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From Foster Care to Family Law - A Child Welfare Focus

From Foster Care to Family Law - A Child Welfare Focus

By Susan Chesnutt
This is Susan Chesnutt of The Chesnutt Law Firm. This is my podcast From Foster Care to Family Law: A Child Welfare Focus. I was raised in the foster care system, I was a child abuse investigator for the Department of Children and Families, and now I am an attorney practicing family law where my passion is to focus on the best interests of the children involved. In my podcast, I will be meeting industry experts exploring the seemingly impossible scenarios that families often struggle to manage. Each episode will include insights and concepts from professionals that deal with these issues.
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#9 - Divorce without Drama and the Collaborative Law Process

From Foster Care to Family Law - A Child Welfare Focus

#27 Behavioral Health Technician Tara MacDonald on Addiction and Recovery
Susan’s guest today is Tara McDonald she is a behavioral health technician. She has experience in the substance abuse recovery field. Tara shares her views and experiences regarding addiction and the most effective treatments from her perspective. Most of her views have been shaped by her personal experience with addiction and through providing help and guidance for others.
April 9, 2021
#26 We present Dr. Amanda Hackford Founder of the nonprofit Love to Serve in Vero Beach, FL
Dr. Hackford has been active in education as a teacher in the School District of Indian River County. After earning her Ph.D. her heart was moved to give back to the community by helping and supporting needy children through the nonprofit Love to Serve.  In this podcast, she will share her journey to the present and the special impact her nonprofit is having on children in Indian River County. 
March 25, 2021
#25 Non-Profit Spotlight – The Buggy Bunch is supporting struggling mothers with babies
SUMMARY In this episode, child welfare attorney Susan Chesnutt interviews Tara Wright, the executive director of a Non-Profit organization called the Buggy Bunch. They discuss how The Buggy Bunch helps mothers become better parents to their babies. She also discusses the Diaper Closet program that helps homeless moms provide basic necessities to their children. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:30] Susan introduces Tara Wright who talks about The Buggy Bunch program and explains what they do. [02:35] Tara describes what The Diaper Closet program is and how it helps people. [06:01] What else can The Buggy Bunch help with? [09:05] Tara talks about how The Buggy Bunch supports children that come directly to them for help. [15:02] Tara explains the newest developments in the organization and there global approach to supporting the community. [18:50] Tara reviews the importance of establishing a personal relationship with everyone that comes through their door. ------------------------------ QUOTES 2:20 “It doesn't matter what your faith is. What your belief system, your background, your marital status, your sexual orientation. That is not our concern. We are interested in building relationships and supporting moms in Indian River County.” 6:28 “One of the greatest needs in our area that we see outside of the diaper wipes and formula, support that we can offer is housing. Housing is a tremendous struggle in our community for reasonable quality, quality housing.” 10:33 “We’re trying to remind these mothers that they are the primary educator of their child from the moment they're born, they are their first and primary educator.” 17:54 “We are a very small staff and when you contact us, whether it's through our website or our phone, you're going to be greeted by a very warm, caring staff.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Furniture Chesnutt Law-Firm Website: Chesnutt Law-Firm Website Divorce Plan Page: The Buggy Bunch Website: Buggy Bunch Phone: (772) 266-0066 Buggy Bunch Facebook: Vero Furniture Mart: United Way :
March 18, 2021
#24 How much money should you settle for in a Divorce?
SUMMARY In this episode, child welfare attorney Susan Chesnutt interviews Alliance Bernstein Vice-President Aisha Ali about wealth management. They discuss ways to align your financial management with your life goals and ways to set financial goals through the divorce process. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [01:03] Susan introduces Aisha Ali who talks about her job as a wealth manager and how she helps people manage their money. [02:08] Aisha talks about how she can help the divorce process. [08:56] Aisha explains trends in the market and how you should look at investing during the pandemic. [13:52] Aisha shares tips on how to money manage regarding your family’s future. [24:03] Aisha goes through Alliance Bernstein’s process when they meet a new client. [30:16] Aisha explains how she gets to have a relationship with her clients and loves helping them. ------------------------------ QUOTES 2:31 “One of the things that we've seen arise during the divorce process is really having clients not know how much money they should offer for settlements and how much money clients should take for settlements.” 5:26 “So when we're looking at the analysis, let's take a recent divorcee and say ,what are her goals? She wants to make sure she has enough money to put a down payment on a new house. She wants to make sure her children are able to go to college paid for.” 13:11 “When we look forward though, the real economy still needs a lot of help and it needs support.” 21:11  “However, successful you may be in the future and for people who've only known you as successful, and that would be your children if you have been able to mass that before they were born, it can be hard for them to understand why you look at money and you treat it so differently than they do.” 29:40 “I like to tell people that I am not the investment expert. What's great about Bernstein is we have an entire team that works on building and crafting your portfolios.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Chesnutt Law-Firm Website: Chesnutt Law-Firm Website Divorce Planning: Alliance Bernstein Wealth and Management: Aisha Ali: (564)-820-2182 Email:
December 11, 2020
#23 How can witness preparation make a difference in your family law case?
SUMMARY Child welfare attorney Susan Chesnutt talks to communication expert Deborah Johnson about key factors in preparing clients to testify in family law court and depositions.  In this episode, witnesses will learn how to take control of the process and speak with confidence about their case. Deborah Johnson owns a company called High Stakes Communication that works with witnesses in big trials to help them be more confident so they can get their truth to the judge and jury. She and Susan talk about her methods and stories she uses to get this done. They also discuss how witnesses in different types of cases feel before a trial and how they can keep their emotions in check. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [01:17] Susan introduces Deborah Johnson and she explains what she does and how she works with witnesses. [10:33] Deborah explains how what she does helps attorneys when they question witnesses. [20:33] Deborah describes the difference between a deposition and trial. [30:56] Deborah talks about specific methods she uses to help witnesses become more confident. [37:57] Deborah shares some stories and metaphors to think about that will help you be more confident. [42:45] Why do some witnesses feel so nervous or scared and what makes them trigger? [47:39] Deborah explains why she can help lawyers and witnesses. ------------------------------ QUOTES 4:00  “They could have a great case, but if you've got a witness that's a problem, the case could go down the tubes.” 17:42  “You're not talking to the attorney, you're talking to the judge, so don't pay any attention to the attorney. Literally look through them as though they’re a ghost.” 33:11  “Everybody wants to document things on their phone, and as much as I love technology, we break our phones, we lose it we don't pay our iTunes, iCloud bill, we don't get our stuff uploaded. It needs to be in a paper form.” 47:08  “You go find the heart of the witness and have them explore that and have them put it on paper and have them stand up and talk about who they are and how they got that way.” 32:58 “If the judge can't hear them through their pain or their sorrow or their anger, there is no justice, and I'm not an attorney, but that's what makes me crazy, and so that's the work that I do.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Chesnutt Law-Firm Website: Deborah Johnson: (609) 216-0049 Email: High Stakes Communication: American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers:
December 4, 2020
#22 Parenting with Responsible Love, Real World Advice from the Florida Divorce Parenting Class Expert.
SUMMARY Child welfare attorney Susan Chesnutt interviews parenting expert Sue Dockerill from the Florida Divorce Parenting Class.  In this off the cuff conversation, we learn about parenting styles and using responsible love to nurture and grow relationships.  They also discuss our countries divisive political state and positive ways to deal with the outcome of this historic election. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:01:03] Susan introduces Sue Dockerill and she explains a little of what she does and her beliefs on why so many marriages are crashing right now. [00:15:47] Sue explains the difference between responsible love and unconditional love and how each can help a marriage. [00:22:33] Sue shares her beliefs on how parents should care for their children during divorce. [00:41:12] When do you tell small children the whole truth about the world right now? [00:46:08] Sue describes an effective reward system for children. [00:53:42] Sue goes into more detail about what she does for marriages. [01:09:42] Sue talks about how she believes everyone should live their life with joy at all times. ------------------------------ QUOTES 14:03 “The only way we're going to teach unconditional love is if we parent our children that way, imagine a world where no matter what happens to the children, they have a soft place to land.” 30:37 “The kid that's being the bully at school he's the one we need to feel sorry for.” 44:27 “But what happens now? Because we're so divided by parties, one party is just pulling the other person down and it's really crazy because we're not getting focused on the solutions to our problems.” 1:00:39 “Why can't we just lower the bar a little bit and realize that the divorce is a solution. You get to draw the line in the sand of what you're going to put up with and what you're not. But now that you're going apart, why keep bringing up the painful story?” 1:12:10 “I think we all need to start really living for joy and so one of the things I would say to anybody that's really struggling is when is the last time you did something nice for yourself?” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Florida Divorce Parenting Class Website:
November 4, 2020
#21 Can Marital Therapy Really Help Families Avoid Divorce?
SUMMARY Psychologist & marital therapist, Dr. Michael O’Hara, and child welfare attorney Susan Chesnutt have a frank conversation about marital therapy. They discuss the benefits, timing, and right ways to pursue therapy. They also review the benefits of therapy for the children involved in divorce & separation. They talk about how to deal with having kids of different ages during the divorce, what helps, and what hurts. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:01:03] Dr. Michael O’Hara discusses marital therapy and what it means for a marriage. [00:12:40] What is the ratio of positive to negative in a marriage that constitutes a good and lasting marriage? [00:21:12] Dr. O’Hara explains how he deals with marital therapy if a spouse has an addiction. [00:31:42] What it means when lawyers get involved in therapy and how to handle it when you use that strategy? [00:45:07] Dr. O’Hara gives advice about how to parent a child while going through a divorce. [01:09:15] Dr. O’Hara talks about how psychologists help with child therapy during a divorce. [01:16:06] How can parents keep a good parent-child relationship with both parents during a divorce? ------------------------------ QUOTES 9:33 “When we live with somebody, we have to be able to complain to that person about them, about how they make us feel.” 21:57 “When we talk about addiction, we talk about a behavior and it could be substance abuse, it could be gambling, it could be sex. Addiction is when this behavior is repeated compulsively, meaning there's a driven attitude about it.” 44:32 “I think everybody could benefit from counseling in some fashion or form for any reason.” 1:11:33 “You make decisions on what to tell your children based upon how it's going to benefit them, and so parents really need to take that into consideration. Do you speak about it very early on that there are these kind of the sophisticated kids who asked sophisticated questions about the divorce and the breakup.” 1:24:14 “Divorce. That's mainly what we've talked about today. It's a very tragic thing, but it might be the necessary thing. If it is, I hope that it is taken with the utmost consideration, caution, and preparation” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Dr. Michael O’Hara: Phone Number: (561) 748-4050 Website: The Gottman Institute: DSM (Diagnostic Statistic Manual of Mental Health Disorders): Florida Statue 61.13: Divorce Poison By Richard Warshak:
October 2, 2020
#20 - Substance Abuse and Overcoming the Challenges of the Rehab Experience
SUMMARY Child Welfare Attorney Susan Chesnutt interviews Pedro Bernabe, CEO and Executive Director of Phoenix Rising Wellness Center. Pedro goes into detail about the human experience of dealing with addiction, going through rehab, and the challenges to stay clean. Pedro also discusses the bonds and relationships he forms with the people coming through his program. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:22] Pedro Bernabe introduces himself and talks about his pathway before and during high school [00:06:11] Pedro talks about his pathway after high school and how he got into helping addicts [00:19:46] What is the true definition of addiction? [00:24:11] Pedro describes The Phoenix Rising Wellness Center and how it came to be [00:38:10] What does The Phoenix Rising Wellness Center do for people with addictions? [00:49:41] Pedro explains his bonds and relationship with the people that go through the program [01:01:02] Pedro tells the community how they can get involved in non-profits and volunteering ------------------------------ QUOTES 20:40 “My grandparents both were alcoholics, even though they had their behaviors, that network that were never addressed by a professional, they were never addressed. So they continue, they pass that down to their kids.” 24:32 “I said, I didn't want nothing to do with treatment anymore and I want something fresh, something that I can do where I can feel I'm making a difference because too many people are dying from fentanyl use and overdoses.” 38:42 “Alcohol is so cheap. That someone can go in with $30 or $20 and really get intoxicated.” 1:03:04 “We have a big need in this community and we have turned a blind eye to charity in a way, but I think that now there's more and more people talking about it.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES/ Phoenix Rising Wellness Center: Phoenix Rising Wellness Center Facebook Page: Florida Department of Children and Families: Florida VNA (Visiting Nurse Association): Vero Fitness: Team Success Enterprises: Salvation Army: Substance Awareness Center of Indiana River County:
September 25, 2020
#19 Protecting your kids from human trafficking​.
SUMMARY This episode of From Foster Care to Family Law - A Child Welfare Focus features Roberta Katz, a board member and longtime volunteer for the Human Trafficking Coalition for the Treasure Coast in Okeechobee. She talks about her passion to prevent human trafficking and raising awareness in the community. Susan and Roberta discuss the programs and community organizations that are helping to combat against this growing issue. They also review the factors that can make people potential victims of trafficking. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:01:08] Roberta Katz explains human trafficking and how her experience with this has made it her passion to prevent it. [00:18:26] Factors that make you a potential victim of human trafficking. [00:22:16] Example of Human Trafficking instances. [00:40:23] Roberta describes certain red flags that a Child is in threat of being a victim of human trafficking. [00:45:30] Roberta talks about what she and her coalition does to prevent human trafficking. [00:54:01] How to help a victim of human trafficking. [01:02:28] How do people help prevent this issue? ------------------------------ QUOTES 12:29 “And she said, the 42-year-old man, when she was 16, told her if she had sex with him, he would give her a pillow and a place to sleep. That's survival sex.” 19:01 “Children at risk for recruitment and trafficking are children who are under 18 years old, walk to school or to the store alone, have access to a computer, are attracted to consumer goods, have a desire to develop romantic relationships.” 24:13 “We have all kinds of levels. They went into the rooms and they were spending money and buying costumes, the skins for random children that they didn't know. And then they were forming this bond because the child felt compelled as a thank you to talk to this person. That's normally Gift-ology.” 42:07 “I'm saying, if you see two calculator apps on the phone or two map apps, they've (Your kids) downloaded something and hidden it under a calculator app.” 58:54 “Just because your child's next to you and on the phone doesn't mean they're still not doing something that they shouldn't be doing.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Roberta Katz Email: Florida Department of Children and Families (Children’s Legal Services): DCF (Community Based Care): Florida Department of Education: Guardian ad Litem Program: Info for 2021 Krimes against Kids Conference: The Human Trafficking Coalition for the Treasure Coast in Okeechobee: Facebook Page: Shared Hope International: Place of Hope: Human Trafficking Hotline: (888) 373-7888 DCF Hotline: (1)-800-abuse
September 17, 2020
#18 - Breaking Down the Juvenile Justice Systems in Florida, Podcast Part 2
In part 2 of this podcast, Attorney Susan Chesnutt continues her interview with the Department of Juvenile Justice Reform Specialist Christopher Seagrist about his experiences working with the troubled youth in Indian River County, Florida. SUMMARY In part 2 of this podcast, Attorney Susan Chesnutt continues her interview with the Department of Juvenile Justice Reform Specialist Christopher Seagrist about his experiences working with the troubled youth in Indian River County, Florida. Chris gives a detailed description of the processes and experiences children have when they go through the system. They discuss the power that judges have to accept or overrule the DJJ recommendations. Susan and Chris wrap up talking about volunteer programs in Florida that are helping kids and families. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:20] Chris talks about the routine the DJJ goes through when evaluating how they should process the kids that get arrested. [09:52] Chris explains the factors that get kids arrested and put in programs. [16:08] Chris describes the programs a kid goes into if they can’t prove themselves on probation. [20:13] How much power does the Judge really have over the DJJ recommendations? [22:11] Chris and Susan talk about the non-profit organization team Success Enterprises. [32:12] Chris talks about future projects he plans to create. ----------------------------- QUOTES 1:00 “But how are you going to talk to a kid about behaving when there's another kid there that murdered his brother or that shot at him?” 15:05 “You're on probation as an adult, you've got one foot in jail and one foot out the door and it's just which way do you lean that day and where are you going to go?” 17:10  “Even the non-secure programs. They are not free to go. They are there for treatment and the overarching concern, like even with indeterminate sentencing of probation. We just want to give the kids what they need.” 20:44 “I've seen many cases where judges went above DJJ's recommendation and got their hand slapped.” 30:43 “There are some agencies in North Florida that partner with DOD, actually a nonprofit that partners with Department of transportation and the kids like to clean out gutters and stuff, and they paid them a partial salary and pay off the restitution at the same time as they're working.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Chris Seagrist - Phone: (772)-429-2121 Email: Florida Department of Juvenile Justice: Juvenile Justice System Improvement Project: Team Success Enterprises: Children’s’ Home Society: Department of Defense: Department of Transportation:
September 9, 2020
#17 - Breaking Down the Juvenile Justice Systems in Florida, Podcast Part I
SUMMARY This episode of From Foster Care to Family Law – A Child Welfare Focus features Chris Seagrist, a Reform Specialist for the Department of Juvenile Justice. Chris gives a detailed explanation of the Juvenile Justice System and what the kids who get thrown into that system go through. Susan and Chris also talk about the causes of children being arrested and alternatives to them being prosecuted. They talk about the problems with child neglect that can cause kids to become delinquents. They also discuss how racism in America’s justice and law enforcement systems effects kids and the lives they lead. —————————— HIGHLIGHTS [00:59.87] Family Law Attorney Susan Chesnutt introduces Chris Seagrist her guest for this podcast. [01:25.29] Chris Seagrist tells us a little bit about himself and his background in criminal justice and his current role with the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice. [9:42.22] Chris Seagrist explains the different terminology that is used for juvenile infractions vs adult crimes. [15:13.16] How family life can impact kids that get into trouble. [25:18.37] Chris explains the “Rational Choice Theory” and how it is applied to adults and kids. [28:15.22] How are disadvantaged kids impacted when they get in trouble? [35:22.01] What are the criteria for determining if a child is taken into detention? —————————— QUOTES 3:18 “They (DJJ) have maybe 4% recidivism rate, which means a kid successfully completing the program. We’ll only re-offend 4% of the time. So that’s 96% success rate” 13:56 “Let’s say one of our kids gets assaulted or battered by another youth. We want to see justice, but that doesn’t necessarily have to mean arrest and program.” 18:30 “And I have explained to them, and I feel like I’m doing them (Her kids) a disservice, because I don’t want to tell them that by the way, this is a crime and you should call 911 on each other. But I have to tell them. Hey guys, you guys can’t hit each other because you literally could get charged with a crime” 29:11 “33, I think, percent of black men in Florida are a convicted felons or past convicted felons. They’ve been in touch with the criminal justice system that they’re going to have hard opportunities finding jobs, and the sad part about that is there’s still no evidence.” 38:00 “And everyone has to get an okay from mental health to step them down the ladder until they’re just normal youth in the facility.” —————————— RESOURCES Chris Seagrist – Phone: (772)-429-2121 Email: Florida Department of Juvenile Justice: Florida Department of Corrections: Substance Abuse Awareness Center of Indian River County:
September 1, 2020
#16 - Family Law. Okay, what about the kids?
SUMMARY This episode of From Foster Care to Family Law – A Child Welfare Focus features divorce and family law attorney Kevin Rollins. He talks about his extremely interesting childhood, martial arts, cults, and how it affected him to become a lawyer. The attorneys discuss ways to truly help their clients with family law matters and drill into issues with child witnesses in divorce cases. Kevin tells us his views on the world and the politics of today. They also review the benefits of collaborative law as an alternative to traditional divorce litigation. —————————— HIGHLIGHTS [01:12] Family Law Attorney Susan Chesnutt introduces Divorce and Family Law Attorney Kevin Rollins who then explains his job and his current life. [06:12] Kevin Rollins explains how the younger generations of Lawyers has affected the profession. [12:52] Kevin and Susan talk about sexism in the business of law and how it effects different Lawyers. [18:59] Kevin Rollins goes over his life and how it impacted him to become a Lawyer. [31:52] What do kid witnesses go through in court when their parents are getting divorced? [52:29] Kevin’s views on politics today. [54:49] Why are Collaborative Lawyers are important? —————————— QUOTES 15:08 “Well ,and no offense, in order for a female to be assertive, she’s automatically characterized as a bitch, even though you have to be sometimes in order for people to listen to you.” 20:04 “I’ve learned now that later, kids who grew up with absentee fathers tend to take on the role of the absentee parent, or you want to protect the parent who’s there and you either lionize or demonize the absentee parent.” 24:54 “Their (The Church of Scientology) uniforms all have a nautical theme and they have not a cool sounding names and for their chain of command, it’s what I would tell people about organizations like that is, It’s not obvious, right? So don’t beat your family members up if they get into some organization like this or any kind of cult. It’s not obvious. They’re not luring you in with tales about aliens and child abuse. They’re luring you in with legitimate self-help.” – About Cult-Like Organizations 50:14 “I spend a lot of time counseling my clients on the reality of their circumstances and just making sure they understand that their kids are going to remember what happens, and that they can’t control the other parent.” 51:23 But, fighting a battle for 5 or 10 or 15 years of child support is not worth a lifetime of your child thinking your garbage because you tried to take advantage of them as a child, or tried to take advantage of their other parents.” —————————— RESOURCES Kevin Rollins – Phone: (772) 388-4447 Website: Vero Beach Sunrise Rotary Club: Florida Coastal Law School: Florida Southern College: The Church of Scientology: Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath
August 20, 2020
#15 - A close-up look at Foster Care on the Treasure Coast with Erin Harrigan Ad Litem Attorney
Guardian Ad Litem Attorney Erin Harrigan joins Susan Chesnutt to talk about the inner workings of the Foster Care community in Florida. SUMMARY Guardian Ad Litem Attorney Erin Harrigan joins Susan Chesnutt to talk about the inner workings of the Foster Care community in Florida. Erin discusses the importance and significance of the Guardian ad Litem job and details what it is like to be a Guardian ad Litem volunteer. Susan and Erin also discuss Erin’s experience in foster parenting and its importance to kids that need a temporary family while their parents get help with an issue they are facing. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [01:11] Guardian ad Litem Attorney Erin Harrigan introduces herself and talks about the Guardian ad Litem job and volunteer program. [08:53] Review of how a Guardian ad Litem interacts with children. [12:58] How the Judicial System and the DCF should handle family law cases. [21:44] Erin Harrigan shares a Heart-Warming and important story about her experience in foster care. [31:50] What is foster care like as a foster parent? [36:08] Description of The Guardian ad Litem volunteer program. [46:00] How should people involved in divorce cases act towards kid witnesses? ------------------------------ QUOTES 9:41 “But as a child, no matter what your parents have ever done to you. It's never going to be bad enough that you don't want to go home. You love your parents. You love them. So you will always say you want to go home” 15:11 “That gets back to a philosophical question, how much power do you want the government to have?” 23:06  “I was living in a home that had three bedrooms and I was like, you know what? I have empty bedrooms and there are kids in need, and so I went through the classes to get certified as a foster parent.” 37:27 “So we need people to volunteer, to come stuff bags with school supplies that we then hand out to the kids, or, we have a big holiday drive where we have to sort the toys or clothes by different age groups, appropriateness, and then also disseminate all of that to everyone” 56:30 “In COVID, we're seeing the decline in the abuse reports that are made, which sounds like a really good thing, except that I think pretty much as a system, we're a little bit nervous that it's because these kids are home bound and nobody sees what's happening.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Florida Department of Children and Families: Guardian ad Litem Volunteer Program Website: St. Lucie County Court House: Phone: (772)- 462-6900 Friends and Children of Brevard: Voices for Children : Voices for Children Phone Number: (772) 785-5804 Volunteer Recruit of Voices for Children, Nicole Hughes:
August 14, 2020
#14 - An Insider Look at the Florida DCF (Dept. of Children and Families) with Bob McPartlan DCF Community Development Administrator
SUMMARY This episode of From Foster Care to Family Law – A Child Welfare Focus features Bob McPartlan, Community Development Administrator at the DCF. Bob details his role in caring for abused kids and educating his community to get involved as positive influences and mentors to children in need. Susan and Bob also discuss substance abuse and how it is the worst and most common factor in putting children into foster care. They also talk about cases where they extended much-needed help to otherwise neglected children and the recent successes of the DCF in placing children with friends and relatives. —————————— HIGHLIGHTS 07:51 How DCF can help you 16:30 Substance abuse as the worst cause of fostering 31:23 Community development and church involvement 37:32 Case studies: Meeting human needs and the painful realities of foster children 55:18 Increases in domestic violence cases during COVID-19 —————————— QUOTES 16:18 “It could be as simple as just going to school and reading to kids because kids always look for just one positive influence in their life.” 30:56 “I’ve had parents, I’ve had recurring cases, but I treated them the same every time because today might be the day that they say yes, Bob, I’m ready to make a change in my life.” 48:47 “We try to keep those material things because they have sentimental value and we want to pass them on to our children. I don’t have those and I damn sure didn’t want some other kid to have to experience that because her mother was going through a difficult time.” 54:17 “We set a goal of 67% of those children to be placed with friends or relatives because we know they’re more successful because then parents might be more inclined to visit or assist in visitation.” 56:21 “This epidemic has created a lot of stressors in the home. And again, we are seeing a large number of, again, it’s mainly substance abuse and domestic violence going on at home.” —————————— RESOURCES Bob McPartlan – Phone: (772) 708-2900 , Email: Florida Department of Children and Families – Phone: 850-300-4323 or 1-866-762-2237, Fax: 1-866-886-4342, Website: D-SNAP, formerly known as Food for Florida – Link: Homeless Services Network of Central Florida – Phone: (407) 893-0133, Fax: (407) 893-5299, Email: Food Stamp Program – Link: Boys & Girls Clubs of America – Link: Gifford Youth Achievement Center – Link: Hibiscus Children’s Village – Link: Community Based Care of Central Florida – Link: Team Success Enterprises – Phone: (772) 236-7770, Link:
August 7, 2020
#13 - Resist Refuse Psychology and Reasons Why Children may Alienate a Parent in a Separation or Divorce
SUMMARY This episode of From Foster Care to Family Law – A Child Welfare Focus features Dr. Michael O’Hara, a therapist that specializes in putting families back together. He talks about alienation in families from both the parent and the child’s perspective. Susan and Michael also discuss ways to handle alienation when you are the rejected or the aligned person. Dr. O’Hara also goes through the therapeutic process of how to put families back together. —————————— HIGHLIGHTS [01:19] Dr. Michael O’Hara introduces himself and talks about family therapy for troubled families. [04:50] Michael explains what alienation really is in families. [23:25] The role of a child in helping to get his/her family back together. [35:42] How to act when you are the parent that the child wants to align with. [41:14] How to act when you are the parent that the child has rejected. [49:36] What are signs of true alienation? [57:17] Michael describes the process of being a therapist that helps put families back together. —————————— QUOTES 23:13 “It’s almost like we have little adults around when they’re teenagers. I have two teenagers right now and by all intents and purposes, they are as smart, or smarter than me. They think in complex ways” 36:29 “In that sense, the child has somebody to go to, that they need, and during this terrible difficult time, you’re the go to parent. However, you also have to play a big role here, and it’s a role that you have to work on understanding” 43:43 “I know it feels injurious to you to have your child rejecting you. It’s a terrible, sad feeling. Try not to turn that into expressing how sad you are and pleading with the child to stop doing this to you and gendering guilty feelings at the child, you have to be strong here.” 56:05 “They have to decide whether they are going to write a child a letter and say, it’s a goodbye letter, and say, I realize now that things are not going to get better between us and my trying to make things better between us is actually making things worse for you.” 1:00:01 “There is a lot of hope in getting into working with these families individually and together to repair those relationships.” —————————— RESOURCES Dr. Michael O’Hara Website: Dr. Michael O’Hara Email: Dr. Michael O’Hara Phone Number: (561)-748-4050 Association of Family and Conciliation Courts:
July 27, 2020
#12 - Real Life Stories and Situations from Inside the Florida Foster Care System
SUMMARY Family law attorney Susan Chesnutt interviews Independent Living Specialist, Rebecca Morgan from Communities Connected for Kids on the topic of Foster Care in Florida. Both Rebecca and Susan formerly worked within the DCF system, and their careers evolved into other proactive roles to help children with challenging family lives. They talk about the treatment of foster kids and challenges for children aging out of the foster care system. —————————— HIGHLIGHTS [00:55] Rebecca Moore introduces herself and talks about foster kids after aging out of foster care. [03:54] Rebecca talks about independent living after foster care and how they assist young adults turning 18. [07:44] How the process of reunifying families is looked at from different points of view? [10:21] Rebecca describes her job in foster care and interacting with 16 and 17-year-olds. [12:25] Rebecca and Susan discuss how foster children can be mistreated. [26:23] How foster children should be managed while trying to reunite with their family. [31:34] Rebecca explains how children who are about to age out of foster care should be treated QUOTES 4:35 “I was only given $600 per month from the state in order for me to live on when I was 18 and didn’t have anybody to help me.” 8:48 “Now it’s your parents, you know them better than a judge knows them. You know if they’re going to fail, they’re going to succeed at this case plan.” 18:28 “Everyone assumed that, because I was a foster child, that all I was ever going to do was maybe graduate high school, end up pregnant and a criminal or something and that’s just ridiculous.” 27:23 “and there was about 10 or 12 people sitting there. And of course I’m the only child and they keep, they keep saying the child, the child, and I got really upset and I slammed my hand down on the table and I was like, my name is Susan.” 31:50 “The most important thing I want to say is just to make sure that they’re on track with their goals, and to make sure where they are educationally, or that they have a plan in place once they turn 18.” —————————— RESOURCES Communities Connected for Kids: Communities Connected for Kids Facebook Page: Florida Department of Children and Families: Florida Child Placement Department:,who%20are%20placed%20in%20Florida Information about Postsecondary Education Services and Support(PEES):
July 16, 2020
#11 - Peaceful Assembly, White Privilege, Covid-19 and the Law. Times are changing is an understatement!
SUMMARY Florida Criminal Defense & Family Law Attorneys Andrew Metcalf and Susan Chesnutt discuss the right to peacefully assemble and opinions on the changing legal spectrum during this time of social unrest and pandemic restrictions. Susan and Andrew also discuss, how policing and Americans should change during this world-wide crisis, especially in America. This podcast also highlights how people that go through a crisis often come out better on the other side. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:52] Susan introduces Andrew Metcalf and they discuss what the 1st Amendment means to him. [04:58] Andrew discusses his beliefs about the peaceful protests going on during the pandemic. [11:35] Andrew talks about how police should be retaught approaches to be less forceful during arrests. [16:55] Andrew tells us his beliefs on what our leaders can do differently relating to police, peaceful protests, and the pandemic. [21:43] What can America do different during this pandemic? [28:10] How are Americans affected or going to be affected by our poor choices? [38:02] Andrew and Susan share stories about how people affected by crisis’s will almost always come out better on the other side. ------------------------------ QUOTES 3:13 “I was born in 1971, so I'm not a spring chicken, but I did grow up during the civil rights era, but this is the worst I've ever seen in our country.” 6:35 “I have seen aggressive police that are too aggressive, and they need to be held accountable.” 9:16 “I mean, we need to reform the way we think, and police are not taught that, you know, they just aren't taught.” 19:40  “We need to limit the terms of our leaders, because the president, as we all know, the president can only serve two terms, but we have career politicians who all they think about every day is how do I keep my job?” 33:41  “I believe in the underdog, and I'm glad that there has been some movement, but we need to pull back, because if you're out there and you're destroying property and you're hurting people, you’re not right.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Andrew Metcalf Phone: (772) 633-4089 Green, Metcalf & Lazan: Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers: Indian River County Bar Association:
July 10, 2020
#10 - From Activist to Advocate: Why the police need body cameras!
SUMMARY  Florida Community Advocate Michael C. Marsh details his experiences growing from a civil rights activist fighting for justice against bad cops and transforming into the founder of non-profit organizations. Susan and Michael share their beliefs for how the current law enforcement system in America can be changed and how body cameras should be permitted for all cops. Michael also talks about his beliefs of how we can do better in protesting and fighting for our rights today.  ------------------------------  HIGHLIGHTS  [01:11] Susan introduces Michael Marsh and they discuss the problems with overly violent cops.  [07:25] Michael explains why he believes all cops should be mandated to have body cameras.  [11:28] How can we change our protesting about “Black Lives Matter” so it is less violent and more effective?  [19:51] Michael tells us how he thinks we should change the law enforcement system, so it has less power and more supervision.  [28:15] Michael talks about how Team Success Enterprises was founded and how it supports the community.  [37:46] Michael talks about how ignorance is not the way to solve the issues in the world right now.  ------------------------------  QUOTES  4:54 “There's bad sanitation workers, bad teachers, there's bad lawyers out there, but they're not all bad and you can't put them all in that same box.” 8:21 “Let's face it, do all cops even put on their dash cameras? The answer's no, you think they're going to put on their body camera?”  11:30 “We cannot allow the police to police themselves, because you know what, that's going to bring us three attributes, accountability, accessibility, and transparency, and that is what we have needed in 2020.”  29:55 “So I took to Facebook, I said, you know what? I got a big mouth, everyone follows me, I’m gonna start helping feed the people in the woods.”  45:38 “And I’d like to leave off with our motto and that is, I am! You are! We are! Team success!”  ------------------------------  RESOURCES  Team Success Enterprises: Website:  Facebook Page:  Sebastian Police Department:  St. Lucie West Centennial High School:  Florida NAACP (National Advancement for the Association of Colored People):  Indian River Shores Public Safety Dept.:  Boys and Girls Club of Indian River County:  Vero Beach Police Dept.:  Salvation Army:  ORC-Services:  LaPorte Farms:  Department of Juvenile Justice:  Care-Net Pregnancy Center:  Hibiscus Children’s Village:
July 2, 2020
#9 - Divorce without Drama and the Collaborative Law Process
SUMMARY Portia Scott Esq. is the President of the Treasure Coast Collaborative Law Group. Portia will answer the who, what, why, how, and where questions about divorce and collaborative Law. It may be an easier, faster, cheaper way to manage your divorce. She will also discuss how long and how much the cost will be compared to if you don’t use collaborative law. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:54] Susan introduces Portia Scott and her career path to collaborative law. [06:00] Portia describes the collaborative law process in detail. [24:44] Portia lists all the pros of being collaborative certified lawyer and how beneficial it is to have a lawyer that is collaborative certified. [32:14] Portia talks about how long it takes to go through a divorce when using the collaborative method. [38:51] Portia shares why she believes collaborative law is so important. [43:18] Portia compares regular and collaborative lawyers and shows why one is better than the other. [51:19] How can you get a collaborative lawyer and start the process? ------------------------------ QUOTES 5:28 “One of my passions is the elder law practice, and so I deal with old people all the time and I love old people. They have the best stories!” 8:26 “Why would I give up my skills, knowing what the rules of evidence are, knowing what is objectionable or what is not, you know, that's my, that's my theater. I'm in the courtroom. All eyes are on me. I can grab the attention anytime I want by standing up and saying Objection!” 24:30 “I want to mock the work. It's not healthy. It's not correct. It's not the way that we as adults and lawyers should be helping people through the divorce process.” 40:51  “I do think eventually everybody's going to be collaborative. I think everyone is going to recognize that this is essential to maintaining our civilization on a generational basis.” 51:42  “Google collaborative law and read at least three or four articles on it, because there are different approaches, but they all are going towards the same thing. So do your homework and research what it is, there are resources available.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Portia Scott: (772)-287-0096 Treasure Coast Collaborative Law Group: Martin County Bar Association: Florida Academy of Collaborative Professionals:
June 25, 2020
#8 - Protecting Your Credit During Divorce & Separation
SUMMARY One of the most challenging parts of weathering COVID-19 or divorce is managing your credit score. Both are major disruptions in your life and can be detrimental in maintaining good credit. Expert Bill Lewis offers numerous suggestions on how to efficiently manage your credit. Bill and Susan also discuss how to manage joint accounts and your overall credit score after a divorce. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:55] Susan introduces Bill Lewis and they talk about joint credit accounts and how they are affected by divorce. [04:37] How should you handle joint accounts during a divorce that will best affect your credit score? [08:14] Bill explains situations where an angry divorcee takes advantage of their x-spouse’s credit account. [14:15] How can you protect yourself from identity fraud that affects your credit? [21:23] Bill describes the process of negotiating debt during a divorce. [24:38] How to handle putting your child on a joint credit card account as an authorized card user. [28:01] Bill shares how to start over credit-wise after a divorce or just going out on your own. ------------------------------ QUOTES 2:03  “If you have an account with the creditor,  whether it be one of the big banks or one of the big box stores, you're held by your contract.” 10:02  “Typically with the creditors, you do want to talk to the Indian call centers or the foreign call centers because they're easier to speak with, they're easier to deal with, they're more believing in your story.” 16:46 “The benefits of having the seven-year fraud alert far outweigh the cons.” 20:33  “A lot of times you'll see somebody coming back and saying, I'm going to fix the spouse's credit just for the mere purpose of being able to let them move on in life.” 29:57  “Bank of America is going to sit there and say, Hey Susan, we'll open a security account free. We'll move a thousand dollars to this account. What they didn't tell you is this that it's going to take six months to a year before that account reports anything.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Bill Lewis: (772) 324-6400 William E. Lewis Jr. and Associates: Equifax: (800) 525-6285 Experian: (888) 397-3742 TransUnion: (800) 813-5604
June 17, 2020
#7 - Co-Parenting Counseling, Psychology, and the Law – with Dr. Nancy Vrechek
SUMMARY Susan Chesnutt interviews Dr. Nancy Vrechek to explore the dynamics and goals of Co-Parenting Counseling. Sometimes parents going through a divorce struggle to find solutions to issues that arise when deciding how to structure a successful co-parenting agreement. Dr. Vrechek shares important insights from her long career working with thousands of families as a parent coordinator and a social investigator. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:50] Susan introduces Dr. Nancy Vrecheck and she talks about Co-Parenting Counseling. [07:54] Dr. Vrecheck talks about the possibility of taking other responsibilities when you are a parent coordinator. [09:52] Dr. Vrecheck talks about her other profession which is being a social investigator. [15:35] What types of cases do social investigators handle? [22:23] Dr. Vrecheck tell us what we should do if we don’t have an attorney that offers these options. ------------------------------ QUOTES 4:47 “We can't help them with big adjustments, like swapping more or changing fundamentally the time sharing. We can help them decide how they want to do it, but again, nothing's legal until, the person in the black robe signs off on it.” 6:57 “I tell the mother; I can talk to your attorney about you. I tell the father, I can talk to your attorney about you, but I can't talk to the attorney about the other parent.” 10:40 “The idea of custody, if one parent has a little bit more, somehow they're better than the other, but by de-stigmatizing and talk about more about what's the best interest of the children in different time-sharing schedules. It keeps them parents more like co-parents.” 14:57  “Sometimes the parent becomes disabled, say they're in a car accident, and they're in a wheelchair, but they've recovered, but their capacity is diminished. They shouldn't just lose their child because of that.” 23:44  “Always take the high road. You can always take the high road.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Dr. Nancy Vrecheck: (561) 747-3997 Webpage: Splitting By Bill Eddy :
June 9, 2020
#6 - Good Cops Hate Bad Cops: the Murder of George Floyd, Coming from Nothing, and Bringing Love to Law Enforcement with Corporal Darrell Rivers.
SUMMARY Darrell Rivers is a Corporal in the Vero Beach Florida Police Department. In this episode, Susan Chesnutt interviews this 32-year law enforcement veteran about the changing times, racism, covid-19, and an honest refreshing perspective on how to treat people. He also explains how people should think about bad cops with regards to the entire police force. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:47] Susan introduces Darrell Rivers and they talk about a mutual friend that just passed away. [03:03] Darrell shares a story about joining the police force 20 years ago and being the only black cop. [05:07] Darrell and Susan discuss the police force and the community during COVID. [09:05] How can civilians and the police change right now to fix the unrest in this country? [11:51] Darrell talks about how people can change their views on the whole police force and not focus on a few bad apples. ----------------------------- QUOTES 2:22  “You can't stereotype everybody because of one officer's mistake or whatever bad accident that he made.” 5:40  “I think this year, so far, we've had over 29 overdoses and three deaths so far.” 9:41 “You always put yourself in other person's shoes that you're dealing with because that could be you tomorrow.” 15:46  “I had a stepdad that's stepping in as our fathers for all, eight of us, and he only made $125 a week. We stayed in a two-bedroom house, and that was enough to, where I come from to do better and show people that you can be better regardless of your circumstances.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Vero Beach Police Department:
June 2, 2020
#5 - Your Credit, the Economy, and COVID-19 What’s Important and What’s Not.
SUMMARY Bill Lewis is a long-time credit repair expert, radio host, and author. Bill discusses credit and financial issues that frequently come with a divorce. He also has some interesting information regarding your credit score and special programs related to COVID-19. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:55] Susan introduces Bill Lewis who explains exactly what a credit report is and how it helps you. [04:48] Bill discusses the cares act and how you can use it. [06:49] Bill shares some tips on how to care for your credit score using credit reports. [17:18] Bill tells us how he and his company can help people with credit. [22:17] Bill describes how to get a free credit report. [26:33] Bill shares how he can also help attorneys with cases. ------------------------------ QUOTES 2:49 “It's always been my recommendation to monitor your credit report every three to four months, there are various devices out there.” 7:10 “Our advice has always been pay off your credit cards first, pay off your auto vehicle second, and pay the mortgage third.” 17:36 “We restore credit as a reputation management tool. We have clients that have issues, whether it be a low credit score, whether it be possibly or potentially an arrest record of public records showing up on their credit report and we're able to clean those up.” 19:59  “You need to be able to be proactive, communicate with your creditors, communicate with the individuals that you owe money to.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Bill Lewis: (772) 324-6400 William E. Lewis Jr. and Associates: William E. Lewis Jr. and Associates Facebook: Equifax: (800) 525-6285 Experian: (888) 397-3742 TransUnion: (800) 813-5604 Annual Credit Report Website: Space Coast Financial Service:
May 29, 2020
#4 - Overcoming Employment Challenges During COVID-19 with Ellen Fernandez
SUMMARY Ellen Fernandez is a vocational counselor and vocational rehabilitation counselor for more than 30 years. Her job is evaluating her client's ability to get back to work. Susan and Ellen explore the dynamics of reentering the workforce and the many factors that workers face in today's environment. They also discuss how hard it is to find a job right now, but how the economy is going to bounce back as it has before and will again. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:52] Susan introduces Ellen Fernandez, and they talk about her job of assessing people’s ability to work and where they would be best. [06:02] Ellen shares information about the best places and times to apply for a job and goes into detail on how to look. [18:49] Ellen explains how economic change effects when to find a job and how to deal with that change. [21:42] Ellen and Susan discuss how COVID has and still will effect the economy, job openings, and human beings in general. [27:20] Ellen goes into detail about her job responsibilities as a vocational counselor. [35:36] What you can do to find the right job for you during a divorce. ------------------------------ QUOTES 6:32 “I would say definitely, if you need a job, just get a job. Even if you've been out of work for a long time or you've been furloughed, you need to keep food on the table. It's important to just apply for something.” 19:15 “You'll look back on this terrible experience five years from now and you'll remember how difficult it was, but be so glad that you have gotten out of the situation and forward and things are different and often better because change often does bring out something better.” 26:18 “I think that this situation has called upon all of us to be creative and to figure out solutions.” 35:06  “Some places are paying $15 an hour for lower-skilled jobs. But oddly, some jobs that require a bachelor's degree or master's degree, like working in social services only pay that $15 an hour.” 38:32  “It is hard to find a job and it's discouraging because if you were looking for a job way back when, you could go in person, which is hard to do now, it's mostly applying online. You often don't even get a response, so it feels very much just discouraging.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Ellen Fernandez: 321-777-2692 Email: LinkedIn:
May 19, 2020
#3 - Protecting Against Domestic Violence and Child Abuse During COVID-19. with Larry Lawson
SUMMARY Larry Lawson is a career law enforcement officer that has served as a uniformed policeman, investigator, and educator.  He offers insights on domestic violence and child abuse from his long career.  His perspective comes from his time serving in the trenches and having a first-hand view of domestic abuse and violence in our community.  Larry feels there is a potential to see an increase in these behaviors motivated by pressures from the COVID-19 pandemic. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:00:55] Susan introduces Larry Lawson and he shares his career of being a cop and fighting against domestic violence. [00:02:58] Larry talks about things that can put strain on people enough to cause domestic violence. [00:05:49] Larry shares some resources that you can use during COVID-19 to protect yourself from domestic violence. [00:12:05] Susan and Larry discuss what type of behaviors lead to child abuse. [00:16:10] How has the pandemic effected domestic violence? [00:20:56] Larry explains how you can protect yourself and prevent domestic violence any time. ------------------------------ QUOTES 3:08 “Whenever you've got folks that are under stress, the instances of domestic violence tend to increase.” 12:29 “I would like for people to know that these shelters do have clothing, even professional clothing available so that they can help you get a job, they can help you be financially independent and things of that nature while your escaping your abuser.” 14:38 “I've arrested people that have committed acts of violence to a domestic partner, and just the mere fact that their children's standing there watching it added those charges of child abuse.” 15:58 “We are all a product of our childhood in one way or another.” 18:20 “They're worried about their five-year-old or their eight year old pulling the curtains off the window and at the same time wondering how are we going to eat tonight during this pandemic.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Safe Space: State Attorney’s Office: (772) 226-3300 National Abuse Hotline: 1(800)-799-7233
May 7, 2020
#2 - Overcoming Challenges with Virtual Schooling from Home During COVID-19, with Leah Blythe
SUMMARY Leah Blythe is a Twenty-seven-year veteran teacher in the Indian River County School System.  She offers her perspective on helping students and parents’ manage virtual school from home for the first time.  No one expected this and the process has been stressful and productive.  Everyone is working hard, learning new skills, and things about themselves. Ms. Blythe is pleased and surprised by how well things have gone. She has some insights that will be helpful to both parents and students. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:56] Susan introduces Leah Blythe and she talks about her experience with the online resources for teaching during the pandemic. [08:21] Leah talks about how she has kept a personal connection with her students during the pandemic. [15:10] Leah explains some of the adjustments teachers and students have had to make. [20:07] How are the kids who are struggling to pass being helped or graded during the pandemic? [24:27] Leah explains what happens if a student doesn’t pass a class. [28:13] Susan and Leah discuss how the teachers are dealing with the children that are struggling without in person learning and daily interaction with other students. [36:26] Leah shares her final tips on how to get through this pandemic ------------------------------ QUOTES 10:38 “Flexibility is key in a situation like this where everybody's dealing with something different.” 13:52 “We're dealing with the virus right now, but for those little ones to learn, the reading, the writing and the simple math is absolutely essential for the years to come.” 19:58 “Parents have become extremely awakened as to what it takes to educate their own child.” 29:54  “I was so excited to see my students. I mean you hadn't seen these people. And they're wonderful people. You haven't seen them for a month, and they are your motivation for being there every day.” 32:58 “I think that's something kids will walk away from this with is, feeling far more a part of their family and connected with their family through after this and during this.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Chesnutt Law-Firm Website: Exchange Club of Indian River County: Indian River Charter High School: Edpuzzle: Audubon House: FAU Harbor Branch:
May 7, 2020
#1 - Co-Parenting During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Psychology and the Law, with Dr Nancy Vrechek
SUMMARY Dr. Nancy Vrechek is a court-appointed expert, parent coordinator, and social investigator.  Dr. Vrechek has spent many years helping parents and their children navigate the choppy waters of divorce and family separation.  Things can be complicated, but there are processes and tactics that can be implemented to smooth the transition to a new normal.  In this Podcast, Dr. Vrechek offers a number of great strategies that can help your family with the trauma of divorce and the COVID-19 outbreak. ------------------------------ HIGHLIGHTS [00:51] Susan introduces Dr. Nancy Vrecheck and she talks about her experience with COVID-19. [03:07] Dr. Vrecheck talks about time sharing between separated parents during COVID. [06:26] Dr. Vrecheck explains how an anxious parent should deal with talking to their kid about COVID. [15:19] Dr. Vrecheck shares some tips on how to not butt heads with the other parent when discussing time sharing. [21:23] How do you keep yourself from stressing you and your kids out during quarantine? [23:44] Susan and Dr. Vrecheck discuss the legal parenting changes during COVID. ------------------------------ QUOTES 4:33 “Parents gets stuck in defending themselves to the other parent, and I think that's one of the most difficult things in co-parenting is to get out of that defense mode and ask for information and have the conversation.” 10:42  “Just tell a child, you know what a cold is and you know what the flu is, and right now there's a really bad flu going around.” 15:50 “Sometimes parents are just scared, and so they may be withholding the child because they're really afraid.” 19:25  “Parents can still allow their children to go outside and we can do activities with them, and those things were just supposed to be social distancing from other people.” 21:48 “So the psychologists have a national listserv, or we share ideas with each other, and the number one thing that keeps coming up, I just maintain a routine.” ------------------------------ RESOURCES Dr. Nancy Vrechek Phone: 561-747-3997 Email: Website : Chesnutt Law-Firm Website: Chesnutt Law-Firm Website Parenting Plan Information:
May 6, 2020