Five four two and the Blue

Five four two and the Blue

By Scott Lunsford
Five four two and the Blue Podcast. Discussions of law enforcement history, issues and incidents in the Appalachian Mountains and beyond.. Hosted by Scott Lunsford, retired police detective sergeant, author and researcher.
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Episode 3-2 Justice denied and justice delivered.
Episode 3-2   Justice denied and justice delivered.    The Killing of an Asheville North Carolina police officer in 1911.
20:51
March 29, 2020
Episode 3-1 The Satanic Panic - Dungeon and Dragons and murder.
Episode 3-1 The Satanic Panic - Dungeon and Dragons and murder.    In the late 80’s  a phenomenon know as the Satanic Panic characterized by  a fear about the presence of Satanic ritual abuse in one's community, state or country showed up in many cities and communities.   Today's Shade of Blue is about the game that allegedly led to the Murder of a step father over a two million dollar inheritance. 
23:08
March 21, 2020
Bonus 3 #6 Wyatt Outlaw
Bonus 3 #6  Wyatt Outlaw Today's shade of blue story is about one of the First African American  Law enforcement Officers in the state of North Carolina.    Mr. Wyatt Outlaw.
08:43
March 14, 2020
Bonus 5 Redhead Murder and a Nazi Found and removed.
Bonus 5  Redhead Murder and Nazi Found and removed.  Serial killer 1983 to 1985 and A monster  found hiding in the United States. Federal Court orders him to be removed from the U.S.
20:50
March 8, 2020
Bonus 3 #4
Bonus season 3 #4 The killing of the father in law. A short look at a domestic incident that went wrong.
10:27
March 1, 2020
Bonus 3 #3 Two N.C. Cold Cases
Bonus 3  #3  Two N.C. Cold Cases As time passes  felonious minds have been attempting to get better at getting away with murder. According to the F  B  I. Uniform Crime Reports.  In 2016.  nearly 40 percent of murder and non-negligent manslaughter cases went uncleared, This can cause grief for victims’ families and frustration for investigators.  some of whom retire without being able to say question . Who did it in reference to a citizen’s violent demise that happened on their watch. It seems with the popularity of true crime Television. Books. Movies. And podcasts just like this one.  For the general public, unsolved deaths are a ceaseless source of mystery and fascination.   Apparently its true. every one loves a mystery. Scottlunsfordauthor.com https://anchor.fm/scott-lunsford
07:58
February 23, 2020
bonus -A killing among friends
bonus -A killing among friends Today’s shade of blue bonus story, for five for two and the blue is a bonus episode to hold over till season three starts on the third Saturday of March.   Today is a brief look at an incident and court case in Madison County North Carolina. November 1962.
04:41
February 16, 2020
Episode -S2-25 Wrongfully convicted - Illegally executed by South Carolina
Episode -S2-25   Wrongfully convicted - Illegally executed by South Carolina Paxvill south Carolina Calvary Baptist Church Cemetery There is a large dark tomb stone to be found here.  The stone reads,October twenty first 1929  - June 16 1944. Wrongfully convicted    Illegally executed by South Carolina. A shade of blue  discussion on George Stinney. Junior’s fourteen year life and why it was so short Learn more at the Five Four Two and the Blue Podcast on line free on 2-8-2020 scottlunsfordauthor.com anchor.fm/scott-lunsford.com or your favorite Pod Cast App.
15:28
February 9, 2020
Episode -S2-24 Juvenile death penalties.
Episode -S2-24  Juvenile death penalties.  Juvenile death penalties.   How young is two young to be executed for you crimes? Learn more at the Five Four Two and the Blue Podcast on line free on 1-25-2020 scottlunsfordauthor.com anchor.fm/scott-lunsford.com or your favorite Pod Cast App.
23:18
February 2, 2020
Episode -S2-23“Five O”
Episode -S2-23“Five O” Stories from a Police agency  not in the Appalachian mountains yet still associated with mountains non the less. Sharp mountains created by volcanic action  much more recently than our Appalachian mountains. During a visit to the state of Hawaii. I was curious how law enforcement was done in paradise and looked for some Hawaii shade of blue stories. Learn more at the Five Four Two and the Blue Podcast on line free on 1-25-2020  scottlunsfordauthor.com anchor.fm/scott-lunsford.com or your favorite Pod Cast App.
27:16
January 26, 2020
Episode -S2-22 The Atlanta Ripper of 1911
Episode -S2-22 The Atlanta Ripper of 1911 Most know of Jack the Ripper of London, Son of Sam, and Ted Bundy. But many are not aware of the terror of the so called “Atlanta Ripper” who started his notoriety in 1911 in the City of Atlanta. Seventy years later, the notion of a serial killer once again captured the city's imagination, when more than 20 young African American males were found murdered. Wayne Williams is now serving a life sentence after being convicted for two of the murders. His conviction came in an Atlanta that had changed drastically since the Ripper murders of 1911 and 1912.  Although even today, 20 years after Williams' conviction, some doubts linger that he was the true serial killer or one of several killers. Learn more at the Five Four Two and the Blue Podcast on line free on 1-18-2020 anchor.fm/scott-lunsford.com or your favorite Pod Cast App. scottlunsfordauthor.com
29:48
January 19, 2020
Episode -S2-21- Violence and school shootings
Episode -S2-21-  Violence and school shootings  Violence and shootings at schools is not a new phonomina.  The incidents in American go back to the 1800s.  An issue that should concern us greatly is that 70% of the perpetrators of school shootings were under the age of 18, with the median age of 16.    Five four two and the Blue Episode S-2-21 is a discussion of some of the School Shooting Encounters and the results of these incidents. anchor.fm/scott-lunsford.com or your favorite Pod Cast App. ON line 1-11-2020 scottlunsfordauthor.com
31:25
January 12, 2020
Episode -S2 - 20 A look at the first court cases in Buncombe County North Carolina.
Episode -S2 - 20 A look at the first court cases in Buncombe County North Carolina. A Shade of Blue look at the first court cases in Buncombe County North Carolina. The crimes and the punishments.  The results of trials and how they affected others.  Scottlunsfordauthor.com
25:51
January 5, 2020
Episode -S2 19 Shootout at the Ironton jail
Episode -S2 18  Shootout at the Ironton jail Pulp detective magazines and the stories they have run have documented incidents in the Appalachian Mountains going back to the 40’s .  True Detective Mysteries in the article The shootout at the Ironton jail. Wrote about the former World war II Veteran who became Chief of police of his home town.   He survived  the battle of Iwo Jima and other island hopping battles in the Pacific.  To  loose  his life protecting his town. Reviewing court records, newspapers and family interviews tells more of this Shade of Blue Story.  Scottlunsfordauthor.com
17:25
December 29, 2019
Episode S2- 18. The Thorny Rose- Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch connection to Tnn.
Episode S2- 18. The Thorny Rose- Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch connection to Tnn. Laura Bullion was  a member of Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch.  At 15 she was romantically involved with the outlaw Ben Kilpatrick ("The Tall Texan"), bank and train robber.   Nicknamed "The Thorny Rose". Her story started in the Wild West and ends as one of our Shade of Blue stories in Appalachia.  Scottlunsfordauthor.com 
18:14
December 22, 2019
Eposides S 2-17 Repeat offenders and killers.
Episode S 2-17 Repeat offenders and killers. This Shade of Blue Story, for Five Four Two and the Blue, starts in Asheville North Carolina in the mid 1970s. Two Asheville Police officers on patrol locate a body in the snow. Addiction, Murder, and more drugs. It ends years later in Virginia Beach Virginia. A second shade of Blue, tells the story of a repeat offender from 1910. A murder that impacts on the Gov. of North Carolina, but also ends in Virginia.  A demonstration of how things can be connected through time. Scottlunsfordauthor.com anchor.fm/scott-lunsford
19:16
December 15, 2019
Episode S 2-16, The Unitarian Universalist Church Shooting at youth play
Episode S 2-16,  The Unitarian Universalist Church Shooting at youth play Sometimes when a major crime occurs its not a who done it situation. At times offenders get caught or stopped in the act. There are also times when the suspect admits to the crime, tells you why they did it and how.  This does not make investigations any easier. Leads still have to be followed. Such is the case of the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist Church Shooting at a youth production of Annie.  Who did it and why?   Listen to learn. Online 12-7-19 @ 7pm  Scottlunsfordauthor.com
18:53
December 8, 2019
Episode S 2-15, Outlaw Whiskey
Episode S 2-15, Outlaw Whiskey Moonshine, "clear, un-aged whiskey”. The Devils Drink?  At one time used as currency,  taxed, protested about, the cause of rebellions, fought for and murdered because of.  Did Moonshine once come to the rescue of the Asheville Police Department?  Listen and decide.  Five Four Two and the Blue looks at the history and stories of “That Good Ole Mountain Dew. With music by Outlaw Whiskey and there new single Outlaw Whiskey and Guns. scottlunsfordauthor.com  On line 11-30-1 @ 7pm
32:33
December 1, 2019
Episode S 2-14, A 1982 medieval murder with Satanic connections in Kentucky
Episode S 2-14, A 1982 medieval murder with Satanic connections in Kentucky The day after Halloween, 1982. Twenty-two-year-old Carol Frances Mudd went to work at the Stone Castle Museum in Bardstown, Kentucky.  A Small museum of miniature toy soldiers, antique weapons and related retail items.   Nothing unusual at all about her work day, but her work day came to a tragic end before it started.  At the end at the point of a broad sword. Scottlunsfordauthor.com
26:43
November 24, 2019
Episode S2- 13. The Civilian and War Crimes of Champ Ferguson
Episode S2- 13.  The Civilian and War Crimes of Champ Ferguson Thought of by many as a criminal before the civil war he was best know as a notorious Confederate guerrilla leader.   Accused of many cold-blooded murderers and war crimes, he was thought of as a thief, robber, boot legger, con man and counterfeiter before the Civil War begun.  He personally claimed to have killed over 100 Union soldiers and pro-Union civilians during the war.    Champ Ferguson is one of only two men to be tried, and convicted, for war crimes during the United States Civil War
31:30
November 17, 2019
Episode S2- 12 The Bunch Gang and the murder of Sheriff Lewis Bratch (L.B.) Hutcheson.
Episode S2- 12 The Bunch Gang and the murder of Sheriff Lewis Bratch (L.B.) Hutcheson.   A shade of blue story about Sheriff Lewis Bratch (L.B.) Hutcheson.  Of Union Co. Tenn. His death in 1935 at the hands of a far reaching criminal gang and how his wife carried on after his death.  Many have heard of the Dalton Gang. The James brothers, the Wild bunch and  Bonnie and Clyde  but few recall the notorious Bunch gang of Tennessee, and the crimes  of robbery and violence they committed during the 1930’s in the Appalachian mountains. Scottlunsfordauthor.com
24:10
November 10, 2019
Episode S2-11- Tragic 911 call and the Story of Lucky Joe. A two part Episode.
Episode s2-11-  Tragic 911 call and the Story of Lucky Joe.  A two part Episode. A 911 call starts a shade of blue story. A young man calls for help because of his actions. County First responders in the small town of Pilot North Carolina arrived to a shocking, almost unbelievable crime scene.  What did the Deputy see and do, and what was the outcome of this sad and tragic incident. Listen to the episode to learn.  Part two. Luck Joe. Just how man lives did lucky Joe have ?  And how did he use them to get what he wanted? scottlunsfordauthor.com
22:02
November 2, 2019
Episode S2-10- The worst woman on Earth?
Episode S2-10- The worst woman on Earth?  When Lizzie Halliday died in 1918, the New York Times called her “the worst woman on Earth.” That pretty harsh you have to admit.  True or not that's kind of up to personal opinion. Listen to Lizzie’s story and decide for your self. Was  she the worst woman on the planet.  Perhaps you have your own nomination. scottlunsfordauthor.com
16:22
October 26, 2019
Episode s2-9- The Pennsylvania Turnpike Phantom of 1953
Episode s2-9- The Pennsylvania Turnpike Phantom of 1953. On the night of July 25. Lester Woodward, a 30 year old freight driver did what freight drivers have been doing for 1000s of years. He got tired and pulled his vehicle over to get some sleep. Hauling freight is an old profession. The methods of doing it have evolved but its still a matter of moving goods from one place to another. Lester had no reason to think it would be a problem, he had been doing it for years.  Unfortunately Lester never woke up. He was shot once. With .32 caliber pistol. The bullet going straight into his brain. This was the first attack of the murder named the Turnpike Phantom. There would be more death and violence before the Phantom was identified and stopped.  Could this happen again or has it already?  Listen and decide for your self. On line and free to listen to. Published 10-19-19 at 7:00 pm scottlunsfordauthor.com https://anchor.fm/scott-lunsford
19:21
October 19, 2019
Episode s2-8- 100 sticks of Dynamite and the murder of 3 little girls. 1937
Episode s2-8- 100 sticks of Dynamite and the murder of 3 little girls. 1937 A  mother readies her three daughters for bed, but feels something is not right.  Its an  ominous feeling of protection, A feeling that something was wrong. She tries to purposefully keep the girls up later than normal because of those feelings. Once the children couldn’t stay awake any longer, they all go to bed. She spends the rest of the restless night tossing and turning. Just after 3:00 in the morning, shes awoken to an unimaginable roar. She fights back the blackness long enough to hear one of her daughter’s scream and see plaster and dust falling.   She blacks out as her home implodes around her. At first its thought of as a tragic accident. Then a famous arson investigator from the 1930s is given the responsibility by the Governor of Tnn to solve the mystery but only 48 hours to do it. What did he discover and why?  Listen to the Podcast to find out.   A story from the “good old days” that's shocking enough to be from today news media. On line and free to listen to.  Published 10-12-2019 at 7:00 pm
26:37
October 12, 2019
Episode S2-7- A 15 day snow storm, domestic violence, & national attention to a small town in Mtns. of N.C.
Episode S2-7- A 15 day snow storm, domestic violence, & national attention to a small town in Mtns. of N.C. A fifteen-day severe weather snow storm struck the east coast in1881.   It became the prequel to a fatal domestic violence incident in McDowell Co. North Carolina. The resulting murder gained national attention and was highlighted in the nationally published magazine the POLICE GAZETTE.  The media documentation quite different than the official records.  Part two is another domestic incident but from a different direction.  Yet just as unfortunate. On line on 10-05-19 at 7:00 PM
18:06
October 5, 2019
Episode S2-6- The Doctor did it.
Episode S2-6-  The Doctor did it. The Shade of Blue Story of the Doctor from New Jersey charged with a federal mail robbery in Asheville NC.  His luck to escape justice lasted many years but Karma finally caught up with the  “Good Doctor”.  The story of his luck and how he almost fooled the FBI, and why he is still referenced in the FBI academy for his surgical skills.
22:00
September 28, 2019
Episode S2- 5- A murder solved but still not closed. 1936
Episode S2- 5-  A murder solved but still not closed. 1936  In the 1930’s, a senseless homicide took place on the campus of Berea College, A school known as an institution of higher learning and its advocacy of the work ethic. Providing educational opportunities for the young people of  Appalachia.  A murder from the 1930s that you would not be surprised to see on today's  evening news. And you might have.  A 1936  murder, solved but still not closed. 
17:37
September 21, 2019
Episode Bonus 3- Police Chiefs coming and going.
Episode Bonus # 3-  Police Chiefs coming and going.   Chiefs and heads of law enforcement have been resigning for as long as there has been law enforcement. Is recent coverage in the media different than any other time. Is there more to the story. Listen and decide for your self. Scottlunsfordauthor.com https://anchor.fm/scott-lunsford
36:34
September 21, 2019
Episode S2- 4- The Buncombe County Smith Cold Case
Episode S2- 4- The Buncombe County Smith Cold Case Scheduled for September 14, 2019 at 7:00 PM 1997,  A man and his son are looking for deer tracks in North Carolina's Pisgah National Forest. Instead of deer sign they came across human bones, clothing, and other items scattered in the woods near a primitive campsite.   The remains, were centered around a shallow grave. The grave of a murdered woman.   Investigation found the body to be of a Pennsylvania  missing person, Judy Smith.  Today the murder investigation has never been solved. Was the killing the act of a serial killer or is the answer more simple. Listen and make your own decision.   Scottlunsfordauthor.com
21:31
September 14, 2019
Episode S2-3- The Murder of 3 year old Lillian Patrick
Episode S2-3-  The Murder of 3 year old Lillian Patrick Three year old Lillian Patrick's step father John Gibson, lived with his eighteen-year-old wife; her three-year old daughter from a previous marriage Lillian. Gibson's 16 year old brother Henry .   In late November 1900, an anonymous person informed the city health Inspector-Doctor that the Gibson stepdaughter was suffering from smallpox. When the Dr. went to the Gibson house to investigate, he found the three year old dying, but not of smallpox. Instead of a contagious disease a fatal case of sever child abuse was located. This Shade of blue is about the investigation, manhunt and trial of a child killer. Episode to air Saturday 9-24-19 at 7:00 pm
22:04
September 7, 2019
Episode s2-2- 160 years ago a Congressman shot & killed the son of Francis Scott Key near the white house and witnesses
Episode s2-2- 160 years ago a Congressman shot & killed the son of Francis Scott Key near the white house and witnesses In April of 1859, New York Congressman Daniel Sickles became the first person in history to ever be acquitted of a crime due to temporary insanity. The crime in this case was the  murder of Philip Barton Key II, the son of Francis Scott Key, author of “The Star-Spangled Banner,” the national anthem of the United States. Sickles approached Key in DC’s Lafayette Square — a short distance from the White House –and shot him in the groin. “You villain, you have dishonored my house, and you must die!” Sickles reportedly said. He shot Key again in the chest and would have shot him directly in the head had the gun not misfired. On line 8-13-2019 at 7:00 pm
28:15
August 31, 2019
Episode S2-1- What do you do with a Six year old Murder?
   Episode S2-1-  What do you do with a Six year old Murder?    1929 A few Months before stock market crash and the time in our history know as the Great Depression. In the steep hills of  eastern Kentucky on May 18, two young boys got into a argument over the ownership of a simple piece of scrap Iron.    Usually the two got along well and would play together.  Losing the fight over the hunk of iron the younger of the two went home, located a firearm and purposely shot his friend.  The incident and court case gained nationwide  attention.  It all came down to one question.  What do you do with a Six year old Murder? To be aired Aug. 24, 2019 7:00 pm scottlunsfordauthor.com
18:00
August 24, 2019
Episode Bonus - 2- More Appalachian trail murder mysteries.
Episode Bonus - 2- More Appalachian trail murder mysteries. Schedule for 8/17/19 at 7:00 PM A Bonus edition of Five  Four Two and the Blue More Appalachian trail murder mysteries. As Scott related in podcast Episode eight .   Murder and attempted Murder on the Appalachian Trail.    The Trail is mostly a quiet, serene, and blissful place.  Many go there to escape the pressure of modern urban society.   A devise collection of people can be found hiking on the trail. But like the society that  many hike get away from.  There are still individuals with evil intents.
07:21
August 17, 2019
Episode Bonus - 1- A Serial killer and murdering politicians
Episode Bonus - 1- A Serial killer and murdering politicians   Political corruption is a common thread that runs throughout the history of mankind.   As is just regular old fashioned murder.  It runs from the jaw bone of an ass to the voting both. We look at Serial Killer Little and the murdering Lt. Governor who killed a rival in broad daylight on the street in front of a police officer.  Find out what happened and what is still happening in this Shade of Blue Podcast.  on line 8-10-2019 8:00 pm
12:13
August 10, 2019
Episode -25- California Cold case that ended in a small town in Western North Carolina. Part 2: Moonshine!
The California Cold case that ended in a small town in Western North Carolina. Part 2: Moonshine! Today’s shade of blue story,  is a 1985 story that starts all the way across the country to the west coast. The land of make be-leave and stories. But the story begins its ending here, in the mountains of Appalachia.  If you grew up in the 70’s and 80’s the victim’s name might not be familiar, but his large body of work will be. His work in the TV industry influenced many. Part two: A quick look at part of the Moonshine business in the Appalachian Mountains. ScottLunsfordauthor.com
21:40
August 3, 2019
Episode -24- Jane Doe of the Mountain. Identification of a 50 year old cold case murder Victim.
Episode -24- Jane Doe of the Mountain. Identification of a 50 year  old cold case murder Victim. Jane Doe of the Mountain. If you took  a short walk through a wooded area on a hill overlooking the city of Harlan Kentucky in the 1970s or 80s  you would find a grave marker that simply said, “Unidentified Girl Burial, June 5th, 1969”.  This was the resting place of Jane Doe of the Mountain. Found murdered on a mountain in Kentucky. For almost 50 years her identity remained a mystery. This shade of blue discuses how that changed https://anchor.fm/scott-lunsford scottlunsfordauthor.com
17:57
July 27, 2019
Episode -23- The Ballad of Poor Ellen Smith and the truth behind the song.
Episode-23-   The Ballad of Poor Ellen Smith and the truth behind the song. This episode starts with The Ballad of Poor Ellen Smith.  The morning of July 21, 1892, the body of Ellen Smith was found behind the Zinzendorf Hotel in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. Shot through the heart. The story of Ellen Smith’s murder is a classic tale of seduction and betrayal. A beautiful but innocent young woman strays from the path of righteousness for a faithless shifty older lover who  becomes her killer. It is the stuff of many Victorian cautionary tales and mountain murder ballads. scottlunsfordauthor.com On line 07-20-2019 @7:00 pm 
17:02
July 20, 2019
Episode -22- The 1970s Virginia Bunny man mystery and Investigation
Episode -22- The 1970s  Virginia Bunny man mystery and Investigation. Who was the Virginia Bunny man? Ghost? Specter from the past? A crazed ax welding man in a rabbit costume?. Perhaps a simply misunderstood guy who liked to dress up as a Bunny. If so why the ax? Find out the reality of the 1970’s story of the Virginia Bunny Man and the police investigation into his existence.  scottlunsfordauthor.com
21:07
July 13, 2019
Episode -21-The story of Namoni Wise. Was Bob Dylan and Doc Watson correct in telling the story?
Episode -21-The story of Namoni Wise. Was  Bob Dylan and Doc Watson correct in telling the story?   A shade of blue that starts with a sound clip by Doc Watson. A recorded Ballad of the story of Namoni Wise. Down loaded from  Smithsonian Folkways. The nonprofit record label of the Smithsonian Institution.   Naomi Wise was said to be an extraordinarily beautiful, young teen age orphan indentured as servant to a farming family in North Carolina.  She was found strangled and drowned in the Deep River. Pregnant with child. Who killed Namoni Wise? The young North Carolina lady written about in novels and sung about in ballads by Doc Watson, Bob Dylan, Newtown, Vernon Dalhart and others. What is the truth about the young orphan and how she died.  Listen to make your own decision.    Youtube video of one of the song by   NEWTOWN  
21:19
July 6, 2019
Episode -20- The Right Rev. George Washington Carawan and the School teacher Charles Lassiter. 1852.
Episode -20- The Right Rev. George Washington Carawan and the school teacher Charles  Lassiter. 1852. Though a preacher of the gospel, The Reverend George Washington Carawan, was a  prominent and powerful North Carolina Baptist minister. A man of violent temper and strong animal passions, more likely to inspire terror than piety in the community and those around him.  The sorrows he begat in his relationships would follow him to the courtroom for a final tragic act in Carawan’s play of tragedy, life and death. Dump choices?  Thinking himself smarter than every one else? Or did his luck run out?  Perhaps. several issues came together to solve the problem of The prominent and powerful Reverend George Washington Carawan.  
17:33
June 29, 2019
Episode -19 Murder in Mitchel Co. NC. 1904, Murder or self defense?
A cold 1904 January in Mitchel County North Carolina, the body of a young man is found lying near the railroad tracks. Lying face first in or near a small creek, The young man shot three times in the head and five in the back.   The county Coroner was summed and an inquest held. In 1900’s North Carolina many times the initial investigation of a death or homicide was completed by a coroner's jury. They would make the initial determination of foul play. If so the case would be sent to law-enforcement and the court system.   The murder of 19 year old Mr. Shell from Tennessee with 124 dollars gold in just paid wages in his pocket, would turn into a shade of blue involving attempted jail breaks, planed lynchings and the Sheriff under cover of darkness removing the suspect from the county for safe keeping. Murder or self defense? Were the jail breaks and escapes necessary to protect an innocent man?   Was justice found at the end of the story? Listen and decide for yourself.
17:58
June 22, 2019
Episode-18- Why did the Deputy shoot Tom Mashburn? & Who killed the father of NC Ginseng Trade
Episode-18- Why did the Deputy shoot Tom Mashburn? & Who killed the father of NC Ginseng Trade The song says Someone may have shot the sheriff and claims they did not shoot the deputy, but we do know for sure that the Deputy shot Tom Mashburn. Part 2- Is it true that the murder will return to the scene of the crime? The fact is sometimes he does. How this and 1800 CSI work solved the killing of Captain Garrett the man known as the  father of the North Carolina Ginseng Business.  Listen to Episode -18- to find out. 
19:22
June 15, 2019
Episode- 17- A 1960s unusual disappearance and missing person case with connections to Western N.C.
Episode- 17- A 1960s unusual disappearance and missing person case with connections to Western N.C.  A new shade of blue looking at an unusual disappearance and missing person investigation. In the mid 1960’s  Mary Little was a Bank secretary in Atlanta, Georgia, she disappeared from the parking lot of Lenox Square Mall shopping one night. Unusual evidence is uncovered in the investigation  including connections to the  Appalachian Mountains of Western North Carolina. A second missing young lady over a year latter from the same bank with similar connections to Mary Little, fails to show up for work one morning. Her body is discovered in the trunk of her car abandoned in a joining town.  Are the investigations still on going? Are they connected? Listen to decide for yourself.
18:41
June 8, 2019
Episode- 16- Part two of the Murder of W. W. “Bill” Ormond by Mr. William Bonaparte Cole.
The Murder of W. W. “Bill” Ormond by Mr. William Bonaparte Cole.   Episode - 16- Part 2.   Part two of the Murder of W. W. “Bill” Ormond by Mr. William Bonaparte Cole.   W. “Bill” Ormond, a veteran of the trench warfare of World War One was a young man returning home from war. He becomes romantically involved with Influential Mill owner, Mr.  William Cole’s daughter.  An excepted relationship, until the Young Miss Cole turns her attentions in another direction.  This sets former suitor against father in a name calling and threatening confrontation that does not end well for Mr. Ormond.    Follow up to Episode - 15- Part 1- Scheduled for the next day, June 02, 2019 at 7:00 AM.   The Murder of  “Bill” Ormond.  At the 1925 murder trial the Idea of "The unwritten law" is also put on trial.  The increasingly more common acquittal concept coming from juries, that, “some times a guy just needs to get shot”.  Right or wrong? Was Fair and proper justice seen in this case?  Or is this one of the first so called battles between the 1 percent and the 99 percent spoken of in today's media?  Listen for your self and decide.   Five Four Two and the Blue Podcast.  Real shades of blue from our past that shapes our today.  
25:31
June 2, 2019
Episode -15 The Murder of W. W. “Bill” Ormond by Mr. William Bonaparte Cole.
Episode -15 The 1925 Murder of W. W. “Bill” Ormond by Mr. William Bonaparte Cole.  Part one. Saturday June 1st at 7:00 pm. William Bonaparte Cole started in N.C. textiles at the age of fifteen as a mill bookkeeper in Rockingham, NC. Cole was able to advance himself to becoming a powerful Mill Owner, Businessman and resident of Rockingham North Carolina. W. “Bill” Ormond, a veteran of the trench warfare of World War One was a young man returning home from war. He becomes romantically involved with William Cole’s daughter.  An excepted relationship, until the Young Miss Cole turns her attentions in another direction.  This sets former suitor against father in a name calling and threatening confrontation that does not end well for Mr. Ormond.    Scheduled for the next day, June 02, 2019 at 7:00 PM.  Episode 16, Part two. The Murder of  “Bill” Ormond.  At the 1925  court case the Idea of "The unwritten law" is also put on trail.  The increasingly more common acquittal concept coming from juries, that, “some times a guy just needs to get shot”.  Right or wrong? Was Fair and proper justice seen in this case?  Or is this one of the first so called battles between the 1 percent and the 99 percent spoken of in today's media?  Listen for your self and decide.   Five Four Two and the Blue Podcast.  Real shades of blue from our past that shapes our todays.  
21:29
June 1, 2019
Episode -14- The hanging of Peter Smith-- Crime and punishment in the Appalachian Mountains
Crime and punishment in the Appalachian Mountains.  On Oct. 2, 1905, A man was hung at Marshall NC the County seat of Madison County.  Most of us history nuts in the Western NC area are familiar with the Hanging of Peter Smith.   Growing up in Madison Co. I had heard the stories and have seen the photographs of Smith standing on the gallows in Marshall out side of the Jail in  1905.   The concussions over the years I was told was that Smith did not commit the crimes he had been accused of. A murder of a young girl then several years later a rape of another young girl.  I had been told many times that he had been framed for the assault. Reviewing the media of 1900's, copies of the court testimony, the findings of the NC Supreme Court and the Governors Office.  Listen for yourself. Did he or didn't he?  Did North Carolina hang an innocent man?   scottlunsfordauthor.com
28:09
May 25, 2019
Episode -13- 1901 murder of a sleeping family.
Five Four Two and the Blue episode - 13 – 1901  murder of a sleeping family.   On the night of September 21st, 1909, a knock on a cabin door and a neighborly welcome turned to murder.  The family knew the visitor and quite naturally opened their home to him. By nine o’clock, all six family members were asleep. Using a pistol, a knife, and a hatchet the visitor is said to have slain the entire family, then set the cabin on fire and left. Bungled petty theft and non-premeditated murder. Or a planed ruthless killing of an entire family over money.  
18:54
May 18, 2019
Episode -12- Big Al Capone in the Appalachians
Episode -12- Big Al Capone in the Appalachians Big Al in the Appalachians.    Did the famous gangster "Scarface" Al Capone keep an apartment and hide out in Johnson City Tnn?  And was the Mob involved with the death of a whole family in N.C. on Christmas Day,  all because of something the father saw in Johnson City?
21:05
May 11, 2019
Episode -11 The Murder of 17 year old Muriel Baldridge 1947
Episode -11 The Murder of 17 year old Muriel Baldridge  in 1947 The Podcast starts with a brief musical ballad telling the story of a  tragic event from the Appalachian Mountains.  The Ballad written in 1949, the recording made in 1977. The Ballad tell the story of the tragic Murder of Muriel Baldridge, the 17-year old high school cheerleader who was found beaten to death under a bridge the morning of June 28, 1949 in Prestonsburg, Kentucky.  The Murder after a decades of investigation by local, state and federal investigators follows a strange path of confessions, retracted confessions and finally a sensational  trial with a controversial verdict.  To this day the case remains unsolved and thought of as one  very confusing investigation and legal case in Eastern Kentucky  if not the South.  scottlunsfordauthor.com  
30:45
May 4, 2019
episode - 10 -gambling in the Mountains
Five Four Two and the Blue episode - 10 -gambling in the Mountains Scheduled for April 27, 2019 at 7:00 PM Illegal gambling in the Mountains.  Cases from 1901, 1955 and 1977.A look at the differences of how the Evil of Gambling and "Gambling Dens" was handled.  In 1901 the NC state Legislature  passed a new Anti-Gambling Law.  The previsions of the new law were put into strict force in several cities   The Law was especially strict on Gambling in Barrooms, Hotels and private clubs. The if enforced, was thought would put an end to gambling in North Carolina.   link to web site
26:05
April 27, 2019
Episode - 9. Witchcraft Trials in Tenn,, Ghostly evidence and Court testimony in West Virginia
 Episode - 9. Witchcraft Trials in Tenn,, Ghostly evidence and Court testimony in West Virginia Episode 9.   Three Shades of Blue stories, for Five Four Two and the Blue.   Three stories of Law enforcement, and the court system.  Two Witchcraft Trials in Tenn. and A Shade of Blue story of, Ghostly evidence and Court testimony in West Virginia.  
26:12
April 20, 2019
Episode -8- Murder and attempted Murder on the Appalachian Trail
Episode -8- Murder and attempted Murder on the Appalachian Trail The  shade of blue in this podcast on five for two and the blue. Puts us in the great outdoors along the Appalachian Trail. For those of you who don’t know The Appalachian National Scenic Trail, generally known as the Appalachian Trail or simply the A.T., is a marked hiking trail in the Eastern United States extending between Springer Mountain in Georgia and Maine. The trail is about 2,160 miles long, though the exact length changes over time as parts are modified or rerouted. The Appalachian Trail is thought of as the longest marked hiking-only trail in the world. More than 2 million people hike on part of the trail at least once each year. Laura Susan Ramsay and Robert Mountford Jr,  in 1981 were hiking on part of the AT where it passes through Virginia. The two 27 year olds were vacationing social workers from the state of Maine.   While Hiking they met a man named Randall Smith. The two social workers observed how Smith appeared troubled and socially uncomfortable and naturally because of there calling in life, wanted to help him and tried to draw him out socially. This friendly act would be the mistake of there life.  
17:43
April 13, 2019
Episode -7 The Ghost Town incident of 1992
        Episode -7 The Ghost Town incident of 1992  In this shades of blue story for Five Four Two and the Blue, it does not start in the mountains of Western North Carolina but the start of the ending does.           It’s a story of the capture of a real bad guy, James Neil Tucker. Our story begins in a make believe world of a Wild West theme park. Ghost  Town in the Sky, Maggie Valley, North Carolina.            In 1992, A Private Security officer working for the Park, found James Tucker hiding under a bus after the Ghost Town amusement park closed for the night, he didn't know at the time,  but Tucker was a wanted man.            Maggie Valley Police Chief Saralyn Carver, responded to the call to investigate the trespassing incident.  A normal radio check on the identity of the trespasser set in motion a deadly confrontation and several court trials to bring the want a be desperado to justice.  
17:48
April 6, 2019
Episode -6 The Miller Manhunt
Episode -6 The Miller Manhunt Many in the Appalachian Mountains are familiar with the murder and killing rampage that occurred in 1906 Asheville North Carolina. The Gunman, Will Harris’s manhunt and killing related to his shooting of several individuals both white and  African American. Even today you can see the scars his stray bullets had made on the Vance Monument downtown, Asheville tour guides will point out the marks and tell how the story is famous, particularly in part to the Thomas Wolfe’s story, “The Child by Tiger.” Wolf was about 6 years old when the Harris incident and manhunt occurred. It seems to have made a strong impression on him. There was a similar incident that had happened in Morganton, N.C. in 1927. The news papers of the day wrote of the Story of Broadus Miller with headlines such as “The Largest Manhunt in Western North Carolina History”. In reality, it may possibly still be.
19:33
March 30, 2019
Episode -5 - 1964 and a deadly Home Invasion
Shortly before midnight Tuesday November 10, 1964, masks, guns and other disguises were collected by four young men.  The burglary and robbery tools placed in a burlap bag, hidden under the hood of a pick-up truck just in case they were stopped by police at some point.    The robbery team consisting of a 23, 27, 19, and a 16 year old, drove to the farm of Charlie Lunsford. The four men drove around the area several times to make sure police were not in the area. 16 year old Arrlie Fox had worked for Lunsford the previous day. He discovered the farmer had a large amount of cash as he made change for customers.  The four planed a simple robbery to make some quick cash.  What would be called today a "Home Invasion" turned deadly.     The story starts, and before it ends multiple trials, a deadly prison riot, a prison escape, the Governor of NC. and another murder are involved.   
23:00
March 24, 2019
Episode- 4- Five dead in ten Minutes, Asheville NC 1906
Episode- 4- Five dead in ten Minutes, Asheville NC 1906  A discussion about the Asheville North Carolina  of 1906.  The 5 homicides that occurred in a 10 minute span rampage, the investigation and man hunt reported as far away as New York City .    The murder Will Harris is quoted as saying before shot by an avenging public.   "I come from hell,…. from Charlotte, …...from state prison ...and from the chain gang," "And I'm surely going back to hell, ….sooner rather than later."   Will Harris arrived in Asheville by train on Nov. 12, 1906. His reputation preceding him.  In his late 20’s  he had a known criminal record  that cast a long shadow of theft, robbery, assault and prison escapes.   In a 10 minute spree Harris killed 5 men including two police officers. Resulting Harris being deemed an Out Law and started a man hunt for the killer with the community looking to shoot on sight.   Back ground theme "Mystery Sax" by Kevin MacLeod…. incompetech.Com.  Licensed under Creative Commons. By Attribution 3.0 License   w.w.w.creativecommons.org/licenses.by 3.0
23:57
March 16, 2019
Episode- 3- Montford Avenue Murder / The Trial
Episode- 3- Montford Avenue Murder / The Trial On the morning of May 10- 1927, a maid walking to work discovered the body of a women in a ravine on Montford Avenue. This begun one of the most sensational crimes, investigations and trials in that time period.  The Investigation and trial had impact through out Buncombe County and the City of Asheville at that time. Allegations of a cover-up, involvement of the Klu Klux Klan and miss-handled evidence was the talk of the time.  A reorganization of the Asheville Police Department and the firing of 13 Officers.   
27:25
March 10, 2019
Episode 2 Asheville N.C. Montford Ave. Murder.
Episode 2 Asheville N.C. Montford Ave. Murder. On the morning of May 10- 1927, a maid walking to work discovered the body of a women in a ravine on Montford Avenue. This begun one of the most sensational crimes, investigations and trials in that time period. The infamous case was followed by 1000 in the media of the day. The court house from the trial of the accused, the crime scene and other locations related to the investigation were visited and tramped through by 100 of curious individuals.  Almost all Buncombe co and Asheville city officials became involved in some way. Partly because of the investigation and some of the issues involved resulted in the Asheville Police Department being reorganized.   Weeks after the investigation was started and after the grand jury issued indictments 13 men lost their jobs with the Police  department.  Also involved, in the Trial and investigation, a Confederate Civil War Veteran, a future US Senator and a world-famous folk singer and musician. 
30:44
February 20, 2019
Episode -1- A LITTLE BACKGROUND -
The five four two and the Blue Podcast. .. Discussions of law enforcement history. issues and incidents in the Appalachian Mountains. Hosted by Scott Lunsford, retired police detective sergeant. Author and researcher.  Some quick local history to gain some perspective of the area.     For more information Go to SCOTTLUNSFORDAUTHOR.COM Here you will find a link to the podcast web site and information on Scott’s books and how to order them. Scott can also be reached through the message portal on the contact page.
18:55
February 8, 2019