Host Michelle Hands discusses with her guests how they survive and thrive in typically male-dominated careers. She draws from her own world of construction to relate to her guests' trials and tribulations. No subject is off the table as she discusses everything from sexual harassment, bullying, childish antics, pay gap and so much more. It's not all serious though, these awesome women are paving the way for future generations and their stories never fail to impress.
Come and laugh, cry and gasp at their inspiring stories!
Lara Kelly on Sharing Her Experience Working in a Man’s World on Social Media
In this episode of She Who Dares Wins podcast, I speak with Lara Kelly, an apprentice electrician in industrial and coal mining from Australia. She has been in the industry in a while after getting inspired by her brother who also does trade jobs.
Lara shares why she is so passionate about her job and wants to share her story and inspire other women not to be ashamed to work in a man’s world. Listen in to learn the impacts of social media especially on women who choose to share what is unconventional.
The benefits of unpaid work to gain the necessary experience for the job market.
How to get out of your comfort and experience life of opportunities.
The positive and negative impacts of social media on women sharing their stories.
How to work with companies that represent your brand on social media and learning to say no to those that don’t align with it.
[1:09] She shares her story from dropping out of University to an apprentice electrician which took 3 years of rejection to land a job.
[3:41] How a lack of proper training and job experience led to her rejection in the job market.
[6:14] Why moving to a different state stretched her comfort zone and gave her job satisfaction.
[9:47] She describes why she joined Instagram to share her story of working in a man’s world and the negative side of it.
[17:50] She explains why she works with companies whose values align with hers on social media.
[24:04] How she reacts to negative opinions and comments on social media.
[31:21] She explains why she disassociated herself with women who pretended to support but were tearing others down.
[34:30] Why you should do something that you love and are passionate about.
[36:27] Why women should consider trade jobs as lucrative career paths even with their university education.
“Putting myself out of my comfort zone has made me go out and try to get more opportunities for myself.” – Lara [6:41]
“There are still, unfortunately, people out there who really don’t like having women in this man’s world.”- Lara [12:47]
“We’re such a small representation in the industry already and realistically we should be bringing each other up as opposed to tearing each other down.”- Lara [32:40]
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In this episode, I sit with Brandy who is an automotive technician from Baltimore, USA. She shares her story of growing up around cars with both her father and grandfather being mechanics and later wanting that for herself as a young adult.
Listen in to learn what it takes for a lone woman to survive in a world like the automotive industry which is dominated by men. You will also learn the importance of going after what you want despite what everyone else thinks.
“It’s difficult but it makes it all the more worth it.”- Brandy [7:06]
“If you don’t have the passion, then you’re not going to survive because that’s the only thing that’ll keep you going somedays.”- Brandy [17:37]
“It’s really scary to start something you have absolutely no clue how to do it.”- Brandy [32:10]
The challenges of being a woman in a male-dominated industry like the automotive industry.
How the traditionally male-dominated industries are becoming more and more receptive to women.
How to set your boundaries as a woman among men.
Having the strength to learn to do something that you have no idea how to do especially without support.
[2:10] She shares her story of how she grew up around cars and became passionate about them as a young adult.
[6:30] How she navigates the challenges of being in a male-dominated industry.
[7:57] She tells the story of how she lost an opportunity for being a woman and the lessons she learned from the situation.
[13:32] How the automotive industry has turned more receptive and fewer women are receiving discrimination today.
[19:01] The skills that you require to survive as a woman in a world filled with men.
[26:00] She shares the two reasons why she loves being an automotive technician.
[31:11] How to have the courage to do what you want to do with your life.
[36:25] She shares how she is continuing to learn new things and supporting other women who want to join the automotive industry.
Brandy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mama.tired/
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Learning to Navigate the Challenges of Being a Property Project Manager
In the episode today, I talk to Nicole, a project manager in the property development industry. She has been in the industry for the last ten years and has faced some major challenges before finding her footing.
Listen in to hear Nicole’s incredible story from the financial world in Australia to the construction industry after major struggles. You will also hear how more women are open to work in construction and property development now than they were several years ago.
“People are going to be negative; they’re going to make fun of you, block them move on, and have this beautiful nurturing environment around you and makes you happy.” Nicole [38:43]
The struggle that comes with finding the right job as an immigrant and your education qualifications are invalid.
The challenge of crowdfunding for bigger projects.
How the women in the construction industry have doubled in the last ten years representing from higher positions to construction site workers.
How to build your personal brand through social media.
[1:19] She tells her story of how she started in the project management scene when she managed her house construction project.
[3:51] She explains the struggle she went through to find something she could do after leaving the financial world.
[8:59] She describes some of the major challenges in her role raising money for projects.
[16:45] The experiences she has had dealing with people in construction teams from the beginning of her career.
[21:02] The representation of women in the construction field in the last ten years.
[26:03] Why she started her socials and why she believes there are other women who are doing better than her in empowering others.
[35:13] Why she advises young people to block negativity on social media.
[40:59] Advice to anyone who wants to be a project manager in property development.
Connect with Nicole: https://www.instagram.com/nsbremner/
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Project Surveyor Anjali discusses the importance of relationships at work, and fighting cultural norms to find a rewarding career in construction.
In this episode I talk to Anjali, a project surveyor in the construction industry. She shares the story of what inspired her to join the construction industry even though she was faced with a lot of external pressure and objection.
Listen in to learn why Anjali is empowering women and girls to join the construction industry without feeling shame or objection from society. You will also hear the importance of having good relationships onsite with other QSs to form respect and productive workflow.
“If we don’t create that relationship, then there’s less chance of us being able to work on the next project especially with the same team or QS.”-Anjali [19:08]
· Dealing with the external pressure of what other people want you to do and what you want to do.
· Learning to work harder as a woman in a family construction business.
· The importance of building good and respectable relationships with the other QSs onsite.
· How good relationships onsite brings forth respect and a peaceful working environment.
· Growing thick skin as a woman in the construction industry.
· [1:27] Who is a project surveyor and what does she do on a construction site?
· [2:53] She explains how she gets work and what it means to be employed by the contractor.
· [3:35] How she aspired to be in her family’s construction business and the objection she faced as a woman before she even joined.
· [7:45] How she learned to work harder than everyone else to prove herself working in a family business and being a woman at the same time.
· [10:05] The daunting feeling that she had when entering the construction world and is still facing up to now.
· [16:53] How she has learned to build good relationships with the other QSs by being adaptable, negotiable, and not overdoing things.
· [21:06] How she understood site cultures and the overall industry when she worked onsite every day for 2 years.
· [27:05] Why she is sharing her story of being a woman in the construction industry.
· [33:53] Learning to understand why society has a negative perspective against women being in the construction industry.
· [36:21] She talks about where she sees herself in the next five years and what she is doing now.
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In this weeks episode I got to chat with Stone Mason apprentice Rachael Wragg. Rachel is currently learning the trade at Lincoln Cathedral. Rachaels talks about finding her passion and purpose for working with stone, after completing a degree in art and then working in numerous ‘pointless’ jobs. A self proclaimed history nerd, she took the leap of faith to master the craft of stone masonry. Finding her dream job, she tells us how incredibly proud she is of her work, playing an important part in restoring history and how the family of co-workers are amazingly supportive.
1:28 Explaining why stone masonry is the coolest job ever
3:48 How Rachel ended up finding her dream job
5:41 How the attitude “that’s someone’s else job” prevented her from chasing her dream earlier
6:00 Hitting 30 and taking that leap into the unknown, and just how daunting that was
10:38 Family attitudes towards her new ventures
13:00 The importance of being respectful to the working environment and general public
14:00 Being accepted by her all male workforce and just how supportive they have been
17:40 Why Rachel loves working with stone, and why we need more women in the industry/trade
19:36 Why it’s good to be a little nervous at work
20:00 Discussing the danger of working with masonry tools
21:00 Attributes you need to be good at stone masonry
24:00 Physical strength and adapting to work, knowing your limits and own strengths
25:00 How we can get more women into masonry
28:01 Where Rachel wants to be in 5-10 years
29:30 Regretting going to university for the sake of it and wasting time working pointless jobs
Discussing trades as a lesser job
“It’s a different kind of smart, there’s a lot of work needed to break the stigmas”
How she is treated by guys at work
“I would expect them to expect me to do the same work as they do and not to treat me any differently because I was a girl”
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Barbie the welder talks us through her journey of hardship and passion and how she followed her dreams of becoming a welding artist. After watching a scene from a movie which featured a female welder, her heart was set and this lead her on a journey of trials and tribulations, albeit one that showcases just how much we can be achieved. She inspires us with her tenacity, creativity, kind heart, and most of all her incredible talents to create art that sells. Barbies’ life as a welding sculpture really does read like a Hollywood movie, and she not only continues to inspire others to follow in her footsteps, but she is proof that if you follow your heart and jump into the unknown then you can make a living out of your passion. There are so many life lessons to be learnt in this podcast, whether you are interested in welding or not. It’s one woman’s journey of success through complete adversity. If you want to learn how to weld metal art, Barbie is your gal!
0:50 How barbie fell into welding after leaving her job as an auto mechanic.
2:18 Starting to weld and how she fought to finance her start.
4:15 The transition from welding to getting a job.
6:42 Working for a company who were super supportive and enabled her to work with other women.
9:40 Journey from shop work to sculpting and creating art in her garage
11:32 The transition from artist to selling and becoming a business owner
15:41 Taking a leap into the unknown and working out of fear rather than passion.
17:07 Attending welding shows and being inspired by others
19:50 Learning to appreciate her own work and talents
23:11 Winging it and starting to get exposure
27:25 The journey to selling art online via Instagram and YouTube
32.24 Finding a new love in teaching others welding and creating art
34:00 Being asked to write a book on welding, and then completing it in 10 days
35:00 Teaching women to weld and passing on the passion
36:30 Teaching the craft to the masses on YouTube
37:50 Barbies passion to showcase the industry to a wider audience
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On this week’s episode, our special guest is crane driver Ashleigh Kaliszuk from Alberta, Canada. Ashleigh discusses how she became a crane driver, completely by fluke, and how at first, she didn’t love it, but that all changed when she became a qualified journeyman. Ashleigh gives us an insight into why she loves her job, and how we can get more women into the industry. Recently Ashleigh published a blog post offer advice to other women working in such a harsh male-dominated industry. In this episode, we gain valuable advice about setting boundaries at work, dealing with difficult men and situations, and the importance of social intelligence. Finally, Ashleigh also talks about why women supporting other women is paramount for the industry to progress and why we need to see more women leaders. Ashleigh is a keen photographer and motorcyclist who loves to document her journeys both inside and outside of work to help inspire other women to follow their passions.
1:00 How Ashleigh became a crane drive after she started out as a scaffolder apprentice
2:00 How she didn’t love the job at first but then really started to love it for a variety of reasons
4:30 Discussing other women in the industry and how we can get more to join and become crane drivers and the schemes in Canada for getting more women into trades
6:20 Dealing with brutal working conditions in Canada especially the cold weather
10:01 Advice for women entering the industry, how to set boundaries and how to deal with difficult situations at work when working away from home.
15:00 How to deal with offensive comments from men at work
17:20 The importance of being socially intelligent at work
20:40 Women supporting other women in the industry and why it is so important to build each other up. Ashleigh shares a bad experience with another woman and how it affected her.
25:42 The biggest changes Ashleigh would like to see in the industry over the next 10 years.
28: Why it’s important to document your journey at work
29:36 Ashleigh’s passions outside of work and how she works with brands.
“I enjoy the hard work that comes with driving a crane”
“I love being able to support the Alberta Industry”
“I learned most of my lessons in this industry the hard way, and it’s shaped me into who I am today and the confidence I have on the job site”
“It hurt to see somebody who had been in the industry, cut other women down. It was so hard because if you are going to cut me and other women down, then how can we rise up to any form of equality”
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On this episode of This is a Man’s World, She Who Dares Wins Podcast, our guest is Beth Skinner. Beth is a bricklayer from the UK. When she first started doing the groundwork she was very quiet and shy but by the end she blossomed out of her shell.
Sometimes you put a barrier on your own potential by these thoughts of ‘I can’t ‘that creep in. Beth is a prime example that you can defy the odds and having a thriving career in any field you choose. Being a young female, Beth wondered if they were going to give her the change she wanted? She has had an incredible experience. Beth attributes a huge portion of the positive experience she has had to the people she works with.
She absolutely loves the work she does. Her responsibilities go beyond just laying bricks. What you can get out of it is tenfold compared to what you put into it. There’s the good, the bad and the ugly but it is a rewarding career. You have to really want to do it. You can’t glamorize the times that aren’t as great but it can be incredibly fulfilling.
2:08 — How Beth got into construction
3:44 – Beginning the onsite experience
5:10 – Tackling the job
14:20 – Why Beth loves what she does
18:30 – Importance of people you work with
24:04 – Being a female on a construction site
30:03 – Unsafe situations
33:16 – Understanding the full spectrum of the career
35:14 – Where Beth sees herself in 5 years
5:52 – “You just start off with baby steps.”
8:08 – “I’ve personally never seen a female brick laborer.”
14:41 – “You’re not just a bricklayer, you’re a problem solver.”
20:01 – “You’ll never find one bricklayer that works the same.”
29:42 – “You have one individual who’s not concentrating and it ruins it forever.”
35:25 – “I would love to go out and do my own builds.”
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On this episode of This is a Man’s World, She Who Dares Wins Podcast, our guest is Shauna. She works in tarmacking. Tarmacking is one of the dirtiest, hardest and smelliest jobs in construction. While it has it’s downside, she loves it. Many of her family members were also in construction. Prior she worked in a salon.
When working in tarmacking you have to be in place to execute. Every day is a learning curve. There is something new every day. No day is the same. Part of the job involves going in and making sure it’s hot enough. Once the machine is hot enough, it’s ready to go. Then you have to move quickly. If it gets messed up, the whole thing is ruined, which creates some pressure at first.
Through loads and loads of practice, she has learned the ropes. This career pushes her on and empowers her to do more. The ultimate goal is that she’ll be running things. Right now she is in the process of learning the other side of the business. Shauna’s advice is to go for it. There’s no reason to look back and have regret. You’ll never regret something you tried. If it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out.
2:52 — What is tarmac
4:44 – Cost of tarmacking
6:20 – How Shauna got into tarmacking
10:55 – Expectations vs reality
17:03 – Adapting to the construction industry
18:32 – Maternity leave and having kids
24:26 – A day in the life of tarmacking
27:31 – Learning to drive machines
35:52 – What’s next?
4:14 – “It’s a dirty job but the best of times.”
9:10 – “I couldn’t go back to working a salon, and I love it.”
16:32 – “I’ve never come across another girl in the construction industry yet.”
27:18 – “You know when you’re pregnant smells get to you more than anything.”
30:56 – “ I won’t try it, I’ll do it. Try is just a copout.”
32:41 – “There are idiots in every industry.”
34:40 – “I want to prove to myself and prove to these lads that I am as good as the lads.”
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On this episode of This is a Man’s World, She Who Dares Wins Podcast, our guest is Bryony. Bryony is from a small town in Wales. After university, she found herself in a very interesting field, the oil and gas industry. Bryony works for 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off. She attributes her current career as the world’s happiest accident.
Choosing a career is also choosing a lifestyle. Each job requires you to manage your mental health in certain ways. During our conversation, Bryony shares her personal experience onboard and how she faced unwanted male interactions. Bryony loves the oil and gas industry and see’s great opportunity for females in the industry. At the same time, you need to be headstrong and be able to brush things off. In your early years building a stable home can’t be your primary priority, it has to be secondary due to the amount of travel and time away from home. The industry is fantastic because you get to meet people from all over the world.
During our conversation, Bryony shares what makes up her job and how she navigates the ups and downs of her role and work situation. We talk about the differences between the male and female experience as well as many other interesting topics. Bryony had an encounter onboard that was less than desired. Whether there’s intent or something happened, we as women shouldn’t have to deal with that. It can be a challenge onboard at times because things are heightened due to being in close proximity all the time. It’s important to protect yourself in certain situations. Learn more about Bryony and her passion for her industry and overcoming the obstacles of a male-dominated field in this episode.
1:39 — Who Bryony is and what she does
2:37 – How Bryony got into the work she’s doing
6:19 – Transition from being a student to 12 hour shifts
10:10 – What Bryony’s job entails
14:11 – Working with a majority of males
17:05 – Adapting to the lifestyle of the job
29:14 – Coping with varying cultures and attitudes
36:32 – Facing relationships onboard
42:04 – Defending yourself against unwanted advances
51:40 – Why Bryony loves her job
22:28 – “You get to know the people you work with very well.”
33:41 – “Going back to the feminist card, the thing that gets me is if I snap back at a certain comment or explain that something is not right and they throw the feminist card.”
35:36 – “A comment can be over the line but a physical thing is without a doubt over the line.”
45:22 – “I don’t think a man onboard has every had to check his room to see if someone is in there.”
46:35 – “That feeling of shame is something so many women share and we often put it on ourselves.”
50:49 – “Always on reflection you think I should have done X,Y,Z but sometimes it’s a bit of fight or flight and you just react the way you think you should.”
54:42 – “Go for it and don’t have any fear.”
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On this episode of This is a Man’s World, She Who Dares Wins Podcast, our guest is Lauren Holland, a London-based land surveyor. While pursuing a degree in geography from Aberystwyth University in Wales, she realized that her love for the outdoors and her experience in 3D modeling classes could translate to a job as a land surveyor. She emailed a surveyor based in Wembley after a quick Google search and asked them if she could intern there for free. They obliged, and Lauren soon after fell in love with the trade.
Working in the glass industry, Lauren’s father warned her that there are few women in the land surveying industry. She was exposed to this truth going to family days at her father’s work. Though uncomfortable at times, she has grown to own her work and defend that she has as much right to be at the site as any man. Lauren laments the unfair treatment and attention she gets working in the industry. The first company she worked at was more or less technologically behind, but he learned to do the work by hand. This experience gave her an understanding of the fundamentals, so she is able to easily adapt to any new instruments used in the field.
Lauren began her social media career by posting photos on LinkedIn. A photo of her carrying her kit through Central London got 250 thousand views. She tries to balance the professional side and personal side, which has become difficult as her presence has increased. Lauren lists community as one of the best things about being a land surveyor. Another benefit is being outside and being uplifted by of the outdoors. Murphy Surveys is young--and 25% female--and has shown Lauren support at every turn. On the job site, Lauren has had a total station fall on her head, and even had to chase one down from a thief. People have even taken issue with the lasers used in Lauren’s surveying equipment. Outside of the work, the stories that come with it make the work incredible. Lauren is passionate about technology and has been delivering presentations about the future of land surveying. She speaks to young people about the industry as a whole, including project management and design.
1:12 — How Lauren became a land surveyor.
3:48 — Lauren’s realization that her field was largely male-dominated.
9:10 — Lauren reflects on the “office side” of the job and knowing your tools.
13:00 — Lauren’s social media journey.
17:20 — The best things about being a land surveyor.
25:55 — Blunders at the job site: falling total stations and thieves.
32:45 — Lauren shares a story about drunk people confusing the equipment for a camera.
34:00 — Considerations for the future.
38:30 — Parents struggle to see construction as a lucrative career choice, but it is.
“It was like being on a catwalk every day. Everyone would just stop and turn. And I thought, ‘what is going on...surely they see women every now and then?’”
“The last thing you want to do is go to work and feel uncomfortable.”
“I’m amazing at setting out a building site in the hallway of a college.”
“These are challenges...I always emphasize how amazing the feeling is to overcome them.”
“The jobs are there...be inspired and follow.”
“I was walking toward them and they all lifted their tops up.”
“Go out and get experience. I wouldn’t change land surveying for the world.”
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On this episode of the This is a Man’s World, She Who Dares Wins podcast, our guest is Maria Coulter, also known as The Construction Coach. Maria grew up interested in woodworking, working at an organ factory at one time before going on to college where got into the field of quantity surveying. When she entered the industry in the late 1980’s, she was pleasantly surprised to not be the only woman on site, and she has found strength and encouragement from the comradery that she and her colleagues share.
During the recession, when work was limited, Maria started to notice a decreasing morale in the construction industry, from the top levels all the way down. She realized that most leaders had been chosen for their technical abilities and had never received any leadership training to be able to know how to relate to their direct reports during these leaner times. Maria began “coaching” herself throughout this time and she realized that other construction industry leaders could also use her help in self-discovery, mindset, focusing on their people, and building confidence.
She has now been in business for 5 years and she has begun receiving recognition for her contributions to diversity and inclusion in the construction industry, most recently the British Empire Medal. She is also a Board member of the Construction Industry Council and Chair of its Diversity and Inclusion panel. Maria launched the TRIBE (Together Representing and Influencing Built Environments) Network on Facebook as an online community for expanding mindsets and open conversations.
0:42 – How Maria got into the construction industry.
3:18 – The benefit of having other women on site.
4:27 – Challenges Maria has faced.
7:23 – How Maria got to where she is now.
10:59 – The importance of telling the “real story” to change the industry.
16:25 – It’s all about people.
17:36 – Building confidence at work.
23:18 – Celebrating the little wins.
27:39 – Handling emotions in the workplace.
33:13 – Maria’s recent British Empire Medal.
36:19 – The TRIBE Network Maria has created.
41:50 – Maria’s membership in the Construction Industry Council Board.
43:39 – Advice to women about the construction industry.
“I definitely felt the need for the pressure on myself to be perfect.”
“We’ve got to do better than this. This is not how you get the best out of people.”
“As an industry, if we really want to get this culture change, we’ve got to be able to be ourselves.”
“We don’t give ourselves enough acknowledgment for all the achievements we have done and how far we have come.”
“If feel like what I’m doing is a mission.”
“Young people a lot of the time don’t even know we exist.”
“I feel like I’m getting a voice in the industry to make a difference.”
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It's dirty secret time ladies and gents! Yes. You can't go through 12 years worth of construction experience as a woman and not have a little black book of secret stories to tell. This is the first episode of the black book series of secret spills!
I hope you are able to laugh, cry and refelect on my experiences
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On this episode of the This is a Man’s World, She Who Dares Wins podcast, we are joined by Brian Hands, Michelle’s father and an entrepreneur in the electrical industry. Brian talks about his perspective on Michelle’s career up to this point, including what it was like for her to start out in the construction industry and encounter bumps along the way. The two talk about the brief time when Michelle and her brother, John, ventured out on their own to start their own business and the difficulties that they faced which ultimately led them to where they are today.
Brian shares some advice for parents whose daughters are considering entering the construction industry and how he and Michelle’s mom navigated their caution and concern while still empowering Michelle to follow her aspirations, even while pregnant. He also discusses why he thinks Michelle has been successful in the industry and how other women can be as well, whether they have support or not.
Thanks in part to Michelle’s prompting, Brian has recently hired a few women as sales reps and the internal sales manager at his company and he has been able to see the benefits first-hand of having more diverse perspectives. You also don’t want to miss out on the heated discussion about whether Michelle or her brother is a better engineer.
0:35 – How fathers and brothers can support women in construction.
1:54 – Brian’s career.
3:54 – How Brian felt about Michelle’s first career in construction.
6:27 – Michelle’s parents’ approach to difficult situations she encountered on the job site.
7:33 – Advice for parents with daughters wanting to go into the construction industry.
9:52 – Brian’s background.
11:22 – Michelle and her brother John’s entrepreneurial endeavour.
16:48 – The balance of good and bad times at work.
18:10 – How Michelle’s parents felt about her working on the job site while pregnant.
20:05 – Brian’s impression of how the industry has changed.
25:07 – Michelle asks about specific female hiring scenarios.
27:13 – Season 3 of the podcast will include interviews from women outside the construction industry who are also in male-dominated workplaces.
28:46 – Adjusting to the construction site environment.
29:34 – A controversial sibling rivalry question.
32:01 – The corruption that is prevalent in the construction industry.
35:00 – Michelle had to work a lot harder than some men to achieve what she has.
35:55 – What Brian sees for Michelle’s future.
“You can’t go into construction with a weak personality.”
“I don’t think anyone would attempt to go into it if they didn’t think they could make it.”
“Go with your gut feeling and give it a go.”
“You spend most of your life at work, so enjoy what you do.”
“There are more females coming into the industry but at mid-level.”
“Treat everybody the same, with respect, even those you don’t like.”
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On this episode of the This is a Man’s World, She Who Dares Wins podcast, our guest is Elly Hart, an Aussie carpenter living in Vancouver. After moving to Canada with her boyfriend several years ago, Elly tried to work remotely as a journalist for an Australian company, but she found it very difficult to write for an audience that was so far away. To relieve her stress about this situation and as a way of adjusting to a new country, she started tinkering around with woodworking, building things for around the house.
The thought occurred to her after she had converted her den into a workshop that perhaps she could turn her hobby into a sustainable source of income so she could quit her journalism job. She got plugged into the excellent pre-apprenticeship program in Canada that provided her with levels 1 and 2 training and 450 work hours as a way of getting her foot in the door of the carpentry and construction industry. Elly has worked for smaller companies her whole career, finding that the dynamics are better for her personality, and overall she has found that people are very tolerant and supportive of women in the trades in Canada.
Elly joins the chorus of women in the trades saying that more women should be encouraged to enter the trades, but there is a lack of female role models out there right now. Hopefully the trend will begin to shift and women will be motivated to seek training and employment in the trades as they see more women visibly involved on job sites. Elly points out that construction is not the ideal industry for everyone, but it can never hurt to try it out and see if it might be a good fit for you. She encourages women to not be intimidated by the lack of other women in the trades or the perception of the physical demands of construction, saying that you can do what you want to do.
2:07 – Elly’s journey to becoming a carpenter.
6:53 – How Elly felt when she entered the trades.
10:30 – The attitudes that Elly has encountered towards women in the trades in Canada.
15:34 – The benefits and drawbacks of working with smaller companies.
23:08 – How Elly hopes the industry changes in the next 20 years.
27:17 – Elly’s transparency through her Instagram posts.
31:54 – Conversation about project management.
37:48 – Physical manifestations of stress from the job.
40:55 – Construction is not for everyone.
45:47 – How Elly would give advice to women considering the trades.
47:20 – The physical side of working in construction.
51:08 – Elly is no longer an apprentice.
“Why couldn’t I do this full-time? Why couldn’t I make a living doing this?”
“Is there a reason why there are so few women visible in the trades?”
“You have to try it to really know for sure.”
“If I had stayed in Australia, I don’t think I would have ever ended up in the trades.”
“The fear of jumping into the trades totally comes from stereotypes – these generational ideas that trades are not meant for a woman.”
“We have a massive image problem in the trades.”
“Where you choose to start out from is very important for the rest of your career.”
“Don’t forget about the industry.”
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Rhian Evans, an Information Communication Technology consultant, joins us on this episode of the This is a Man’s World: She Who Dares Wins podcast. Rhian started out her adult life as a teacher before making a career move into the ICT area of the school construction industry. She is completely self-taught in the ICT business and she has found great success and fulfillment in this profession, even launching her own consultancy business 5 years ago.
She has pleasantly surprised with the industry overall and the increasing support that women on the job site are receiving, despite the negative and offensive experiences that have occurred as well. She is an advocate of implementing quotas in companies to ensure the optimal amount of diversity, both gender and cultural. With the increasing prevalence of the gender pay gap and #MeToo conversations in the world at large and in the construction industry in particular, Rhian believes that more women will be considered for positions that have typically been held by men and it will be more acceptable for young girls to aspire to careers in construction and the other trades as a result.
She encourages young girls and women alike to try out “non-traditional” careers in the hopes that some years down the road, all professions will be considered equally acceptable for both men and women. The more women that are out on the job site, the more girls will be inspired to follow in their footsteps. You never know if you will like the trades until you try.
0:48 – How Rhian got started in ICT work.
3:54 – Her transition from teaching into the construction industry.
5:58 – Advice for other women considering career changes.
8:01 – Making certain jobs more accessible to women.
10:03 – A discussion of quotas.
16:25 – Michelle’s experience in influencing her dad to hire more women in sales.
18:40 – The support for women in the industry doesn’t necessarily come from straight white men.
23:06 – How people react on site when they see women.
29:18 – Responding to verbal attacks or microaggressions.
31:07 – Practical steps for responding to mistreatment.
34:58 – Cultural differences Rhian has experienced.
39:57 – The benefit of experiencing other cultures.
44:49 – Advice for women considering getting into traditionally male dominated careers.
“I’ve had a massive learning curve because everything I do now I’ve basically taught myself.”
“Just by being there, we’re role models.”
“There are no men’s jobs and women’s jobs. There are just jobs.”
“Every company at some level benefits from diversity.”
“It’s too easy to hire someone just like you.”
“The construction industry is not going to get better unless women step up and go for the jobs.”
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On this episode of the This is a Man’s World: She Who Dares Wins podcast, our guest is Kelly Ireland, a commercial plumber based in Philadelphia, U.S.A. Kelly is one of 10 children and a 4th generation plumber. She never dreamed of following in her family’s footsteps, but when she needed a job to support her kids, she got some advice from her dad before entering into a pre-apprenticeship class and eventually applying to the Building Trades Union. She loves going to work every day because of the unique challenges and the rewards of the physical labor, particularly when driving past a completed project that she played a key role in building. While construction sites are still overwhelmingly male-dominated, Kelly does get to work with other women in the profession from time to time and she appreciates the comradery they all share. She enjoys getting to work with men who are supportive or neutral about women in the trades, and while it is never good to encounter prejudices and stereotypes, Kelly is always willing to put men in their place and stand up for herself and other women. Kelly has found great worldwide community through social media and she greatly enjoys getting to connect with other women in construction online as well as at events like the Women Build Nations event. She is also an advocate for the LGBTQ community, ensuring that they are not subject to stereotypes and discrimination and encouraging them to pursue their career goals despite what people may say or think. She encourages women considering a career move to look into the construction industry because of its physical and financial rewards and the fulfillment of a job well done.
Time Stamps: 1:12 – How Kelly got into plumbing. 3:11 – What it is like to be a 4th generation plumber. 7:24 – Entering into the plumbing industry. 12:04 – How Kelly’s kids feel about her being a plumber. 14:20 – The recent popularity of the trades. 16:13 – Kelly explains unions. 21:35 – Kelly’s perspective of the construction industry. 26:18 – Unfair judgments of women. 31:00 – The representation of women on the UK and US job sites. 34:30 – Connecting with other women in the trades through social media. 37:48 – Kelly’s desire to give a true representation of the industry in her posts. 44:47 – The down and dirty secrets about being a woman in the trades. 49:32 – Kelly’s advocacy for the LGBTQ community. 53:06 – The caveman mentality that plagues some job sites. 59:17 – How working on construction sites and motherhood overlap. 1:02:55 – Advice for other women considering getting into the trades.
Key Quotes: “No one looks at buildings the way construction workers do…I want to see buildings naked. I love the core of the building, the guts of it.” “In this country (the U.S.) we really undervalue labor work and trade work.” “I absolutely love going to work.” “Just as many men don’t belong in the trades as women.”
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An update on surviving a man's world of construction. It has been a while and now I am back with season 2! This is just a short intro to discuss everything that I have been up to as well as what you can expect from season 2. So happy to be back and welcome all you new listeners!
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Barbara Res, an engineer, author of “All Alone on the 68th Floor”, and former Vice President at the Trump Organization, joins us on this episode of the This is a Man’s World, She Who Dares Wins podcast. Barbara has truly blazed her own trail in the construction industry, the only woman in her electrical engineering program in college and one of the few women working on the Grand Hyatt construction project in New York City when it was being built. Donald Trump met her during her time working on that project and he liked her tenacity and drive so much that he hired her to work for him on the construction of Trump Tower.
She certainly experienced her fair share of harassment and prejudice from men around her, but she believes that it was all worth it to pave the way for the women that would come behind her in the industry. She learned to choose her battles and know when it was worth standing up for herself as opposed to when a situation was best ignored. While she wishes it didn’t have to be this way, she has seen the progress in the industry over the past nearly 4 decades and she sees a bright future for women entering the trades. Barbara has encountered some unexpected advocates for her and other women in engineering and construction along the way and she is glad that society is opening up to welcome women into more male-dominated professions.
1:18 – Michelle and Barbara met at the Women in Construction event.
2:30 – Barbara’s educational journey.
4:58 – How Barbara came to be hired by Donald Trump.
7:31 – How the industry has progressed since Barbara first entered it.
11:50 – Michelle’s story of recent situations she has faced.
17:26 – Barbara provides advice for young women entering the industry.
23:32 – Is it ok to want to be liked?
25:59 – Barbara’s perspective of men championing careers for women.
33:34 – What does Barbara think of quotas?
34:52 – Can you be a mom and work in construction?
41:43 – Having the right perspective when working as a woman in construction.
44:15 – What Barbara is currently working on.
46:12 – Advice for women considering jobs in the construction industry.
“The industry has certainly progressed, especially in terms of the law.”
“People don’t want women doing so-called ‘men’s work.’”
“You have to pick your spot. You might have to be a martyr but you also may be able to stand up for yourself.”
“At the end of the day, you have to respect yourself.”
“Whatever happens, it is not your fault.”
“Not everybody needs to be a CEO, but you need to know your capabilities.”
“If you make people happy, you’ll get more out of them.”
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Our guests on this episode of the This is a Man’s World: She Who Dares Wins podcast are Kate and Ella, plasterers, property developers, and sisters-in-law. After they had babies 4 months apart, they both realised that they wanted to have more control over their work lives and had a desire to go into property development. The first step of this career shift was to go through a plastering course while they were still on their maternity leaves, where they were the only women in the group.
After this course, they were hooked on the detail-oriented, tedious, and fulfilling work of plastering, so they started working with a builder on properties. Before long, they decided to start their own business which provided them with more flexibility and also the ability to cover for each other when needed and mandate that they will not work weekends. They have found this system to be tiring, but they are grateful for the incredible support from their families who help with the kids whenever needed.
As you may expect, they have quite a few stories of mishaps that were either funny at the time or funny only in hindsight, but Kate and Ella have learned that laughter helps ease even the most stressful of situations. They encourage girls and women considering learning a trade to just get out there and try it. You have nothing to lose and you could find your passion, as Kate and Ella have.
1:03 – Kate and Ella, plasterers, property developers, and sisters-in-law describe their journey into the trades.
2:56 – What it was like to start training for a new career during maternity leave.
4:10 – 6 months after taking their plastering course, they bought their first property to develop.
5:01 – What Kate and Ella’s previous professions were and how business is going now.
6:59 – Their perception of how customers accept them as women in the trades.
8:20 – Kate and Ella wish that they had given plastering or another trade a try sooner and they encourage other women to look into the trades as well.
10:35 – Their experience as women entering “a man’s world”.
13:07 – While it is exhausting to be self-employed, it provides Kate and Ella with more flexibility and they have set certain boundaries for themselves.
16:25 – What Kate and Ella think of working so closely together.
17:45 – They talk about some of their mishaps over the years.
21:51 – The hardest part for them is the work-life balance.
23:44 – They are both lucky to have supportive spouses and families who help them pick up the slack.
26:57 – Kate and Ella say that the key to plastering is “practice makes perfect.”
29:13 – They outline some of the helpful attributes or skills for people looking to become involved in plastering.
30:10 – A hilarious but tragic mishap on the job.
32:30 – They encourage girls who are considering getting into the trades to just go for it. You will know pretty quickly if it is right for you.
“Go for it. You’ve got nothing to lose.”
“The people you meet and banter you have with them is second to none.”
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On this episode of the This is A Man’s World podcast, our guest is Amy, a diesel fitter from Australia who is working in Antarctica this year. Amy describes her journey to becoming a diesel fitter and the long journey (literally and figuratively) that brought her to this station in Antarctica with 18 other people.
Her experience in Antarctica has been spectacular and one-of-a-kind, from her encounters with penguins and other wildlife to the auroras she has been able to witness to the team’s excursion to view the wreckage of a Russian aircraft nearby. In fact, the day before her 6-month assignment was set to be completed, she was asked to stay through the winter, so by the time she gets back home to Australia in December, she will have been away for 14 months.
Amy went through some training before moving to Antarctica to prepare her for the cold, and she has found that she has adjusted better than anticipated. That’s not to say that she won’t be glad to get back to the warmth of Australia, but this is fine for a season. It is difficult to be so far away from her friends and family with no ability to go home at will, but she and her team have become like family. They each have primary and secondary jobs at the station and they play games or do some exploring in their down time.
To any girl who is considering a profession in the trades, especially diesel fitting, Amy says “If you want to do it, make it happen.” There is no way of knowing if the career is right for you except for getting out there and giving it a try. The trades community is so supportive and a great resource for getting started and continuing to grow in your passion.
0:20 – Amy is a diesel fitter from Australia working an assignment in Antarctica for the duration of 2019. She describes her path to get here.
1:45 – Amy’s impression of Antarctica.
2:03 – How Amy got into repairing and maintaining heavy machinery.
3:57 – Her experience working the service side of things after her apprenticeship.
5:05 – How she handles working in the trades and the community she has found, despite only encountering 2 other women in the 10 years in her field.
6:32 – Amy describes the journey to get to Antarctica.
8:15 – How has she found the transition between Australia and Antarctica?
9:25 – While she is equipped with common tools and parts, sometimes she has to make a specialty part for a specific fix.
10:35 – Amy talks about the various transportation methods they use.
11:32 – There are 19 of them living and working at the station, so they spend all of their time together. What do they do? What do they miss most from Australia?
12:58 – What is the purpose of the station? How is the work split up?
14:18 – Amy recounts some of her experiences with the wildlife in the area.
17:02 – When she gets home in December, Amy plans to adjust to Australian weather and all of the people!
18:12 – Amy’s advice to any girl considering becoming a diesel fitter.
19:26 – What is her greatest accomplishment and sacrifice?
20:06 – The curious patterns of the sun in Antarctica.
23:38 – Every team member at the station has a secondary job, since the station operates like a tiny town.
25:13 – What has Amy learned about physical labor?
26:18 – Amy talks about her plans for the future after this assignment is completed.
“It’s quite a spectacular place. Very unique.”
“There’s no way home. Once that ship leaves, you’re here until the ship comes back.”
“If you want to do it, make it happen.”
“Work smart, not hard.”
“I am opening myself up to opportunity.”
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Our guest on this episode of the This is a Man’s World podcast is Dana Francis, a mom, steamfitter/pipe-fitter, apprentice welder, and podcaster. Dana got into the trades when she realised that she needed a bit more financial stability than she currently had in construction retail. She was accepted into the Women Building Futures program and quickly realised that this would be a much better situation for herself and her family.
Always one to appreciate a hard day’s work, Dana has found fulfilment in her career and encourages other women to learn more about the trades industry. Dana and Michelle swap stories about their experiences on the job site, appropriate and inappropriate treatment they have received, and the varying levels of support for women in the trades they have observed. It is interesting how even the simple act of wearing makeup is perceived, and Dana and Michelle discuss what it is like to be a woman, a mom, and a tradeswoman.
Dana encourages other women who are in the trades or considering a career in the trades to stick with it if it is what you really want to do and be open-minded about taking new opportunities. Don’t be frightened off by the long work hours but find a schedule that will work for you and your family, especially if you have children in daycare. It is important for women to continue to seek employment in the trades and to support each other along the way.
0:41 – Dana Francis is a steamfitter/pipe-fitter and apprentice welder and she hosts the Career Pod podcast – she describes her journey to get here.
2:16 – How Dana knew she needed to get into the trades.
3:42 – The Women Building Futures program in Canada was the jumpstart she needed to get into her new career.
6:00 – Dana emphasises the importance of employers supporting women in the trades.
6:51 – Is it difficult for women to start careers in the trades in their 30’s?
9:21 – Can only certain types of women survive in the trades industry?
10:56 – Has Dana received any special treatment being a woman on the job site?
12:34 – Dana’s experience working with other women on site.
16:24 – Advice to women entering the trades.
21:47 – Dana’s preference for extreme cold weather over extreme hot weather.
23:29 – How they deal with bears and cougars on site.
25:35 – Dana’s assessment of how the trades industry is doing in Canada.
27:34 – How Dana navigates home/life balance as a mom.
30:30 – The sleep deprivation and physical damage that new moms are dealing with are really impairments to their effective work life.
32:35 – Dana talks about her passion for diversity and inclusion in the workplace.
34:39 – Advice to women considering a career in the trades.
“I think you can pretty much start at any age.”
“You have to be able to navigate different social situations at work.”
“I don’t ever want to think that there is not room for improvement.”
“I have to find a way to laugh at myself every day because if not I am taking my job too seriously.”
“Once your foot is in the door, make sure you’re holding the door for someone else.”
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On this episode of This is a Man’s World, we are joined by Chelsea Smith, a welder in the US. Chelsea’s interest in welding began as a supplemental skill at autobody school, but she soon realized that she loved being able to create just about anything from a plain piece of steel. After receiving her Associate’s degree in welding, she got married, had a baby, and picked up a few odd jobs, but when her son went to kindergarten she decided it was time to pick welding back up and get on the job market.
She certainly experienced her share of resistance from potential employers for being a woman in welding, but she aced the tests to get a job building cement mixers, so she was officially in the industry. That job was a good experience-builder, but there were just a few too many things going on there that Chelsea was not comfortable with, so she started “rage job hunting.” It’s a good thing she did, because she found her “unicorn job” which provides her with the satisfaction of accomplishing a lot while having plenty of flexibility and independence.
Chelsea doesn’t personally know any other female welders, but she is encouraged by the work of women in other trades and she looks forward to seeing more women in the welding field before long. She encourages women to just give it a try to see if welding might be for them, and she encourages employers to give women a fair shot at the welding jobs they have available.
1:09 – Introduction of Chelsea Smith
1:28 – Chelsea originally went to autobody school, but found her love for welding and switched
2:11 – Currently, she builds steamer ovens for cafeterias and buffets, but she used to build cement trucks
3:07 – She went to community college and got her Associate’s degree in welding, then struggled to find a professional welding job
3:52 – Chelsea got married right after college and ran into her first employment roadblocks
5:11 – She was discouraged, but soon had a baby and decided to stay home with him until he was in kindergarten
6:30 – Getting out of your comfort zone and taking that first step opens up a new world
7:31 – Chelsea describes her previous and current workplaces
9:23 – The worst thing about her previous employer was the unsafe working conditions
13:31 – Michelle and Chelsea talk about their experiences with unsafe working conditions and the disregard for human life in some situations
16:20 – Sometimes when the big burly men are too intimidated to say something to the production manager, it has to be the woman to get up the courage and confront the issue
17:16 – As the only female in either of her professional welding jobs, Chelsea has learned how to stand up for herself and get along with the guys
19:15 – Chelsea provides advice to women in welding or one of the trades and brings in some interesting statistics about positions men and women are willing to apply for
23:39 – Attitudes that Chelsea has encountered about women being in the trade
26:45 – Chelsea and her husband’s similar workplaces create the opportunity for good conversations
30:19 – Examples of men who have been unwilling to work with women on the job site
31:58 – Chelsea shares a crazy story of when a go-kart caught on fire and almost landed on her while she was fixing it
36:25 – What Chelsea really loves about welding
37:19 – Chelsea’s advice to women considering a profession in welding
38:24 – What Chelsea wants employers of women in the trades to keep in mind
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Hey folks and welcome to the “This Is A Man's World” podcast. This first episode is all about me, your host Michelle Hands. I am a UK based construction site engineer and today I break the silence on what it is like surviving in a man's world of construction. Join me for the ride as I expose some home truths about my 12-year journey. I'm sharing both the shocking and down right hilarious stories as well as giving a little insight into how I've navigated a career in a male dominated industry. For all future episodes, I'll be talking to like-minded guests as we share experiences and put the world to right about our industries and the future of women within them.
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