of who to vote for is ultimately a factor of your values, this inevitably so determines what and how much you expect from your government. At that point, it simply becomes a question of whether or not the candidate can deliver on those points. Personally, Zack believes the sole function of the government is to protect your rights, and Trump is capable of doing just that. - [01:01:52]
October 16, 2020
The 2020 Presidential Debate - Trump vs. Biden: And the Winner is....Not America (Part Two)
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', a few more aspects of the First presidential debate in 2020 are addressed. This time the spotlight is on Racism and Violence, the Supreme Court, and the integrity of the election as a whole. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Part 2 The 2020 Presidential debate - Trump vs Biden ❏ The second group of questions was based on the Supreme court. Should Barret have been nominated? Should the Senate have confirmed the nomination? Should the courts be packed? Constitutionally speaking, it's the president's job to pick someone, and then it's the Senate's job to confirm or not confirm that person, also there isn't public say directly on who becomes the judge. - [00:24] ❏ There is obvious hypocrisy in the reactions to President Obama's nomination as against Trump's nomination in the same capacity. - [01:22] ❏ Joe Biden refused to openly deny that he would pack the courts. Notably, every time he was asked, he repeatedly intentionally did not answer the question. Zack suggests it is a sign that Biden would be open to the idea if it was put forward. - [05:56] ❏ Race and Violence in our cities: Both Trump and Biden have shown racist tendencies and as such neither can be completely distanced from it. However, Brandon explains that Biden has enacted systematic laws that impact more in a racist manner, even though Trump has shown the same more in his actions. Trump had inadvertently shown some support for white supremacists based on his poor response when questioned in the debate. - [10:50] ❏ Reviewing the transcript on Trump's comment on the "Very fine people in Charlottesville", Trump spoke out against racist actions, unlike his poor handling of that aspect of the debate which makes it seem like during the debate his hesitation was in a bid to avoid losing votes of white supremacists. Biden had also opposed desegregation in the past and made racist comments. The concern here is not that either of them is inherently strongly racist but that these actions or words could fuel such tendencies in people. - [16:04] ❏ Democrats seem to ignore left-wing extremism as regards violence, looting, and intimidation even when seen in the BLM protests, compared to the way white supremacy and right-wing extremism has been outrightly condemned. - [31:00] ❏ The integrity of the Election: Trump's Views on Mail-in Voting. Discussing his claims of massive fraud stemming from Mail-in Voting, factually speaking, there is no evidence of fraud, however, implications of Mail-in Voting should be addressed. The question is more of incompetence and the efficacy of the system rather than fraud. - [37:55] ❏ The take-home message from this debate is that Biden needs to more clearly spell out his policies and his stance on packing the courts. On the other hand, Trump and the GOP as a whole need to distance themselves from White supremacy and right-wing extremists. - [48:45] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
October 11, 2020
The 2020 Presidential Debate - Trump vs. Biden: And the Winner is....Not America (Part One)
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', the first 2020 presidential debate is discussed, with major talking points from the debate topics to the general demeanor of the aspirants. Also reviewed are the general reactions to the debate from both liberal and conservative perspectives. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Part 1 The 2020 Presidential debate - Trump vs Biden ❏ The performance of the aspirants at the first of the 2020 presidential debates is agreed by our hosts to have been quite appalling. Key points concerning this debate include general reactions, Trump and Biden records, The Supreme court, Covid19, the Economy, Race and Violence in cities, and The Integrity of the Elections. - [00:25] ❏ Highlighting the opinions following the debate, key differences are noted between the conservative and liberal sides. A major example is how the conservative side interpreted Trump's actions as an excessively aggressive strategy, while the liberal side just viewed them as a complete lack of decorum. - [03:56] ❏ Another difference of note was that Trump had more on his policies as his strong points while Biden focused more on the bad personality and attitude of Trump as a leader. Zack also notes that Biden dodged points relating specifics on policy. - [10:46] ❏ Trump's taxes: There has been no clear illegal conduct concerning Donald Trump's taxes, however, he did take advantage of certain loopholes in the tax laws. This has caused a lot of misunderstanding and controversy as his actions are shady but have been misconstrued as outrightly illegal. - [13:40] ❏ Will Trump's tax situation change your vote or not? Zack admits that the current situation would not sway his vote if he had already decided to vote for Trump. He believes that the morality of the president is less important than the policies created. - [20:10] ❏ Zack clears up a few of the allegations thrown by the candidates at each other: Biden blames Trump for the recession but this was inaccurate as there was a global recession caused by Covid19, not denying Trump did have a role to play in its impact based on his handling of it. Trump was also inaccurate saying Biden graduated last of his class, Biden graduated 76th out of 85 students in law school. Lastly, regarding the comment on Hunter Biden being dishonorably discharged for drugs, this was partially incorrect because Hunter was administratively discharged, although it was due to his failure of the drug test. - [33:30] ❏ Thoughts on the 'Space Force': Some believe it is not very useful at this time, while others believe that it is an inevitable destination and so should be planned for from now. - [39:15] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
October 11, 2020
Discussing Breonna Taylor: Legality, Morality, and Everything in Between
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', the Breonna Taylor murder is critically analyzed, revealing new facts about the incident of that night and the events leading up to it. Zack and Brandon shift the attention to the judicial aspect of the actions of the officers and explore the faulty legalities in the system that played a role. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Discussing Breonna Taylor ❏ Over 100 days after the shooting, the verdict came out that the officers involved would not be prosecuted which did not go down well with a lot of people. Brandon expresses his deep displeasure, knowing that if the colors were different, the outcome would be different. - [01:20] ❏ While unhappy with the situation, Zack shares that he is not surprised with the outcome, knowing that based on the legality of the situation, as previously discussed, the officers were not wrong. - [03:00] ❏ Common Misconceptions About the Case: The police knocked and announced their presence, before forcing an entry, unlike previously stated that the "No Knock" warrant was used. However, only one person confirms hearing them knock while over 11 other people cannot confirm or deny it. Secondly, it is now known that she was not killed in her sleep but awake and in the hallway. - [04:22] ❏ Reflecting on an act introduced to prohibit "No Knock" warrants, Brandon shares that the reason for the warrant is understandable but it may be doing more harm than good. Zack explains scenarios where such a warrant is more applicable like a sex trafficking ring, however, in this case, it was uncalled for and may reflect an overuse, which was a fault from the judge who gave it. - [06:05] ❏ Zack describes the events leading up to that night noting that there was justification for a search warrant. On December 30th Glover, her ex-boyfriend was arrested for guns and narcotics. On January 2nd, he got out of Taylor's car at one of the houses hit with a search warrant. On January 16th, he picked up a package at her house. On February 14th, Glover got towed and filed a complaint giving Breonna's number, after which she was one of 5 'No knock' warrants requested and then the raid happened. All this aside comments Glover had made to insinuate that Breonna Taylor was holding drug money for him. On the night of the incident, the police knocked and announced, got no response, and proceeded to break down the door, after which Walker shot at the door and hit one of the officers in the femoral artery, followed by the cops returning fire. - [14:40] ❏ About Breonna's law: It requires all officers who serve warrants to wear body cams and have them turned on from at least 5 minutes before the warrant is served to at least 5 minutes after. It should be noted that studies have shown that body cams do not have much of an impact on the behavior of police officers. - [42:39] ❏ Discussing statistics on police killings, numerically speaking more white people have been killed than black people each year by police. The narrative that has been pushed is that black people in America have an existential threat because of police, however, this is not necessarily the case. - [01:03:43] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
October 6, 2020
Tom Kuntzleman Says What Needs Saying: The Importance of Openness and Skepticism in Discussion
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Dr. Tom Kuntzleman discusses the importance of skepticism and openness in discussions and shares strategies for having productive conversations with opposing views both in scientific and non-scientific settings. SUBSCRIBE ON YOUTUBE HERE: Say What Needs Saying: Tom Kuntzleman Says What Needs Saying, ❏ Introducing today's guest, ' Dr. Tom Kuntzleman', professor of Chemistry and Dean of the school of natural sciences at Spring Arbor University. Zack narrates how they met after a talk by Tom on "Navigating Difficult Conversations" - [00:27] ❏ Tom explains 2 traits that are necessary for navigating difficult conversations, 'Skepticism' and 'Openness'. To do good science one should be open to all ideas, and this applies to other conversations as well, but it must be balanced with a healthy level of skepticism. The goal is to consider all ideas but to only accept ideas that best stand up to analysis. Also being Fair or Biased has a role or play in skepticism, so as not to be more skeptical to certain sides. - [01:24] ❏ The Scientist Superiority Complex: A phenomenon where scientists and other professionals assume intellectual superiority when dealing with non-experts, usually associated with overestimation of the credibility of research or bias towards a mindset. - [17:10] ❏ Tom suggests methods to avoid these biases, including treating honest questions like it's the first time hearing them, stating that you're not an expert, explaining how they can get you to change your mind, providing your sources, and giving insight on how to navigate through information online for credible sources. ❏ Do you believe that all information has value? While admitting to the concept of academic freedom which involves placing all ideas on the table, it is important to decide which ideas to give a platform. However, philosophically, the value that all ideas can be said to have lies mostly in the benefits of thinking and analysis for both merits and demerits of the idea, and not particularly in terms of the possible functional use of the idea. - [26:45] ❏ As scientists, we must utilize our education to help people around us understand and navigate this era of the pandemic. - [32:55] ❏ In applying concepts of openness, skepticism, and bias into general non-scientific conversations, expressing respect and civility in the discussion, plays a vital role in the productivity of the conversation. However, it is important to draw a line and know how to deal with trolls and consider ending the conversation. - [38:51]. ❏ Do you think that people are going to be worse at having these kinds of conversations, after the pandemic? - [49:45] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
September 30, 2020
Discussing Freedom of Speech and the Impact Social Media has on the Spread of Information on the "Reds Ramblings" Podcast
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Our hosts discuss with Reds Ramblings, issues relating to the role of the media in the dissemination of information. The main focus of the conversation being the misuse of such platforms, the ulterior motives behind such information, and possible solutions to the problem. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Discussing Freedom of Speech and the Impact Social media has on the spread of Information. ❏ Zack and Brandon introduce themselves, and Reds Ramblings introduces the topic: The problem with information on the media, especially when the focus is sensationalism rather than dissemination of verified news. - [00:35] ❏ The suggested solution of controlling the kind of information or more censorship of information on the media pulls up a need to legally differentiate between platforms and publishers. However, Zack suggests that an overhaul of the educational system to make the average reader smarter, is the most effective approach, outlining several limitations of trying to control the information on these platforms. - [07:28]v ❏ Reds Ramblings and Brandon agree the clear purpose of the media should be to only publish verified news rather than sensationalism and as such there should be some control over what is released on these platforms. However, Zack is concerned that the restriction of what is published as news debates the freedom of the Press and may do more harm by inadvertently constraining the ability to deliver urgent news if the occasion arises. - [18:00] ❏ Tom's magic wand recommendation for fixing these media issues: People should take a sort of test, and those who get below a certain score should not be allowed to voice their opinions on any platform. - [25:55] ❏ Zack shares his strategy for filtering information from the media, combining conservative sources with the more left-leaning sources. He explains that the misinformation by the media is an offshoot of the freedom of the press, noting that the more freedom you have, the more risk you have in that society. - [29:05] ❏ The 3 aspects of Brandon's method for deciding which news is worth getting knowledge about: What party is at hand and who can benefit from it? How morally bad is it? How does it affect me? - [33:00] ❏ If you had a magic wand, what would you do to have a better Educational system? Zack suggests that apart from the basic elementary subjects, a lot of the more core subjects should be left to specialization, while they should be replaced with financial classes, foreign languages, social skills, and real-life skills, as these are more practical in society. - [39:03] ❏ Brandon's recommendation includes early school, an advanced math course between 6th-7th grade because it helps critical thinking, and making the school year run all year long with shorter more frequent breaks rather than the summer break. However, it should be noted that critical thinking is not a factor of academic performance as many intelligent graduates exhibit poor thinking capacity in real-life situations. - [44:46] ❏ Reds Ramblings enquires about the motivation to create a podcast that was not particularly inclined to either of the career paths of Brandon or Zack. After meeting in undergraduate school, Zack and Brandon had realized they were able to have conversations and exchange opinions without fear, yet still find balance. This prompted Zack to start the podcast with Brandon, where other people could experience the same freedom to 'Say What Needs Saying' - [58:35] ❏ Thoughts on Elon Musk's Neuralink. - [01:06:10] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
September 23, 2020
Drug Use and Abuse - The Pandemic Within the Pandemic: Part 2
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', our guests continue the conversation, with some focus on the question of whether or not addiction is a disease. More importantly, the emphasis is placed on taking necessary steps to reduce the stigma and smoothen the process of finding help for people who need it. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Drug Use And Abuse (The Pandemic Within The Pandemic) Part 2 ❏ The episode is introduced with the importance of asking for help and dealing with the stigma and shame associated with seeking help. - [02:01] ❏ How can the dangers of drug use be effectively communicated across to people? It is not practical to wait for the government to fix everything as this is an issue of personal health, and a key component is getting rid of the stigma that prevents people from seeking help. - [05:28] ❏ The Brain Disease Model theory of Drug Abuse: This was a notion championed to combat stigma. Although there are changes in the brain with drug use that are reversible with recovery, the addiction itself does not necessarily go away completely. It is therefore suggested to be a neuro-sensitization starvation type appetite specific for drugs, and understanding this perspective replaces the stigma with sympathy. - [13:45] ❏ Zack believes addiction is a disease explaining that irrespective of the initial choice to use drugs, the consequent addiction objectively still needs treatment. Also, it is much harder to get people to ask for help when it is not seen as a disease. - [20:50] ❏ It is critical to not get distracted by the debate on whether or not addiction is a disease. Personally, the most important thing is to understand that you have an addiction and know what to do about it since the morality or immorality of the topic bears little consequence to the steps that need to be taken. For anyone who needs confidential help, please contact the SAMHSA National helpline number, 1800-662-4357. - [23:26] ❏ Bryce shares his travel agency website( ). His podcast - Travel Tuesdays for food advance. Phone Number(407-454-6336) - [36:02] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
September 19, 2020
Drug Use and Abuse - The Pandemic Within the Pandemic: Part 1
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', the progressive use of drugs and substance abuse is discussed as an offshoot of the lockdown following the Covid19 pandemic. The degree of the problem, possible short or long-term impacts, techniques for managing substance use, as well as tips to ensure a healthy state of mind in this pandemic are discussed. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Drug Use and Abuse (The Pandemic Within The Pandemic) ❏ Our guests introduce themselves, sharing their background and different reasons for their interests in this topic. - [01:05] ❏ Zack starts with the question "Why do you think that this aspect of the pandemic hasn't been discussed as much as the other aspects?". One of the suggested reasons is 'Political Motivation'. Bryce explains that the media does not want to detract from the message of staying at home, and as such intentionally avoids discussing its negative impacts. - [09:40] ❏ The CDC listed that 13.3% of the respondents in a survey had started or increased their substance use to cope with stress or emotions related to Covid19. This is related to Brandon's point where his perspective is one of drug use as a coping mechanism, an issue that is likely perceived by the media as small in comparison to the pandemic itself. - [10:34] ❏ Highlighting some of the impacts of drug use in this pandemic, Scott notes the worsening consequences of drug or substance use including the increase in domestic violence and child abuse, and a reduction in turnout at inpatient treatment programs on account of fear of Covid19. - [12:15] ❏ Surprisingly, the liquor industry does not seem to have been affected by the pandemic as sales have risen by 16%. - [18:03] ❏ Do you think this will be more of a short-term problem, as in a spike in usage that doesn't necessarily translate to a long-term increase in addictions? Drug use and abuse don't necessarily mean addiction, and most users can give it up, even hard drugs. Kent explains that while there is a likelihood of an increase in addictions, it may only be a small part of the consequences and mortalities associated with drug use. - [19:12] ❏ There is also the concern that in some cases, the lockdown has prevented some people from acquiring their usual drugs, and this has created room for experimentation with newer, possibly more dangerous ones. - [21:20] ❏ Identifying the triggers individually has a role to play because many drug users are trying to replace something missing in their lives, and the absence of that entity creates the trigger for drug use. If what is missing can be identified then healthier ways to replace it can be recommended. - [27:26] ❏ As regards essential businesses, while liquor stores or marijuana dispensaries may not seem like essential services, there is more of a problem with shutting them down than allowing them to run. This is because people will most likely find an alternative that may be illegal or dangerous. It is important to meet people where they are in this world-shifting period. - [33:25] ❏ Brandon shares that solitude is probably the most powerful temptation for recovering addicts in this time, our guests share some helpful techniques to deal with the temptation. One of them is exercise; just get moving. - [39:50] ❏ Discussing the impact of the pandemic on the rate of mental health issues, the CDC survey showed that 40.9% of respondents reported one adverse mental or behavioral health condition. A long-term mindset is more practical when addressing this issue, including measures to keep the mind and body healthy by asking for help, trying to connect online, and physical activity. To ask for help call Scott: 619-993-2738. - [43:40]
September 19, 2020
9/11 - Moving Forward: Sidebar
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', the events of September 11, 2001, are discussed, with the question of remembrance as the focus. Related views, outcomes, and similar events are analyzed to establish a balance that remembers the day while discouraging the ulterior motives that may pollute the memory. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: 9-11 - Moving Forward ❏ Zack describes the two sides to the impact of 9-11 on the US, the first being the togetherness it created standing against a common enemy, and the second being a budding mindset that was against the Islamic or Arabic population generally. - [02:48] ❏ Being in New York that day, Brandon describes the experience and the feeling he had, going through the rest of the day. - [04:35] ❏ Have there been negative effects of people coming together against a common enemy? Reflecting on some of the negative impacts of the 9-11 event aside from the actual destruction of lives and property. - [12:25] ❏ Some conspiracy theories regarding the event are reviewed, although grossly unsubstantiated, the theories themselves tend to be flawed. - [17:01] ❏ Comparing the handling of 9-11 by the president to other disasters including Covid19 by President Trump, the debate arises on whether it could have been handled better and the pitfalls of President Donald Trump's approach. - [20:05] ❏ Do you think we as Americans should just see the day and move forward? A balance needs to be struck between remembering the day in the togetherness it brought, and overly emphasizing, downplaying, or commercializing the events for completely unrelated benefits. - [31:05] ❏ Brandon shares his utter distaste for the movement 'All Buildings Matter', concerning the 9-11 event, likened to the 'All lives matter' retort to 'Black lives matter', describing it as a mockery of a memory that should be recognized. - [41:35] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
September 12, 2020
Discussion about Self-Love on the "LoveLockdown" Podcast
In this episode, Zack appears for a guest interview on the "LoveLockdown" Podcast, hosted by Tierra Anthony. Tierra asks Zack whether he practices self-love, and whether it's important. If you like this episode, be sure to check out Tierra's podcast for more similar content! If you'd like to hear more from Zack on "Say What Needs Saying", be sure to follow us on Instagram at, Twitter at, and Facebook at Thanks for listening!
September 12, 2020
Discussion about Black Lives Matter on the "In Search of Life" Podcast: Part 2
Following up to the previous episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Evert and Brandon review the mindset and beliefs held by a majority of the black population. They seek to proffer ways to move forward, without completely neglecting either the realities of the past or the current societal shortcomings that black people contend with. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Discussion About Black Lives ❏ How would you diagnose the situation the black community has been dealt with, and how you would want them to move forward? - [01:36] ❏ With past mistreatment constantly preying on the trust of black people, especially as they bear much semblance to the undertone of recent occurrences, there is always repression to integrate. An extreme view asks the question, was segregation doing more of a favor to the black community than integration? - [13:00] ❏ The problem isn't whether or not we have black people and white people living together, the problem is when a group of people, whether black or white, have a disastrous idea and feed the flames of that idea. - [15:07] ❏ Brandon describes the impact of a mindset that consistently wallows in past negative events. He admits that even personally, deciding to continually watch videos that depict police brutality can create a complex of fear of any official with a badge. - [16:38] ❏ How come America doesn't treat slavery the way Germany treats Adolph Hitler and World War 2? - [28:30] ❏ Brandon's advice to black people: "Your tears have never been more noticed until now, the rights of what's been wrong previously cannot be undone but will never go unnoticed, We need to move forward". - [31:13] ❏ Addressing comments that describe President Donald Trump as a racist. - [33:10] ❏ Evert recommends two major books: 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell, and 'The Gulag Archipelago' by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - [39:28] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
September 7, 2020
Discussion about Black Lives Matter on the "In Search of Life" Podcast: Part 1
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', our hosts delve deeper into events surrounding the Black Lives Matter movement, unveiling facts and perspectives that have been more obscured in the overlying pandemonium. They discuss the impact of the newly gained following of the movement involving many who are oblivious to other hidden agendas, which in some cases are extremist views or just completely unrelated to the supposed intent of the movement. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Discussion About Black Lives Matter ❏ Zack and Brandon introduce themselves and their views on the Black Lives Matter movement, and Zack explains that while he supports the concept that Black lives matter, he does not support the organization itself. Similarly, Brandon shares that he was initially a part of the origin of the movement, but the external forces that have infiltrated the movement have altered it causing him to withdraw his support for the movement. - [02:48] ❏ Reflecting on a previous episode where Brandon expressed that at the moment he is scared of dying, he sheds light on what he meant and why he said it. He plainly explains that when he gets pulled over by the police, his immediate fear is death, and in his head at that point, he plays events that have happened to other black people in similar situations. - [05:50] ❏ Zack shares a completely different feeling in such situations, noting no fear for his safety has ever crossed his mind. - [08:36] ❏ Expantiating on the difference between a racial bias and a bias based on the unfamiliarity of a setting. - [13:45] ❏ When you go about your daily life, how much do you feel afraid of losing your life, and how much do you think it is because of the news that you watch? [22:12] ❏ Depending on what news you read, you're probably better off reading no news. - [31:55] ❏ Discussing the George Floyd murder, and the horrible handling by the police being a possible fallout of flawed procedural training. - [32:55] ❏ As more light is shed on the Jacob Blake incident, Zack reveals that he was actually at that location wrongly and was causing trouble since the lady staying there had previously put a restraining order on him for repeatedly physically and sexually abusing her. Also of note are different points at which the police employed non-lethal methods to restrain him, all of which failed. - [54:20] ❏ Taking a different perspective into the Black Lives Matter movement as it relates to a Marxist organization, which shares the same name, the danger is that the organization can draw more support from those who come out to support the movement itself. - [01:01:30] ❏ Do you think the level of current racism is enough to keep going or do you think it needs to be overthrown like what the BLM organization is preaching? - [01:15:45] ❏ Communism refers to an economic structure where the means of production are commonly owned, not owned by the state or an elite social class, however, in actual practice it usually devolves into a situation where few individuals control both the means of production and the society as a whole, an authoritarian system. - [01:32:30] ❏ The discussion notes that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris continually donate funds for arrested rioters, protesters and looters to be released on bail, giving room for them to go back and continue the same actions. - [01:47:20] ❏ The flaw with the ideology to overthrow the system is that just because you have a bad system doesn't guarantee that when you replace it with a new system, the new system is going to be good. Hence a recommendation would be to examine the bad system, find the issues, and change those things rather than a completely radical approach. - [01:53:50]
September 7, 2020
Say What Needs Saying: Trailer
If you're tired of the ever-growing divide in society today and the complete inability to have a civil and open conversation, tune in to Say What Needs Saying. We discuss heated and touchy topics like politics, religion, money, culture and more. The art of true conversation and discussion is seemingly lost in a wash of fear and timidness. This is why we're here. Real, live discussion. All anonymous for those who really want to just Say What Needs Saying. We host live conversations with listeners and bring different viewpoints together to broaden perspectives and rekindle free thought and discussion. Listen to us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Join us, Zack and Brandon, and always Say What Needs Saying! Follow us on social media at,,, and, and be sure to leave us a 5 star review if you enjoy the show! Thanks for listening.
September 5, 2020
Violence in Kenosha - The Case of Kyle Rittenhouse: Part 2
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', the conversation continues on the murders by Kyle Rittenhouse, and this time the focus shifts to the different perspectives of his actions that day, as being either a hero or a terrorist. Our guests also discuss the protests in general that created the platform for such an event, and a comparison is made between the situation in question and a couple of other similar scenarios where the suspect was black, noting very pivotal points. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Violence In Kenosha (The Case Of Kyle Rittenhouse) Part 2 ❏ With reference to police training and the Jacob Blake scenario, the debate comes up about if the 7 shots were exactly unnecessary. - [00:50] ❏ Even though in numerous shootings, it appears that black people are not given the benefit of doubt, Zack emphasizes the importance of treating each case individually rather than broadly excusing the outcomes as racist actions. - [13:20] ❏ Agreeably, rioting, looting, and destruction of property as a part of any protest is an abysmal strategy for effecting change. - [17:33] ❏ There is the opinion that those who want the violent protests to be shut down because of the destruction of property are being inconsiderate of black lives, however, it may be better weighed if the destruction is assessed based on the impact it has on the livelihood of the property owners, in which case lives are also being destroyed. - [19:00] ❏ While many perceive owning a gun to protect yourself and your business as excessive, the aim is often to serve as a very strong deterrent, not necessarily to have to use it. - [21:10] ❏ Brandon shares that there are also cases where the looting is brought up intentionally to detract from the "Black Lives Matter" movement, sharing a comment, "To judge the black lives matter movement off of its most heinous participants is also to use people who use deadly force to judge the police department". - [25:03] ❏ The hero or the terrorist: How the contrasting perceptions of the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse widen the abyss between those who are already at odds regarding fates suffered by black people. - [26:41] ❏ It is easy to get Legality confused with the issue of right or wrong in some cases. With the killing of Breonna Taylor as an example, the "No Knock Warrant", if reformed would not have given license for such entry into the house, and the question of the shooting itself as right or wrong would then be more clearly addressed. - [30:20] ❏ The new platforms that the podcast is moving to, include YouTube and Discord where the conversations can continue. - [36:56] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
September 1, 2020
Violence in Kenosha - The Case of Kyle Rittenhouse: Part 1
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', a critical look at the killings by Kyle Rittenhouse is taken, as debates range between the cause and effect of his actions, to the other events surrounding the hapless occurrence. The guests also take turns in assessing the reaction of the police, scrutinizing the actions of the officers that day, as they identify aspects of the police force that need improvement. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Violence In Kenosha (The Case Of Kyle Rittenhouse) Part 1 ❏ The footage of the shooting is played back. - [01:27] ❏ Highlighting the charges against Kyle Rittenhouse: 2 counts of First Degree Murder, two charges of First Degree Recklessly Endangering safety with the use of a dangerous weapon), an Attempted First-Degree Intentional Homicide charge, and a charge of Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18. - [09:17] ❏ Examining the actions of Kyle Rittenhouse from a perspective of self-defense and the question of whether or not he would be tried as an adult. - [12:06] ❏ While one argument questions his motive for being in that place at that time, suggesting a possible intent to create the situation that would justify using his gun, another argument notes his statement that he was there as an EMT to help out. - [14:40] ❏ The stark contrast in the approach of the police to the perpetrator in this situation grossly differs from a similar scenario where Jacob Blake was shot 7 times. This sparks a debate of whether it is truly a case of the hypocrisy of the Kenosha police department being biased against blacks or just separate cases poorly handled by the police. - [29:35] ❏ Brandon notes that the shooting of Jacob Blake was a major occurrence that sparked unrest, to begin with, and this unrest gave room for the unfortunate events that ensued. - [30:24] ❏ Taking a look at the actions of the police at the scene brings many points of conversation, especially the seeming racial bias of the police in the way kyle was treated compared to past scenarios involving a black suspect. How was Kyle not seen as a threat even though he had a weapon in an active shooter situation? - [37:45] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
September 1, 2020
The #SaveTheChildren Movement, Pedophilia and Sex Trafficking
This episode of 'Say What Needs Saying' sheds light on a situation neither hidden nor discussed, but more often intentionally ignored. As they review matters of Sex trafficking, Pedophilia, and The #savethechildren movement, Our hosts engage perspectives from the audience, highlighting different aspects of the conundrum, and its related issues. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: The #SaveTheChildren movement, Sex trafficking, Pedophilia. ❏ Starting by noting that the movement originated after a response by Michelle Obama (the first lady) following an event where 300 black girls in Africa were kidnapped, Zack and Brandon share some basic background facts and statistics concerning the topic. - [00:43] ❏ 'Save the children' is an organization that has officially stated they had no affiliation with the movement, which is doing well at creating awareness and drawing attention to the problem at hand even though it has been hijacked by QAnon to garner support for their conspiracy theories. - [07:00] ❏ Brandon describes the problem created due to the distraction caused by hijacking the movement: Many of the organizations that should help out are now being overwhelmed by conspiracy reports which have been presumably linked to the core issues rather than the issues themselves. - [09:44] ❏ Not completely dismissing all conspiracy theories, however, Zack acknowledges that they also are pointers to many issues that need awareness and addressing but would hold more credibility if the sources could be verified to separate the facts from the made-up stories. - [10:20] ❏ Discussing the actions of the group QAnon, their credibility, and self-contradictory conspiracy theories - [17:34] ❏ How are you taking all the information surrounding the save the children movement? - [21:27] ❏ The majority of sex trafficking cases happen with close family or friends, and also in major cities in the United States - [26:31] ❏ With stories shared from the audience, our hosts buttress the point that some very extreme cases are intentionally left undiscussed by society because people would rather not believe these things could happen. - [28:44] ❏ The role of social media in this is not overlooked, citing examples like the show "Cuties" where 11years old are encouraged to dance and dress provocatively which may not be the direct cause of pedophilia, but is quite disturbing to an extent and questions the commitment to identifying and solving these issues. - [40:30] ❏ Why don't we ask kids more often, questions about the things they're experiencing? - [49:10] ❏ 'Allowing females to make up their minds for whatever they want to to do, that's the most feminist thing you can do'. - [50:00] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
August 25, 2020
Mask Use and Mandates in the Coronavirus Pandemic - American and International Perspectives
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Brandon and Zack examine mask use mandates in different locations within and outside the US. They discuss personal views from guests in these locations, with a particular focus on the anti-mask movement, unraveling various ideas and topics that may account for the unwillingness by many to use the facemask. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Mask Use And Mandates In The Coronavirus Pandemic ❏ Brandon engages guests from the US (Ohio), Nepal, and the UK, in sharing current mask mandates in their different areas, and their opinions regarding mask use as well as the mandating of it - [00:50] ❏ What negative effect does wearing the mask have, on a personal or constitutional rights basis? - [06:23] ❏ Discussing the opposition to mask-wearing, especially in America, our guests share various possible reasons for the opposition, ranging from a distrust of the scientific community and government to dissatisfaction with the process of enacting laws regarding the use of masks. - [09:11] ❏ What's your perspective on the politics interwoven with the medical aspect regarding the pandemic? - [38:06] ❏ While Hydroxychloroquine has successfully treated cases of Coronavirus infection, it is yet to be established as generally efficacious as a treatment, and It would be misleading for doctors to publicize it as any kind of cure. - [42:08] ❏ With over 50% of the American population expressing intentions to avoid getting the vaccine, even when available there will remain the question of how much impact the Covid-19 vaccine will have on the situation. - [43:08] ❏ Separating the movement against mask use itself, from the movement against mask use mandates, is critical. This is because there seem to be key perception differences between the two mindsets. While those opposing the mandates are more focused on the methods employed to enforce mask-use even though they don't discourage it, a different perception rather prevalent among those against mask use itself is that the mask offers no protection from the virus. It is believed to be a ploy for government control of the people, which sets precedence for further control in the future. - [46:05] ❏ Zack describes another mindset to consider, sharing that many people who are against mask use are misinformed, as they do not believe the experts, and are sincerely not convinced that they may be risking any lives by not using masks. - [52:00] ❏ Brandon also notes that the exhaustion following lockdowns and stringent rules all through the year has pushed some sets of people to act disruptively, rather than continue to adhere to the rules. - [54:43] ❏ The distrust of scientists and experts on some level is also born from a situation where science and academia have been politicized, raising questions on the motives of the scientists, as possibly being more political than medical. - [55:47] ❏ Discussing fear, confusion by the government, and other factors contributing to the denial surrounding the pandemic and the antagonistic approach to the use of facemasks. - [57:38] ❏ What would the outcome look like, particularly concerning compliance, assuming the Trump administration had effected precautionary measures as early as they should have? - [01:10:00] ❏ One of the guests invites you to listen in on his podcast, 'Honestly made podcast' - [01:15:44] ❏ Do you think the public perception around mask mandates and the general Coronavirus situation will change if Biden wins? - [01:17:44] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
August 18, 2020
George Floyd Body Cam Footage: Part 2
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', the review of the George Floyd murder continues. More issues consequential to, and surrounding the event are highlighted and discussed. Brandon and Zack take an in-depth look into the bigger picture from the perspective of governing systems as a whole, including the role of the police force, the law, and the government itself. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: George Floyd Bodycam Footage Part 2 ❏ It is important to note that even if training is increased, there will still be bad conduct by police officers, and this does not necessarily exclude those with good training. - [00:50] ❏ Another major problem with discipline in the police force is the ability to bypass disciplinary actions since officers can get rehired by another police district in a different location, as issues die down. - [01:45] ❏ Zack shares that while the charges brought against police officers in some cases are based solely on the gravity of the offense, in other cases there may be other guiding factors including political reasons, or even to protect the cop. - [03:16] ❏ Is there enough evidence to support that the murder, in this case, was pre-meditated, and hence deserving of a First Degree Murder charge? - [06:00] ❏ In considering the appropriate charges in situations like this, it is critical to find a balance to aptly charge the officer in a manner deserving of the offense, without risking a charge that cannot be substantiated and might let the officer completely evade punishment. - [07:30] ❏ Discussing the charges on the other 3 officers: Aiding and abetting 2nd Degree Murder. - [11:22] ❏ Qualified Immunity as a protective factor for police officers: Qualified immunity grants government officials performing discretionary function(their jobs) immunity from all civil suits unless the plaintiff shows that the official violated clearly established steps towards your constitutional rights of which a reasonable person would have known. - [17:15] ❏ Would you say that there should have been an amendment of National law by the Trump administration? - [23:01] ❏ While the outrage and attention drawn to the situation are good, the rioting, looting, and call to abolish the police, however, are not practical solutions. - [32:12] ❏ Brandon notes the daunting odds being faced by a population trying to effect change. - [34:00] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
August 15, 2020
George Floyd Body Cam Footage: Part 1
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Zack and Brandon review the footage of the events leading up to the murder of George Floyd. Discussing key issues that played a role in the eventual outcome, they share opinions on mental health intervention by the police as a practical approach in such situations, while addressing the issue of funding of the police force. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: George Floyd Bodycam Footage ❏ The bodycam footage of George Floyd is played back. - [01:40] ❏ Outlining and explaining the charges brought against Derek Chauvin (the police officer who killed George Floyd). 3rd Degree Murder (No intent to kill but an act eminently dangerous to others with a depraved mind and no regard for human life). Manslaughter (No intent to kill but an act eminently dangerous to others). 2nd Degree Murder (Intent to kill, an act eminently dangerous to others with a depraved mind and no regard for human life, or a murder in the act of another felony). - [10:49] ❏ It is established that all through the footage, at no point was a charge brought up. - [17:25] ❏ The role of a mental health intervention in that situation, as well as the question of funding for extensive mental health training of the police. - [17:41] ❏ Analysing the footage of the events leading up to the death of George Floyd. - [25:55] ❏ While the concept of defunding the police force is suggested as one of the possible solutions, it may be better described as a reallocation of police funds. - [35:10] ❏ Zack explains the importance of continued training even after joining the police force, while Brandon admits that the reception of such training by older officers is another issue entirely. - [38:43] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
August 11, 2020
Freedom of Religion and the Courts: Part 2
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Zack and Brandon expound on issues related to the constitution and governing system in the US. Of note is the process of the constitution amendment in adjusting very old laws into practical formats for this day and age. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Part 2 Freedom of Religion and the courts ❏ While Brandon expresses his dissatisfaction with the use of precedents from over 100years ago, as the mindset at that time wasn't practical for this day and age, Zack believes certain precedents are timeless. - [00:47] ❏ Zack also notes that the acceptance of some precedents as timeless does not take away his belief in the constitutional amendment process to adjust for current times and logic. - [06:20] ❏ Discussing the Portland protests, the argument debates whether or not the federal government was justified to step in at the time it did. - [08:22] ❏ Our hosts explore different options available for constitutional amendment based on comments from the audience, considering the possibility of intentional gridlocks in the current process, and sharing reasons why some options may be more practical than others. - [10:56] ❏ As an alternative to the straight public vote which obtains today, the system of "Ranked Choice Voting, allows voters to rank their choices rather than just pick one. This means votes can be passed down the rank if the first choice does not win - [17:50] ❏ The court case between the Little Sisters of the Poor Saints Peter and Paul Home and Pennsylvania: The case is related to birth control provided through ACA, which was approved by HRSA as part of Preventative Care and Screening for Women. This was frowned upon by religious entities, saying it was against their freedom of religion and beliefs, and as such requested an exemption from that form of healthcare. - [25:39] ❏ Zack notes that since the Bible does not objectively disagree with birth control, there is dissent to the religious backing for discouraging it, highlighting the instances in the Bible that are used for such backing and the possible misinterpretation causing the dissent. The first instance is the part where God commands his people to be fruitful and multiply, the second being Onan who was killed by God for "spilling his seed". - [28:13] ❏ A key point of weakness of the argument against birth control drugs is seen in cases where drugs have more than one use, such that while it functions as a birth control pill, it is used to address other medical ailments. - [39:10] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
August 1, 2020
Freedom of Religion and the Courts: Part 1
In this episode, we discuss 3 recent Supreme Court decisions that impact the freedom of religion, and the implications of the precedents that they set. We also have some phenomenal conversation with our listeners, and cover topics ranging from gun rights to coronavirus to fascism/authoritarianism. Conversations like these are why we are doing this podcast, so if you'd like to be a part of the next one, like us on Facebook at or follow us on Twitter at and stay tuned for updates on when our next live conversation will be. These issues are all important and we want you to keep saying what needs saying with us along the way!
July 28, 2020
Black Lives Matter: Sidebar
In today's episode of Say What Needs Saying, the focus is the movement "Black Lives Matter". Key aspects of the movement are discussed as well as tangential issues that play a role either as a root cause or a fallout of the movement. Brandon and Zack also shed light on the differing perspectives regarding problems that surround the movement, and how these can constitute an obstacle to the implementation of solutions. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: Say What Needs Saying: Black Lives Matter ❏ What comes to mind when you hear the phrase "Black Lives Matter"? - [03:43] ❏ Zack explains that while most people engage in activities to show support for the movement, many do not understand exactly what the movement is about. - [06:20] ❏ Brandon notes the major disadvantage of not having a leader for the movement, being the limited capacity to effect practical changes. - [07:40] ❏ The movement is being hijacked as a Trojan horse for leftist policies and complete dismantling of the system. - [15:00] ❏ Discussing the concept of black on black crime: It is critical to understand that black on black crime is not specific to black people as a whole, as it is not a factor of being inherently black, but is mostly a feature of an impoverished socioeconomic status which is seen among both blacks and whites. - [20:07] ❏ The 2-pronged approach solution: Non-black populations need to address their preconceived notions which are based mostly on particularly negative events occurring within black communities. The second aspect of this approach involves a cultural shift especially in the aspects that propagate the negative occurrences that foster those preconceived notions. - [26:11] ❏ The subtle racism of low expectations: Policies that encourage giving handouts to the black community inadvertently create a situation where these communities become perpetually dependent and conditioned to continually need the handouts to be successful. - [28:00] ❏ Zack and Brandon critically discuss music generally in relation to black culture, and how that has played out in both older and more recent events that depict the shortcomings in this culture. - [31:10] ❏ They round off the episode by noting that the methods by which these problems are defined and addressed are still a key point of difference, irrespective of the fact that most people admit these problems exist. - [48:02] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
July 24, 2020
Discussing Discussion
In this episode of 'Say What Needs Saying', Zack and Brandon introduce this podcast, describing the goal as an intention to address topics generally left undiscussed by society. Broadly classifying these topics under Money, Religion, and Politics, our hosts engage the audience, analyzing different reasons why most people might be averse to such discussions. All of this is discussed while relating to current events and ideas. Listen in on this riveting conversation and be enlightened by the depth of insight that will broaden your perspective. FOLLOW US ON YOUTUBE: 'Say What Needs Saying'; Discussing Discussion ❏ Zack and Brandon share the goal of the podcast: Discussing topics often deemed impolite and avoided by most people, categorizing them into the 'Big Three' which are Religion, Politics, and Money. - [00:45] ❏ Generally, reasons why topics under any of these categories are not usually discussed, include avoiding discord, shame in personal views, and fear of other people's views. - [02:50] ❏ Regarding money particularly, the tendency for it to be reserved as a rather intimate topic, and the perception that it determines the worth of a person especially in America are also key reasons the topic is often avoided. - [17:40] ❏ The concepts of 'Cognitive Dissonance' and 'Confirmation Bias' need to be understood, as such mindsets should be avoided when discussing touchy subjects. - [21:23] ❏ Cognitive Dissonance refers to a situation where you already have strongly held beliefs that underlie major aspects of your life, and hearing opposing opinions results in a defensive reaction where you fight back to solidify your views, but ultimately stagnate the conversation. - [21:51] ❏ Confirmation Bias involves the use of events or evidence to solidify our preexisting beliefs, such that these beliefs are now ingrained in our minds as the singular cause of those events, limiting openness to other possible reasons, and consequently retarding the discussion. - [22:46] ❏ Where and how do we start to hold back on our beliefs, whether it's Politics, Money, or Religion? - [26:18] ❏ Politics seems to be more of a problem in discussions as it could reveal big differences in underlying values. - [36:18] ❏ Discussing current politics and sharing opinions on different standpoints taken by people regarding the elections. - [51:08] ❏ How does continually talking about these things change some of these issues? - [01:07:46] FOLLOW US ON FACEBOOK:
July 20, 2020