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Skeptics and Seekers Sunday Sermon (4S)

By David Johnson
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Skeptics and Seekers Sunday Sermon (4S)

4S Supplemental: Arely Naomi Proctor, age 3, brutally murdered during an exorcism
Still think the doctrine about demons is harmless? This story should inform you of why it matters. Weep!
May 16, 2022
Episode 19: Mike Winger on Progressive Christianity
This is how fundies talk about progressives.
May 14, 2022
4S and friends discussing demons
I gathered a few friends to talk about what we were taught about demons, and to see if we could make the doctrine more coherent. Hilarity ensued. 
May 07, 2022
Episode 14: A moment of reflection
There is no sermon this week. I took the opportunity to reflect on some of the sermons we have recently heard. Enjoy. 
April 30, 2022
Episode 13: Demons from a UMC Perspective
These folks aren't particularly out there. But they still have to deal with demons. Here's how they do it. Enjoy. 
April 25, 2022
Episode 12: Why did Jesus speak in parables? (speaker unknown)
I will be doing a deep dive on this subject in a Red Letters supplemental in a few days. It will be free to all at: In this sermon, look out for the double standards and special pleading. 
April 16, 2022
Episode 11 with Billy Graham on Spiritual Warfare
Graham was a towering figure of religious power and influence in his day. Revisiting a sermon from his younger days shows how poorly that brand of Christianity has aged. It simply doesn't hold up unless you are already a believer, or already accept the fundamental assumptions of Christianity. He simply wouldn't have gotten away with the BSC he routinely spouted were he faced with counter-apologists and counter-theologians of today. This will give you some idea of just how much unchallenged influence Christians had on society in his time. Enjoy.
April 09, 2022
Episode 10 with John Lindell on the gift of healing
Do you need a healing? John will tell you why you didn't get it.
April 02, 2022
Episode 9: John Piper on John 3:16
Hold on to your seats...
March 26, 2022
Episode 8: Jeff Durbin on Objections to Calvinism
The title says it all.
March 20, 2022
Episode 7: Jeff Durbin on Calvinism
Jeff is a good speaker who has no trouble holding your interest. This is a piece of a longer sermon which is a piece of a longer series on Calvinism. This one is on god's sovereignty. 
March 12, 2022
Episode 6 with Tony Evans Telling You to Stop Blocking Your Miracle
If you are not getting the miracle god let you to expect, it's probably your fault according to this week's sermon. 
March 06, 2022
Supplemental with Andrew on our History with the Church of Christ
This is where I come from. Here you go.
March 01, 2022
Episode 5: Mike Mazzalongo
This one is from my old denominational stomping grounds: Church of Christ. They are just as regressive as I remember. Andrew and I did a supplemental on this one that I will air later this week. Enjoy:
February 27, 2022
Episode 4: Unknown Catholic Priest on Discipleship Salt of the Earth, and Performative Piety
If anyone knows the name of this person, please leave it in the comments. 
February 20, 2022
Episode 4: with a Sermon from Glen Staples on Why all the evil and suffering is necessary
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February 13, 2022
Episode 2: Creflo Dollar on Giving
Do you want to know what average Christians in the pews are hearing about giving? Here is a popular preacher telling it like it is. Enjoy.
February 06, 2022
Why Does Jesus Want Us to Pray, and What Should Our Expectations Be When We Do?
Both sides get this wrong. That's because it is complicated and unclear. I have a unique theory about prayer that I spend the first hour unfolding. Let me know what you think. Enjoy.
January 28, 2022
Why Does There Need to Be a Hell, and What the Hell Is Heaven?
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January 21, 2022
4S 0.05: A Christian Explains Why Moral Reasoning Does Not Apply to Trusting God
Andrew joins me in the pew to discuss this week's sermon. It's isn't really a sermon. But that's okay because it isn't really the first episode. Enjoy.
January 20, 2022
Why Did Jesus Have to Come at All, And Why Does He Need to Come Again?
The podcast this week is the same one presented to patreon members at it is free through the month of January. After that, it is a $1 per member podcast. Don’t worry. There will be a free podcast right here called 4S which stands for Skeptics and Seekers Sunday sermon. Check out last weeks show for the complete lowdown. This seems like an easy set of questions until you really start to interact with them. The problem is that most Christians really haven't. They either have no answers, or too many contradictory answers. You'll get my longer writeup in the newsletter. See you in the comments…
January 14, 2022
Skeptics and Seekers Sunday Sermon (4S)
S&S is changing for the better. Hear all about it. 
January 03, 2022
Abortion with Darren and Mac
This is the final show for S&S. Thanks for being a part of it. 
August 29, 2021
We hear from the experts. May god and nature bless them all. 
July 30, 2021
Satan: God of this world (The Skeptics'. View) -- Satan: The Summoning
The first show is the skeptic response to the Christians' take on Satan. The second show is an irreverent and potentially offensive stunt to summon a demon. Hint: It didn't work. At least, we don't think it did.
June 27, 2021
Satan: God of this world
What do Christians think about Satan and does it make any sense to skeptics?
June 20, 2021
In the Eye of the Beholder
Dale defends the argument from beauty.
June 12, 2021
Let's Talk About Sex with David Russell and David Johnson
You might be surprised at how much agreement there was. 
June 05, 2021
Spiritual Harm and Unnatural Sex Acts: Dale Explains
This is the part where Dale explains his theories more fully.
June 01, 2021
Theology of Sex
This show discusses sex from a Christian perspective. 
May 30, 2021
Let's Talk About Sex with Andrew and David J
This conversation is only the beginning.
May 24, 2021
A Time to Kill (Finale) with Bryan and David
Thanks to everyone for following this series. 
May 15, 2021
Suicide and Euthanasia with David J. Teddi, and Matt
Despite the harsh bickering, Teddi and David are friends who share mutual respect. We frequently communicate behind the scenes. 
May 09, 2021
Suicide and Euthanasia with David and Andrew
This was supposed to be at the end of the next podcast. But I decided to move it up to be a separate show to start off the broader conversation with the panel.
May 04, 2021
Death Penalty
You are not going to want to miss this one.
May 02, 2021
War and Self Defense
As it turns out, war is good for something.
May 01, 2021
It went exactly how you think it went.
April 24, 2021
A Time to Kill with David J. and David R.
This is the first show in a series. 
April 17, 2021
Marriage: A Conversation between David R and David J.
We found a lot of agreement at the end. You will have to listen to see how it turned out.
April 10, 2021
Marriage Supplemental: Children and Divorce with David J. and Andrew
This one gets pretty radical. 
April 07, 2021
What God Has Joined Together: A Closer Look at the Institution of Marriage
Here is why I am not fond of the institution of marriage.
April 03, 2021
Why Worship Doesn't Work for Me (Finale) David Russell, Kaleb, Darren, Sarah, David Johnson
This was an excellent finish to a fun series. Bryan showed up for only a moment. But his contribution was much appreciated. Enjoy.
March 27, 2021
Why Worship Doesn’t Work for Me (Sarah)
Sarah was on her second beer when the podcast started. I went through 2 tissues laughing disgracefully. And somewhere along the way, worship was defined as kacking one's pants. I disavow any responsibility for the recording you are about to hear.
March 26, 2021
Why Worship Doesn’t Work for Me
I was actually surprised by the answer...
March 26, 2021
If We Suddenly Believed: How Atheists Would Respond to the Living God (Matthew)
This is the first one on one conversation Matthew and I have ever had. I hope you enjoy it as much as we did. Expect more.
March 25, 2021
If Skeptics Knew for Sure That God Was Real...
Would skeptics worship if they knew god existed? 
March 21, 2021
Hidden: A Thought From Those of Us Who Sought but Did Not Find
David and David do a classic show where David is trounced. You will have to decide which David that was.
March 21, 2021
Teching the Tech Part 2
If you get through the real discussion, there is some bonus BSC at the end where Teddi, Darren, and I are the only ones left standing. By that point, we tossed out all pretenses of decorum. A good time had by all.
March 14, 2021
Teching the Tech
This is a chance to hear a group of Christians and atheists talk about something other than religion. This is the one where we let our geek flags fly. Enjoy.
March 07, 2021
Epistemology Extravaganza Finale with Bryan, David J. and Lurkers
If you made it this far into the series, you might as well listen to this one, too.
February 28, 2021
Epistemology Part 4: The Christians Have Their Say
We had a great panel of Christians to take apart what the skeptics had to say. Find out how they did. 
February 21, 2021
Epistemology Part 3: Skeptics View
Last-minute change of plans. 4 Skeptics came together to show how we do epistemology. The Christians are up next week.
February 14, 2021
Epistemology Part 2: Panel Discussion 2 of 2
This is the second part of the discussion picked up from part 1.
February 07, 2021
Epistemology Part 2: Mac Attack, Darren, Dale, Andrew, David Russell, David Johnson (1 of 2)
This show had to be split into two parts. This is part 1 of 2.
February 07, 2021
Epistemology Part 1: Supplemental
This is the show we kept referring to. We had to bail on it because of technical difficulties. You can hear all of it we were able to salvage. 
January 31, 2021
Epistemology Part 1: David Russell, David Johnson, and Andrew
This is just an introduction intended to open the can of worms known as epistemology. Enjoy
January 31, 2021
Comment Section
Bryan and David dive into the comments to find the best discussions from the past few weeks.
January 23, 2021
Questioning Christianity
We were expecting a bloodbath. Instead, we ended up having a very reasonable conversation. We'll try to do better next time. :)
January 16, 2021
Children of God: Dave Pegg Sarah, David Russell, and David Johnson
This one gets a little heated. 
January 09, 2021
Superhero Show Part 2 of 2
This is the one where we get serious, kind of.
January 02, 2021
Superhero Show Part 1 of 2
After lengthy introductions, we break up into teams no one expected to be on, debating a side they didn't know they were going to debate. We take on the concept of vigilantism. Only you can decide which team won. 
December 25, 2020
Resurrection and Alien Abductions
I was a guest on Russell's show: PoA. We had a nice 2 on 2 formal debate and a good discussion.
December 12, 2020
Does Christianity Have Anything Useful to Say About Current Events? (Skeptics View)
The usual skeptic suspects come together to kibitz about current events. What do they say about packing the courts, and other hot-button topics? Find out. 
December 05, 2020
Happy Thanksgiving from the S&S Family
We do Thanksgiving S&S style.
November 26, 2020
Christianity: A Private Faith or a Public Crusade?
The Davids discuss the merits and drawbacks of Christianity being a public crusade. 
November 21, 2020
All Possible Worlds: an exploration of sci-fi/fantasy, and why it has had such an impact on our lives
David, Matt, Darren, and Andrew deep dive into their favorite and least favorite universes, and what we can learn from them. 
November 15, 2020
Politics Round 2
The Davids pick up a couple of allies. Titus returns to side with Johnson while Teddi teams up with Russell. Enjoy.
November 08, 2020
Christianity: Useful Fiction? With Erin Burnett
One David says Christianity is not fiction. The other David says it's not useful. You will have to tune in to see what Erin has to say.
October 31, 2020
God and Country: The Politics of Religion and the Religion of Politics
The Davids find themselves on different sides of the political battle. Shocker! We didn't actually talk about current politics. We discussed the theology of politics. Enjoy.
October 25, 2020
How Atheists Read the Bible, and Why It's Pointless
David and Andrew chat about how atheists approach reading the bible.
October 17, 2020
Slaves for Christ: A brief look at biblical slavery
This is a heated conversation between 4 type A-hole personalities. We were rude, noisy, and talked over each other constantly. None of us covered ourselves in glory. And we apologize for nothing. Yep, it was that kind of show. Enjoy.
October 10, 2020
Randal Rauser and His Inner Atheist
Much apologies for my audio issues. Hopefully, they will be ironed out for the next show. Also, much thanks to Randal for answering some tough questions about his latest book. Finally, big welcome to the new Christian cohost, David Russell.
October 03, 2020
Comment Section Season 2 Wrap-Up with Bryan and David J
Thanks for a great season. 
September 26, 2020
Morality Finale Part 2 of 2
This is part 2. Please listen to part 1 first. 
August 31, 2020
Morality Finale Part 1 of 2
Thanks to all for their participation. This is just the first half of the conversation. It is continued in Part 2.
August 31, 2020
4 Christians Talk Morality
Special thanks to David Russell for putting this together and making it happen. 
August 29, 2020
Daniel the Preacher with Darren and Matt
This might well be the best of the series so far. You decide. We haven't heard the last from Daniel on S&S
August 26, 2020
Matt, Darren, and David: Moral Naturalism
Sorry about the poor sound quality and thanks for your patience. 
August 24, 2020
Teddi and Darren on the Morality of Homosexuality
This is exactly what the more twisted among you have been waiting for, me included. :)
August 23, 2020
Moral Epistemology with David Johnson and David Russell
Hint: This is a foreshadowing of what to expect in season 3.
August 22, 2020
Moral Ontology: Vaal and Dale
This one was worth the wait.
August 20, 2020
Marvin: Morality, the Ultimate Dilemma
Welcome to Marvin. We tackled an issue so big, we didn't even try to cover all the basis. We will come back to discuss it more, next time, with friends.
August 06, 2020
Young Earth?
A big welcome back to Dale and an even bigger congratulations on his being accepted into the master's program. 
August 06, 2020
Mac Attack Part 2 of 2
This is the second part of a conversation already in progress. Pleas look for part 1 and listen to that one first. Enjoy.
July 22, 2020
Mac Attack: Conservatively Speaking Part 1 of 2
This is a long conversation broken up in two parts. There were no losers in this conversation. But I win anyway. :) This thing might be rigged. 
July 22, 2020
Chris Date: Tiptoe Through the TULIP, and other Calvinist Ideas
You don't know Calvinism until you know Chris Date on Calvinism.
June 19, 2020
Two White Guys and Two Black Guys Talk About Race
This one is as tough as you think it is.
June 12, 2020
Mark Karris: Fundamentally Progressive
Mark does not call himself a progressive. But when you here him talk, you will see why he is the embodiment of the progressive revolution. 
June 07, 2020
Surviving Corona with David Russell: Lessons Learned from Pandemics Past
The two Davids went after it on what we can learn from history.
May 30, 2020
Comment Section
Bryan and David highlight some of their favorite comments from the last few weeks. 
May 29, 2020
Surviving Corona with Natalie Colins
Natalie is one of my favorite human beings. Find out why. Enjoy.
May 22, 2020
A Conversation with Chase
This was a really fun conversation. You will not want to miss it.
May 17, 2020
Surviving Corona: Matt, Sarah, and David discuss the skeptics views in the book
We did all the skeptics together in one go. We will be doing interviews with the Christian authors one at a time. Enjoy.
May 16, 2020
After Show
Bryan, Dale, and David dig in a little deeper on the argument from Design and ID.
May 12, 2020
Argument from Design: Scientifically Speaking, with David Pallmann
David P wanted to have a purely scientific conversation and forgo theology. David J wanted to have a theological conversation and forgo the science. Something had to give. 
May 09, 2020
Hell Round 2 After Show
Dale, Darren, Bryan, and David
May 05, 2020
Round 2 Discussion on Hell: Skeptics' View
It took 6 skeptics to counter three Christians on hell.
May 01, 2020
Three Christians Discuss Hell: Dale Glover, Chris Date, and David Russell
Join the conversation at
April 25, 2020
Resurrection After Show with Bryan and David
Bryan and David deconstruct David's conversation with Jonathan McLatchie on Unbelievable. 
April 14, 2020
Shroud Wars REBOOT with Teddi and Hugh
This one is just for you shroudies. Happy Easter. 
April 10, 2020
Thomas Oord: In Cooperation with God
What a fantastic conversation. I hope you love it as much as I did.
April 04, 2020
Time to geek out.
March 28, 2020
David Russell: Testing God
March 20, 2020
X-tians: Aftershow with Bryan
Bryan sifts through his copious notes and shares some of his thoughts on the subject. 
March 17, 2020
X-tians Part Two: How to keep the ones you have, and reclaim the ones you lost
The band gets back together to do one of the toughest jobs an atheist can do: We came up with practical ideas for how the church can keep more of its members from leaving. It was a rather emotional journey. Enjoy!
March 13, 2020
X-tians: What Christians Who Stay Need to Know About the Christians Who Don’t
Four former Christians talk about why they left. They also speculate on why so many others are leaving. Christians will want to pay close attention to this one. Look for part 2 coming soon...
March 12, 2020
A conversation with David Kemball Cook: The journey, the bible, and the hard problem of consciousness
Forget the topics. This was just a great conversation. Enjoy.
March 06, 2020
Deal Breakers
Among other things, Robert and David discuss single-issue dealbreakers that make Christianity untenable. Being a Christian, Robert naturally disagrees. He also goes into detail about his epistemology underpinning his beliefs. Enjoy.
February 27, 2020
Pascal: Aftershow
Robert and David pick at the bones of the discussion. 
February 23, 2020
Pascal: All In
After this show, are you ready to wager? Bryan, Teddi, Robert, and David roll the dice.
February 23, 2020
Atheist Heaven
The first half of the show explains why many atheists don't care for the Christian heaven. But can we do better? Let's find out:
February 14, 2020
Robert Stanley Director's Cut
A few thoughts that didn't make it into the podcast. Enjoy.
February 07, 2020
Robert Stanley and Dale on the Bible: Unclear, at Best
Given the best gloss one can put on the bible, it comes out unclear, at best. Dale disagrees, I think. Perhaps you will hear it differently. 
February 05, 2020
An Honest Search for God
Did David go too far in his honest search for god? Let's find out:
January 31, 2020
Granting God
What happens when three skeptics try to grant that the Christian god is real? Probably not what you think. Check it out. 
January 24, 2020
Titus: Spreading the Good News
What does our new Christian host sound like? I don't know. But it might sound a lot like Titus. We'll see.
January 17, 2020
Darren: Prove It!
Darren and David have a surprisingly thoughtful and thought provoking discussion about evidence, reason, and faith.
January 11, 2020
Part 2 of 2 Teddi v. Sarah
This is the second part of a discussion already in progress. Please go back and listen to part 1 if you have not already.
January 02, 2020
Teddi v. Sarah Part 1 of 2
Teddi presents a shroud-first Christianity. And Sarah is not having any of it. 
January 02, 2020
The Conversation
Everyone join in welcoming Bryan to the podcast. He went from commenter to microphone. And you can too. All are welcome to the conversation. 
December 28, 2019
Part 2 of 2 The Big Miracle Show
This is the second part of the discussion already in progress from part 1.
December 21, 2019
Part 1 of 2 The Big Miracle Show
Special guests include Teddi, Sarah, Andrew, and Matthew.
December 21, 2019
Supplemental- Identifying and Evaluating Miracles of God- Dale's Intro Speech
This Sat Dec 21st will be the ultimate show down on Miracles of God.  That said, that is David's show and so I will mostly be a reactive puppet to his plans for the show and won't have time to give my full case.  Thus, I wanted to provide my opening case in my own words in a solo show- How does one go about Identifying and Evaluating Miracles of God in general.  I argue that the Specified Complexity" criteria of Intelligent Design proponent Dr. William Dembski is the key. Plus, I give my brief take on modern Miracle Healings specifically as requested by the Skeptic.
December 18, 2019
Ex Nihilo, Ex Materia
This one turned out to be more interesting than David thought it would. :)
December 14, 2019
Moral Epistemology- The Issue Christians Don’t Want to Talk About
Dale had to cut out early. So Andrew and I chatted for an hour and a half after the show. Don't miss it. 
December 07, 2019
Plausibility of Miracles
Dale believes that Skeptics are wrong for dismissing the possibility of miracles out of hand. Dale has to make that case against three skeptics on the show. Who said life was fair?
November 30, 2019
A Well-lived Life Without God
Is it possible to live a good life without god? Let's find out.
November 23, 2019
Part 2 of 2 Trinity Coherence
There is nothing left to say about the trinity.
November 17, 2019
Part 1 of 2 Trinity Coherence
Everything you wanted to know about the trinity and were too afraid to ask.
November 17, 2019
Reasonable Disbelief
Both David and Dale make separate arguments about the reasonableness of disbelief. Who had the most compelling argument? You decide. 
November 07, 2019
Would the trinity have made sense to our Old Testament brethren? 
November 03, 2019
Tony Costa
A great-making episode. :)
October 25, 2019
Prayer: Why Applying Critical Analysis to Magical Thinking Is a Waste of Time
There are reasons prayer claims almost never convince skeptics.. Enjoy. 
October 20, 2019
S2 Randal Rauser
Randal and I both agree that the universe is really old. However, that presents a real theological problem from which Christianity cannot recover. That is what we don't agree on. 
October 11, 2019
S2E2 Dr. Michael Brown: Man with a Plan
Doc Brown talks Jewish redemption, human sexuality, and spiritual workings of the miraculous. This couldn't possibly end well. 
October 06, 2019
S2E1 Apologetics Review
Dale and David have to scramble as their scheduled guest had a last-minute cancelation, leaving them to wing it. 
September 28, 2019
Christian Hate Speech or Tough Love?
Dale and David discuss whether sharing Christian doctrine and truth with non-believers is "Hate Speech" or simply "Tough Love".
September 22, 2019
Season 2 Premiere- Is There a "Real" Christianity?
Kicking things off for Season 2 of S&S, David (the skeptic) makes the claim that there is no such thing as a real "Orthodox Christianity".
September 14, 2019
S2 Supplemental- Jesus Mythicism Debated- Dale vs. Mythicist Kevin Francis on R2R
Robert Stanley of the Right to Reason Podcast hosts both Dale (Christian/Jesus Historicist)and Kevin Francis (atheist/Jesus Mythicist from the Left at the Valley Podcast) to discuss the subject of Jesus Mythicism- did Jesus really exist or not?  Listen and find out!
August 18, 2019
S2 Supplemental- Dale's University Professor Paul Bali Guest Stars on 4A
Dale and his philosophy professor Paul Bali guest star on the Ask an Atheist Anything Podcast (4A) with Andrew and Matt to discuss freedom of expression, philosophy, science and religion.  Its a must listen folks!
August 12, 2019
Summer 2019 Special on Faith
Here is a bonus episode during our summer hiatus- David and Dale discuss what it means to have "faith" in a Christian context.
August 11, 2019
S2 Supplemental: Jesus Mythicism Refuted (Part 1)- Evaluating Non-Christian Ancient Historian Sources
In Part 1 of this series on Jesus Mythicism, I evaluate the evidence from 4-5 ancient historians; Thallus & Phlegon, Cornelius Tacitus, Suetonius and Flavius Josephus to see if they can provide positive proof that an historical Jesus probably did exist.  Do any of them accomplish this aim?- Based on at least 2/5 of these ancient historians, the answer is a resounding "Yes"!
August 02, 2019
Episode 48: A discussion on Healing
This is just a little something to hold you over.
July 01, 2019
Post Season 1 Supplemental: Right to Reason Podcast- Robert Stanley and Dale Discuss the Morality of the Abraham Test & the Flood
Dale Glover (Christian) guest stars on Robert Stanley's atheist show, the Right to Reason Podcast.  We discuss the moral foundation and justification for God ordering Abraham being willing to sacrifice his son and God's Flooding the Earth.  There were some interesting twists and turns that came up with some of our thought-experiments and real life examples each of us used in making our case but at the end of the day, it was a great convo all around :)
June 08, 2019
Supplemental- Interview Assessing the Shroud's Bloodstains with Shroud Agnostic Dr. Kelly Kearse
Scientist, immunologist and fellow Christian Dr. Kelly Kearse, joins the show to discuss the nature of the Shroud's bloodstains in relation to its authenticity and possible image-formation mechanisms (supernatural vs. natural).  As a Shroud agnostic, I think Kelly offers something interesting and informative no matter what side of the debate you stand on.
June 07, 2019
Episode 47: Finale
David and Dale slip their leashes and go on and on and on and.... This is going to take a while. Enjoy.
May 19, 2019
Episode 46: Helen Paynter
We debate biblical violence. Enough said.
May 11, 2019
Episode 45: Craig Keener
Dr. Keener talks about the historicity of the book of Acts.
May 05, 2019
Supplemental- Shroud Wars Round 4- Joe Marino vs. Hugh Farey
Listen to the 4th installment of the Shroud Wars debates series with Hugh Farey (Shroud skeptic) vs. Joe Marino (Pro-Shroud)- topics include the invisible reweave theory against the 1988 C-14, the Shroud as an artistic object and discussion on the medical/forensics evidences from the Shroud.
April 28, 2019
Anthony Magnabosco: Taking it to the streets
We welcome Anthony Magnabosco who provides a demonstration of street epistemology. 
April 27, 2019
Episode 43: Risen Indeed?
Do Christians really care about resurrection as much as they do? 
April 20, 2019
Supplemental- Shroud Wars Round 3- Bob Rucker vs. Hugh Farey
In the third installment of our Shroud Wars debate series, two Shroud experts, Bob Rucker (Pro-Shroud) and Hugh Farey (Shroud Skeptic) go head to head to battle it out on the 1988 C-14 dating and how the images may or may not have been formed artistically.
April 20, 2019
Episode 42: Luis Dizon:
Special guest Luis Dizon went from being one of the leading Protestant preachers to a member of the Catholic church. Find out what else is interesting about him. 
April 13, 2019
Supplemental- Dale on Ask an Atheist Anything- When does the Atheist Bear the Burden of Proof
Dale is a guest on the "Ask an Atheist Anything" Podcast with hosts Andrew and Matt to probe when does the Atheist bear the burden of proof; topics range from discussing Bayes Theorem to the shifting of the burden of proof and the nature of defeaters (includes back and forth on Dale's critically acclaimed Molinistic Defeater).
April 09, 2019
Episode 41: Doctrine of God Series- The Coherence of Christian Theism- Part 2 (Christian View)
Dale does his best to make the traditional properties of god make sense.
April 07, 2019
Episode 40: Why I Stopped Caring About What the Bible Says, and Why You Should Too (Part 6)
Consider this a preview to our upcoming shows on biblical violence which upcoming guests. 
March 30, 2019
Episode 39: Lydia McGrew
Lydia McGrew stops by to school us on why she thinks the gospels were historical accounts. Class is in session.
March 23, 2019
Episode 38: Natalie Collins
Does god speak directly to you? He speaks to this week's guest.
March 16, 2019
Supplemental- Substance Dualism Series Part 4
This is the final part of my lecture series on Substance Dualism (i.e. the existence of the soul).  Here we look at 4 skeptical arguments against the existence of the soul and evaluate 4 main physicalist theories of what the conscious subject entails.  
March 15, 2019
Episode 37 Drew Sokol
Drew is on the fence. Can Dale and David tip him one way or the other? 
March 08, 2019
Episode 36: David Smalley: 5 Topics
What happens when Dale meets David Smalley in a surprise debate? Find out.
March 01, 2019
Episode 35: Sean McDowell
Latest episode of Skeptics and Seekers
February 22, 2019
Supplemental- Substance Dualism Series Part 3
This is Part 3 of series on Substance Dualism- here we address the second issue of contention of the Mind-Body Problem- proving the existence of a non-physical conscious subject.
February 21, 2019
Episode 34: Why I Stopped Caring About What the Bible Says, and Why You Should too (Part 5)
Latest episode of Skeptics and Seekers
February 16, 2019
Episode 33: Why I Stopped Caring About What the Bible Says, and Why You Should too (Part 4)
This is really a continuation of Part 3, the best of what Jesus had to say.
February 08, 2019
Episode 32: Why I Stopped Caring About What the Bible Says, and Why You Should too (Part 3)
David is all alone at S&S headquarters. And he goes completely off the chain for over an hour. Some people were never meant to go solo.
February 02, 2019
Episode 31: Why I Stopped Caring About What the Bible Says, and Why You Should too (Part 2)
David makes his second case for why he stopped caring about the bible, and why you should too. He tries to make the case that no one can really understand it. 
January 26, 2019
Episode 30: The Truth About Truth (Seeker's View) C. J. Morgan
Welcome special guest C. J. Morgan
January 25, 2019
Supplemental- Substance Dualism Series Part 2
This is the second part of the series on substance dualism- here we assess the nature of mental properties and states (the first issue of contention of the Mind-Body Problem).
January 22, 2019
Episode 29: Gary Habermas
David and Dale are in conversation with Gary Habermas: the dean of doubt.
January 20, 2019
Supplemental- Substance Dualism Series Part 1
This is the first of 4 supplemental episodes on the nature and existence of the human soul (i.e. substance dualism); this will be an general introduction to the series and provide an explanation as to what the Christian position of substance dualism is about.
January 17, 2019
Episode 28: Mike Licona
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January 12, 2019
Still Unbelievable: Gender
Sarah, Andrew, and David take Justin and his guests to task on the subject of gender roles.
January 06, 2019
Episode 27: Doctrine of God Series- The Coherence of Christian Theism (Part 1)
Dale tries to make a case for god based on his attributes being logically possible. 
January 05, 2019
Episode 26: Why I don't Care What the Bible Says, and Why You Shouldn't Either
David makes a case for why the bible is not worth considering. Let's see how he does. 
December 29, 2018
Episode 25: Christmas Roundtable
Not exactly the most wonderful time of the year.
December 23, 2018
Episode 24: Messianic Prophecies- The Case for Jesus (Part 4)
Dale makes his final case on the basis of Daniel 9. David obliterates it in 15 minutes as promised. Or does he? Enjoy.
December 15, 2018
Episode 23 Shroud Wars 2- Dale Vs. Alan Debate Round #2
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December 09, 2018
Episode 22: Messianic Prophecy Part 3
Isaiah 53
December 02, 2018
Episode 21 Messianic Prophecies- The Case for Jesus (Part 2)
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November 24, 2018
Episode 20: Shroud Wars with Dale and Alan Part 2 of Round 1
Conversation continues...
November 20, 2018
Well folks, its finally here!  Round 1 of the big showdown between Dale (Pro-Shroud) and his nemesis Alan (the Shroud skeptic).  Quite obviously, Alan and I are not actually nemeses, we both have strong views on the evidence from the Shroud of Turin and we both passionately believe each other is wrong about it...
November 18, 2018
Supplemental 13: Barrie Schwortz
Barrie Schwortz if the foremost expert on the shroud. And we have him for an interview. Dale and Andrew pepper him with audience questions. Barrie is gracious and informative. David even pops in for a question of his own. No matter what you think about the shroud, you will want to listen to this one. 
November 10, 2018
Episode 18: Messianic Prophecies- The Case for Jesus Christ
Dale attempts to make a non-standard case for the prophetic claims of the birth of Jesus. This is just Part 1. So it will take a couple of weeks to develop.
November 10, 2018
Supplemental 13- Part 10 Evidence for Christianity Based on the Shroud of Turin
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November 10, 2018
Supplemental 12- Part 9 Evidence for Christianity Based on the Shroud of Turin
In Parts 9 & 10 of our Shroud series, we shall be assessing the second major “Ordinary Artistic” mechanism- the Powder-Rubbing and/or Dusting technique.  
November 08, 2018
Roundtable #3: Grill a Christian
In this episode, we turn the tables and ask Dale the Questions, along with questions from the audience.
November 04, 2018
Episode 17: Spiritual Warfare
David makes the case that there are key things about the spiritual war the Christian can never prove in a way that convinces a rational non-believer.
November 03, 2018
Episode 30
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October 27, 2018
Episode 15: Drunk with Blood
David makes the case that Christianity is not just a cult, but occult.
October 21, 2018
Supplemental 11- Part 8 Evidence for Christianity Based on the Shroud of Turin
In Part 8, we finish our analysis of the traditional “Painting Hypothesis” as the image-forming mechanism of the Shroud of Turin (as advocated by Dr. Walter McCrone).  I want you up front, this episode was not my favorite to do as it can get very technical at times (as is necessitated by the specific subject matter), so be aware this is heavier episode content wise and hence why I chose to separate this issue from Part 7 to be in a show by itself.  
October 20, 2018
Episode 14: Effective Communication: A Christian Quagmire
Dale expresses real concern about how he and other Christians come across to nonbelievers. David explains how nonbelievers tend to hear Christians.
October 14, 2018
Episode 13: They'll Know We Are Christians
David argues that there is no way for an outsider to identify a Christian. Find out if Dale can prove him wrong.
October 06, 2018
Supplemental 10- Part 7 Evidence for Christianity Based on the Shroud of Turin
In Part 7 we will take a look at the very first Shroud skeptical image-forming mechanism; the “Painting Hypothesis” as advocated for by Dr. Walter McCrone.
October 05, 2018
Supplemental 9: Tara
Who is Tara and what does she believe? You're about to find out.
October 03, 2018
Episode 12: Double Warrant
Dale tries to argue that a prophecy of a miraculous event should be counted as double warrant for the G-belief event. Find out what that means, and if he is successful.
September 29, 2018
Episode 11: Implications of the Atrocious Passages
David calls Dale a moral monster. Dale calls David a moral monster. Listen to discover why.
September 22, 2018
Supplemental 8- Part 6 Evidence for Christianity Based on the Shroud of Turin
In Part 6 we will spend the first half of the show to lay out and describe what it means for an event (i.e. the formation of the Shroud’s images and their associated Minimal Relevant Features or MRF’s) to be “Extraordinary” (aka. fulfill Criterion B.) as part of my case for the Shroud evidence constituting a “G-Belief Authenticating Event”.  Instead of moving on to assess the first image-forming mechanism (The “Painting Hypothesis”) we shall turn to address some of the listener Feedback that I’ve gotten on my Shroud series thus far and my response to some of that.
September 21, 2018
Episode 10: The Historicity of the Jericho Conquest:
Did god cause the walls of Jericho to fall? Dale tries to make the case.
September 16, 2018
Supplemental 7- Part 5 Evidence for Christianity Based on the Shroud of Turin
In Part 5 of our Shroud study, we will finish off discussion of the final two “Minimal Relevant Features” (MRF’s) which will be used in evaluating the various image-forming mechanisms in Criterion B (upcoming Podcasts).  This episode, we look at some of the various anatomical accuracies and bloodstain features present on the Shroud Man’s images, while also surveying 7 Additional “MRF’s”.  In addition, we tackle various Skeptical Counter-features related to these features as well as overall Counter-facts.  
September 14, 2018
Supplemental 6: Part 4 Evidence for Christianity Based on the Shroud of Turin
Interestinger and interestinger...
September 10, 2018
Episode 9: Mythicism
David makes a case for Jesus Mythicism. But it is not necessarily the case you are expecting. Does he have a point? Let's find out.
September 08, 2018
Roundtable #2 with David, Dale, Matthew, and Andrew
Dale shifts his focus from the book to the show, asking questions that came up in the appearance un Unbelievable. We also take questions from the audience. This one is going to go long, really long.
September 04, 2018
Supplemental #5: Feedback on African-American Agnosticism
Lisa kicks us off with thoughts about African-American agnosticism. I wasn't really trying to spend 30 minutes talking about it. It just happened.  We got this amazing video from listener Even Davids: Even points out the incongruity of evolution and Christianity. Sure, I spent an hour debating this with Dale. But Evan made his point and dropped the mic in 4 minutes. I'm not feeling inadequate or anything. But, DANG! We had a couple more comments and a few new follows. Here is a link to some of the websites of those who follow this one: Travis R A Measure of Faith anansi2050 limey Confessions Of A YEC Haden Clark Help Me Believe David Johnson Beyond Religion
September 03, 2018
Episode 8: The Resurrection Revisited: The Issue of “Sufficient Attachment”
This one gets a little heated as Dale and David wrestle over... Well, you'll see.
September 01, 2018
Supplemental 4: Part 3 Evidence for Christianity Based on the Shroud of Turin
Find out if Dale can date the Shroud all the way back to the time of Jesus
September 01, 2018
Supplemental #3: Feedback on Original Sin
This week, David dives into the mail bag. He finds an interesting set of missives from Joyce and Dale as they converse about the remaking of the doctrine of original sin. There is a surprise or two in there. You are going to want to listen to this one. Here are a couple of links mentioned in the podcast:
August 30, 2018
Part 2 Evidence for Christianity Based on the Shroud of Turin
Dale continues the series with more dating evidence. Be sure to check out part 1 first.
August 28, 2018
Supplemental 1: Part 1 Evidence for Christianity Based on the Shroud of Turin
Dale explains the Shroud of Turin, and why it is an important part of his belief. This is part one. Part two has either already been posted, or is soon to follow. See the blog for extensive notes at
August 28, 2018
Episode 8: Round Table with Skeptics and Seekers and Ask an Atheist Anything
This kicks off a week of bonus material as a way of saying thank you to the listeners. Andrew, Matthew, David, and Dale get together to talk about David and Andrew’s appearance on Unbelievable. Matthew is one of the authors of the response book, “Still Unbelievable: why after listening to Christian arguments, we remain skeptics” Dale agreed to be the official cat herder. As the resident (though not quite tamed) Christian, he had a few questions for the grilling. We rambled, we joked, we gave him a hard time. Then, we hit record. And it went downhill from there. Enjoy.
August 27, 2018
Episode 7: Progressive Revelation with Special Guest, Randal Rauser
This week, Randal and I were a part of a panel discussing two books, one of which was coauthored by yours truly. We got together since then and had a round two on a different topic. This is that conversation.
August 25, 2018
Episode 6: Failure of the Fall
David makes a case that the Fall fails as a doctrine, bringing with it other sacred doctrines like original sin and redemption. Under any form of theistic evolution, there is no room for the Fall. Dale calls for Christian participation on this one.
August 19, 2018
Episode 5: The Issue of Subsumability
Dale thinks the resurrection can prove Christianity, and only Christianity. Dale also thinks Christianity can borrow from Judaism in ways that other religions can't borrow from Christianity. Does he make his case?
August 12, 2018
Episode 4: Evil God Dilemma
What should the Christian advise the skeptic to do if the skeptic comes to a conclusion that god is real, but evil? Let's find out.
August 04, 2018
Episode 3 (part 2)
Dale rehabilitates his argument from last time (but not really). David is gracious (but not really). Even so, they both shook hands and agreed to disagree (but not really).
July 28, 2018
Episode 2 (part 1)
No more Mr. nice guys. Dave and Dale argue for the best of their side and the worst of the other's. The discussion was so good, it couldn't be contained in one episode. So when you are done with this one, you can jump right into part 2. Enjoy.
July 28, 2018
Episode 1
Both the skeptic and the seeker reveal the weakness in their own position, and the strengths in the other's.
July 17, 2018