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Crazy Grief

Crazy Grief

By Tatiana Hotere

After the death of my husband, grief hit me like a tsunami. I feared I was losing my mind. For the sake of my kids, I had to find a way to cope, but I didn't know how. My ideas about grief didn't match my experience and I was often told to move on. But I've discovered there is no moving on, only moving forward carrying our grief with us. Crazy Grief is as a safe space for real, unpolished, candid conversations about grief, and all the crazy stuff that comes with it. Because when we have to care for our kids while grieving the death of our life partner, we need all the encouragement we can get.
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24. This too shall pass. Really? - Solocast

Crazy GriefMar 11, 2021

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24. This too shall pass. Really? - Solocast

24. This too shall pass. Really? - Solocast

In this finale episode of the first season of Crazy Grief Podcast, we talk about the 3 P's - Personalisation, Permanence and Pervasiveness. And we explore some of negative thought patterns we can become attached to, which may affect our wellbeing and our progression through our grief journey. 

Crazy Grief Podcast is now officially in hiatus for a few months, while I tend to some other important parts of my life. 

ButI would still love to hear from you. Please connect with me through facebook https://www.facebook.com/crazygrief or Instagram https://www.instagram.com/crazygriefconversations/?hl=en

And share the love by spreading this podcast to your family, friends and through your social networks. We never know who may benefit from some encouragement for their own grief. Also, please subscribe and rate this podcast so we can continue to produce more conversations about this often avoided topic.

It been a pleasure to have hosted so many amazing guests and to have the input of incredible human beings during the first season of Crazy Grief podcast.  

Till the next season. May you find pockets of joy and hope amidst your grief journey.


Light and peace,


Tatiana xo


Mar 11, 202149:30
23. Grief Shame - The dangers of minimising our own grief - Solocast

23. Grief Shame - The dangers of minimising our own grief - Solocast

Every loss is unique. Every loss comes with its own unique challenges. But often when we negate the impact of our own grief because we feel like we can't compare our loss with someone else. we end up invalidating our own grief experience. 

There is a  tendency to diminish our own grief in light of someone else's loss, especially if the person we lost is not a spouse, a child or a parent. However, when we are feeling the loss of a brother, a friend, a work colleague, but we do not acknowledge our grief, and when don't give it space to exist and to be expressed, because it's 'worse' for other people, we then start to shame ourselves. 

Grief shame is toxic and it festers. Hiding it, denying it, minimising it, will only bring more distress and struggle. Giving yourself permission to grief is the best thing you can do for yourself and for the people you love. 

Love and light,


Tatiana xoxo

Feb 19, 202140:41
22. Grief in the Workplace - How to navigate the difficulties bereavement when you have to show up at work.
Feb 11, 202101:15:17
21. Reframing our questions - The questions we ask can either help or hinder our grief journey.
Feb 04, 202148:50
20. Motherhood Grief - Looking after yourself so you can look after your grieving children - with Megan Hillukka

20. Motherhood Grief - Looking after yourself so you can look after your grieving children - with Megan Hillukka

Mothers often put themselves last in order to care for everyone else. But when the death of a family member brings paralysing grief, how can a grieving mother continue to care for her children who are also grieving? 

Every family, every death, and every situation is unique, but there are some common elements bereaved mothers face. Drawing from her personal experience and her work as a grief coach, Megan Hillukka shares practical advise on self-care which enables mothers to find health ways to care for themselves in their process of grief, while also being present for their living child/children, and assist them in their unique grief journey.  

Megan Hillukka runs a "Life after child loss program" which supports bereaved mothers to embrace their grief journey and create meaning and purpose for their own lives. Megan's online workshop "Spot talking, Start Feeling" is a great tool for those who desire to find healthier ways to relate to their own grief and reconnect with their emotions. 

You can get in touch with Megan through her website https://www.meganhillukka.com/

Thank you for listening to the Crazy Grief Podcast. Please share it and give us a review and 5 stars rating so we can continue to create more meaning conversation about this often avoided topic. You can follow Crazy Grief and get in touch with me on FaceBook https://www.facebook.com/crazygrief and on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/crazygriefconversations/?hl=en 

I would love to hear from you.

You can also check out https://www.crazygrief.com/ for blog posts and extra resources. 

 

Much love, 


Tatiana xo

Jan 28, 202101:19:22
19. Embrace the grief to recover the joy - Feel the feelings and let them move through your body.
Jan 21, 202101:00:11
18. Sex for one: The intersection of grief and sexuality - Christy Lanterman

18. Sex for one: The intersection of grief and sexuality - Christy Lanterman

Fix the sex and you fix the relationship (according to Esther Perel). But how does a widowed person deal with the challenges of their sexual desire for a partner who is no longer here. To make things even more complex, when spiritual beliefs bring shame, condemnation and secrecy about sex, what is a healthy path towards exploring our own sexuality when we are now on our own? 

Together with my dear friend Christy Lanterman, who is an amazing counsellor based in Kansas City, I share some of my very personal journey of struggle and celebration in re-discovering and -reclaiming my own sexuality after the death of my husband. 

I've heard the saying "Absence makes the heart grow fonder" and in my experience, not having my husband physically present has certainly increased my desire for intimacy with him. I believe I am not the only one who feels like this. Death in many instances can intensify the intimacy desire we feel for our partner, and unleash a difficult and often complicated path to fulfil the sexual need we truly crave for. But open and tasteful conversations about this topic in relationship to grief, are rare and often avoided

The intersection of grief and sexuality is unique for each grieving individual, and recognising that our sexual needs and desires didn't die with our partner is the first step towards reclaiming our bodies and finding a new expression of this integral part of being human. 


Christy Lanterman is a master’s level licensed professional counsellor with emphasis in couples and family therapy. Two years of experience counselling individuals, couples and families. Success working with a diverse clientele presenting with a variety of concerns including trauma, history of physical and sexual abuse, depression, anxiety, grief, religious wounds, relationship and family concerns, infidelity, intimacy, co-parenting, divorce, separation and reunification.

Christy understands that every person’s story and situation is unique and valid. She is intentional about developing trust and creating a judgment free space because she sees counselling as a collaborative process where my primary goal is to meet you at whatever point in your journey you are today. When working with couples, she takes a Gottman approach, which integrates empirical evidence on what makes love last. Based on 40 years of relationship research, the Gottman approach takes the guess-work out of how we can cultivate strong and lasting relationships.

You can find out more about Christy and her counselling practice, on her website https://www.christylanterman.com/home/about-me?fbclid=IwAR3-KxLE9uQD5nFbyV2heKP3nfvEo_dqw-P9CBGNLhkKe8O53c0GEDFuAKA. If you would like to book an appointment or get in touch with Christy click this link https://www.christylanterman.com/home/contact-me

If you would like to get in touch, please email tatiana@crazygrief.com or check out my website www.crazygrief.com

Thank you so much for listening. Please share, subscribe and rate this show so we can continue to make more episodes.

Much love,

Tatiana xo


Jan 20, 202101:32:46
17. Dating after the loss of a spouse - Claudia Coenen Part 2

17. Dating after the loss of a spouse - Claudia Coenen Part 2

Not everyone is interested in dating again after the death of a spouse, but for many of us, being alone is not something we want either. For many people the possibility  and challenges of finding love after loss, of connecting with someone special in a physical and emotional level is a deep desire because as human being we are wired for connection and intimacy. We thrive in healthy relationships and we wither in the absence of it.

It is incredibly difficult exploring how to heal our own lives, specially how to engage in loving again while navigating the turmoil of grieving children and close family members. Everyone wants us to be happy - in theory. In reality, dating after loss activates other people's grief into high decibel waves.

Claudia Coenen - our guest from the previous episode - from The Karuna Project (www.thekarunaproject.com) talks openly about her personal experience of dating and developing a new relationship with her current husband, whom she met several months after the death of her first husband Alby. 

In 2008, Claudia entered a Masters Program in transpersonal psychology with the goal of becoming a creative grief counsellor. She majored in creativity and innovation. She joined the Association for Death Education and Counselling, where she has been certified in thanatology and is now a Fellow in Thanatology - the study of death, dying and bereavement.  In 2011, Claudia began working as a bereavement counsellor in a hospice program, occasionally seeing private clients on the side. By the end of 2015, she started her private practice in earnest and began to write her first book. The Karuna Cards and Shattered by Grief were then published in 2018.

Her new book, The Creative Toolkit for Working with Grief and Bereavement: A Practitioners Guide, was released in print on July 2020. She is currently working on a book about Loving after Loss, which will include the benefits, issues and dilemmas felt by widowed people when they choose to date and possible re-partner again. Claudia is also developing and presenting programs at Inova Hospital in Virginia for adults with cystic fibrosis, on creative wellness strategies. 

All three of Claudia Coenen's publications are available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble and on this link: https://www.jkp.com/usa/catalogsearch/result/?q=claudia+coenen

As a panelist and public speaker, Claudia often participates in interesting workshops, conferences and events. A free event Claudia, together with Robert Neimeyer will be sharing at is happening on Thursday, October 29th at 1:00pm-2:00pm NZDT. It's hosted by Grief Dialogues https://letsreimagine.org/organizations/grief-dialogues. 

You can find out more about the free event here: https://letsreimagine.org/58851/8-am-time-to-talk-about-traumatic-loss 


If you would like to get in touch, please email tatiana@crazygrief.com or check out my website www.crazygrief.com

Thank you so much for listening. Please share, subscribe and rate this show so we can continue to make more episodes. 

Much love,


Tatiana xo

Oct 22, 202001:02:05
16. Creativity in Grief - Claudia Coenen

16. Creativity in Grief - Claudia Coenen

Human beings are by nature creative and imaginative. Because grief is a holistic experience that affects every level of our being and it requires an outlet, tapping into a creative process can be extremely cathartic during our grief journey. Creativity can really help us process our emotions and find a way through. Be it journaling, drawing, dancing, singing, or even having a mindful walk in nature, any big or small creative is valuable.

Claudia Coenen is a certified grief counsellor and thanatologist with a Masters in Transpersonal Psychology. Her life experience as a performer, mother, chef and widow informs her work. Claudia has a private practice in Hudson, NY where she helps people move through grief, cope with illness, and relationship issues, often bringing simple art modalities into her sessions.

Claudia leads workshops and talks on the effectiveness of expressive arts in bereavement and is part of the Virtual Funeral Collective that produced the informational paper entitled Death, Grief and Funerals in the Covid Age, a resource guide for funerals, dying and grief during the pandemic. (www.covidpaper.org)  While working in a hospice program with patients and their families, Claudia developed The Karuna Cards, a deck of creative ideas for grief and difficult life transitions and is the author of Shattered by Grief: Picking up the Pieces to become WHOLE again. Her new book, The Creative Toolkit for Working with Grief and Bereavement: A Practitioners Guide, was released in print on July 2020. All three are available for purchase on Amazon, at Barnes and Noble and through this link: https://www.jkp.com/usa/catalogsearch/result/?q=claudia+coenen

You can book sessions with Claudia and find out more about The Karuna Project on www.thekarunaproject.com where there are lots of information about Claudia's work, her publications and links to articles as well as videos, podcasts and interviews.

Check out the free online event hosted by Grief Dialogues on Thursday October 29th 1pm-2pm NZT where  Claudia Coenen will be a panelist together with Robert Neimeyer. You can register here: https://letsreimagine.org/58851/8-am-time-to-talk-about-traumatic-loss

If you would like to get in touch, please visit www.crazygrief.com and drop me a note. I would really love to hear from you. And please subscribe, share and rate this show so I can continue to produce more meaningful conversations about grief. 

With lots of love, 


Tatiana xo


Oct 17, 202001:03:16
15. Holding space for someone to grieve - Edna Gaspar

15. Holding space for someone to grieve - Edna Gaspar

There are people who show up and pay their respects when a death occurs. There are people who show up and bring practical help in the days and weeks after a funeral. And them, there are people who continue to show up months and years later as a grieving person tries - and often fails - to rebuild a new life after the death of their person. 

My dearest friend, soul sister, delightful "companheira" Edna Gaspar is the kind of person who can do all of the above and beyond. And she does it with intention and unconditional love.  I wish everyone could have a friend like Edna because people like her are a gift to this world. 

Edna and her husband Olegario run  Pearanui, an NGO in Tauranga, New Zealand, which provides youth programs for kids at risk without a stable family structure. They pour their heart, soul and hard work into creating a safe, loving and inclusive environment where kids can learn practical skills that will give them better chances of future employment, pick up life and communication skills to help them face challenges and create a build relationships in healthy ways, as well as providing them with a hopeful and encouraging perspective about themselves. 

To know more about Edna and Olegario's work contact them at pearanui@gmail.com

If you would like to get in touch with me and know more about Crazy Grief, please send me a message here https://www.crazygrief.com/contact

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Consider sharing this podcast because we never know who may be silently struggling with grief months and even years after the death of someone. Please subscribe to Crazy Grief podcast, leave us a review and a 5 star rating so we can continue to produce more meaningful conversations about grief.

Light and peace,

Tatiana xo


Sep 17, 202001:03:19
14. Attachments Beyond Death - Ruth Lawson-McConnell

14. Attachments Beyond Death - Ruth Lawson-McConnell

Our attachments don't die with the person we lost. In many cases they do intensify but in the absence of their physical presence it's vitally important to redefine what kind of relationship we can still have with our person. In this episode Dr. Ruth Lawson- McConnell explains the 6 stages of attachment, and how we can redefine them in order to foster a new way to relate with our loved one who is not physically present.

Dr. Ruth Lawson -McConnell is a brilliant therapist who also happen to be my dear friend. Ruth is a sought-after counsellor and trainer with 30 years’ experience of counselling adults, children, adolescents and families. She specialises in Attachment issues both in adults and children; her clinical practice involves individual work with people experiencing relationship difficulties, depression, anxiety and trauma, specialist supervision on attachment issues, as well as parent consulting on behavioural and emotional issues in children and adolescents.  She is a Professional Associate of the Neufeld Institute where she trained with Dr Gordon Neufeld in his Attachment based Developmental paradigm. She is also a certified Neuro-psychotherapist as well as a Partners of Sexual Addicts Trauma specialist.  

Dr. Ruth offers free online resources such as coping with grief and anxiety in COVID, as well as online training courses for counsellors, psychologists, pastors, spiritual directors, mental health workers. She has two facebook pages - Dr Ruth Lawson-McConnell (more clinical/mental health focused) and Trinity Initiatives. You check out her resources, view her upcoming courses and book counselling sessions through her website https://ruthmcconnell.com/ or you can email her on therapy@ruthmconnell.com

If you would like to get in touch with me, check out my blog www.crazygrief.com or email me on tatiana@crazygrief.com

Please subscribe and rate this podcast so we can continue to produce more meaningful conversations about grief. 


Light and Peace,


Tatiana xo


Sep 10, 202001:23:41
13. Talking about the "Death" Elephant in the room (Part 2) - Nada Frazier

13. Talking about the "Death" Elephant in the room (Part 2) - Nada Frazier

We are continuing our conversation with Nada Frazier where we explore some of the important aspects and benefits of having open and honest dialogues about death and dying with our loved ones. We also talk about what we can do to get our affairs in order before the hot minute* - when death is arriving and emotions may cloud our vision and ability to do what is necessary for our loved ones who are dying and for ourselves are caregivers facing the challenges of grief. 

Nada is the founder of The Sacred Servant,™ where she serves as a non-medical, non-judgmental holistic Life & Death Coach, End-of-Life Doula*, Guide, Mentor, Trainer, Consultant, Community Educator, Writer & lover of life.  Nada is a Certified End-of-Life Doula (CEOLD). She has earned the National End-of-Life Doula Alliance (NEDA) Proficiency Badge (www.nedalliance.org).  Nada has served as a hospice volunteer for over 12 years. She founded and facilitates The Death Café of Northeast Florida upcoming VIRTUAL meeting dates are: Sept. 14; Oct. 5; Nov. 2; and Dec. 7. To know more about Death Cafe's check out www.deathcafe.com

Nada brings a lot of compassion and wisdom in helping people tackle the difficult questions, legal processes and funeral arrangements with compassionate support and guidance to individuals and their families through times of critical, transformative life change.

The Sacred Servant™ does not provide medical care, mental health counselling, or legal services.

You can contact Nada and find out more about The Sacred Servant's services on www.thesacredservant.com

To receive updates on Crazy Grief episodes sign up to our email list https://mailchi.mp/3c2131951f04/crazy-grief-podcast and if you would like to get in touch with me email tatiana@crazygrief.com 

Check out www.crazygrief.com for blog posts and extra resources.

Please subscribe to Crazy Grief and share the episodes. We never know who may be silently struggling with grief or who may benefit from listening.

Light and peace,

Tatiana xo

Sep 03, 202001:00:33
12. Talking about the "Death" Elephant in the room (Part 1) - Nada Frazier

12. Talking about the "Death" Elephant in the room (Part 1) - Nada Frazier

Many people don't want to talk about death because quite frankly we are scared to face the big death elephant in the room. That is, until death is starts knocking on our door through a terminal diagnosis or has already bursted into our lives unannounced through a sudden death of a loved one. If you struggle to talk about death and dying as a family or if you are on your own and don't know who to turn to, you may want to consider reaching out to someone like Nada Frazier, who helps people as an End-of-Life Doula.

Nada Frazier is the founder of The Sacred Servant,™ where she serves as a non-medical, non-judgmental holistic Life & Death Coach, End-of-Life Doula*, Guide, Mentor, Trainer, Consultant, Community Educator, Writer & lover of life.  Nada is a Certified End-of-Life Doula (CEOLD). She has earned the National End-of-Life Doula Alliance (NEDA) Proficiency Badge (www.nedalliance.org).  Nada has served as a hospice volunteer for over 12 years. She founded and facilitates The Death Café of Northeast Florida upcoming VIRTUAL meeting dates are: Sept. 14; Oct. 5; Nov. 2; and Dec. 7. To know more about Death Cafe's check out www.deathcafe.com

Nada brings a lot of compassion and wisdom in helping people tackle the difficult questions, legal processes and funeral arrangements with compassionate support and guidance to individuals and their families through times of critical, transformative life change.

The Sacred Servant™ does not provide medical care, mental health counselling, or legal services.

You can contact Nada and find out more about The Sacred Servant's services on www.thesacredservant.com

To receive updates on Crazy Grief episodes sign up to our email list https://mailchi.mp/3c2131951f04/crazy-grief-podcast and if you would like to get in touch with me email tatiana@crazygrief.com 

Check out www.crazygrief.com for blog posts and extra resources.

Please subscribe to Crazy Grief and share the episodes. We never know who may be silently struggling with grief or who may benefit from listening.

Light and peace,

Tatiana xo

Aug 27, 202001:03:10
11. Widow's brain and the healing power of self-love and self-kindness - Pauline Skeates

11. Widow's brain and the healing power of self-love and self-kindness - Pauline Skeates

Widow's brain is a real thing, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. When we suffer a trauma such as the death of our person, our amazing brains respond to the immediate trauma and the consequent grief in intricate ways. One of the them is to shut down areas that are not immediate crucial for survival and fire up our danger instincts: fight, flight, freeze or collapse. In this episode we explore what can happen to our brain and our capacity to think when we are grieving, and we also talk about ways in which we can make our own minds a safe space where we learn to give ourselves self-kindness and self-love. We dive into a bit of neuroscience, which affirms that Love is the super emotion that can help us heal and build resilience, and why validating our own experiences is crucial for our wellbeing. 

Pauline Skeates has been a therapist for several years. She has created and developed a model of therapy - Insight Focused Neurotherapy (IFnT)- which she applies with her clients (*ahem* me as one of them) to help them develop a new and more positive way to see themselves, to train how to re-focus, and to find purpose for their lives amidst the circumstances they are facing.  She sees clients on her private practice in Auckland, New Zealand, and through online sessions. She also provides training for professionals in this method, mainly in Europe and NZ.

Through her private practice Pauline also teaches courses on  "Introduction to Mindfulness" and "Mindfulness in Practice".  You can find out more about Pauline's courses and therapy sessions through her website https://insight-international.org/

Together with her colleague Sandy Fabrin, Pauline has co-authored three books "From Distress to De-stress", "In Pursuit of Awareness" and "Walking into Grace". Hard copies and downloadable e-book versions are available here: https://insight-international.org/shop/

If you would like to get in touch with us you can send us a message through https://www.crazygrief.com/contact

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Please subscribe to Crazy Grief podcast, leave us a review and a 5 star rating so we can continue to produce more meaningful conversations about grief.


Light and peace,


Tatiana xo

Aug 20, 202001:00:09
10. Grieving with your grieving friend - Cristiane Heale
Aug 12, 202001:20:34
9. When grief triggers mental distress - John Katsavos
Aug 06, 202057:57
8. Being present with the discomfort of grief - Mark Pierson

8. Being present with the discomfort of grief - Mark Pierson

Oftentimes when we are grieving we don't know how to be present with our pain. We want it to go away, and in doing so we miss the opportunity to be present with ourselves and to become aware of what are our deepest needs are.

Other times, when someone is grieving our first response is to DO something, because as human being we are uncomfortable with someone else's pain. So we try in may ways to make them feel better, but in doing so we fail to acknowledge that often the only thing we can do is to be present with them in their distress - no biblical jargon or empty platitudes, just simply be with them in their pain

Mark Pierson has some great insights in what it means to be present. We can only be present with others when we learn to be present with ourselves. And that takes time, self awareness and intentionality.  

Here is the quote Mark shared during our conversation:

"Wake me to your presence Lord, that I might not waste my times of trial"

Mark is lead curator/pastor of Rhythms of Grace, a "slow church" community in Auckland, New Zealand, where they practice spiritual formation and talk about the hard things in life in light of the presence of God. To find out more about Rhythms of Grace or Mark's pastoral care ministry, please email mark@markpierson.org.nz

If you would like to get in touch with us you can send us a message through https://www.crazygrief.com/contact

Sign up to receive podcast updates on https://mailchi.mp/3c2131951f04/crazy-grief-podcast 

Please subscribe to Crazy Grief podcast, leave us a review and a 5 star rating so we can continue to produce more meaningful conversations about grief.  

Light and peace, 


Tatiana 


Aug 01, 202044:57
7. How to start your life again little by little - Noelene Judd
Jul 29, 202001:15:55
6. Finding acceptance and beauty in the harsh places - Vic Hathaway

6. Finding acceptance and beauty in the harsh places - Vic Hathaway

ACT - Acceptance and Commitment Therapy - can helps us unhook from negative thought patterns and expand our focus, when we are in distress or when grief seems all consuming. 

Vic Hathaway is a NZAC therapist based in Auckland, New Zealand. She offers in person and online sessions. You can contact Vic Hathaway through her website https://vichathaway.com/ 

Her poem "Small Beauties" which we mentioned in this episode is available here https://underyourwings.wordpress.com/2020/07/28/small-beauty/

For those interested in exploring some of the grounding exercises Vic suggested, check out this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7zAseaIyFA&fbclid=IwAR3vUI-Ms-zUCRzHzgw_GVTZjOySvP6MiLHT6YCqcruD6_bPkgo25YkykAo

And here is the Serenity prayer we couldn't get right 😊

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. ... Father, give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what cannot be helped, and the insight to know the one from the other."

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Jul 26, 202054:20
5. How can grown ups support a grieving teen - Yuriy Nayer

5. How can grown ups support a grieving teen - Yuriy Nayer

It's often hard to know what to do to help teenagers who suffer the loss of a parent. Here are some helpful suggestions.

Jul 24, 202042:56
4. The many facets of grief - Scott Martin

4. The many facets of grief - Scott Martin

Different griefs have some things in common, even though we all process it in our own way. 

Jul 23, 202001:08:41
3. Our connection with our loved ones never die - Monica Barnes

3. Our connection with our loved ones never die - Monica Barnes

Finding ways to maintain a healthy connection with our loved ones after their death. 

Jul 19, 202001:07:37
2. Let's talk about grief

2. Let's talk about grief

Sharing our grief stories makes room for others to feel less alone - To Lesley, may you sing once again in the presence of angels.

Jul 10, 202015:09
1. My Crazy Grief Journey

1. My Crazy Grief Journey

Grief can make us feel like we are going crazy and often it's very hard to talk openly about it. If you ever experienced this, you are not alone. Welcome to Crazy Grief, the podcast.

Jul 07, 202007:48