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The State of CRM in BtoC

The State of CRM in BtoC

By Ben Bouteille - Splio (formerly Tinyclues)

Welcome to The State of CRM podcast. We are sharing strategies, innovative techniques, and the best advice from marketers around the world. Interviews, debates, exchanges ... listen to the greatest marketing experts of tomorrow!
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#6 - Pitfalls of Batch and Blast

The State of CRM in BtoCApr 27, 2021

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#46 - 1st-party Data Is the Future of Acquisition

#46 - 1st-party Data Is the Future of Acquisition

As acquisition costs continue to rise due to the cost of using 3rd-party data, acquisition marketers will need better ways to build audiences and targets.

1st-party data isn’t just for CRM, it can be used to power effective targeting across social and the open web.

Today, we’ll chat a bit about how that works and how 1st-party data is the future of acquisition as well.

May 12, 202228:06
#45 - Omni-channel retailing is here to stay

#45 - Omni-channel retailing is here to stay

The majority of brands still don’t make omnichannel retailing a priority. Why? 

1) There is a lack of understanding in terms of what it actually is and why it’s important and  

2) it’s difficult to operationalize from a business perspective.   

Today, we chat about what omnichannel retailing is and isn’t and what retailers should consider when building an omnichannel strategy.

May 03, 202231:19
#44 - The gap between privacy and personalization

#44 - The gap between privacy and personalization

Customers are concerned about data privacy.

It’s unclear whether or not a personalized experience is valuable enough for a customer to volunteer data and also unclear as to what consumers view as personalization. 

A recent study has some interesting data on the topic and interesting interpretations of the results. 

This week we discuss the study, and results, and offer our own interpretations.

Apr 26, 202231:51
#43 - Key Themes That Emerged from Shoptalk 2022

#43 - Key Themes That Emerged from Shoptalk 2022

Between March 27th and the 30th, Ben and Matt attended Shoptalk Retail Las Vegas.

This conference attracts leaders from around the retail industry and partners to get together, chat, present and view contact, and share.

During this episode, we are going to cover some of the big themes that popped up during the event and give everyone a bit of a view into the four days.


Apr 12, 202240:42
#42 - How propensity scores can be used to accelerate business results w/ Simon Boissinot

#42 - How propensity scores can be used to accelerate business results w/ Simon Boissinot

This week, Matt is discussing with Simon BOISSINOT, Technical operations Director at Tinyclues.

Simon is a key driver behind the innovation that makes Tinyclues propensity deliver value for CRM marketers and businesses, and he’s here to talk about how propensity scores can accelerate real business results. 

But there are risks associated with a build approach that can be mitigated through data science solutions in the market to help derisk and accelerate these projects.

Apr 05, 202231:03
#41 - What relevancy and pressure mean for unsubscribes

#41 - What relevancy and pressure mean for unsubscribes

The unsubscribe rate is a key indicator as to whether or not CRM messaging is relevant.  

It can also indicate whether or not your audience is fatigued due to the volume of messages they receive known as pressure. 

But, relevancy and pressure are essentially to manage together to ensure your unsubscribe rate is as low as possible.

Mar 08, 202232:57
#40 - The Build vs. Buy Dilemma

#40 - The Build vs. Buy Dilemma

The increased digitization of commerce has accelerated the rate at which companies have to make build vs. buy decisions. 

What should companies consider when making investments in 3rd-party CRM solutions vs. building them internally on their own?

Mar 01, 202239:52
#39 - Applying Deep Learning to CRM

#39 - Applying Deep Learning to CRM

AI has officially become a buzzword as we reach the advanced stages of the AI boom.  

But, believe it or not, there are differences between things such as Machine Learning and Deep Learning, and their applications for how you reach and influence customers are different.

Let’s discuss.

Feb 22, 202224:39
#38 - Key findings from The State of CRM Report 2022
Feb 15, 202256:15
#37 - Actioning the voice of the customer

#37 - Actioning the voice of the customer

Customer-centricity means building a marketing strategy that is designed to create goodwill between your brand and your customers.

The tactics CRM marketers employ can either build customer loyalty and lifetime value or in some cases erode it. 

The best way to ensure you are being customer-centric is to listen to your customers. 

But what signals should you lean into? Which ones might not be telling you what you think? 

Today, we are going to explore this in more detail.

Feb 08, 202228:15
#36 - So, What’s going on with Apple Mail Privacy Protection?

#36 - So, What’s going on with Apple Mail Privacy Protection?

We’ve been talking a lot about privacy and specifically Apple’s Mail Privacy Protection that was launched with the iOS 15 release.

We recently saw a webinar from Litmus that sparked some interesting conversation points around this as well as highlighted some new updates in regards to impacts on adoption and CRM strategy.

Here's our take.

Feb 01, 202234:57
#35 - Big CRM Tech, big promises...but do they deliver?

#35 - Big CRM Tech, big promises...but do they deliver?

Today, we are going to chat about the big promises big Martech makes to CRM marketers.

B2B companies are selling promises and those promises come directly from how they make money.

Big CRM promises stronger customer relationships, better personalization, and higher revenue and the road to these outcomes is generally automated personalization based on journeys.

But is this really delivering with CRM Marketers need?

Jan 25, 202220:25
#34 - Unlocking hidden demand within your CRM

#34 - Unlocking hidden demand within your CRM

Welcome to the State of CRM Podcast.

Today, we are going to chat about unidentified demand.

This is a huge challenge for marketers as there are lots of customers within your database just waiting to buy your offers.

They just need to be told about the ones they actually want to and are able to buy.  This means there’s revenue being left on the table.

Jan 19, 202230:01
#33 - 5 CRM Predictions for 2022

#33 - 5 CRM Predictions for 2022

Welcome to the State of CRM Podcast. 

In this episode, we discuss some key predictions for 2022 based on conversations with marketers in 2021 on the phone, at conferences, and research we conducted. 

There look to be some continuing trends from last year and some new topics that will come up as marketers look to break through an increasingly cluttered market.


Link to the State of CRM 2022 report's webinar mentioned in the episode:

https://www.tinyclues.com/blog/multichannel-crm-strategy/webinar-the-state-of-crm-2022-a1/

Jan 11, 202231:59
#32 - 2021 wrap-up and 2022 announcements

#32 - 2021 wrap-up and 2022 announcements

First, we’d like to wish you a happy New Year and a big thank you for listening in during 2021. 

This was an exciting year being the first we’ve done the podcast and are looking forward to more great content in 2022.

Today will be our last podcast of the year so we are going to do a quick recap of some of the key themes as we look to new content in 2022.

In this episode:

- 2022 - CRM Meet & Think events 

- 5 Key themes from 2021

Dec 21, 202112:09
#31 - Shed the old ways and advance your CRM forward

#31 - Shed the old ways and advance your CRM forward

Customer behavior, tech, and business expectations of marketing have changed significantly over the past 5 years.

Why are many CRM marketers still using the same tactics deployed 10 years ago?

This week we discuss how to break out of the old mindset and the tactics to advance your CRM marketing forward.

Dec 14, 202136:30
#30 - The great ESP data challenge

#30 - The great ESP data challenge

According to a recent study, marketers are challenged to optimize email activation using their 1st-party data. 

This is the result of a lack of awareness around HOW ESPs use data and WHAT data it is currently being used.  

Join us as we explore this disconnect and chat about how marketers can better bridge this gap.

Dec 07, 202124:03
#29 - Unlearn what you’ve been taught

#29 - Unlearn what you’ve been taught

"Sometimes you need to unlearn what you’ve been taught because it’s holding you back."  

In this episode of the State of CRM podcast, we are talking about unlearning what you’ve been taught regarding “best practices.”  

As marketers, we are naturally inquisitive and constantly looking for the best way to get to our goal. 

But, no matter which industry you work in, our thinking is influenced by the vendors who are looking to promote a specific way of doing things. 

  We are going to raise some questions today about what we all assume are CRM best practices and ask ourselves if there’s a better way.

Nov 30, 202129:45
#28 - Optimizing for Multi-Offer Campaigns

#28 - Optimizing for Multi-Offer Campaigns

Episode recorded Live

In this episode, we discuss the challenges and opportunities behind multi-offer campaigns. 

Newsletter content is hard to create and difficult to target.  

Join us as we talk about how to tap into the many benefits of multi-offer campaigns while maintaining an excellent experience for your customers.

Nov 23, 202123:46
#27 - Getting the most out of your loyalty program
Nov 09, 202127:32
#26 - Rethinking CRM Attribution

#26 - Rethinking CRM Attribution

In this week’s episode, we are going to explore a topic that marketers love to talk about as it's as important as it is frustrating.

That’s attribution. 

Let’s chat a bit about what CRM marketers should consider when looking at attribution models and are there other things they should consider with exposure data they are using to feed their models.

Nov 02, 202128:57
#25 - Making the right Martech Decisions in a Shifting Market - w/ Cory Munchbach, COO @ BlueConic

#25 - Making the right Martech Decisions in a Shifting Market - w/ Cory Munchbach, COO @ BlueConic

Finding the right marketing tech solutions isn’t easy, and recent market changes make it even harder.  

Tune in as guest speaker Cory Munchbach, COO at BlueConic discusses how marketers can better make these decisions to not only power marketing, but drive their businesses forward.

Oct 26, 202140:01
#24 - Start today to get the most out of Black Friday

#24 - Start today to get the most out of Black Friday

Black Friday is the largest shopping day in many markets around the world.

This presents a huge opportunity to engage your current customer base and CRM marketers are no doubt working hard to activate customers as best they can.

But in a consumer landscape that looks much different than in past years, how can consumers better engage and convert current customers?

Tune in and start thinking with us about:

How the landscape is different  (no surprise) - 06:02 -

What can customer marketers do to capture consumers during this time when the landscape is so different? - 10:30 -

How do you accomplish the above? - 25:40 -

Oct 19, 202134:06
#23 - Multichannel vs. Omnichannel - How marketers can use data to build their strategy

#23 - Multichannel vs. Omnichannel - How marketers can use data to build their strategy

This week, we are going to talk channels and specifically Omni vs. Multichannel. 

What is the difference and what are some ways marketers can use data to build a strategy that’s effective across channels.   

The gold standard for Omnichannel may be difficult but there are steps you can take to get closer as technology continues to make this a more realistic goal.

Oct 12, 202124:31
#22 - Segmentation vs. Individualization - two different approaches to personalization

#22 - Segmentation vs. Individualization - two different approaches to personalization

In this episode, we are going to talk about something that we've heard a lot about over the last couple of months and that is:  What does true personalization look like? 

Marketers are still hyper-focused on finding the right segments of customers to target, however, we are hearing more and more about individualization. 

So let's explore what the differences are and talk a bit about is true individualization possible?



Link to the Webinar mentioned in the intro:

 https://thewisemarketer.zoom.us/webinar/register/5216322376695/WN_gw-C_Vt_TCGMLsmmZMQR6A?utm_source=State%20of%20CRM%20podcast&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Sally-Beauty-Webinar&utm_campaign=Tinyclues+Podcast

Oct 05, 202126:26
#21 - Top 10 themes from CRMC Chicago - Sept. 8-10th 2021

#21 - Top 10 themes from CRMC Chicago - Sept. 8-10th 2021

In early September, we had the pleasure of being back in person to an event. 

Indeed, this event was dedicated to CRM.  

It was CRMC in Chicago.

In this episode, we share the top 10 themes from the multiple brand sessions and discussions we had. 

Listen till the end as we also share interesting stuff we did NOT hear much, unfortunately.

Sep 21, 202122:11
#20 - The environmental impact of CRM

#20 - The environmental impact of CRM

Climate change is a huge topic in news cycles but something we see less of within digital marketing. 

 However, there is an environmental cost to the digital communications you are sending and concrete ways you can work to reduce that impact. 

 In this episode, we talk about the sources of the carbon footprint your digital communications leaves.  

Tune in to discover how you can have an impact now.

Aug 31, 202120:39
#19 - What is the difference between pressure and fatigue?

#19 - What is the difference between pressure and fatigue?

Is there a difference between campaign pressure and fatigue? 

The answer is yes!

Tune in as we discuss that difference and how marketers can better manage and reduce customer fatigue.

It might be time to leave metrics like optimal average frequency in the rearview.

Listen in and decide for yourself.

Aug 24, 202125:36
#18 - Data privacy Q&A w/ Constantin Pavléas - part 2

#18 - Data privacy Q&A w/ Constantin Pavléas - part 2

This is the second part of our Q&A with Constantin Pavléas, a Lawyer specialized in data privacy topics.  

 In this part 2/2, we talk about the right to be forgotten. 

What does it mean? 

And the impact on storage limitation.

 But also asking our guest how he sees the future of privacy regulation or if they are data streams that are safer to use than others?  

A lot of insights on all things related to data privacy.   

Enjoy the episode.

Aug 17, 202127:44
#17 - Back to school CRM strategy

#17 - Back to school CRM strategy

How do you build and plan your CRM communication strategy for the Back-to-School campaign?  

In this episode, we talk about back-to-school campaigns strategy and, more generally, about the right choices for your messages, even if it requires more work.

Listen to this passionate discussion about long-term strategy vs. blast...

Aug 10, 202125:30
#16 - Data privacy Q&A w/ Constantin Pavléas - part 1

#16 - Data privacy Q&A w/ Constantin Pavléas - part 1

Almost everyone has heard of GDPR by now.  

But, we see a rise in privacy regulation by governments worldwide. 

There's CCPA in California and CPPA in Canada, to name the most known. 

In today's episode, we are pleased to welcome Constantin Pavléas, Lawer specialized in data privacy. 

We had so many questions for Constantin that we recorder 2 parts on this complicated but interesting topic.   

This is part 1. Part 2 is to be published soon.

Aug 04, 202131:15
#15 - The importance of treating consumers as individuals

#15 - The importance of treating consumers as individuals

1st-party data helps marketers understand more about their customers. 

But, many CRM tactics still group customers together in ways that don't address each customer uniquely. 

Tune in as we discuss how marketers can take into account what each individual customer wants.

Jul 13, 202109:43
#14 - The impact of your CRM strategy on Deliverability w/ Lauren MEYER

#14 - The impact of your CRM strategy on Deliverability w/ Lauren MEYER

As marketers, we spend hours and hours working on communications.  

Every week a lot of resources are used to create amazing emails, 

but the truth is all of that is useless if your emails are not delivered.

Today we'll talk about email deliverability and to do so I'm pleased to welcome Lauren MEYER, EVP of Product Marketing & Brand Strategy at  SocketLabs.

Jun 29, 202134:27
#13 - How will the iOS15 privacy update impact email marketing?

#13 - How will the iOS15 privacy update impact email marketing?

Apple recently dropped an email bomb announcing a privacy update that will limit email tracking specifically impacting the ability to track open rates.

Will this be the email-aggedon some people fear? 

Tune in and find out how this just may be a good thing for your long-term CRM strategy.

Jun 22, 202133:23
#12 - What does the CRM landscape look like?

#12 - What does the CRM landscape look like?

Do you have the right components in your CRM tech stack?  

Do you know where companies play in the CRM ecosystem?  

Discover more about the three main layers that should comprise any complete stack, the purpose of each layer, and the players that make up the current CRM landscape.

Jun 15, 202131:26
#11 - CRM Automation Bloopers

#11 - CRM Automation Bloopers

This week we share some examples of well-intended campaigns that have fallen victim to misaligned targeting or automation based on incorrect triggers. 

Disclaimer: Nothing we share is in critique of marketing execution or the campaign creative but the automated mechanics with which they are delivered.

Jun 08, 202124:34
#10 - Putting the R back in CRM. w/ Melissa Berger from Digitas

#10 - Putting the R back in CRM. w/ Melissa Berger from Digitas

“Putting the R back in CRM”

Customer relationships are more important than ever.


In this week’s episode of the State of CRM podcast, we received Melissa Berger,

SVP Connections Strategy and North America CRM lead at Digitas,

To talk about…CRM 


Tune in to listen to our discussion about:

👉 The importance of the R in CRM

👉 The empathy needed to build a great relationship with your customers

👉 Golden rule vs. Platinium rule


We also share multiple anecdotes along the way of our chat.

Jun 01, 202134:59
#9 - Travel customer marketing in the Covid era and beyond with Annemarie Van Hecke from TUI

#9 - Travel customer marketing in the Covid era and beyond with Annemarie Van Hecke from TUI

This week we chat with Annemarie Van Hecke, Head of CRM & Customer Analytics Benelux at TUI. 

Join us as we chat about customer marketing in the tourism, travel, and leisure industry and how TUI found opportunities during a difficult year when traveler behavior has shifted significantly.

May 18, 202125:33
#8 - Enterprise, independent, headless, oh my! What will the future of CDPs look like? w/ Greg Blond

#8 - Enterprise, independent, headless, oh my! What will the future of CDPs look like? w/ Greg Blond

On this episode of the State of CRM podcast, Greg Blond, Director of Partnerships and Alliances at Tinyclues, joins us to talk about CDPs. 

CDPs have been a growing trend and a growing area of debate for companies looking to find better ways to structure their data.

Tune in as Greg discusses the different players in market and how enterprise brands may be taking greater control of their data strategy in unexpected ways.

May 11, 202133:42
#7 - How Costa Cruises has adapted to the new world of travel - Stefano Pinzani, Consumer Marketing Director, Northern Europe

#7 - How Costa Cruises has adapted to the new world of travel - Stefano Pinzani, Consumer Marketing Director, Northern Europe

Customer centricity + agility are the ingredients to success for Costa Cruises.

Join us for an interview with Stefano Pinzani, Consumer Marketing Director for Northern Europe at Costa Cruises, as he shares how he and his team have adapted to the new world of leisure travel, shares his perspective on what the future holds for travel, and what he has learned in the last year during the global pandemic.

May 04, 202132:00
#6 - Pitfalls of Batch and Blast

#6 - Pitfalls of Batch and Blast

In this episode, we are explaining why Batch & blast are bad for your database and so for your business.  

And also providing guidance on how to get away from this wrong strategy.

Apr 27, 202131:51
#5 - How B2C CRM practices will evolve over the next 5 years? - feat. Richard Jones, CMO Cheetah digital

#5 - How B2C CRM practices will evolve over the next 5 years? - feat. Richard Jones, CMO Cheetah digital

In this episode with Richard Jones, CMO at Cheetah Digital, we cover a lot of ground about CRM. 

Establishing where it actually starts and ends, we also chat on balancing business needs and customer-centricity. 

The evolution of loyalty programs and their impact on customer journeys, but most of all, we also talked about how the 1st party and 0 party data are the most valuable asset for marketers to be successful in the years to come!

Apr 20, 202127:57
#4 - How to level up your CRM strategy?

#4 - How to level up your CRM strategy?

CRM isn't just about data, or insights, or tech, or activation. 

A great CRM program enables a business to build a customer-centric marketing strategy that is effective, transparent, measurable, and scalable.

 Discover how you can advance your own CRM marketing strategy.

Apr 13, 202137:50
#3 - Be Customer Centric and Deliver for Your Business

#3 - Be Customer Centric and Deliver for Your Business

Welcome to this new episode of the State of CRM Podcast.  I'm Ben Bouteille and I'm here with Matt Engstrom.

Today, we are going to talk about the #1 focus for any customer marketer, and that's building a customer-centric marketing strategy. how can you better deliver on your business goals through a customer-first approach?

Apr 06, 202129:43
#2 - Is personalization through automation the silver bullet it's made out to be?

#2 - Is personalization through automation the silver bullet it's made out to be?

This week we take a step back to think about one of the biggest trends in CRM Marketing, and that's personalization through automation. Is it the silver bullet it's made out to be?

Mar 30, 202127:34
#1 - All things unsubscribes and some potential new ways marketers can look at the metric.

#1 - All things unsubscribes and some potential new ways marketers can look at the metric.

Today, we are super excited to launch our first episode in the series. I'm Matt Engstrom and I'm with Ben Bouteille and today we are going to talk about all things unsubscribes and some potential new ways marketers can look at the metric.

Mar 23, 202127:21