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As It Should Be with Thamarrah Jones

As It Should Be with Thamarrah Jones

By Thamarrah Jones
Here we refuse to accept inequity. This is a weekly podcast interview series for people who are actively learning and unlearning their role in upholding systems that hurt people. People who wish we’d care about each other’s experiences more often.

Hear stories from folks who are challenged by injustice everyday. Hear stories from folks using their skills to recreate the world as it should be.

New episodes Wednesdays.
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Best Of | 01: Decolonizing K12 Education with Susie Berg (she/her)
This is a replay of the very first episode of the As It Should Be podcast recorded in Nov 2020. In this episode, Thamarrah and Susie discuss how the makers of K12 education content are pushing the industry towards more inclusivity by decentering the white experience. Susie Berg (she/her) is a writer, change agent, and co-conspirator for racial justice. Susie is a Senior Digital Solutions Strategist and Global Diversity and Inclusion Advocate at Pearson, the world’s learning company, an organization committed to helping change lives through learning. --------------------------- SUPPORT THE SHOW Become a Patron for $3 per month at patreon.com/thamarrahjones Send me a coffee at buymeacoffee.com/thamarrahjones Leave a review on Apple podcasts
47:14
January 05, 2022
19: Support Women of Color in Business with Olivia Owens (she/her)
It's well documented women of color founders face both gender & racial inequities when it comes to building and growing their businesses. What I want to know is, what's being done about it? Olivia Owens and iFundWomen of Color are giving WOC founders the capital, coaching, and connections they need to kill the game. We discuss the unique barriers women of color founders face in building sustainable businesses, the best funding resource to kick start your business, and the role corporations play in moving us forward.  SUPPORT THE SHOW  Become a Patron for $3 per month at patreon.com/thamarrahjones Send me a coffee at buymeacoffee.com/thamarrahjones Leave a review on Apple podcasts or rate it on Spotify.
29:12
November 22, 2021
18: Democratize the Workplace with Farzin Farzad (he/him)
In today's episode, I'm talking with Farzin Farzad (he/him) about why hierarchy in the workplace is more harmful than helpful, the strength that lies in reimagining power distribution, and how people around the world are building new models of work that shares power, wealth, and responsibility to all. Today's Question: How does power affect your work? And is there a such thing as healthy hierarchy? Submit your response on thamarrahjones.com/18 Become a Patron If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month.
36:18
November 10, 2021
17: Your Story Matters. Here's Proof.
If you're reading this take this as your reminder that no matter who you are, where you come from, or who the world tells you you are, your story is important and you deserve to share it. In this episode, we meet a person who didn't believe that. But today, we're gonna see if we can work through that a little. Today's Question: Do you share your story in public? Why or why not? Submit your response on thamarrahjones.com/17 -------------------------------------------- If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!
44:04
October 06, 2021
16: Critique the Stories that Shape Us with F.D Signifier (he/him)
We don't take the critical eye to our film and tv as often and as deeply as is needed. The level of influence that they have on how we not only see ourselves but the stories we believe about other people, requires that we take a step back. In today's episode, Thamarrah is joined by F.D Signifier (he/him). During our conversation I learned so much about Fiq's upbringing and how that shaped him, but we also get into a conversation about how the portrayal of Black men specifically has impacted how WE as a society behave towards them, what we expect from them, and how THEY navigate the world as a result. -------------------------------------------- If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!
48:47
September 22, 2021
15: Embracing Curiosity and Discovering Each Others Stories with Abhi Nangia (he/him)
What would happen if we were all genuinely interested in wondering about each other and our stories? Today we meet Abhi Nangia (he/him), the Executive Director of Better World Ed, a 501c3 nonprofit on a mission to humanize learning. In this episode, Abhi and Thamarrah (she/her) go on their own journey of exploration and curiosity about each other, how we see (and don't see) people in our communities, and whether curiosity could be a path to equity. -------------------------------------------- If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!
47:31
September 08, 2021
14: Build Brands Where People Are Seen, Heard, and Understood with Tameka Bazile (she/her)
Thamarrah is joined by Tameka Bazile (she/her) to discuss creating marketing strategies that reflects your audience's stories and building a brand where people feel seen, heard, and understood. Tameka is helping entrepreneurs whose identities have been ignored by the girlboss-chic business coaches of the world. She's giving you the tools to build impactful brands and create conscious content that both empowers and serves your communities. -------------------------------------------- If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!
35:16
September 01, 2021
13: Accelerate Social Innovation Through Stronger Ecosystems with Anika Horn (she/her)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- In today's conversation we dive into the world of ecosystem building. What it is and how ecosystems are giving social innovators around the world the access they need to accelerate their missions. Anika Horn (she/her) is the Founder of Social Venturers. Through her company she is on a mission to support change-makers building purpose-driven careers, organizations and ecosystems without losing themselves.
31:26
August 25, 2021
12: Fight Anti-Blackness in Banking with Asya Bradley (she/her)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!  --------------------------------------------  In this episode, Asya Bradley (she/her) & Thamarrah (she/her) discuss predatory practices in the financial system stifling the Black community and how First Blvd Bank has created a bank for Black America to thrive. Asya Bradley is the Co-Founder & COO of First Boulevard: The Unapologetically Black, Digitally Native, NeoBank Building Generational Wealth for Black America. Connect with Asya on LinkedIn or follow @BankBlvd on Twitter.  
24:31
August 18, 2021
[BONUS] Coming Soon!
As It Should Be returns with new episodes next week. If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions!
04:10
August 11, 2021
11: Create Communities Where The Fullness of Who You Are Matters with Grace Ouma-Cabezas (she/they)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- In this episode, Grace Ouma-Cabezas (she/they) & Thamarrah (she/her) discuss managers helping employees thrive, centering diverse people and experiences in marketing, building a career as a Black woman in corporate, and so much more. Grace Ouma-Cabezas is the VP of Growth Marketing at TheSkimm and the Founder of FIELD, a storytelling platform for professionals of color to share our real work experiences. Grace is the Co-Host is one of my favorite new podcasts The Diversity Illusion, where 2 NYC professionals (and sometimes their guests) have discussions on being black and brown in the workplace. Connect with Grace on LinkedIn or follow @OurField on Instagram ----------------------------------------------- This podcast is recorded using Riverside
52:36
March 10, 2021
10: Innovating Technology to Enable Equity and Justice with River Bunkley
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- River Bunkley (he/him) is a Product Specialist at Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and a Co-Founder of The Black Renaissance Group. River has made it his business to build innovative tech solutions to create a more equitable and just world, first prioritizing the development of the Black community which for him starts with reimagining justice. In today's episode Thamarrah (she/her) and River discuss: The role of technology in social impact missions Reimagining justice in the United States How to find your place in the fight to create an equitable world ---------------------------------- Connect with River Bunkley Instagram: @River The Black Renaissance Group: https://www.theblackrenaissancegroup.com/ ----------------------------------- This podcast is recorded using Riverside
51:39
February 26, 2021
09: Navigating Culture as an Immigrant with Anya Cherrice (she/her)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- In this episode, Thamarrah (she/her) and Anya Cherrice (she/her) discuss Anya's experience navigating through America as an immigrant, finding community as an adult, and defining American. Anya Cherrice is the CEO of Navigating Culture and the Host of The Homesickness Cure Podcast. Through her company she is on a mission to help Immigrants & First-Gen struggling to navigate two cultures learn how to self-validate, remove self-doubt, and dream bigger.   ----------------------------------   Connect with Anya at NavigatingCulture.co or @NavigatingCulture on Instagram ---------------------------------- This podcast is recorded using Riverside
33:24
February 17, 2021
08: Giving Kids the Space to Question in K12 Education with Mike Yates (he/him)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- In this episode, Thamarrah (she/her) and Mike Yates (he/him) discuss how he is reimagining the future of education as one where students love school. Mike Yates is an Educator, Entrepreneur, Public Speaker, and the Senior Managing Director of Network Strategies at the Reinvention Lab by Teach for America. ---------------------------------- Connect with Mike Yates LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-yates Twitter: @JustMikeYates School-ish Podcast: https://www.yatesmike.com/schoolish-podcast The Reinvention Lab: www.enduringideas.org ---------------------------------- Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share the episode with a friend, colleague, or anyone you think might enjoy it too. Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones This podcast is recorded using Riverside
41:54
February 10, 2021
07: Embracing 'Lived Experience' in Inclusion Practices with Patrice M. Palmer (they/them)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- In this episode, Thamarrah (she/her) and Patrice Palmer (they/them) discuss how to deal with gaslighting, creating a culture that validates and embraces lived experience, allyship, and transactional vs transformative inclusion practices. Patrice Palmer is CEO & Principal Consultant @ eROOT Consulting™️, the Director of Social & Cultural Inclusion @ Colorado State University's College of Business, and the Diversity, Equity, Inclusion Specialist @ New Belgium Brewing. ---------------------------------- Connect with Patrice M. Palmer Email: papalmer5276@gmail.com Follow Patrice on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patricempalmer/ Watch their TED Talk: Are you a Man or Woman? ...I'm BLACK ---------------------------------- Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share the episode with a friend, colleague, or anyone you think might enjoy it too. Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones
53:54
February 03, 2021
06: Building a Spirit of Equity in Children and in the Workplace with Serian Strauss (she/her)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- In this episode Serian (she/her) and Thamarrah (she/her) discuss how to talk to kids about diversity, white supremacy in the workplace, and facilitating conversations about race that build the spirit of equity in individuals and organizations. Serian is a DEI facilitator, trainer, and personal development coach. Connect with Serian Strauss at serianstrauss.com ----------------------------------  Watch the episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/WMlwuCpp8CU ----------------------------------  Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share the episode with a friend, colleague, or anyone you think might enjoy it too. Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones
38:28
January 20, 2021
05: Building Space for Neurodiversity to Thrive with Vanessa Castañeda Gill (she/her)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- In this episode, Co-Founder of Social Cipher, Vanessa Castañeda Gill (she/her) joins the show to discuss how her company is creating space for Neurodivergent youth to thrive through their space pirate-themed social-emotional learning games. Social Cipher is led by a team of Neurodivergent Founders, including Vanessa herself. Vanessa and Thamarrah (she/her) talk the importance of autistic youth failing safely, challenges faced by neurodivergent people caused by inequity in the workplace and in the startup space as founders, and how we can all support the neurodivergent community. ---------------------------------- Connect with Vanessa Castañeda Gill Social Cipher Website: socialciphergame.com Subscribe to their Newsletter @SocialCipher on Twitter   Email: ahoy@socialcipher.com ---------------------------------- Don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share the episode with a friend, colleague, or anyone you think might enjoy it too. Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones
45:56
January 13, 2021
04: [BONUS] The Haitians Have Entered the Building | Haitian-American Experience in Corporate & Beyond
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- In this very special bonus episode of the podcast Thamarrah is joined by Elizabeth Goeuti, Nagela Dales, and Ralph Desmornes to reminisce on their experiences growing up Haitian-American, building careers in corporate America, finding community, and all of our favorite Haitian things! Join us on this journey of becoming. Bòn fèt endepandans Ayiti.  ----------------------------------  Connect with the Guests  Elizabeth Go   Email: Elizbaethgo@weresolvetowin.com   Company: Avinu Consulting  Podcast: We Negotiate to Win  Nagela Dales   SLCo & Agency Website: https://www.slcreative.co   Idea Trust Website: https://www.ideatrust.co   Email: Dales@slcreative.co  Ralph Desmornes   Email: ralph@eclispedigitalagency.com   Social: RDMane   Company: Eclipse Digital Agency  ----------------------------------  Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones
01:21:36
January 01, 2021
Issa Holiday Break
See y'all in 2021. Until then if you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones
03:28
December 21, 2020
03: Curating Experiences That Create Systemic Change with Neal Ludevig (he/him)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- In this episode Neal (he/him) and Thamarrah (she/her) discuss curating spaces that foster conversation to enable systemic change and how to shift your mindset to move from 'problematic savior' to 'ally' to accomplice. Neal Ludevig is a producer, curator, and artist based in Harlem, NY. Neal is the founder of Moon31, a company that creates experiences that bring people together in innovative ways, through the Arts, Entertainment, and Media. --------------------------- Connect with Neal Ludevig Visit Neal's personal website nealludevig.com Work with Moon31  Watch INSOMNIA, a new dark comedy series about Nikhil - a queer, Indian American going through an identity crisis. Through his adventures, he explores his sexuality, experiences euphoria, deals with racism, and suffers with loneliness - all while trying to get a good night's rest! Join the waitlist for Snarky Elephant Productions, which is creating content exploring underrepresented human experience ---------------------------------- This podcast is recorded using Riverside
52:38
December 18, 2020
02: Amplifying BIPOC Consumer Experiences with Nagela Dales (she/her)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- Nagela Dales (she/her) is the Founder of SLCo & Agency as well as Idea Trust, the research arm of SLCo & Agency. Through her companies she’s on a mission to make innovation more equitable and to empower the experiences of black & brown consumers. In this episode, Thamarrah and Nagela discuss the biases in the innovation industry, how brands’ research approach undervalues communities of color, and how SLCo is helping to reshape the narrative.  ---------------------------  Connect with Nagela Dales SLCo & Agency Website: https://www.slcreative.co Idea Trust Website: https://www.ideatrust.co Email: Dales@slcreative.co  ----------------------------------  Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones
47:36
December 09, 2020
01: Decolonizing K12 Education with Susie Berg (she/her)
If you want to support the show go to patreon.com/thamarrahjones and become a patron for $3 per month. Get episodes 3-5 days early, videos of the interviews, and access to the interview schedule to know what guests are coming up next; submit questions or watch live to call into the show and ask questions! -------------------------------------------- In this episode, Thamarrah (she/her) and Susie discuss how the makers of K12 education content are pushing the industry towards more inclusivity by decentering the white experience. Susie Berg (she/her) is a writer, change agent, and co-conspirator for racial justice. Susie is a Senior Digital Solutions Strategist and Global Diversity and Inclusion Advocate at Pearson, the world’s learning company, an organization committed to helping change lives through learning. --------------------------- Connect with Susie Berg Social: @SusieDBerg | Website: Susieberg.ca | Email: bergdiversityconsultants@gmail.com ------------------------------ This podcast is recorded using Riverside
44:31
December 02, 2020
Welcome to As It Should Be with Thamarrah Jones
As It Should Be with Thamarrah Jones is a mix of solo episodes and conversations with the people remaking the world as it should be. We’ll discuss the role of inclusion, belonging, and equity in facing the challenges shaping our society today. I’ll be talking to changemakers and culture-shakers in every industry from education to entertainment and everything in between to learn how they are using their industry to help build a society where belonging is at the center of everything we do. “Hope is the belief that destiny will not be written for us, but by us, by the [people] who are not content to settle for the world as it is, who have the courage to remake the world as it should be” - Barack Obama, 44th President of the United States Enjoying the podcast? Subscribe and Share it with a friend, colleague, or anyone you think might enjoy it too. Want to connect with Thamarrah? Email her at hello@thamarrahjones.com or follow her LinkedIn https://linkedin.com/in/thamarrahjones
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November 30, 2020