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The Trail Runners Experience

The Trail Runners Experience

By Daniel Farrugia
Welcome to The Trail Runners Experience. Conversations about trail running by trail runners. Includes training tips/advice and personal race experiences.
Hosted by Daniel Farrugia and Ashley Druve
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#71 ft. Ben Hockings
Ben Hockings - the Great Uncle of trail running in South Australia - returns to The Trail Runners Experience to discuss his Race Directing career, his new and unique ultra series (The Ultra Hard Series), the reasons why he has decided to hang up the race directing hat and running in general. Ben has a wide range of interests when it comes to running so we went for a bit of an exploration of those interests in this conversation. Enjoy! Find out more about the Ultra Hard Series here:
December 16, 2020
#70 ft. Rebecca Hunt
Rebecca Hunt returns to the podcast 50 episodes after her first appearance on the Trail Runners Experience, this time as host of her very own awesome podcast called Tales From The Midpack. In this special crossover episode we discuss all things 2020 and give a thumbs up or thumbs down to various running related gear or experiences. Have a listen to this episode and then go listen to Rebecca's excellent podcast where you will hear conversations with real people doing massive things.
December 9, 2020
#69 ft. Brett Crosby
Brett from Adelaide Trail Runners joins the podcast to talk about this newly formed venture that aims to bring some new and interesting events to the Adelaide area. The Summer Trail Series (created by Ben Hockings of Ultra Runners SA) is the first exciting event to take place and Brett speaks of his excitement and nervousness at launching this fantastic trail running enterprise. Listen in to hear about the varied and interesting courses on offer for the 2020/21 Summer Trail Series. If you want to know more about Adelaide Trail Runners go here -
December 1, 2020
#68 ft. Jessica Schluter
Jessica Schluter is a two time winner of the Blackall 100, Australian representative at the World Trail Running Championships 100 and has performed extremely well at a high level in Australian ultras for a number of years. It really is amazing how friendships form on the trail. I met Jess during the Ultra Easy 100km in New Zealand in January 2020 and in today's episode we recap that incredible race experience as well explore her training, racing and what it is that she hates about running (spoiler alert: she doesn't hate anything about running). Enjoy.
November 25, 2020
#67 ft. Hayley Teale
Hayley Teale is one incredible athlete. With a list of ultra wins longer than my arm, Hayley shares her joy of running and her approach to training in today's episode. A true lover of trails with a knack for dominating the uphills, Hayley is a proponent of strength training and doesn't mind a few hill repeats. This is a must listen for anyone wondering how to get better on the hills and also because Hayley is very entertaining and friendly. Wrap your ears around it!!
November 18, 2020
#66 ft. Sonja Jansen
Frequently finishing on top of the podium, Sonja Jansen is a fantastic athlete, an aerospace engineer, a wife, a mother and much more. In this episode we dive into what makes Sonja tick and how she has become one of South Australia's top ultra athletes. Wrap your ears around this episode if you want to hear an inspiring story from a truly incredible woman.
November 9, 2020
#65 ft. Kym Williams
With over 60 ultras and 35 Marathons under his belt Kym Williams knows a thing or two about running long distances and finding his limits. A stalwart of the South Australian running community for several decades Kym shares his insights in today's podcast episode, just days after completing his 9th Heysen 105, demonstrating humility, appreciation for the trail and ultra community and a deep determination to push on until the very end. 
October 28, 2020
#64 ft. Tamas Lorincz
After a long hiatus The Trail Runners Experience is back with an incredibly inspirational man to kick things off. Tamas tells the story of his fascinating journey across the planet, from Germany to Iraq to Dubai and finally to Adelaide. Tamas shares the lessons of his successes and failures in running as he continues to grow into a positive force in the ultra running community. Listen in as he details his experience at the 2020 Irrational South 200 mile (fat ass edition). 
October 22, 2020
#63 ft. Beau Miles
Father, husband, adventurer, runner, kayaker, Youtuber, PhD, story teller, lumberjack and human bean, Beau Miles joins The Trail Runners Experience for a in-depth conversation about his simply breathtaking adventures including his 650km run along the Australian Alpine Walking Track, kayaking around the Southern tip of Africa and eating his body-weight in Beans to name but a few adventures. An amazing chat with an amazing man. Not to be missed!
May 15, 2020
Coaching Roundtable 4
The latest installment of the Coaching Roundtable featuring Ashley Druve, Isobel Ross and Daniel Farrugia sees our coaches grappling with some big questions in this new world. We discuss goals - both short term and long term, and the power of the taper for rest, recovery and performance. As always we cover things in as much detail as possible and we will probably leave the conversation with more questions than answers but we had fun and hope you you do too. Stay safe, Stay kind, Peace. 
April 16, 2020
#62 ft. Ina Schapiro
Ina Schapiro returns to the podcast to share some valuable perspectives and tips on how runners can stay safe and be responsible during the Covid 19 pandemic.  As a doctor who works in Accident and Emergency in a large public hospital, Ina is quite literally on the front line of this global pandemic. She also happens to be one of Daniel's awesome athletes.
April 15, 2020
#61 ft. Steve Tripp
Our Kiwi friend Steve Tripp joins the fun on the podcast as we share our favourite races of all time and discuss the adventures and true joys of running. Note: There is little, to know talk of Covid 19 in today's episode. Its all about running!!
March 30, 2020
#60 ft. Andy Blow
Former elite triathlete and founder of Precision Hydration Andy Blow joins the Trail Runners Experience to talk all things sweat and hydration. Ash, Daniel and Andy deep dive on hydration in this episode, so take notes. If you want to try out some of the awesome products available from Precision Hydration go here: and put it in the CODE TRAILRUNNERSEXPERIENCE at the checkout to get 15% off your first order. Also, as a super amazing special offer to listeners of the Trail Runners Experience, the team at Precision Hydration are giving you all 50% off their Science of Hydration course with TrainingPeaks. Go to this link and use the code SWEAT-H6YF. Amazing opportunity to get educated.
March 25, 2020
#59 ft. Cam Munro
In today's episode we talk all things 'Last One Standing' with one of the best in the game, Cam Munro. Cam is an accomplished ultra runner who has been hitting the LOS race scene hard and has even qualified for the prestigious Big Backyard Ultra in Tennessee hosted by the legendary Lazarus Lake. Cam gives some incredible insight into his training and what it takes to push yourself beyond the limits. Enjoy!
March 19, 2020
Coaching Roundtable 3
This special episode of the Coaching Roundtable talks about the biggest news in the world at the moment - Coronavirus (Covid 19). Ashley, Daniel and Isobel talk about how this global pandemic is impacting the running community and wider community and what we can and should do. Keep running, be kind, stay safe and wash your hands. Get the facts about Covid 19 here: And have a laugh for no reason here:
March 17, 2020
#58 ft. Brodie Sharpe
Brodie Sharpe from the Run Smarter Podcast joins The Trail Runners Experience to talk about common running injuries and how runners might avoid getting injured in the first place. Brodie is a qualified and practicing physiotherapist (and a passionate runner) with a wealth of knowledge when it comes to runners bodies. In our weekly training talk Ashley and Daniel discuss their low mileage weeks and how this will help them both as they move forward with their training.
March 11, 2020
#57 ft. Robbie and Sarah Wickham
In today's episode Daniel interviews Adelaide trail/ultra runners Robbie and Sarah Wickham. Robbie and Sarah share their incredible story of their passion for the trails and their unique trail wedding at the Oscar's Hut 2 Hut last year plus amazing experiences at numerous ultras all around the world. In this weeks training chat Ashley recovers quickly from his most recent cancer treatment and Daniel has a recovery week.
March 5, 2020
#56 ft. Simone Brick
Sensational Simone Brick returns to The Trail Runners Experience and talks about her busy life balancing work, study and a huge training load. She goes into detail about recovering from her recent injury and then building up to some of her finest running performances to date. Ash and Daniel Talk about there respective running weeks and Ash takes a bath.
March 4, 2020
Coaching Roundtable 2
In this episode of the Coaching Roundtable the coaches discuss have a wide ranging discussion. Ashley asks about Macrocycles, Mesocycles and Microcycles, Isobel asks about recovery between big races and Daniel wants to know how everyone builds mental toughness. Don't forget to join the Coaching Roundtable facebook group to join the converstaion
February 26, 2020
#55 ft. Chris Ord
Journalist, photographer, videographer, editor, producer, trail guide, event manager and all round adventure lover Chris Ord joins the conversation to talk about his fascinating life as an outdoors-man and the epic Oscars Hut 2 Hut that was run over the weekend. In this wide ranging discussion we talk in depth about all the things that Chris loves including the trails, beer appreciation and the community that makes trail running so awesome. In our training update, Ashley recovers well from his latest treatment and has started cranking more quality mileage and Daniel has sore glutes. 
February 18, 2020
#54 ft. Andre Laboy
This week's episode features a fantastic conversation with Andre Laboy. Andre is the head of product at Vdot02, the coaching platform Daniel uses to coach his numerous athletes. Andre is a very accomplished athlete and coach in is his own right and gives us a great insight into his running story and how he approaches coaching using Vdot02. In our training catch-up, Ashley unpacks the enormous amount of running he has been doing and we find out if he can continue running a marathon a day while Daniel recovers from a minor cold and starts to step up his training for the Hubert 100 mile race in May.
February 12, 2020
Coaching Roundtable 1
In the first OFFICIAL episode of our Coaching Roundtable, Daniel Farrugia, Isobel Ross and Ashley Druve dive head first into three running related questions. This monthly collaboration will cover training, racing, gear, nutrition, hydration, mental preparation and much more.  In this week's episode we discuss, strength training (and when to do it), downhill running (and how to get better at it) and sweaty shoes (gross!) Enjoy. Join the conversation by becoming a member of our Facebook group - Coaching Rountable.
February 5, 2020
#53 ft. Terry Davis
In this episode Daniel recaps his Ultra Easy's  100km race in New Zealand that he ran over the weekend and Ash discusses his battles with the heat and humidity in Qld.  Daniel interviews race director of the Northburn 100, Mount Difficulty Ascent and of course the Ultra Easy, Terry Davis. Listen in as Terry and Daniel get into some detail about the best running events in New Zealand and what constitutes a 'good honest ultra'. If you want to run in some of New Zealand's most incredible races check the links below.
January 23, 2020
#52 ft. Lauren and Kieran Rooke
Today's episode sees Ashley and Daniel square off about tapering for races as Daniel prepares to jet off for New Zealand for his 100km race, The Ultra Easy. We cover Ashley's training week and the postponement of his epic Sea 2 Snowy adventure due to the ongoing bush fire crisis in many parts of Australia. Daniel talks to today's guests, Lauren and Kieran Rooke, two of South Australia's best trail runners. Have a listen to this fun, informal discussion.
January 8, 2020
#51 ft. Isobel Ross again
Isobel Ross returns to the podcast to share her experience at the Great Southern Endurance run and her preparations for her next race - the legendary Barkley Marathons. Ash and Daniel share their training updates and go into detail on numerous training topics with Isobel, including using hiking poles, finding the balance between uphill and flat running plus many more.
December 31, 2019
#50 Christmas Special ft. Jenna Brook and Tim &Laura Cole
Merry Christmas trail runners! In this epic DOUBLE Header final episode of The Trail Runners Experience for 2019, Ashley and Daniel recap their year of running and discuss future plans and the best things about running and trail running in particular.  You get two interviews this week. Talk about value! Listen in as Ashley and Daniel talk to Jenna Brook, the mastermind behind an exciting new event in Australia's Simpson Desert - The Simpson Desert Ultra. An event to add to your 2020 running calendar. Jenna also happens to be a pretty handy ultra runner having run from the top of Australia to the bottom just for kicks! In the second interview of this Christmas Special, we meet the race directors behind the Guzzler ultra in Queensland, Tim and Laura Cole, a husband and wife team who somehow manage to balance parental duties between training, organising races and operating a trail running shop in Brisbane.  Thank you to everyone who has helped make The Trail Runners Experience podcast what it is today. May you have an excellent Christmas and New Year break and get ready to make 2020 your best running year yet!  See you in January 2020!
November 28, 2019
#49 ft. Jacqui Bell
Jacqui Bell is the youngest person to run an ultra marathon on all seven continents. She is an ambitious ultra runner and motivational speaker who works hard to achieve her goals. Listen to her inspiring story in this episode.  Ashley and Daniel talk about their training and Ash unveils his next big adventure. Check out his website here: Check out Jacqui's website below:
November 20, 2019
#48 ft. Cecilia Mattas
The newest 'Flying Finn', Cecilia Mattas takes us through her fantastic victory at the Blackall 50 and her rise to trail running dominance. Listen in to hear the first (and maybe last) Trail Trivia where Ashley takes on the Cecilia in a no holds barred battle of wits. Also, Ashley and Daniel recap their training week, Ash highlights an interesting development in his cancer treatment and Daniel retells his encounter with Australia's most feared predator... Drop Bears!
November 13, 2019
#47 ft. Brett Standring
Blackall 100 race director, ultra runner and all round top bloke, joins Ashley and Daniel in his post-Blackall 100 2019 interview and talks about the good, the bad and the ugly of race directing. Ashley and Daniel also go into a bit too much detail about a rather 'crappy' but relevant topic, and Daniel talks about his Heysen 105 recovery and the lead up to the next race on his schedule. Check out the Run Queensland website here
November 6, 2019
#46 ft. Lauren Shay
Awesome Qld based runner Lauren Shay shares her running journey with Daniel and Ashley. Lauren races fast and she races often. How does she balance her training load while raising her young daughter? Listen in to find out. Also, Daniel recaps his run at the 2019 Heysen 105 held in South Australia at the weekend. Did he get a pb or did he blow up in spectacular fashion? You will have to listen to find out.
October 31, 2019
# 45 ft. Shona Stephenson
Trail running legend and race director of the Brisbane Trail Ultra Shona Stephenson regales us with her epic running career and tales from the trails. Check out the link below to find out more about Shona's race: Or here for her PT business: For 10% off all your Infinit nutrition products go to the following link and put 'DRU' at the checkout:
October 23, 2019
#44 ft. Amanda and Joel Stetler
Amanda and Joel Stetler are an incredibly inspiring couple from the USA. In this episode they share their passion for running and the harrowing challenges of Joel's cancer diagnosis as they prepare to run one of the world's most iconic marathons, The New York City Marathon. Prepare to be inspired. If you are inspired by Joel and Amanda's story and would like to make a difference please go to the link below to read more about Joel's story and make a donation.
October 16, 2019
#43 ft. Alun Davies
In this episode we get inside the mind of race director and running coach, Alun Davies. Join us as Alun gives an interesting insight into the challenges and rewards of being an ultra RD. Check out Alun's awesome events at the this link:
October 11, 2019
#42 ft. Karl Forcey
Trail runner Karl Forcey takes us through his ultra journey to his amazing run at the Surf Coast Century.
October 2, 2019
#41 Podcast Announcement!
After a long break, The Trail Runners Experience is back. This week we get introduced (or reintroduced) to our new co-host and we talk about training, racing and all things exciting about Threshold running.
September 27, 2019
#40 ft. Isobel Ross
One of Australia's best Mountain Runners, Isobel Ross joins the podcast to discuss her incredible running career and her latest foray into the world of coaching.  Check out Isobel's website here to find out about having her as your coach
July 9, 2019
#39 ft. Ashley Druve
Ashley Druve is a uniquely inspirational man. He is a runner, photographer, father and husband. Ashley also has stage 4 cancer. Prepare to be inspired.
May 22, 2019
#38 ft. Courtney Dowd
Fresh off the plane from her scorching performance (pun intended!) at the iconic Marathon Des Sables, Courtney Dowd shares detailed insight into one of ultra running's most challenging races. Donate to Courtney's charity, Pancare below:
May 15, 2019
#37 ft. Kate Marsden and Hubert 100 (50km) race recap
Fan favourite Kate Marsden is back to discuss her run at the Ultra Runners South Australia Hubert 100 (50km event) 2019. Join us, as Kate regales us with the most epic retelling of her incredible performance at this magical event
May 8, 2019
#36 ft. Jim Kay
Sports Scientist and marathon runner, Jim Kay gives us the low-down on hydration, nutrition and the progression of running through scientific advancements.
May 1, 2019
#35 ft. Shaun Kaesler
Do you have what it takes to run 50km? 100km? 100 miles? What about 200 miles? Race Director and King of the 200 milers Shaun Kaesler joins the podcast to discuss the first 200 mile race in Australia, the Delirious WEST 200 in Western Australia and the upcoming Irrational SOUTH 200 in South Australia in 2020. 
April 10, 2019
#34 ft. Daniel Farrugia
Guest Host, Matthew Woodman interviews the host of The Trail Runners Experience, Daniel Farrugia. Find out more about the man behind the microphone and learn his deepest darkest secrets!
April 3, 2019
#33 ft. Matthew Woodman
Distance Runners Unlimited athlete, Matthew Woodman gives me the lowdown on his journey to 100 mile ultra man.
March 26, 2019
#32 ft. Gordon Knight
Up and coming trail runner Gordon Knight shares his insight into getting faster as we get older, being a self-trained athlete and breaking elusive time barriers in races.
March 20, 2019
#31 ft. Jamie Stanley
Sports Physiologist from the South Australian Sports Institute (SASI), Jamie Stanley joins the podcast to go deep on the science of becoming a better runner.
March 5, 2019
#30 ft. Nick Muxlow
Head Coach of The Ultra Journey joins me to discuss all things running, including mindset, training for trails and dealing with the unexpected in races.
February 27, 2019
#29 ft. Kate Marsden yet again!
Back by popular demand, my wonderful wife Kate Marsden joins the podcast to discuss 17 commonly asked questions about learning to run.
February 20, 2019
#28 ft. Peter Bice
Winner of the inaugural 28km Yurrebilla in 2018, Infinit nutrition athlete, Peter Bice explains what he loves about trail running and how he is so damn good at it.
February 13, 2019
#27 ft. Annie Braddon
Coach and marathon runner Annie Braddon and I talk about her infamous 5:30am speed sessions, coaching and the world marathon majors, plus loads more!
February 6, 2019
#26 ft. Rikki Wilson
2018 Indigenous Marathon Project graduate Rikki Wilson shared her inspiring journey to marathon glory and beyond. Follow her on insta Support the Indigenous Marathon Project
January 30, 2019
#25 ft. Jessica Trengove
Two time Olympian Jessica Trengove joins the podcast and shares her considerable knowledge and experience of marathon running at the elite level. An amazing road runner, track runner and physiotherapist, can I convert her to the world of trail running? Have a listen and find out. Check out Jess' favourite charities below  Here are Jess' sponsors that she mentioned in today's episode
January 23, 2019
#24 ft. Simone Brick
Salomon athlete, medical student, steeple chaser, mountain runner and kombucha fan, Simone Brick joins the podcast to discuss trail running and much more.
January 16, 2019
#23 ft. Steve Burdett
Great conversation with Steve Burdett from Trail Runners SA. We talk all about his ultra running career and his fantastic involvement in creating and organising trail running events right here in South Australia. Find out about the SA Five 50 ultra series. Don't forget about Infinit Nutrition discount code - DRU at the checkout.
November 30, 2018
#22 ft. Andy DuBois
Elite ultra-running coach Andy DuBois joins me for a robust and wide ranging conversation about trail and ultra-running, human potential, training principles and much more.
November 20, 2018
# 21 ft. Emma MacIntosh
Outback trails, mountains trails, training and dealing with injury. We cover all these topics and more with awesome Adelaide trail runner Emma MacIntosh.
November 14, 2018
#20 ft. Rebecca Hunt
Rebecca Hunt recently made her ultra marathon debut. Today we talk all about her first ultra.
November 7, 2018
#19 ft. Steph Gaskell
Sports Dietitian Steph Gaskell from Nutrition Strategies joins the podcast to discuss all things nutrition.
October 31, 2018
#18 ft. Darren Linney
Winner of Ultra Runners S.A's Adelaide 6 Day event, Darren Linney, joins us to talk about what it takes to run 800kms in less than a week. Epic run from a humble man.
October 17, 2018
#17 ft. Ina Schapiro
Distance Runners Unlimited athlete, Ina Schapiro joins us for a chat about her stellar debut year on the trails.
October 10, 2018
#16 ft. Steve Frasca
"What is pain?" Physiotherapist Steve Frasca helps us learn a little more about physical pain and injury. Email Steve if you want quality physiotherapy.
October 3, 2018
# 15 ft. John Csongei
2018 Yurrebilla Ultra Marathon and Australian Marathon Champion, John Csongei gives us some fascinating insights into his training and successful racing career.
September 26, 2018
#14 ft. Andrew Hough
September 12, 2018
#13 ft. Ben Hockings
September 12, 2018
#12 ft. Beck Butler
September 5, 2018
#11 ft. Mick Keyte
Professional trail runner Mick Keyte talks about his experience at the Eiger 101 as well as his training and coaching.
August 16, 2018
#10 ft. Sputnik
Trail running stalwart, social media guru and adventurer, Sputnik. We talk about races, traveling, DNFs, Awesome August.
August 11, 2018
#9 ft. Brendan Davies
On this episode, I talk with elite ultra runner and coach, Brendan Davies. We discuss his remarkable racing career, mindset and coaching... among other things.
August 10, 2018
#8 ft. Kate Marsden (again)
August 6, 2018
#7 ft. David Turnbull
August 4, 2018
#6 ft. Gary Denham
In this episode I chat with Gary Denham about his experience as a relatively new trail and ultra runner.
August 2, 2018
#5 ft. Jennifer Carroll
Episode 5 of the Trail Runners Experience featuring Jennifer Carroll
July 31, 2018
#4 ft. Lucy Bartholomew
July 12, 2018
#3 ft. Brayden Funk
June 26, 2018
#2 ft Katherine Marks
June 20, 2018
#1 ft. Kate Marsden
June 13, 2018