I wanted to take a brief moment, off the top to acknowledge and address what’s happening in my hometown in this moment. Born in Minneapolis, raised in the Twin Cities, and a life-long Minnesotan, I am, nay we all are still very much grappling with the heinous and horrendous tragedy that is the killing of George Floyd this past Monday, May 25th. I’m at once experiencing feelings of deep sadness and incredible helplessness after watching the now infamous footage of this horrific event and left desperately searching for a way to help make this right as I watch the city in which was born be burned to the ground and the very fabric of our community be torn apart. Many of you are now experiencing much the same in your own communities this very moment. Only through sobriety and recovery can I turn to the only answer that makes any real sense at all. I must turn to love, compassion, and put them into action. To that end our family will be donating food and supplies to my beloved South Minneapolis this very afternoon. This is a show about Sobriety, and Recovery and yet at our core what we attempt to embody is how to live in harmony with ourselves and others, how to act more out of kindness, tolerance, humility and ultimately love and less out of fear, animosity, and hate. The true purpose, desire, and mission of this show is to give you, the listener, of all ages, races, identities of gender hope that you too can recover and indeed the tools that work for you to truly thrive in the time we have on this earth. To that end, in this week’s edition of the show we have a supremely informative, beneficial, timely and apropos discussion on the use of somatic experiencing to address the often chronic states of stress, anxiety, and the near constant mental ruminations that always seem to accompany these unwanted states of mind and body agitation. Many of us are trauma survivors and have endured adverse childhood experiences that contribute to feelings of stress and anxiety. These undesirable states may be even more prevalent and exacerbated due to the current pandemic and community strife we are all experiencing. Dr. Alice Kerby, a Doctor of Physical Therapy, a trauma practitioner, and a person in long term recovery shares how Somatic Experiencing can and does heal us from bottom up through incredibly simple and effective tools rooted in tuning in to the sensations of our bodies. These practices, when done regularly under professional guidance can profoundly change the way we feel in our own bodies AND minds, reduce, and eliminate chronic and acute stress and anxiety and ultimately improve our overall well-being, so Listen Up.
Somatic Experiencing Practices Mentioned in this Episode:
· Extended Exhale
· 5 Senses Practice
· Self-Body Check-in
Sober & Calm Course (5 & 30 Day Courses)
Book Mentioned in this Episode:
Laura McKowen We Are the Luckiest: The Surprising Magic of a Sober Life
Contact Dr. Alice Kerby:
This week co-host extraordinaire Jason’s got a killer interview with Heidi Davis, a woman in long term recovery from alcoholism and addiction and very passionate about what brought her to and keeps her in long term recovery. I happened to read one of her social media posts that read like an intro to a recovery memoir and immediately said to your favorite recovery co-host “get her on the show”. I can’t tell you exactly why I was immediately compelled to get Heidi on to share her story, but I’ve learned after a few 24 hours in recovery to trust my instincts when they speak to me, and this time my instincts were demanding for Heidi to share her experience, strength, and hope. I do not claim to be a Christian, nor do I believe that Christianity, or any other religion is the only way to recover or the only path to freedom from Addiction and Alcoholism. What I do sincerely and whole heatedly believe however, is that it is indeed, if you will indulge me a play on words A Bonafede Way Out of addiction and/or alcoholism. A the old 12-Step mantra goes – take what you like and leave the rest. I urge you to listen to the similarities in Heidi’s story – heavens knows I found more than a few myself, and indeed listen for the commonality in Heidi’s struggle through a ravenous, unrelenting and certainly progressive bout of alcoholism and addiction and look for the universal key to recovery regardless of method – complete surrender. You’ll be nodding your head and laughing along as you relate to Heidi unfurling her story in only the way she can, so Listen Up.
You can find Heidi Davis on Facebook and you can contact her on FB messenger*** LADIES ONLY PLEASE ***
Book Recommendation: The Bible
If you don't know where to start Heidi recommends the gospel of John. Because John is the gospel of LOVE and you need to first understand how much God loves YOU!
Heidi's best advice:
1) Have at least one believer in your tribe who has battled the demon of addiction.
2) Be brutally honest with them. Share your struggles, pain, fear, concerns, and victories!
3) Get life verses. Find scripture that reminds you of who God says that you are and who He says that He is. PUT THEM EVERYWHERE. Jeremiah 29:11 is a great one!
4) Check in daily.
5) Pray daily.
6) Get in the word everyday. Read even when it doesn’t make sense. NO WORD RETURNS VOID.
7) Find a church and go. Even when you don’t want to. Those are usually the days God has a message for you.
8) Don't suffer in silence. Some days are going to be HARD. Put on praise and worship and SING YOUR WAY OUT!
9) Be still and know that He is God. You don’t have to have it all figured out. Know He does.
10) Show yourself grace and don't strive to be a SUPER CHRISTIAN. Let the Holy Spirit do the heavy lifting.
In this edition of The Way Out we turn our collective attention to a the very human need of connection and as we’ll discover, it has particular importance to those of us in Recovery from substances or other addictive behaviors. Recent and mounting evidence suggests one of the factors in determining whether or not an individual will develop an addiction is their ability or inability to establish and maintain healthy, meaningful connections to others, to the world around them, and to something greater than themselves. In a very real way, the opposite of addiction is not sobriety, it is indeed connection. Abstinence, however is a prerequisite for those of us who are addicts, alcoholics, or both for the artificially induced dopamine high courtesy of something decidedly non-human blocks our ability to connect in a meaningful, authentic way to the very people we so desperately want to connect with, whether we are aware of it or able to admit it or not. It’s no coincidence then, many of us who are in the midst of, or in recovery from addiction long have had trouble creating and sustaining the vital connections that are fundamental for all humans to truly thrive. This difficulty in connecting, often but not always rooted in childhood trauma and adverse childhood experiences is very much part of what we are healing when we begin our recovery journeys. Establishing meaningful, healthy, caring, and supportive relationships with good people in and out of recovery is essential for a sobriety that is truly satisfying, for a life that’s worth living. When we incorporate powerful and transformative connections to a power greater than ourselves we are able to supercharge our connectedness to others, as well as embrace the healing power embodied in the flora and fauna found in nature. We come to realize we all are inexorably connected to each other, to a power greater than all of us, and to nature – in fact we are one. We’ll dig deep into the how and why of it all; share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so listen up.
Resources Mentioned in this Episode:
Connection is the opposite of addiction Ted Talk:
Relationship Quality Litmus Test:
Additional Resources on Connection & Recovery:
Brene Brown Podcast on Loneliness & Connection
This edition of The Way Out is all about change. At the center of the recovery journey is a transformational change that occurs within us that allows us to shed old, negative and self-defeating thoughts, beliefs, ideas, and most importantly behaviors and begin to replace them with those that are healthy, positive and aligned with who we yearn to be. A truth my dear, late member of my home 12-Step group was fond of goes “If you don’t change, your sobriety date will”. If we are to recover, instead of merely abstain, we must change. In the beginning we may change because we’re sick and tired of being sick and tired, or because the pain of staying the same become greater than the fear of change; or because if we don’t – we’ll die. Even in the most dire of circumstances; change is hard. It’s Messy – and it feels wrong. It’s supposed to feel foreign, like you’re wearing somebody else’s clothes or living someone else’s life – which in a way is true you’re living in the new you and it’s going to take a good while before that feels natural and integrated into the person you will become. We begin to learn, as we undergo our individual transformations; that the uncomfortable process of positive change is well worth the effort. In a very real sense can become change artists and begin to change things before we are in crisis; before the weight of some impending doom is upon us. We can choose positive and healthy change – in other words - we can chose to keep growing and thereby progressing in physical, spiritual, and emotional wellness journeys. To that end we’ve got an episode that’s jam packed with everything you need to know about change – that is; how to move through the ever so common fear of change; how to cope with changes that are beyond our control, and precisely how we can create meaningful, healthy changes in our own lives that are as positive as they are enduring, plus share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so Listen Up.
This week we’ve got an absolutely delightful interview with the Author of the new book “The March to Madness”, Nelson Dacier. Nelson, now six years sober, shares his story; which was the inspiration for his book, with equal measures of humor, wisdom, and authenticity. We dig into his recovery journey, what it finally took to enter meaningful and long-term recovery, and his process in writing the tale of the debaucherous double life he led during active addiction, the unbelievable events that lead him to the literal brink of death, and what recovery looked like in the aftermath of the tumultuous saga that was his life prior to getting sober round about six years ago. This one’s got it all folks, so Listen Up.
Reach out to Nelson:
Drop the Rock
This week Jason’s got an absolutely terrific interview with transformational and Imago Relationship Therapist, Love Coach, and Licensed Mental Health Counselor, Rachel Levy. Rachel shares with us about her journey, her practice, and her creation; the 12 steps of Healthy Love. We learn about the 4 pillars of her recovery program that is designed to be accessible to all. Rachel shares her truth with us as well as an abundance of spiritual, emotional, and transformational wisdom, which is all centered in love. Get ready way out casters – Rachel is a total powerhouse - a modern-day sage who’s got insight and spiritual truth to spare and we’re about to dive headfirst into the deep well of a Bonafede love guru – so listen up.
Rachel's song recommendations-
Everything is Allanis Morissette's song defining what the Shadow is according to Debbie Ford’s definition: our shadow is all of the qualities within us both Our Light and Our Dark. Embracing our Shadow, every part of it, was inspired through Ford's shadow process. Allanis went through the coaching program and was a student of Debbie’s.
This Grudge is a song of the long and pain filled journey of Forgiveness and needing to let go of the Grudges we hold onto to honor that those
who wounded us were also there as fodder for our ultimate growth and who we are meant to become.
Only if we do this sacred work of walking the conscious path seeking to heal and become whole. Allanis has done this work ...
Hence the line in her song This Grudge: “You’ve been vilified and used as fodder, you deserve a piece of every record"
Recovery wisdom: "A miracle is a shift in perception, to see now what we couldn't see." ~A Course In Miracles
The Best Year of Your Life- Debbie Ford
The Dark Side of The Light Chasers- Debbie Ford
The Artists Way- Julia Cameron
Getting the Love You Want- Harville Hendrix
~~HEALTHY LOVE MEETING~~
The Healthy Love Meeting is every Thursday night at 9 p.m. Eastern time on intherooms.com
Contact Rachel at:
THE REGAL 550 11TH STREET
SOUTH BEACH, FL 33139
This week we’ve got an interview that will push the limits on your conventional understanding of what it means when we hear the 12-Step vernacular around practicing the principles of recovery in all our affairs. Entrepreneur, writer, and public speaker Michael Brody-Waite contends far too many of us in recovery are likely, and unwittingly compartmentalizing the tremendous power, embodied in the 12-Steps, exclusively to our addictions all the while shielding the other parts of our lives that could be similarly transformed – if we only applied the very same principles of Recovery to other parts of our lives – namely our work lives. Michael and I discuss specifically what elements of Recovery can transform your work life and how to apply them and his new book – “Great Leaders Live Like Drug Addicts: How living like a drug addict will transform the way you lead yourself and others” all the while sprinkling in his recovery journey and the spiritual wisdom embodied within his 17 plus years of continuous Sobriety so listen up.
Resources Mentioned in this Episode:
The Gifts of Imperfection
This week we’re addressing a topic that very likely affects many of us as we enter into recovery, and especially the longer we sustain our recovery. But before I introduce this week’s topic; I’d like to humbly invite anyone who’d like to hear my recovery story to join a weekly online Zoom speaker meeting at 8pm Central Time this Saturday the 18th of April. A dear friend of mine, Buddy C. asked if I would share my recovery story – and I was told under no uncertain terms very early in Recovery that when asked to be of service; we are obliged to do so given we have the ability. Check the show notes for the details on how to attend and I hope to see you all there! Now, back to this week’s topic. We’re talking about experiencing Survivor’s Guilt after someone close to us relapses or tragically dies as a result or consequence of their addiction and/or alcoholism. Greif is a complex, difficult, and often messy process that can be complicated by the emotions associated with Survivor’s Guilt. We may be plagued by questions like why me? Questions that stem from an unhealed part of ourselves desperately screaming to be mended. These emotions can often leave us feeling stuck; and be a counterproductive force in our recover journey. If you’re one of the many who’s struggled with the agony of Survivor’s Guilt, then this episode is for you. We’ll find out what Survivor’s guilt is, how it befalls us, and what precisely we can do about it to heal in order to overcome this unpleasant and unwelcome emotional distress so that we can really be there for those who are still with us, so Listen Up.
Saturday Night AA Speaker Meeting:
Open online AA Meeting every evening at 9 PM Eastern
Topic Meeting Nightly with a different AA Speaker every Saturday Night
Please log in early to install Zoom software
Access from any phone, PC, or iPad
Meeting ID is 432316244
Go to www.ZoomAAMeetings.com (url goes directly to zoom link) to
install software and access meeting. Will continue based on attendance.
Text and share ZoomAAMeetings.com with all your friends in recovery that may need a meeting!
This week Jason’s got an interview that all you ladies out there will especially relate to with Ashlee Herget. Don’t tune out just yet though gents; I related to Ashlee’s story in a way I didn’t expect and though I know I shouldn’t be surprised by now; the universal struggles that unite our collective experience as people in, or contemplating recovery show up early and often in Ashlee’s story. Just shy of 3 years clean and sober, Ashlee brings her story to us in a disarmingly frank and vulnerable retelling of her journey to recovery rife with fits of inadequacy; shame, family turmoil and knock down drag out bouts of addiction and alcoholism – all from the female perspective. So to all you ladies out there bringn’ your sober on the daily, this one’s for you and for every single one of us there’s a whole lot recovery wisdom and insight about to be heard regardless of what gender you happen to identify with so Listen Up.
Jesus Calling- by Sarah Young
The Body Keeps the Score- by Bessel van de Kolk
"You hit the bottom when you stop digging"
"Nothing is too damaged that recovery can't fix"
We’re bringing you a special episode dedicated to helping you work your program of recovery and survive – nay – thrive in this unprecedented time of Pandemic Covid-19 sane and sober. For many of us we’re dealing with new fears we likely hadn’t even dreamt of just a couple of months ago, and major life changes are being thrust upon us in the form of our daily routines, work lives and home situations. Two mega triggers for recovering addicts and alcoholics – Fear and Change are flaring up for many of us big time right now. We may be feeling off kilter; and reeling from all of these sudden but necessary adjustments and we’re here to help. Working toward being spiritually, mentally and emotionally centered as well as physically healthy is the name of the game and we’ve got just what the Doctor ordered for you as we demystify why so many of us are feeling the way we are right now and give you sound, tried and true spiritually practical actions you can take, one day at a time, to get through the Coronavirus Winter feeling right as rain, so Listen Up.
Online Meeting Resources:
9:00 pm Eastern Daily
Meeting ID: 943 741 005
5:30 PM Eastern Daily
12:00 1pm Eastern
Smart Recovery Online Meeting
In the Rooms:
Check your the websites of your local Alano or Intergroup for online meeting links and information
Facebook group mentioned in this episode:
This week we’ve got an absolutely righteous interview with Singer, songwriter, producer, writer, and all-around dynamo Lisa Daggs. Along with her many and varied artistic talents, Lisa is a person in very long-term recovery, with over 30 years of continuous sobriety. Lisa’s journey to and through Recovery as told through her Book No Turning Back – Regardless is especially relatable and oozing with universal spiritual truth. We talk about the book, her path through addiction and alcoholism while trying to make it in the cut throat, take no prisoners, chew you up and spit you out music industry and what it took to Recover and live life on life’s terms as a sober Christian woman. So lend us your ears won’t you while Lisa spins yarns about days gone by and what life is like now living Sober, Joyous, and Free while we mix in a few handpicked originals by none other than Lisa Daggs. No doubt about it way out casters, you’re in for a special treat – so Listen Up.
Original Tracks by Lisa Daggs Featured on this Episode (in order of appearance):
I'm Still Dancin'
Some Kind of Wonderful
Links Mentioned in this Episode:
Book Featured in this Episode:
No Turning Back, Regardless
This week Jason brings us the straight up compelling story of Kristin Massman. Kristin’s recovery story will grab you by throat and not let go until right up to the end. Kristin, an unabashed bi-sexual woman, now over 3 years sober, shares her at times heart wrenching and other times super relatable history in a truly authentic and vulnerable way. You will be captivated by the way her journey has led her from the proverbial gutter to self-discovery, self-acceptance, and her powerful ability to advocate for the development of a more inclusive culture in recovery and the community at large. One where everyone is welcomed, loved and accepted as they are. For all of us who know what it’s like to feel shame around who we truly are, and for all of us who have genuinely known the fear living our authentic selves, who know what it feels like to feel like an imposter in your own life, indeed for all of us who know all too well what it’s like to wrestle with addiction and alcoholism, this story is for you so Listen Up.
These are the nonprofits that Kristin works with:
· To work ANY 12 Step program
· Therapy (EMDR, Behavioral)
· Parenting classes
· Speaking (tell your story)
· Fun sober activities
· Assume best intent!! (when communicating with others)
This week we’ll hear co-host extraordinaire Jason interview our good friend Peter S, who candidly shares his Recovery story. Peter’s called in to the show a time or three and brings unbridled honesty and spiritual truth every time. Ultimately his is a story of love, loss and redemption, Peter’s remarkably poignant story is rife with pain and anguish as a once promising career in the Wine industry complete with six figures, a beautiful fiancé and all the trappings was ultimately swallowed up by alcoholism and addiction, leaving him literally jobless, penniless, homeless, and alone. We all know better than to think that’s where Peter’s story ends, don’t we? Fact is, in more than a few ways it is truly where his Recovery story begins. I’m telling you all, this story is candid, raw, and seriously compelling and the wisdom and spiritual truth embodied herein is truly palpable, so Listen Up.
Book: Varieties of Religious Experiences-William James
Opportunities for Change program by the MN Dept. of Corrections
Minnesota Recovery Connection
Minnesota Recovery corps
2218 Alano Club
This week we’ve got an outrageously entertaining and wide ranging interview with none other than Neil the Alcoholic. We full on embraced the tangential nature of my guest, in full realization that any attempt to confine him would only serve to douse his innate ability to tell one hell of a story, of which this episode is chalked full. Neil’s been sober a whole long time, and he’s a walking encyclopedia of historical knowledge of maybe everything ever. We travel near and far geographically and otherwise in what is without question one of the most unique and personally amusing interviews I have done to date, and you won’t want to miss a second so Listen Up.
This week Jason’s got an incredibly relatable, entertaining and enlightening interview with our good friend, Boston Mike. Mike’s been sober since 2012 and is a tremendous advocate 12 Step Recovery – and for good reason – it’s given him more than he could have imagined. Mike spent some time here in the Twin Cities Recovery community; and we became fast friends as kindred spirits are apt to do. We had him in studio over a year ago and due to an unfortunate technical snafu that interview never left the 4 walls of the Way Out Podcast studios. Mike shares his recovery journey with us, how he’s helping others, and what life is like as a working actor and musician in the greater Boston area. This interview is no mere redo, my friends, no it’s a bonafide original much like our Friend, Boston Mike so Listen Up.
-Contact info if anyone wants to reach out to Mike
The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous
Men's guide to recovery
Little Red Book
-Best piece of advice: Get connected to your local recovery community
-if anyone wants to check out some of his work
-Code 13: Unbreakable (miniseries)
-RealiTV (short film)
-I Care Alot (short film)
-Defending Jacob (AppleTV series)
This week I’m grateful and humbled to bring you the remarkable and unique Recovery story of Alan S. I was immediately drawn to Alan as he works both the 12-Steps and the program of SMART Recovery, which complement each other quite nicely. Alan’s story is a case in point in why we continue to bring you personal stories of recovery from alcoholism and addiction. This journey to and through alcoholism isn’t one marked by early childhood trauma, adverse childhood experiences, or early abuse of drugs and alcohol. Alan was the quintessential nerd way before it became a cool nerd culture thing right through college, earning high marks and staying far away from any kind of trouble. But as you’ll soon learn, there’s many paths to alcoholism and addiction, and more than one Way Out so Listen Up.
Links related to Alan’s Story:
This week we’ve got an interview for the ages with Darren Littlejohn, the author of the 12-Step Buddhist. Darren takes us on an often wild, sometimes humorous, and incredibly enlightening ride as he waxes poetic on 12-Step Recovery, the value of integrating Buddhist practices into our recoveries, all the while sprinkling in his 20+ years of experience, strength, and hope earned along the way of his Recovery journey. Darren conjures up absolute magic when we gave him the opportunity to stream his spiritual consciousness with us. We found spiritual truth galore and a whole heck of a lot more as we explored the miraculous mind of the 12-Step Buddhist so Listen Up.
ACE Score Test:
Spiritual Practice Recommendations:
5 Minutes of Meditation in AM
Write down experiences around it for 30 Days
Put your hand on your heart and:
Look at the other person and say "me too" because we all suffer
Tell yourself what you want to hear most
Watch your breath
Books reccomended in this Podcast
The body keeps the score
A New Pair of Glasses
The 12-Step Buddhist:
This week we’ve got a special episode as a part of our commitment to exploring and illuminating alternative pathways to sobriety and Recovery. Dennis Rosenfeld is the facilitator in chief of SMART Recovery’s online meeting program, and he joins us to help introduce us to SMART Recovery, often referenced as one of the most popular alternatives to the 12-Step Method that is so near and dear to my heart. We explore what SMART Recovery is, and perhaps more importantly, what SMART Recovery isn’t. We’ll also explore some of the tools of this program, tackle common questions folks new to this program might have, as well as how to begin working SMART Recovery and how to attend meetings. We cover a lot of ground with Dennis, and yet only just scratched the surface so be sure to check the show notes for a slew of links to help you get SMART. No doubt the best part of all is how throughout the interview Dennis shares how he was reborn SMART & Sober, so Listen Up.
SMART Tools not mentioned in the episode:
Meetings also available for Eating Disorders, Sexual Maladaptive Behaviors, SMART Intro Meetings, Tool Time Meetings, and an ultra-confidential meeting for Medical and Mental Health Providers.
Book Mentioned in this episode:
Sober for Good
This week we’re setting the record straight on an often misunderstood concept in Recovery: the differences between Self Care & Love versus Selfishness and self-centeredness. These concepts may sound similar, but as we’ll learn and unpack in this episode, they are in fact quite the opposite of each other in important ways. We’ll learn what Self Love & Self Care are, what selfishness is and what they look like when they are present in our lives and we’ll discover how to tell if our actions are out of Self Love or if they’ve crossed over into selfishness. Lastly, we’ll gain helpful insight into why self-love and care are so important and how our lives improve when we engage in these love centric activities. Plus, we’ll share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so Listen Up.
This week is all about ourselves. Ehem. Well, to be precise, it’s all about self, which is to say our Egos. Ego is central to who we are as individuals and is the lens in which we view ourselves, others, and the outside world through. The state of our Egos has a whole lot to do with how we treat ourselves and others, and when our Egos are out of whack, our sobriety is too. We’ll do our level best to define Ego and how it affects us in Recovery without going into the proverbial weeds or going down too many rabbit holes, which when we’re talking about a subject such as Ego is certainly easier said than done. We’ll provide you with helpful insight and strategies to keep the ‘ol Ego your Amigo and ensure it doesn’t get to high or too low. Plus we’ll share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls, so Listen Up.
Book Mentioned in this Episode:
A Course in Miracles: https://acim.org/acim/
Sober Meditations: www.sobermeditationsapp.com
Tao of Our Understanding: http://taorecovery.libsyn.com/
This week we’re addressing an aspect of recovery, while incredibly important and impactful to many of us in or contemplating recovery, is often overlooked. There’s oodles of information about parenting in general, and some of that is quite applicable, but very little in the way of the unique challenges those of us in Recovery face. We’ll identify the key issues parents in recovery face, how we can overcome them successfully, and how we can use the tools of recovery to become more present, understanding and consistent with our children. Both Jason and I are Parents in Recovery and I assure you we’re not sugar coating the challenges we face as traverse the often-difficult dynamics that present themselves on the daily as recovering parents. As I often say, life has a habit of getting lifey and the parent child relationship is no exception to that rule. Plus we’ll share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so Listen Up.
Book Mentioned in this Episode:
This week’s edition of The Way Out Podcast is all about goals. Round about this time a year, losta folks are starting to implement their goals for the upcoming year, which makes it an ideal time to bring you an informative and enlightening discussion on goals as they specifically relate to recovery and folks like us who are in or contemplating recovery. We’ll discuss why goals are so important and beneficial, how we can set and achieve long term goals if we’re living a one day at a time sober lifestyle, and perhaps most important how to set goals that are actually achievable and actually improve your overall well being and quality of life. Plus we’ll share oodles of feedback from the Sober and Serious community, so Listen Up.
This week Jason’s got a killer interview for us with Jackie LeClair. Jackie’s journey to long term recovery is rife with adversity including sexual abuse and growing up in the projects on the north side of Minneapolis in an often unstable and largely unsafe home environment, which then led into prostitution and ultimately prison . Jackie’s story, at it’s core is one of victory through hardship and true redemption in it’s purest form. Jackie’s journey to now over 11 years clean and sober is at once heart wrenching and inspiring, one of both tragedy and triumph and you won’t want to miss a minute so Listen Up.
Article Mentioned in Episode:
Book Recommendation: A Woman’s Way Through the Twelve Steps
This week we’re going to help you better understand the art of handling mistakes in Recovery. There are many quotes extolling the virtues around mistake making, some helpful & some not so much however Alexander Pope perhaps said it best in 1711 when he wrote, To err is human. Mistakes, or if we break apart that word into two separate parts; Mis Takes are fundamental to the human experience, yet so many of us fall into self-defeating, counter-productive, serenity smashing thought and behavior patterns both immediately after and long after we make them, no matter how big or small they are. Post mistake self-recriminations, ruminations, and second guessing may result in self-inflicted misery and a self-fulfilling lack of confidence in future endeavors. If you want to break out of this negative and painful feedback loop and be free of the prison of the mind these thoughts and behaviors create and instead spend more time being really present in the current moment in what’s happening right now then you’re gonna really dig this episode folks. We’re going to give you real practical tips and sage spiritual truth that will indeed be the antidote for what’s ailing you, plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take a bunch of your calls so Listen Up!
This week I’m sharing an AA Speaker Tape with you, which kind of reminds me of sharing mixed tapes back in the day. How’s that for a frontal display of my old age? I’m not sharing just any ‘ol speaker tape, no I’m sharing one of my most beloved 12 Step talks of all time. One of the most important and impactful truths I learned and have implemented in my recovery is that I don’t have to act the way I feel, or as the co-host Jason puts it, feelings aren’t facts. Don M from Kentucky talks about emotions and how they ruled his life prior to implementing the spiritual practices of 12 Step recovery. This talk, dubbed “Feelings are NOT reality” strikes at the very core of what alcoholism and addiction are in my experience, and Don does a masterful job at laying out the kit of spiritual tools that are indeed the solution to our common problem. The only thing better than his accent is his experience, strength, and hope so Listen Up.
This week we’ve got a timely episode in store for you on Navigating the Holidays in Recovery. The Holidays can be an especially stressful time charged with difficult emotions and fraught with potentially difficult and risky situations we may not have faced in Recovery. Fear not my faithful friends in Recovery, we’ve got just the thing for you this Holiday with special Holiday edition jam packed and busting at the seams with helpful insights and 12 Tips to Stay clean, sober, joyful and Serene all throughout and after this magical time of year. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious Community and take your calls, so Listen Up!
Sobriety Reset for Women:
This week we’re talking all about Rule #62 of the 12-Step program Alcoholics Anonymous – Don’t take yourself so damn seriously. On the surface, this seems a rather simple and straightforward concept, however on further review; questions likely arise that don’t appear to have an easy answer like What does it mean to not take ourselves too seriously? How serious is too serious? Isn’t Sobriety and Recovery, at its core a serious and often life or death endeavor? How do we avoid taking ourselves so seriously and what recovery tools can we use in our efforts? We’ll answer all of these questions, share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls, so without further ado we give your our episode on Rule 62. Listen up.
Ted Talk Referenced On This Episode:
This week we’re taking controversy head on as we dedicate an entire episode to the oft discussed, mostly misunderstood and definitely unofficial Step 13. Nary a topic in Recovery invites more heated discussion and debate than that of Step 13. Folks in 12 Step recovery accuse one another of it, make light of it, and indeed engage in this type of behavior which can have detrimental and even severe and irreparable consequences to the targets of this sometimes harassing and predatory conduct. We ain’t gonna run from discussing this hot button issue, nor are we going to invoke recovery literature to justify the occurrence of this behavior in 12 Step recovery rooms and clubs. We’ll discuss the risks of this behavior, and they can be grave, what you can do to protect yourself, whether you’re a guy or gal, and what you can do to avoid engaging in it yourself, hint – it has a lot to do with practicing the principles of the 12 Steps and in the meantime we’ll be sharing all sorts of spirited feedback from the Sober & Serious community so Listen up.
Fourth Step Worksheet:
This week we’re concluding our series on the 12 Steps with none other than the namesake of the program, Step 12. There’s a whole lot to unpack in this Step from getting our collective heads around what a spiritual awakening is, to how to carry the message, and perhaps the most daunting directive of all – applying all of the principles of the previous 11 Steps in all facets of our lives. This Step is the coup d'etat, the culmination of all the work we’ve done up to this point, and now we can be agents of good, agents of hope, and ultimately agents of change for those still suffering, those contemplating recovery, and those new or struggling in Recovery. There are many ways to have a spiritual awakening, countless ways to be of service and carry the message of recovery, and endless opportunities to apply the principles of the 12 Steps in our daily lives. In short, Step 12 isn’t the end of our work in 12 Step Recovery, no my brothers and sisters it’s quite literally just the beginning. Have no fear though, we’ll take you through what Step 12 is, how and why we work it, and what we can expect as we implement Step 12 into our life and program of recovery, so Listen Up.
This week we’re driving toward the conclusion of our series on the 12 Steps with our focus turned singularly on Step 11. Much seems to be asked of us in this particular Step, and many whom first encounter it may indeed feel initially overwhelmed and ill equipped to undertake what appears to be an endeavor reserved strictly for high priests, monks and nuns. Thankfully, this most assuredly is not the case. We’re simply attempting, on a daily basis, to become more spiritually aware and connected through intentional acts as we are increasingly able to perform. This comes in more traditional methods like morning and evening prayer, set meditation times, and spiritual reading to less conventional activities like Yoga or breath practices. These activities for all that can and has been said about spiritual practices are essentially intended to allow us to get to the core of our spiritual truths. Are we going to spend our moments, hours, days, and years acting more out of fear and all of it’s manifestations? Or are we going to spend these moments, these hours, these days, and yes these years acting out of love, the truest manifestation of the will of the God of Our Understanding. The answer to that, lies in how often we are willing to mindfully and intentionally do the work that is embodied in Step 11. This episode, in turn, will give you a sound understanding of what this Step is, how to work it, and what we can expect once we begin to integrate this practice in our own lives, so Listen Up.
Step 11 Meditation Worksheets
This week we’re interviewing Joshua Shea and we’re talking about a subject that is cloaked in shame and marred by a social stigma reminiscent of the leapers of bygone millennia. Joshua Shea is a recovering pornography addict, recovering alcoholic and author. Joshua has appeared on over 50 podcasts, television and radio shows using his personal story to promote the ideas that porn addiction spans all demographics and those with a problem should seek help before it’s too late, as it became in his case. While drug addiction and alcoholism no doubt are still battling the bad rap of social stigma to some extent, Pornography and Sex addiction is the Secret affliction hardly a soul will speak of. Despite this deafening silence, porn and sex has never been more accessible. Alarming as it is, 35% of internet downloads are pornographic. 40 million Americans say they regularly visit porn sites and on third of all internet porn users are women. As a consequence, as much as 8% of the population admits to having a sex related addiction and the actual number is likely much higher than that. You’ll find Joshua’s honesty at once disarming and on point, realizing that though the externalities of porn and sex addiction are rather distinct, the underlying causes and conditions are quite universal. There’s little doubt you’ll take a whole lot away from this remarkable interview, so Listen Up.
Books by Joshua Shea
The Addiction Nobody Will Talk About: How I Let My Pornography Addiction Hurt People and Destroy Relationships
He’s a Porn Addict…Now What? will be released in late 2019
This week we’ve got a very different perspective on Addiction & Recovery in an interview with Mark Scheeren. Mark is the co-author of The Freedom Model of Addiction, the first non 12 Step methodology to treat addiction and alcoholism. A word of caution; this approach may sound like heresy to 12 Step enthusiasts and advocates and to some extent it very well may be. Indeed I count myself as a strong advocate for the benefits of 12-Step Recovery. Our philosophy on this program is to bring you a wide variety of views, approaches, and experiences on and around Addiction and Recovery. To invoke a 12 Step slogan, take what you want and leave the rest. That said, I encourage you to keep a very instructive quote from the book Alcoholics Anonymous close to your heart as you listen to this interview “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation”. Mark’s primary message is one of personal empowerment, free will, the power of positive motivation, and ultimately making the case that there’s more than one way to treat alcoholism and addiction. Listen Up.
The Freedom Model:
The Freedom Model for Addictions: Escape the Treatment and Recovery Trap
Chinese Proverb Featured in the Interview:
Be careful of your thoughts, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful of your words, for your words become your actions. Be careful of your actions, for your actions become your habits. Be careful of your habits, for your habits become your character. Be careful of your character, for your character becomes your destiny.
This week we’re bringing you a captivating discussion with Jeremiah Campbell. Jeremiah is many things; an entrepreneur, Father, Husband, volunteer, and indeed a person on long term recovery from alcoholism and addiction. Jeremiah’s anything but picture-perfect trek to Recovery is at once enlightening and inspirational. You’ll no doubt be doing so much head-nodding as you relate to his experience, you’ll look like a baseball game giveaway bobble-head if you’re careful. Jeremiah tells us we’re all destined to be great in only the way we can each be, so long as we’re able to get out of the way and let a power greater unlock our potential. This interview is jam-packed with spiritual and recovery goodness, so Listen Up!
Meditations | Guided Dr. Joe Dispenza (Muse headband)
Books | Traction for business | 4 agreements | Becoming supernatural | Millionaire success habits
This week Jason brings us a powerful & insightful interview with Jeff Powell. Jeff’s story will bring you to the depths of addiction, and the stark reality of what it’s like to battle addiction in the unfriendly environs of the streets of Chicago, to the deceptively unforgiving suburbs of Minneapolis & St. Paul. Jeff’s unadulterated honesty and candor reveal that one can indeed go through the proverbial wringer, and then come out the other side to live a rewarding life of Recovery. You’ll find spiritual truth and Recovery wisdom all throughout this amazing story of Recovery, so buckle up get ready to Listen Up.
Filter Shift: How Effective People See The World by Sara Taylor
Fearless Motivation - Motivational speeches and interviews for free to listen to.
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps with our focus now turning squarely to Step 10. In many ways, this Step is the litmus test in identifying if we’re truly willing to put the principles of the 12 Steps to daily, continual practice within ourselves and those around us. Are we willing to take a regular self-inventory? Are we willing to take responsibility for our actions no matter what the circumstances are? Perseverance is the underlying principle at work here, and it is an indispensable asset to making good on the directive of Step 10. A regular Step 10 worked well is well worth the effort and will pay handsome dividends to the quality of your recovery. We’ll get you up to speed on exactly what Step 10 is, why we work it, how we work it, and what we can expect as a result of this vital Step, plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls. Listen Up.
10th Step Worksheets:
This week we’ve got a very special interview for you with Eric Zimmer, a person in long term recovery from alcoholism and addiction as well as the Host and Co-Founder of The One You Feed Podcast. The namesake of the aforementioned podcast comes from a Cherokee Parable.
The parable, for those of you whom are unfamiliar, goes as follows. An old Cherokee chief was teaching his grandson about life...
"A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy.
"It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.
"One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt, and ego.
"The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.
"This same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather,
"Which wolf will win?"
The old chief simply replied,
"The one you feed."
Eric’s far from idyllic journey to recovery is chalked full of spiritual truth and down-right useful wisdom stemming from not only his own personal experience, but that of nearly 300 interviews of folks across the recovery and spiritual spectrum. This episode is brimming with value to you, whether you’re contemplating recovery, new to recovery, or a recovery veteran. Listen Up.
Check out The One You Feed here:
Eric's Book Recommendation:
When Things Fall Apart by Pema Chödrön
Along with Jason and count ‘em 31 special guests, I’m Charlie and this week we have an incredibly special episode in store for you. Jason and I were humbled to be a part of an extraordinary event a short time ago, the 9th annual Walk for Recovery which is organized by Minnesota Recovery Connection – a non-profit organization committed to building recovery capital in individuals, families, and communities in the greater Twin Cities Metropolitan Area. Jason and I took to the streets of the capitol grounds in Saint Paul, MN to ask folks whom attended this Recovery Extravaganza some questions about why they showed up and what recovery means to them. What we got back was overwhelming and striking themes of connection, unity, hope, and a universal penchant to smash the Stigma of being a person in long term recovery from alcoholism and addiction. So without further ado, I give you What Recovery Sounds like courtesy of Alisha, Andrea, Brandon, Christine, Christopher, Crystal, Grace, James, Jennifer, Jeremy, John, Josh, Kristyn, Matt, Pam, Rick, Vicki, Brian, Corey, Karen, Keith, Kevin, Mary, Melinda, Michael, Micky, Nina, Roy, Sara, Wendy, and last but certainly not least, Wes. Listen Up.
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps with a singular focus on Step 9. There’s plenty of reason why Step 9 occurs in the 12 Steps in the order it does. We’re attempting to straighten out our relationships with others, many of whom we’ve hurt, some in the most damaging of ways. Fear is a likely companion when facing these often daunting amends; but if we follow the simple instructions we will indeed be amazed before we are half-way through this process. We share with you, what Step 9 is, our purpose in working it, how we work it, and reveal that on the other side, a freedom unlike we’ve ever experienced awaits us. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls, so Listen Up.
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps and turning our focus squarely on Step 8. Step 8 is simple; make a list of folks we wronged and become willing to make it right – but for many of us spiritual work, even if it’s simple, just ain’t easy. The reality is; when emotions like fear, anger, resentment, and righteous indignation get stirred up when we think of some of these individuals that have made our list, things get real complicated, right quick. We’ll walk through what Step 8 consists of, our purpose in working it, how we work this Step, and what we can expect when we’ve completed our Step 8 work. We even tackle the hotly and often debated issue of whether we should or shouldn’t put our own names on that Step 8 list. Plus, we’ll share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls, so Listen Up.
This week The Way Out Podcast is going Sugar-Free with Mike Collins – Founder of SugarAddiction.com and chairman of Food Addiction Institute. Mike is in long-term recovery from addiction and alcoholism; 34 years long and 30 of those years have been free from both caffeine and sugar. Mike shares why eliminating sugar and caffeine was a part of his journey and we discover how much both of these substances have in common with drugs and alcohol. Spoiler alert; our relationships to sugar, caffeine, and even food can and indeed may mirror our relationships to drugs and alcohol in active addiction. I implore you to bring honesty, open-mindedness, and willingness along with you as you take this episode in, and truly allow yourself to discover and uncover your own relationship with these substances. I can attest that I cannot deny that I still am guilty of slamming my dopamine receptors with caffeine all morning and sugar in the afternoon – and there’s a likely a reckoning coming my way sooner rather than later. My discussion with Mike, his journey to a drug, alcohol, and sugar-free lifestyle is worth every second of your attention – so Listen Up.
This week we’ve got a very special interview with Jacob Jones, the Author of Recovered and a person in long term recovery from addiction. Jacob shared his story, which is the inspiration behind his book, with my fellow co-host Jason and you’ll be immediately drawn to Jacob’s disarming candor and unabashed authenticity as he shares his battle with opiate addiction and subsequent recovery and what motivated him to put pen to paper to share his journey to recovery – that he may help someone else who is struggling with or cares about some who is struggling with the addiction and abuse of substances. Jacob’s story has it all, and you won’t regret a minute of it, so Listen Up.
Get Jacob's Book Here!
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps with a seriously righteous breakdown of the 7th Step. Simple in it’s phraseology, the 7th Step represents a crucial “First” in our working of the 12 Steps. It’s the first time we’re making an ask of our higher power we connected with in Steps 2 & 3 and utilized in 4, 5, and 6. Step 7 centers around a key and fundamental element of all 12 Steps, indeed, around spiritual development as a whole – Humility. This virtue gets a bad wrap in this day and age, largely because it’s often confused with thinking less of ourselves when in reality humility in practice really means thinking of our selves LESS. We’ll illuminate why Step 7 is so vital, what working this step looks like in practice, and what we can expect after working this crucial Step. Plus, we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community, take your calls, and share an email from one of our loyal listeners, so Listen Up.
Step 7 Literature we discussed:
What's So Amazing About Grace by Philip Yancey
The Tao te Ching
The Recovery Bible
Drop the Rock
The Ripple Effect
12 Steps & 12 Traditions (audio book available on aa.org)
Eight Mindful Steps to Happiness: Walking the Path of the Buddha
A Course in Miracles
The Road Less Traveled
A New Earth
The Power of Now
Sermon on the Mount
Bottles and Barstools
Language of the Heart
One Breath at a time: Buddhism and the 12 Steps
This week we’re taking a moment to celebrate our 150th episode of The Way Out Podcast. We reflect on why this amazing project got started, what continues to drive and inspire us, and what we we’re seeking to accomplish when we bring you powerful recovery stories and recovery power topics in a weekly downloadable format. The simple truth is we’re simply a couple of folks in long term recovery who love to talk recovery and help others to find and enhance their own recovery in the process. We do this because we genuinely like it, and we super like helping others find their own Way Out of addiction and alcoholism, because you deserve the days you have left in this planet filled with the peace, love, and joy that can only come from an examined, purposeful, and spiritual way of life. Plus, Jason takes time to share a recovery related experience we can all learn a whole lot from so Listen Up.
This week we’re stepping away from our series on the 12 Steps to bring you a refreshingly different perspective on Recovery through a truly compelling interview with JF Benoist, Author of “Addicted to the Monkey Mind – Change the Programming That Sabotages Your Life”. JF and I explore what the “Monkey Mind” is, why so many of us reside in this state of mind as often as we do; and how we can transform our minds and bodies in unison to a persistent state of awareness, what Benoist calls the “Observing Mind”. We highlight parallels to 12-Step recovery and call out some key departures along the way. This interview will indeed enlighten and engage you, perhaps in a way that you’ve never experienced, until now. Listen Up.
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps by breaking down the often overlooked Step 6. Step 6 is in part a preparation Step, and because we addicts and alcoholics are a stubborn lot, a quite necessary one at that. We must prepare before we can take transformative actions. The balance of this Step is all about the spiritual practice of acceptance and humility. This episode will prepare you to take this Step by bringing clarity to what Step 6 is, why we do it, how we work it in practice, and what we can expect after we take this vital Step. Plus we share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls. Listen Up.
Sixth Step Prayer:
Dear God, I am ready for Your help In removing from me the defects of character Which I now realize are an obstacle to my recovery.Help me to continue being honest with myself & Guide me toward spiritual & mental health.
God help me become willing to let go of all the things to which I still cling. Help me to be ready to let youremove all of these defects, that yourwill and purpose may take their place. AMEN(p. 76 BB)
A 6th Step prayer:
God, Thank you for removing my fear and for showing me the truth about myself. Father, I need your help to become willing to let go of the things in me which continue to block me off from you. Please grant me you’re Grace Lord and make me willing to have these objectionable characteristics, defects and shortcomings removed. (76:1)
We’re talking all about perhaps the most feared Step of all 12 we work in 12-Step recovery. Nary a soul that has ever been in existence has had an overwhelming desire and willingness to reveal not only our past transgressions and wrongs, but quite literally the worst of themselves to their higher power, themselves and another human being. Many of us have gone to great lengths to tuck our darker selves far far away so we didn’t have to look at it and so others wouldn’t see it. Step 5 is a spiritual housecleaning; allowing us to rejoin humanity in a way we’ve never been able to prior to working this vital step. You’ll walk out of this episode with a clear and deeper understanding of what Step 5 is, the purpose of working this step, and what we can expect during and after we work this all important step. Plus we share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls, so Listen Up!
This week we have two firsts in the History of The Way Out Podcast. Co-host Jason did his first ever solo interview with first time guest Casey Ryan. Casey relates her journey to long term recovery with an easy transparency and brings forth an near endless supply of spiritual truth & recovery wisdom along the way. Casey grew up torn between two worlds, leaving her doubting her own self-worth before finding herself in the throws of alcoholism and addiction. Her story will have you alternately relating, laughing, and ultimately leaving you inspired to take more meaningfully positive risks in your own recovery journey. I just have to say, this quite likely isn’t the last your gonna hear from this absolute dynamo of a woman on this podcast. Now without further ado, here’s Jason’s interview with Casey Ryan. Listen Up.
Casey Ryan Life & Recovery Coaching:
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps. We’re taking on perhaps the most feared, conceivably the most misunderstood, and quite likely the most practically useful Step of the 12 that make up the 12 Step Recovery Program. We’ll discuss in simple terms what the purpose of Step 4 is, how to work this crucial step, and what you can expect after completing this all-important self-inventory process. Plus, we share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls. Listen Up.
Reach out to Andrew:
AndrewBuzzkill - Instagram
ajaxbuzkill - Snapchat
Step 4 Worksheet:
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps with our focus turning squarely to Step 3. Step 3 is the point in the 12 Steps in which we make a fateful decision that will be quickly followed by a series of actions specifically designed and purpose intended to produce a profound change that brings about our recovery from addiction and alcoholism. However we arrive at the decision, whether through introspective analysis on our past way of living or because we’ve seen others work the Steps and Recover – or both; the decision itself remains the same for all. Are we going to keep on living the old way, relying on our finite selves? Or are we going to try something new and start living according to a power greater; perhaps an infinite power to aid us in our transformation from sick and addicted to recovered and free. We’ll discuss in much greater detail why this step is so crucial to lasting and meaningful recovery, how to work this step and what Step 3 looked like for each of us. Plus we share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls. Listen Up.
Step 3 Worksheets:
We have a recovery story for the ages to share with you this week. From a wicked bad childhood riddled with abuse and abject abandonment to a binge drinking young man with a penchant for Grand Theft Auto, Timothy quite literally endured jails, institutions, and after one alcohol fueled nightmare wished for death due to the grave and eternal consequences that resulted. At it’s core, this story teaches us that redemption is possible no matter how far down the scale we have gone, and that each and every one of us has a greater calling and purpose - if we’re open and willing to receive it. Without further ado, I give you Timothy’s story in complete and uninterrupted fashion. Listen Up.
This week we’ve got an incredible interview on tap for you with Arlina – host and founder of the ODAAT Chat Podcast and the brains behind SoberLifeSchool.com. Arlina is a 12 Step recovery powerhouse and her incredible Recovery journey is nothing short of pure inspiration. Arlina’s story is a case study in why we don’t have to use or drink for decades to be a certified Alcoholic or Addict and a model for what long term recovery can look like. Listen Up.
Listen to the ODAAT Chat Here:
Find the Sober Life School here:
Find the 5 Minute Journal here:
This week is all about Step 2 as we continue our series on the 12 Steps. We break down in practical terms what Step 2 means and how to work what can seem to be an impossibly abstract spiritual concept. Plus we share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls. Listen Up.
This week we’re beginning our series on the 12 Steps. We begin, naturally, with Step One which reads “We Admitted We Were Powerless Over Alcohol, that our Lives Had Become Unmanageable”. Critical to overcoming any problem is recognizing & accepting there is a problem in the first place. Step one at it’s very core, is a surrender to our powerlessness and the unmanageability that manifests in our lives as a result. We’ll unpack the key elements of understanding what Step One means, what causes our powerlessness and unmanageability, and practical ways we can work Step One in our own recoveries. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious Community and take your calls. Listen Up.
Step One Worksheet:
This week we’re discussing action - the chief activator of Recovery and the gifts that come to us as a result of the activities we carry out in our programs of recovery and on a daily basis. Action is more important that desire, willingness, and knowledge combined. The truth is, willingness is extremely helpful but not required to recover. The reality is knowledge is beneficial, but not necessary in order to achieve recovery. Right action is the central ingredient in attaining meaningful and continuous recovery. We can’t think our way into right living. We must act our way into right thinking. That’s the central truth of the solution to our core problem – we must continue to carry out the actions in order to attain and sustain a spiritual experience sufficient enough to arrest our disease – or if you will our spiritual malady. We discuss in clear terms why action is so critical, what actions activate recovery, as well as the daily actions necessary to maintain our spiritual fitness and as a result our recoveries. Plus we share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls. Listen Up.
This week we’re examining a rarely explored and often overlooked aspect of a whole and complete recovery. Vulnerability, and our ability to embrace this in our own lives, is at the foundation of our ability to be willing to do the necessary work, take the necessary steps, in order to truly recover from our disease of addiction and/or alcoholism. To the extent we can recognize, acknowledge, and indeed embrace the most broken parts of ourselves and then show them to the world so that we may tap into a until then untapped resources of community and spirituality, is the extent that we will recover completely. When we walk through the fear, backed by our newly found community and spiritual power, we come to know a new freedom and a new happiness as Bill W. wrote. So we invite you to talk a walk with us, right now, as we examine and explore how embracing vulnerability could very well be the key that unlocks your recovery. Plus we share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls. Listen up.
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This week we’re peeling the curtain back on the act of Asking for Help. Asking for help in life and especially in Recovery can be one of the difficult tasks we perform. As difficult as it may be for us; the reality is that this simple act has the power to transform our relationships and enhance our recoveries and lives as a result. We reveal why asking for help is SO difficult; and there are concrete and universal reasons this is so; as well as why asking for help is so vital to a meaningful and lasting recovery. I hope you can bear with some goofy audio courtesy of the buffer monsters invading the Zoom connection as well as my tortured vocals due to an ambitious chest cold I’m enduring – you’ll be rewarded with some serious spiritual gems. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community AND take your calls. Listen Up.
This week we’re discussing a fundamental and root characteristic and phenomenon of addiction. Perhaps the distinguishing feature of addiction is the cycle that manifests itself universally in the alcoholic or addict, and is the defining experience of a undeniably hijacked brain. We discuss our own experiences around the cycle of addiction, explain each phase of the cycle, and how we broke that cycle in order to achieve enduring and meaningful recovery. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls. Listen Up.
This week we’re bringing you a powerhouse discussion on Family in Recovery thanks to two absolute dynamos whom have dedicated their lives to families in Recovery. Pam and Shelly are disrupting the classic paradigm of how families deal with and recover from addiction and alcoholism in a fundamental and phenomenal way. Embracing all pathways to recovery from a family perspective to achieve the ultimate goal of breaking the cycle of addiction and achieving whole family recovery. They wonderfully detail the role each family member has in breaking this often deathly cycle, and the role each family member can fill in moving the entire family to Recovery. Plus we share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls. Listen Up.
Resources mentioned on this episode:
This week we bring you a special edition of The Way Out Podcast. Each one of us has hand selected one of our favorite recovery talks to share with you, in hopes you’ll enjoy them at least as much as we do. What these speakers have in common is rather instructive – they all inject a healthy dose of humor, vulnerability, honesty, and spiritual truth into their talks, and they all leave you feeling less alone and unfixable and more connected and full of hope that in fact there is a solution that provides us the relief we’ve all so desperately sought in drugs, alcohol and other addictions. In the interest of time; each talk has been abbreviated; and I’ve provided links to the full talks in the show notes of this episode. I encourage you to listen to the rest of each one of these spectacular talks; they are worth every second of your attention. Prepare yourselves to relate, to laugh, and to reflect my friends. Without further delay, we give you The Way Out Podcast’s curated Recovery Speaker Episode – Listen Up.
Full talks available Here:
This week we’re talking growth in Recovery. We get off to a bit of a rocky start this week with Louie the Recovery Dog loosing his mind over various humans and animals passing in front of the window that catch his ire; combined with an unexpected juvenile laughing fit over the synonyms to the word “growth”; suffice it to say we all clearly have some more growing UP to do. When we do finally get down to business, we illuminate what growth in recovery has looked like for each of us; and what it looks like for us today. I drop a metaphor that, I hope, will give you some insight into why growth in recovery is so critical. We also discuss what tools we can practically implement in order to activate growth in our own recovery journeys; regardless of where we are in our recovery journey. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls – Listen Up!
This week we’re bringing you an enlightening discussion on the idea that All Pathways to Recovery are valid, important, and worth considering and sharing amongst one another in the Recovery Community. There are an array of formal recovery methodologies that have worked for many of us whom are in active and long term recovery including 12 Step; Faith based, Peer led, cognitive behavioral, among others. There are those too, whom have found their own unique path using a blend of existing modalities or have flat out invented their own approach that works for them. No matter the approach, what matters is that the outcome results in meaningful and enduring change for those whom need and often more importantly, truly desire recovery from addiction and/or alcoholism. We discuss in practical terms why all pathways to recovery are valid and worthwhile; what many of these methods are, and how we can go about selecting the best pathway for us – regardless of where we are in our recovery journeys. Plus we share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls – Listen Up!
This week we’re delving into the topic of Sponsorship in Recovery. If you’ve spent any time at all around the rooms of 12-Step recovery you no doubt have heard more than a few folks spout the virtues of sponsorship. We tell you what sponsors are, and perhaps more importantly what they are not as well as what a sponsor does and again of at least equal importance, what they do not do. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls – Listen Up.
This week we’re undertaking, pardon the pun, the heavy topic of Grief in Recovery. Grief is often a complicated, difficult, and down right messy process we all must endure during our time here on earth. It’s as core to the human experience as experiencing love and human connection, and indeed is an unpleasant and direct consequence of our profound capacity to bond with our loved ones. We discuss how active addiction and alcoholism often complicates the grieving process, how the grief process works, and how we can apply the tools of Recovery to aid us in this process we work through, however imperfectly that may be. Plus we share feedback on this topic from the Sober and Serious community AND take your calls – so Listen Up.
This week we’re breaking down a subject that quite often played a critical role in our active addiction and alcoholism, and is if supreme importance to as many as 80% of us whom have a substance use disorder. And that is the issue of Mental Health. Those of us whom have a mental health diagnosis know all too well the perils of having to navigate the pitfalls of both alcoholism and/or addiction along side a mental illness such as depression, anxiety, bi-polar, or any number of mental health issues. We break down what mental health means, how it affects addiction and alcoholism, and practical actions you can take to improve your mental health and as a result your daily life in Recovery. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community – you all had a LOT to say on this one, and we take calls from The Way Out Podcast Listeners. Listen Up.
This week we’re discussing boundaries in Recovery. Emotional & Physical boundaries often were all over the place while we were in active addiction and alcoholism. An untoward side-effect of ritualistic masking and numbing emotions with substances produced the side-effect of being disconnected from the boundary warning signals our emotions are sending us. Recovery is often a process of discovery. Getting to know how we feel given certain behaviors and situations informs what our boundaries are. Some boundaries are abundantly clear – such as overt physical or emotional abuse, and others are less so – requiring us to pay close attention to those newfound emotions and what they’re trying to tell us about ourselves. We’ll define what boundaries in recovery are, how to define them for yourself, and how to communicate them to the people in your life. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take one very interesting call – Listen Up!
Great article on setting Boundaries in Recovery by Hazelden:
This week we’ve got a compelling interview with Author Kristin Casey. Kristin is the Author of Rock Monster: My Life with Joe Walsh as well as an intimacy coach and a person in long term recovery from addiction and alcoholism. Make no mistake; the hook of Kristin’s book is Joe Walsh. Joe is an enigmatic character who commands a “look at me, look at me” kind of attention and Kristin does a superb job of bringing Joe to life over the course of the story laid out in the pages of this remarkable memoir. More striking is the way in which Kristin’s very identity becomes inextricably connected to Joe and the rise and fall of their relationship – a dynamic all too many of us can intimately relate with. The remarkably dark and desperately lonely place King Alcohol took Kristin after her identity was stripped from her as a result of the demise of their relationship is nothing short of horrifying – a true miracle she’s here with us today. The only part of Kristin’s story more remarkable than her wild ride with Joe Walsh and the shocking events that followed is that of her extraordinary comeback powered by working the 12-Steps, a good sponsor, and yes, being of service. We’re suckers for a good ‘ol fashioned comeback here at The Way Out Podcast and Kristin’s story doesn’t disappoint so Listen Up.
This week we’re breaking down the oft overlooked and perhaps even more so dreaded 12-Step concept of Character Defects in recovery. In short order, you’ll get a practical definition of what Character Defects are and why we want to shed their dominance over our day to day thoughts, actions, and interactions with others. Understanding the what and how of it will lead is into what actions we can take in order to free ourselves from the stronghold character defects such as fear, anger, selfishness, control, among many others, have on us. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls so Listen Up.
Drop the Rock:
Drop the Rock...The Ripple Effect
We’re talking relapse and recovery. Relapse often can be a loaded term; often bandied about in discussion on recovery spurring heated debates on whether relapse is a part of recovery or if it is the antithesis of what we’re trying to achieve in recovery. Make no mistake, relapse can be and is a part of many of our journeys to long term and meaningful recovery and assinging shame or judgement on those who experience relapse has no place in recovery. That said, relapse is NOT a part of recovery itself – no relapse is fundamentally the total absence of recovery and is antithetical to everything we’re seeking in recovery. We take a closer look at the stages of relapse, what behaviors mark each stage, and what we can do to thwart the onset of relapse thinking and behavior. Whether you’re new in recovery or been around a few 24 hours, you’ll get a mega dose of relapse defying insight and practical tools you can apply to your recovery. Plus, we hear what the Sober & Serious community has to say on the topic and take calls from The Way Out Podcast Listeners. Listen Up.
I’m Charlie and this week I’m bringing you a special presentation of perhaps one of the if not the most influential talks in modern 12-Step recovery. We’re bringing you this in lieu of our regularly scheduled podcast on relapse in Recovery. We had a bit of a technical snafu causing us to push our weekly recording to Wednesday. Parenthetically that caused me to work through some character defects like perfectionism, pride, and ego which I’ll talk more about in the Recover Revealed segment later in the podcast. Nevertheless, stay tuned for Wednesday’s episode on Relapse in Recovery as I am SUPER excited about what we’ve got in store for you in that episode. I’ve isolated the audio of Fred Holmquist’s lecture on the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous and the 12-Step program it outlines for all of you to easily listen and take in as you would with any other podcast you might listen to. Fred distills the quintessential dilemma of the addict and alcoholic in such a way that cuts straight to the heart of the matter which then sets up his distillation of the solution perfectly, which is a program of action as outlined in the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. Perhaps nobody has done a better job than that of Fred Holmquist relating our core problem and the solution contained in the 12-Steps since Joe & Charlie’s talks entitled “The Big Book Comes Alive”. My hope is that you will find this talk as enlightening and as useful as I did when I watched the videos while in treatment at Hazelden more than 4 years ago, but even if you only find them a fraction as useful that would still be a tremendous addition to your recovery.
This week we’re talking Complacency in Recovery. Complacency can be a formidable and subtle foe in maintaining meaningful and lasting recovery. It is without question quite human to experience complacency in any number of facets in our lives; and recovery is no exception. For those of us in Recovery however, complacency often can and indeed does precede relapse. We’re going to discuss what complacency in recovery means; how to detect it, where it stems from, and what practical action we can take to ensure we’re not falling victim to this all too common pitfall in Recovery. Plus we share comments on this topic from Sober & Serious AND take your calls! Listen Up!
This week we’re talking right to and all about the Newcomer to recovery. It’s often said the newcomer is the most important person in a 12-Step meeting, though it doesn’t necessarily feel that way when you are first entering a program of Recovery. We give you, the newcomer, straight forward, practical actions you can implement straight away that will yield remarkable results as well as helpful insights into why these actions make such a big difference in Recovery. For the person in long term recovery, we remind you of how vitally important it is to your own recovery to reach out and help the newcomer in any way you can. Plus we take calls from the Way Out Podcast listeners. Listen Up.
This week we’ve got a fantastic discussion on tap for you with Mr. Mike Govoni. Mike has been in long term recovery from addiction and alcoholism to the tune of 14 years, works on the front line in emergency rooms on the opioid & addiction crisis, and is the founder of Breath by Breath Wellness – where mindfulness and breath are cornerstones of his approach to total wellness coaching. Mike has one amazing Recovery story to share, along with incredibly insightful lessons he’s learned on his journey to wellness. He speaks of ACE’s – or adverse childhood experiences, a topic we’ll dive into in greater depth in our Recovery Revealed segment, as well as what he learned from each of the TWO bottoms he’s hit in his Journey to recovery; one of these bottoms while in sobriety. You won’t want to miss a minute of this gem of an interview so Listen UP.
Mike can be reached here:
Instagram : mikegovoni
Facebook: mike govoni
Adverse Childhood Experience Test (you'll need to find it in the article):
This week we’re discussing the importance of and how to inject perseverance into recovery. Without question any meaningful and lasting recovery must have some measure of perseverance as a foundational and defining characteristic. Perseverance is often the key ingredient that separates those who succeed in any endeavor, and Recovery is no exception. A cursory Google search on the word perseverance will yield countless quotes from some of history’s most influential people, waxing poetic on the virtues of hard work, determination, and a never say die attitude. You’ll get the low down on perseverance in Recovery and how to apply it to your own recovery as well as why the goal might actually be to have to persevere LESS. Plus we take calls from The Way Out Podcast Audience. One note before we kick the show off – I humbly ask that you persevere through a less than ideal audio experience as the studio equipment was adjusted by a 17 year old boy whom shall remain nameless while he was recording piano samples with Dad’s podcast studio gear, thus the gain on the channel my vocals are recorded on was up WAY too high. I did my level best to clean up a very HOT signal, so without further ado – Listen Up.
These instructions are for the below prayer (Big Book, Freedom from Bondage, p. 552):
‘If you have a resentment you want to be free of, if you will pray for the person or the thing that you resent, you will be free. If you will ask in prayer for everything you want for yourself to be given to them, you will be free…Even when you don’t really want it for them, and your prayers are only words and you don’t mean it, go ahead and do it anyway. Do it every day for two weeks and you will find you have come to mean it and to want it for them, and you will realize that where you used to feel bitterness and resentment and hatred, you now feel compassionate understanding and love.’
This week we’re taking on the number one offender in preventing recovery from taking root and often a major contributor to relapse – Resentments. We shed light on what resentments actually are, how to detect if you have them, why it’s so important to move past them, and how to actually live a life that is free of the devastating effects of resentment. Plus we take calls from The Way Out Podcast listeners – Listen Up.
This week I’ve got a down right remarkable story to share with you; a story not often heard on The Way Out Podcast airwaves. Melinda’s story is marked by a tumultuous and chaotic childhood providing the fertile soil for dysfunction and addiction to take root as she began to traverse the uncharted territory of adulthood. The sentinel moment that marked the beginning of Melinda’s Recovery is ultra-relatable and provides the compelling catalyst for her finding Recovery in various programs, not the least of which included the 12-Steps in Adult Children of Alcoholics. Melinda’s perspective on Recovery is on point; astute, and nuanced, and quite refreshing. To that end, and without further ado, I give you Melinda in unadulterated and totally uninterrupted fashion – Listen Up.
We’ve got a phenomenal interview for you with Stephen Daniels, who is in long term recovery from both gambling and porn addiction. Stephen shares his 15 plus year battle with these addictions in an honest and authentic way, looking to smash the stigma and shame that’s so often attached to addiction, especially society’s awkward relationship to porn and the deafening silence and lack of conversation surrounding porn addiction. Stephen’s story affirms that despite how our primary addictions manifest, whether it be drugs, alcohol, gambling, or porn – the root cause and the solution is universal. Stephen’s mission to break the silence and smash the stigma of porn and gambling addiction starts right now. Listen Up.
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The Problem & Solution by Fred Holmquist Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMtTfUBTes8 (Part 1 of 5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crP10-oqzHo (Part 2 of 5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9ot0QCHzXk (Part 3 of 5)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUsSarmLKtY (Part 4 of 5)
https://youtu.be/rEO6fbfm1sg (Part 5 of 5)
Staying Sober: A Guide for Relapse Prevention:
We’re addressing a common struggle many of us have faced on our recovery journeys – the process of facing and overcoming barriers to recovery. We’ve talked at length on various important and impactful elements of recovery and this week we’re helping demystify common barriers we often face before lasting and meaningful recovery can be achieved. Learning what these barriers are, and how to overcome them is paramount if we want to achieve rewarding & enduring recovery. All this, plus we take calls from The Way Out Podcast listeners – Listen Up!
We’ve got an outstanding final episode of 2018 for you to enjoy. Jared is coming back into Recovery after a near fatal overdose and shares very candidly and openly about his struggle with alcoholism and heroin addiction. Jared’s journey dovetails splendidly with our ensuing discussion on Community in Recovery. It’s often said in all walks of life, regardless of the situation, that “it takes a village” and that is no truer than in Recovery. Community in so many ways provides the antidote to addiction and alcoholism. We give you the big wins that come from connecting with your recovery community & even more helpful, we give you practical ways you can make that life giving community connection. Plus, we take calls from The Way Out Podcast listeners. Listen Up.
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This week we’ll be exploring an often treacherous dynamic in recovery – relationships. Many of us have endured unhealthy and even toxic relationships during our active addiction and alcoholism. Navigating relationships, especially in early recovery; whether you’re currently in a committed relationship or contemplating entering a relationship, can be difficult and complex at best and down right risky and dangerous at worst. A toxic relationship in recovery can threaten your sobriety and even the very safety of yourself, your children, and your family. We discuss in very practical and useful terms how to navigate these turbulent waters and share how our programs of Recovery helped us be better friends, sponsors, sponsees, and mates as well as how our pickers done got fixed. Listen Up.
Sometimes in Recovery we have to adapt & overcome unforeseen obstacles that stand in our way; or as the Serenity Prayer elegantly states – Change the things we can. Our recording session for this week’s podcast was stopped before it started when we had a key piece of equipment fail – preventing us from being able to record any audio. For your audio tech nerds out there, it was my trusty and yes kind of dusty Alesis iO2 audio interface that went belly up. With any hopes of a studio session dashed I was faced with two choices; either skip this week’s podcast all together or try to put something out myself. Just as I was attempting to lie down for a sleep last night an idea popped into my head – what if I could get folks to call in to the show and share whatever was on their heart or mind regarding recovery? An all caller based show! Ladies and germs, that’s exactly what we have for your this week. We’re often faced with a choice to do something or nothing; and this week is the result of a decision to give you all something special, straight from our listeners. Thank you so much AnneMarie, Big Jim, Buddy, Chris, and Michelle – each and every one of you most certainly made this possible. Listen Up.
This week we’re covering a seriously under-rated topic in Recovery – Purpose. We discuss in simple & practical terms what purpose actually is and how we can achieve purpose in our own lives. Spoiler alert, it doesn
Gratitude, can indeed be something we can cultivate in our lives with intention and purpose. Gratitude is a powerful emotion we’ve all hopefully experienced on some level through various points in our lives, but we of
We discuss perhaps one of the most important & profoundly impactful topics in Recovery – acceptance as well as it’s yang to the yin – Denial. Without question a hallmark of active addiction and alcoholism is behav
Forgiveness in the context of Addiction and Alcoholism recovery is an essential and transformative process which in classic paradoxical fashion actually releases the Forgiver - providing the crucial freedom from the bon
Emotional sobriety strikes at the very core of what it means to be an addict and alcoholic. We bring you an engaging and enlightening discussion on what Bill W of Alcoholics Anonymous dubbed the next frontier of AA –
We’re breaking down perhaps one of the most, if not the most important elements in sustaining meaningful recovery. The Way Out Podcast is on right now. Along with my cohosts Jordan and Jason, I’m Charlie and this w
This week we’ve got a special interview with a fellow recovery Podcaster John from Sober Speak. I never cease to be amazed at the power and spiritual truth that comes through each & every recovery journey & John is no
We answer crazy important questions like what in the actual EF is this Gift of Desperation? . I’m Charlie and this week Jason, Alex and I discuss a phenomenon in recovery often referred to as the Gift of Desperation.
Chris’s journey to recovery from over-eating and alcoholism was remarkable and will with out any doubt ring true with any one of you whom are struggling with or in recovery from alcoholism and/or addiction. Chris’s
We discuss the spiritual axiom of surrendering to win. I’m Charlie, and this week my co-host Jason and I are bringing you an incredibly useful and enlightening discussion on Surrender. More specifically we discuss th
The difference between sobriety and serenity. We’ll learn what serenity means, why it’s important in Sobriety, and what we can do to achieve this seemingly elusive and abstract goal of recovery. We break down the s
Super Sobriety Topic Terminal Uniqueness. Along with Jason and Alex, I’m Charlie and we’ll be your hosts for this week’s discussion on the Super Sobriety Topic Terminal Uniqueness. We’ll give you an indispensabl
Along with Jason and Alex, I’m Charlie and we’ll be your hosts as we discuss the Recovery Power Topic, Spirituality in Recovery. So much of 12-Step recovery and faith based recovery programs involve the concept and
The Way Out Podcast is on right now. I’m Charlie, and this week, along side my co-hosts Jason and Alex we bring you an enlightening conversation on one of the single greatest four letter words in Recovery: hope. No d
I’m Charlie and today I’m joined by my two new co-hosts Jason and Alex as we have an insightful and practical discussion on fear and recovery. We answer the question burning in every recovering person’s mind – e
This week I’m over the moon to have had the opportunity to have an engaging discussion with Rachel Grant. Rachel is an expert and survivor -check that – a beyond survivor of sexual abuse and has a powerful message o
The Way Out Podcast is on right now. I’m Charlie, and I’ll be your host for Episode 96 with Annie. Annie talks candidly and openly about the three addictions she is in recovery from, over-eating, nicotine, and alco
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for what turned out to be an outstanding interview with this week’s guest, Philip Andrew. Philip’s story is riddled with hard knock lessons and ripe with a struggle and triumph
I’m Charlie, and I’ll be your host this week as I bring you a powerful interview with Keith Campbell – a person in long term recovery and the founder of the world’s fastest growing online recovering community –
This week I’m absolutely ecstatic about bringing you the Podcasting duo Meagan and Bob from The Addictionary Podcast. Meagan and Bob are father & daughter and are both persons living in long-term recovery from addicti
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host this week for an amazing interview with Amy LaBossiere. Amy is an Artist, Wife, Author and a woman in long term Recovery. Amy and her husband own Still Waters Retreat in Connectic
I’m Charlie, and I’ll be your host this week for the second part of our two-part series with my dear friend Raven. Raven shares how her addiction and alcoholism spiral into what turn out to be untenable extents, wit
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host this week as I bring you part one with my dear friend Raven, who shares her story of addiction, alcoholism and recovery in only the way she can. Raven’s matter of fact, tell it li
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host this week as we bring you part 2 of my discussion with John C Mabry. We pick up right where we left off last week as John describes how he rose to success in film and TV as his dise
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for this week’s episode, which is packed with spiritual truth from beginning to end. John Mabry’s journey to living in recovery and living in his self-described “truth” is a
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for Part Two of my conversation with Amy Dresner, Author of the compelling addiction memior “My Fair Junkie”. Amy and I pick up right where we left off last week as we dive her
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for part one of a two part series with former stand-up comedian and current author and contributor to The Fix – Amy Dresner. Amy has an absolute whale of a tale to share with us,
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for part two of my interview with Eric, a loyal listener of The Way Out Podcast whom bravely shares his story with us. In part two, Eric shares how his alcoholism comes to a breakin
The Way Out Podcast is on right now. I’m Charlie, and I’m thrilled to bring part one of Eric’s story, a story you’ll only find here, on The Way Out Podcast. Eric has an amazing story to share, and I found mysel
I’m Charlie and I’m thrilled as always to be your host for this week’s episode and the conclusion of my amazing discussion with legendary tattoo artist Freddy Negrete. Freddy’s heart condition resulting from his
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for the first episode of a two part series with legendary tattoo artist Freddy Negrete. Freddy’s first years were marked by abandonment and abuse as he grew up in East L.A. in the
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for this week’s episode where we bring you part two of my amazing chat with Leeanne. Leeann’s story is so instructive in a great many ways; as she shares he first 13 years of re
Leeanne has quite an amazing story & recovery journey. Growing up as an American in Saudi Arabia up until High School; attending boarding school in France and ultimately moving back stateside to attend Catholic School d
We pick up right where we left off last week; as Brandon shares his implausible journey to recovery, and the miracles that have transpired in his life since achieving substantial and meaningful recovery. Listen Up.
The Way Out Podcast is on, right now. I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for a truly special episode with none other than Brandon Novak. Brandon’s early life was stamped indelibly through early family turmoil juxt
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for the second half of our two-part series we started last week. We pick up right where we left off; with our guest smack dab in the middle of a bit of a crises. His foster parent
I’m Charlie, and I’ll be your host for this week’s episode as we partake in the first of a two part series with a very special guest; one I’m proud to call a friend and mentor in my own recovery. You’ll notice
I’m Charlie, and I’ll be your host this week for part two of my discussion with Christopher Lee Falk. Christopher’s life is about to take a big U-Turn after his chance encounter with the “seen it all before in t
. I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for this week’s incredible episode, where we’ll hear part one of a two part series with Christopher Lee Falck. Christopher’s life was nearly over before it really even bega
This week I bring you my conversation with Laura L.; a dear friend of mine whom I met upon entering into recovery just over three years ago. Laura’s story provides incredibly instructive context into the discussion on
On deck for you this week is part two of my interview with Amber Murphy, author of the brand new book Can’t Keep A Sober Girl Down. Amber shares how her self-described divine intervention compelled her to do something
I first met the guest of this week’s and next week’s episodes while on location with Omar Pinto of the Shair Podcast and was immediately struck by her authenticity, wisdom, and warmth as it emanated from her seemingl
This week we bring you the first ever Game Show in the history of The Way Out Podcast. A continuation of our live interview with Omar Pinto – we play “Blasts from Podcasts Past”, which is an adapted form of classi
This week; with a heart over filleth with gratitude and joy I bring you a show featuring the incomparable Omar Pinto from the Shair Podcast. Omar, or “O” as many affectionately refer to him shares his story of addic
This week; we diverge from the usual guest interview and have on tap for you a special episode on The difference between the program of the 12-Steps and the fellowship of the 12 Step organizations; including a review of
This week, I bring you my discussion with Seth H., who has three continuous years of recovery from drug addiction and alcoholism. Seth has a powerful story; and even more powerful message – he’s truly convinced ther
. This week we bring you 4 outstanding interviews; all from artists who are in long term recovery from drug and alcohol addiction. In order of appearance you’ll hear from Joe Nester, Marcus Newman, REM One, and of co
This week we recorded an amazing interview with musician and recording artist Jam Alker. Jam celebrates 3 years of continuous sobriety today; and our discussion covers the recovery waterfront in only the way a man like
This week we’ve got part two of my interview with Megan Peterson. Megan’s fierce dedication to helping those whom suffer from drug and alcohol addiction is impossible to ignore; and “no excuses” attitude plays a
Megan has spent her entire life working in the field of addiction; and has tremendous insight into what it takes for lasting recovery to take hold in a person’s life. Megan is a one of a kind, and is truly passionate
. This week we bring you part one of my interview with Austin Cooper of Sober Evolution. Austin is in his fourth year of continuous recovery and is the founder of the social media group Sober Evolution. Austin shares
This week I bring you the conclusion of my interview with Nikki Dubose, super model turned recovery and mental illness warrior. Nikki shares what it took for her to surrender to her would be terminal battle with addicti
This week I’m thrilled to bring you part one of my interview with Nikki Dubose; a former Super Model turned author, ambassador, and mental health & Addiction and Alcoholism recovery advocate. Nikki’s memoir “Washe
This week we’ve got the good fortune of hearing part one of my interview with Gillian P who’s six years of continuous sobriety has given her a new life; one that allows her to share her experience, strength, and hope
This week I have the wonderful opportunity to share my interview with Aaron; who has worked on the front lines of the Heroin Addiction epidemic as a counselor in a treatment center for teens. Aaron just celebrated 8 yea
This week I bring you a conversation with Roger F on Vulnerability and emotional risk in recovery. The interview was recorded while traveling from Stillwater, MN to Minneapolis MN so you’ll hear the sounds of the road
Tim Ryan; founder of the non profit recovery advocacy organization; A Man in Recovery and soon to be starring in A&E’s 1 hour special ‘Dope Man’ debuting July 31st which is a look at the day in the life of Tim Rya
Picking up right where we left off last week – in the height of Jackie’s active alcoholism. Jackie shares what it was like at the end of her drinking, and what it took for her to recover from a seemingly hopeless st
In Part One Jackie shares on what it was like growing up on a dairy farm in small town America, the eldest sibling of 3, the classic go-getter and self-proclaimed goody two-shoes who quote didn’t like to drink turned d
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Welcome. Thank you for joining us on the second installment of The Way Out. Sharing stories from people just like you who have recovered from alcoholism and other addictions. The Way Out does not speak on behalf of, n