By Sustainability Speaks
Welcome to the Sustainability Speaks podcast, where Anastasia and Saskia chat with innovative entrepreneurs and businesses about sustainability, business strategy, finance, science, politics, fashion, diet and everything in between!
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Storing solar energy to make your home more sustainable - featuring Moixa.
In this episode, we were joined by Moixa, one of the UK’s leading energy storage and AI software companies. We discussed how their smart battery stores excess solar energy in a home so the owner can use the energy they generated without purchasing it back from the grid. We also touched on the energy industry more generally and what else needs to be done to ensure a smooth transition to renewable energy.
August 16, 2022
The role of certification in natural and organic cosmetics - featuring Mark Smith from NATRUE.
In this episode, Anastasia and Saskia spoke with Mark Smith, the Director General of NATRUE, the organisation behind the natural and organic cosmetics certification standard. They discussed the certification process, and the importance of NATRUE's scheme in ensuring cosmetic products are not only organic and natural but also safe. Enjoy! More of NATRUE: natrue.org @natrue_aisbl More of Sustainability Speaks
August 09, 2022
The effects of chemical sun cream on the environment - Featuring Suntribe.
In this episode, we discussed why natural mineral sun cream is important to protect coral reefs and marine life. We also delved into how suncream works and how to spot an environmentally friendly sun cream. Julia rounded off the episode by busting some sun cream related myths, including the difference between SPF 30 and SPF 50. *Warning, are not dermatologists, and we are not qualified to provide medical advice. Please conduct your own research before using a sun cream.* More of Suntribe: Website: suntribesunscreen.com Instagram: @suntribesunscreen More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk Other Sources Mentioned: beatthemicrobead.org
August 02, 2022
Sustainable diets (the chocolate edition) - featuring Sameer from Prodigy Snacks.
In this episode, we discussed what makes Prodigy’s snacks great for you and the environment. Hint - they don’t use refined sugars, palm oil or glucose syrups. So what do they use? How do they source these raw materials ethically? And what makes Prodigy different from other plant-based chocolate brands? Take a listen to have your questions answered. More of Prodigy: Website: ProdigySnacks Instagram: Prodigysnacks More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
July 26, 2022
Ensuring supply chain sustainability in the fashion industry - featuring Shameek Ghosh from TrusTrace.
In this episode, Anastasia sat down with the founder of TrusTrace, Shameek Ghosh to discuss how supply chain traceability is the key to sustainability in fashion. They discussed how the organisation was founded, how they now work with famous brands, such as Adidas and how supply chain traceability is becoming ever more important for consumers as well as brands due to the implementation of more stringent laws globally. Enjoy! More of TrusTrace Website: trustrace.com Instagram: @trustrace More of Sustainability Speaks
July 19, 2022
Discussing the sustainable soup industry - featuring Anastasia Argent from Soupologie.
For this episode, Anastasia sat down with Anastasia Argent from Soupologie. They discussed how the family soup business was founded, its sustainable values, new product launches and the wider food industry! Enjoy! More of Soupologie Website: soupologie.com Instagram: @soupologie More of Sustainability Speaks
July 05, 2022
Discussing Global Citizenship - featuring Steve Sanders.
For this episode, Saskia sat down with Steve Sanders, author of Five Horizons and entrepreneur. We discussed the role global citizenship played in shaping Steve's approach to corporate governance and how it is essential for corporations to identify their mission and values. Enjoy! Website: fivehorizonsbook.com More of Sustainability Speaks
June 28, 2022
Fighting climate change with money - featuring the founder of Clim8.
For this episode, Anastasia sat down with Duncan, the founder of Clim8, a sustainable investment platform. We talked about how Clim8 was founded and the role that the organisation plays in enabling individuals to invest in sustainable companies to fight climate change and also grow their wealth. Similarly, we discussed the importance of knowing where your money is being invested and how it is arguably the most effective tool in fighting climate change. Enjoy! More of Clim8 More of Sustainability Speaks
June 14, 2022
Discussing the oat milk industry - featuring Ben from Minor Figures.
In this episode, we had the pleasure of welcoming Ben, the EMEA GM of Minor Figures. We discussed how Minor Figures were founded and how the brand evolved over the years. We also touched upon why Minor Figures choose to focus on YBCCs (young, bold, cool and conscious consumers) and their future global goals and ambitions. Enjoy! More of Minor Figures: minorfigures.com Instagram: @minorfigures More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
May 24, 2022
Designing products sustainably - featuring Ian Peterman from Peterman.
In this episode, we were joined by Ian Peterman, the CEO of Peterman and the publisher of ‘Conscious Design’. We discussed the importance of sustainable design, covering what makes a product sustainable and where to begin. Ian delved into the content of his book, which includes how to create a sustainable brand and product. The episode is rounded off by a discussion of how market forces impact the demand for sustainable products. More of Peterman: petermanfirm.com Instagram: @petermanfirm More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
May 17, 2022
Sustainable adventure travel - featuring James from Intrepid Travel.
In this episode, we were joined by James, the CEO of Intrepid Travel - the world's leading sustainable travel agency. We discussed what makes Intrepid unique, including small group tours, empowering local communities, and using local tour guides. Following this, we learnt how they became the largest carbon-neutral travel company, achieving B Corp Certification and adhering to science-based targets. Finally, we touched on their recovery from Covid-19. More of Intrepid Travel: intrepidtravel.com Instagram: @Intrepidtravel More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
May 16, 2022
How you can make an impact through Activist Investing - featuring Jenna from Tulipshare.
In this episode, we spoke with Jenna from Tulipshare, a platform that enables individuals to acquire shares in publicly listed companies and participate in ESG campaigns. We discussed how Tulipshare has grown since its inception in 2021, and how anyone can part-take in its initiatives and work together towards making big corporations more ethical and sustainable. Enjoy! More of Tulipshare: tulipshare.com Instagram: @tulipshare More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
May 10, 2022
Pioneering the Bio Energy industry in Nigeria - featuring Pamodzi Bio Energy Solutions.
For this episode, Anastasia sat down with the founders of Pamodzi Bio Energy Solutions, a company that is pioneering the bioenergy industry in Nigeria. We discussed the team's individual journies in the sustainable and renewable space, how they founded the company, their successes to date and future ambitions. Enjoy! More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk More of Pamodzi Bio Energy Solutions: pamodzibes.com
April 27, 2022
What is carbon accounting and how popular is it? - featuring Pierre from Emitwise.
For this episode, Anastasia had the pleasure of speaking with Pierre from Emitwise. We discussed carbon accounting and how the industry is growing, enabling businesses to truly understand their carbon emissions and how to reduce them. We also talked about careers in sustainability and the growing popularity of B Corp Certification. Enjoy! More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: sustainabilityspeaks.uk More of Emitwise: Website: emitwise.com
April 12, 2022
How using data from satellites can guide organisations to develop and deliver sustainability strategies - featuring Richard from GlobalTrust
For this episode, we were joined by Richard, the CEO and Co-founder of GlobalTrust. We discussed how his company uses satellite images to help clients achieve sustainability goals, such as the fashion industry, mining industry, and governments. He also shared the challenges GlobalTrust has faced since opening and his thoughts on the future. More of GlobalTrust: https://globaltrustgrp.com/ More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
April 05, 2022
How to make your wardrobe more sustainable? - featuring the founder of Eco-Stylist
For this episode, we sat down with Garik, the founder of Eco-Stylist, a guide to ethically and sustainably made clothing. We discussed the importance of sustainability in fashion, how to start building an ethical wardrobe and how Eco-Stylist can help you on this journey. Enjoy! More of Eco-Stylist: eco-stylist.com Instagram: @yourecostylist Brand Directory More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
March 22, 2022
Turning waste into clean energy - featuring Oshik from HomeBiogas
In this episode, we were joined by Oshik, the Co-founder and CEO of HomeBiogas, a system that turns waste into clean energy. We discussed how the system works, including how to get one installed and what the energy can be used for. We also touched on HomeBiogas’ recent IPO and how this has changed the business. Finally, we discussed their biggest achievement - improving lives in developing countries. More of HomeBiogas: www.homebiogas.com Instagram: @home_biogas More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
March 15, 2022
What is plastic offsetting? - featuring the CEO of Precycle.
In this episode, we spoke to Christian, the CEO of Precycle. Precycle allows a brand or individual to offset their plastic footprint through plastic credits. We discussed how this is tackling the plastic crisis and the application of their triple impact plan - social, economic and environmental. More of Precycle: precycle.today Instagram: @precycle.today More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
March 01, 2022
Discussing period taboos and environmental impacts - featuring the founder of Redpanti
In this episode, we were joined by the founder of Redpanti, a sustainable period product company. We discussed why traditional products are bad for the environment, what sustainable products are available and the existence of period taboos. Enjoy! More of Redpanti: redpanti.es/en Instagram: @redpanti.es More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
February 22, 2022
A discussion with a global sustainable venture studio - featuring the founder of Satgana.
In this episode, we sat down with Romain Diaz, the founder and CEO of Satgana - a global venture studio on a mission to launch and fund planet-positive startups to build the future of the earth. We discussed how the company chooses its applicants, how they aim to accelerate their business and their future goals. Enjoy! More of Satgana: satgana.com Instagram: @satgana_ More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
February 08, 2022
How can the UK Energy Sector be more sustainable? - featuring Pete Martin from Always be Content.
For this episode, we spoke with Pete Martin from Always be Content, the world's first content, activation and customer experience consultancy. We discussed the UK energy sector, greenwashing and how the government can play a more active role in climate change mitigation. Enjoy! More of Always Be Content: alwaysbecontent.com Instagram: @alwaysbeinsta More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
January 25, 2022
How sustainable can a pencil be? - featuring the founder of Sprout.
In this episode, we had the pleasure of speaking with Michael Stausholm, the founder of Sprout, who has been previously featured in Forbes. His B2B company manufactures pencils that when planted release seeds into the ground, growing various different plants. We discussed how the idea originated, the company's expansion into the makeup industry and their future ambitions of implementing the use of blockchain into their business model. Enjoy! More of Sprout: sproutworld.com Instagram: @sproutworldofficial More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
January 16, 2022
Sustainable Living and Parenting - featuring Luci Petlack
In this episode, we were joined by sustainable lifestyle influencer Luci Petlack to discuss sustainable living. We talk about her transition to becoming a sustainable blogger, including tackling the guilt associated with making the transition to a sustainable lifestyle. Lastly, we touched on sustainable parenting and avoiding building unnecessary toys and clothes. Enjoy! More of Luci: lucismorsels.com Instagram: @lucismorsels More of Sustainability Speaks: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram:@sustainabilityspeaks.uk
January 11, 2022
Planet Positive Textiles - featuring SaltyCo.
On this episode, we spoke to the founding team of SaltyCo, a material science company that makes planet positive textiles by actively healing damaged ecosystems through an innovative material supply chain. We discussed how they got started and the importance of integrating sustainability into the production procedure rather than having it as an afterthought. More of SaltyCo: Website: SaltyCo Instagram: @saltyco.uk More of Sustainability Speaks Website: sustianabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainabilityspeaks.uk
December 17, 2021
Is your space sustainable? - featuring sustainable interior designer Rachel Fowler
For this episode, we were joined by Rachel Fowler, a sustainable interior designer. We discussed the meaning of the sustainable design, why this is important to the environment and our well-being, and how to create a healthy and sustainable place. We also touched on her new book 'My Happy Place', which recently topped Amazon's Hot New Release list for Sustainable and Green Architecture. Enjoy!
November 09, 2021
The rise of sustainability on the African continent - featuring the founder of Afrigod.
For this episode, we welcomed Miguel Peters, the founder of Afrigod. His organisation operates in various countries across the African continent, with its headquarters being in Lagos, Nigeria. We discussed the obstacles Africa faces when becoming more sustainable and also talked about various projects that Afrigod runs to spread awareness about sustainability through sport and also provide financial support for businesses wanting to go greener. Enjoy! More of Afrigod: Website: Afrigod Instagram: @afrigod1 More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
October 19, 2021
Sustainable Shaving - featuring the co-founder of Mutiny.
For this episode, we spoke with Gareth, the co-founder of Mutiny - a Newport based shaving brand. We discussed the importance of using existing materials to make new products and collaboration in the sustainability space. Similarly, we touched upon Mutiny's latest campaign, revolving around the hybrid razor made from discarded fishing materials as well as their new products including skincare. Enjoy! More of Mutiny: Website: mutinyshaving.co.uk Instagram: @mutinyshaving More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
October 05, 2021
What is a slow fashion company? - featuring the founder of Lora Gene
For this episode, we welcomed Lora Nikolaeva, the founder of Lora Gene - a slow fashion company. We discussed how the brand creates timeless styles to suit all ages and sizes. We touched upon the fashion industry as a whole, the greenwashing issue, factory working conditions, and the importance of creating a capsule wardrobe. Enjoy! More of Lora Gene: Instagram: @loragene_ More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
September 21, 2021
Can apps change our behaviour? - featuring the founder of Changers
For this episode, we spoke with Daniela, the founder of Changers, an app designed to help individuals live more sustainably and convert their carbon-reducing behaviour into credits. We spoke about how the app originated, how it is growing, and also about being a female founder in the male tech-dominated industry. Enjoy! Learn more about Changers and download the app: Website: Changers Instagram: @changerscom Download the app for IOS (also available on Android) More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: Sustainability Speaks Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
September 07, 2021
Sustainable Colombian Coffee & the importance of roasting at origin - featuring Amor Perfecto
For this episode, we welcomed Amor Perfecto, who joined us to discuss the coffee industry. They are a brand that roast coffee beans at origin, which is important to the coffee's taste and allows for profits to be kept in Colombia. In this episode, they shared stores of the national barista championships and even one love story! Enjoy! More of Amor Perfecto: Website: cafeamorperfecto.com Instagram: @cafeamorperfecto More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
August 24, 2021
Exploring Sustainable Travel - featuring the co-founder of ExplorEquity
In this episode, we spoke with Catarina, the co-founder of ExplorEquity, an organisation that facilitates ethical and socially sustainable travel. We encourage you to listen to this podcast to learn more about how you can travel in a socially sustainable way and support local communities in your destinations. Enjoy! More of ExplorEquity: Website: explorequity.com Instagram: @explorequity More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
August 10, 2021
Giving furniture a second life through Upcycling - featuring the founder of Upcycle Studio
In this episode, we had the pleasure of talking with Francesca, the founder of Upcycle Studio. She started her business in lockdown and we discussed her business model, the process of upcycling furniture and Francesca's future ambitions for her business and the industry. Enjoy! Learn more about Upcycle Studio: Website: Upcycled Furniture & Homeware | Upcycle Studio | England Instagram: @upcycle_studio More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: Sustainability Speaks Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
July 27, 2021
Creating a net-zero gift card company - featuring the founder of Avocardo.
For this episode Stasia sat down with Louis, the founder of Avocardo, a gift card company that makes its cards from recycled materials and plants one tree for every sale. We discussed Louis' idea behind the business, the production process, and his ambitions for Avocardo in the future. Enjoy! Learn more about Avocardo: Website: avocardo.shop Instagram: @avocardouk More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
July 13, 2021
Discussing the future of accelerating sustainable businesses - featuring the founder of UnRest.
For this episode, we sat down with Orr, the founder of UnRest, a London-based accelerator, helping sustainable startups prosper and change the market. We discussed how startups can change the market and impact environmental regulations, as well as the importance of ESG, creating a community amongst sustainable business founders, and how UnRest helps businesses grow financially and strategically. We hope that you enjoy this episode! Learn more about UnRest: Website: unrest.world Instagram: @unrest.world More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
June 29, 2021
Is FinTech the future of sustainability? - featuring Seeds Renewables
For this episode of our podcast series, we had the pleasure of talking to the team at Seeds Renewables. Seeds is a FinTech app due to launch in early 2022. It will allow its users to invest in renewable energy projects of their choice when purchasing items with a guaranteed return on their investment, regardless of how small. Throughout the podcast, we discussed the difference between crowdfunding and crowdlending, the investment process behind the app, and the team's ambitions for Seeds. Enjoy! Find out more about Seeds: Website: seedsrenewables.com Instagram: @seedsrenewables More of Sustainability Speaks: Website: sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
June 15, 2021
Discussing Carbon Offsetting - featuring James from SettleUp Earth.
For the third episode of our podcast series, we sat down with James, who is the co-founder of SettleUp Earth, as well as one of our content creators Connor. We discussed how James co-founded SettleUp Earth, aiming to encourage individuals and businesses to track their carbon footprint and offset it by planting trees. Similarly, we touched upon the actual details of the carbon offsetting process, talked about how planting trees is a simpler alternative to carbon capture, and also debated whether carbon offsetting can be used as a greenwashing method. We hope that you enjoy this episode! Find out more about SettleUp Earth: Website: Home | SettleUp Earth Instagram: @settleup.earth Find out more about Sustainability Speaks: Website: Sustainability Speaks Instagram: @sustainability_speaks
April 13, 2021
Making the coffee industry more sustainable - featuring the co-founder of HUNU.
This podcast is the first episode of our new series where we partner with businesses that are passionate about sustainability and discuss their industry sector. For this episode, it was our pleasure to have a discussion with Vince, co-founder of HUNU. HUNU is a brand that has created a reusable, collapsable, and stylish cup, which can be used for hot or cold beverages. Amidst the brand's recent Kickstarter, launching a bigger cup, we had a discussion with Vince about the coffee industry, the global culture of convenience and consumerism, as well as the bigger message behind HUNU, encouraging people to make small changes. We hope that you enjoy this episode! Discover HUNU: Website: wearehunu.com Instagram: @wearehunu
March 16, 2021
Veganuary Special - Implications of Veganism for the Environment, Human Health & International Cultures.
In light of Veganuary we have dedicated this episode to veganism! We discuss our personal experience with veganism and the implications your diet can have on the environment with a specific focus on the meat, soy, dairy and fish industries. Throughout this podcast we also address the topic of human health and give tips about how vegans can ensure they still get all the necessary nutrients. Finally, we discuss how feasible it is to expect people around the world to become vegan if they come from a low income background or eating meat is part of their tradition and culture. Follow Saskia on TikTok to keep up with her Veganuary journey: @saskiawyld6
January 05, 2021
Christmas Special - a simple guide to a more sustainable Christmas!
This episode is our Christmas special! We discuss how to reduce your carbon footprint during the holidays by changing some of your habits, which contribute to the world's greatest annual environmental disaster. We address how your eating, drinking, gift purchasing and wrapping habits can be changed in order to minimize your impact on the environment.
December 15, 2020
Can Green Architecture save the Planet?
In this episode we tackle the interesting topic of green architecture. We talk about how it originated, what it is and why it is important for the environment, human health and the economy. We specifically mention various green buildings around the world as well as discuss the work of Italian architect Stefano Boeri, who we found through a YouTuber called Ben, who has a channel calling 'Going Green'. Stefano Boeri's website: Home | Stefano Boeri Architetti Ben's videos mentioned in the podcast: Green Architecture Saving the World | Visiting Sustainable Buildings from Across the Planet - YouTube Could Architects Save the Planet? | Sustainable Architecture - YouTube
December 08, 2020
A realistic glimpse of the way the UK deals with the nation's food waste.
In this episode we discuss the issue of food waste and its environmental implications. At the center of our discussion is the Waste Hierarchy, which is part of EU law. We talk about how producers, transporters, suppliers and individuals contribute to the problem of food waste and how they can reduce their contributions. As we discuss the Waste Hierarchy we debate why the UK is not complying with the EU directive and is choosing to burn edible food via anaerobic digestion, when edible food needs to be redistributed among people who need it.
December 01, 2020
Conservation vs Confinement. Are Zoos & Trophy Hunting worth it?
In this episode we debate whether the dark side of zoos, Sea World and trophy hunting outweigh the alleged benefits of those practices. We draw upon statistical evidence and various arguments, which argue for and against these practices, which are well known for their entertainment purposes as well as their investments in animal conservation. Throughout this podcast we bring to you various ideas as to why their conservation efforts are not enough.
November 24, 2020
A Bloody Nightmare! Is there a more sustainable way to menstruate?
In this episode we tackle the topic of sustainable period products and why so few women choose to use them. We conducted our own research survey on young women like ourselves who kindly told us what period products they use and why - we analyse the results of this survey and touch upon our personal experiences. We give a historical overview of period products, talk about the immense damage disposable period products are having on the environment and discuss how sustainable products, such as the menstrual cup, washable pads/underwear have room for improvement. An overarching topic throughout the entirety of this podcast is the prominent social stigma towards periods, which still pressures women to be discreet and shameful about one of the most natural bodily processes. You will find links to sustainable period product brands that we've mentioned on our website! - sustainabilityspeaks.co.uk/our-podcasts
November 17, 2020
The Impact of COVID-19 on Sustainability
In this episode we discuss the negative and positive effects the COVID-19 pandemic has had and is continuing to have on sustainability. Throughout the podcast we address how the virus halted the 17 SDGs, how it forced businesses to rethink their future strategies, the significant increase in waste and the temporary decrease in pollution. Enjoy!
November 10, 2020
Fast Fashion - Explained.
In this episode we discuss what fast fashion is and how it is negatively contributing to environmental problems. Additionally, we reflect on our personal experience with fast fashion and societal trends which influence how young adults shop for new clothing. Finally, we give some tips as to how you can stop contributing to the fast fashion industry.
November 03, 2020
How sustainable can growing companies really be in a capitalist environment?
In this podcast our main focus centers around the recent criticism Oatly has come under after taking an investment from Blackstone. We discuss the scandal, debate whether future businesses in similar positions should be more mindful and analyze who should regulate the market.
October 26, 2020
Thoughts on the 'David Attenborough: A Life On Our Planet' Documentary
In this podcast we share our individual thoughts on the documentary and delve deeper into topics such as farming, extinction, the Paris Agreement and Morocco’s solar energy production!
October 19, 2020
Introducing Sustainability Speaks
Welcome to Sustainability Speaks, with your hosts Saskia and Stasia. This is our first quick welcome episode, where we introduce ourselves, talk about our backgrounds and what shaped our interest in everything and anything sustainable. We also briefly touch on topics that we will be discussing in the future - so stay tuned for that.
October 13, 2020