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The Way Out | A Sobriety & Recovery Podcast

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I Believe in You with Judge Dyanna Street | The Way Out Podcast Episode 217
In this edition of The Way Out our intrepid and talented co-host Jason has a profoundly personal and powerful interview with Judge Dyanna Street. Judge Street is the person that chose to give Jason another chance at life by awarding him a downward departure in his felony case in lieu of 98 months in prison. You'll get to know her as a person and get a rare opportunity step inside the mind of a judge. We learn what challenges and rewards come from doing this type of work, as well as hearing lots of powerful personal stories from her career So listen up.
November 30, 2020
One Good Reason with Sean McCann and Andrea Aragon | The Way Out Podcast Episode 216
In this rendition of The Way Out we have two truly remarkable guests with one incredibly powerful message, that true and lasting recovery is possible – if you’re willing to do the necessary and yes, often hard work. Sean McCann and Andrea Aragon are each at once disarming and enchanting  and are not just husband and wife, but also a compelling example of love, perseverance, and the embodiment of what a relationship can look like coming out the other side of the devastating toll alcoholism and addiction can wreak on a marriage. You might know Sean from his days with Great Big Sea and indeed you’d be well served to give a listen to his solo material, and believe me when I tell you, you won’t have to listen to Andrea long to understand why Sean adores her so. We talk a just a wee bit about the book they co-wrote, One Good Reason, and a whole lot about shedding shame, speaking our truth, and leaning into the difficult and essential work that leads to enduring and meaningful recovery not to mention a truly special surprise at the end of our chat which by my count is much more than One Good Reason to Listen Up. The Book:
November 25, 2020
Wake Up Recovery for Codependents with Sherry Gaba | The Way Out Podcast Episode 215
This week the best recovery podcast co-host in the business, Jason has an outstanding interview with veritable Recovery Powerhouse Sherry Gaba. Sherry Gaba is a licensed clinical social worker, Psychotherapist, Life Coach, and Certified Recovery Coach specializing in individual, couples, family, and group psychotherapy as well as the editor of Recovery Today Magazine. Sherry was the go-to expert for Dr. Drew Pinsky’s Celebrity Rehab show on VH1 and later on the spin-off, VH1’s Sober House as well as Celebrity Rehab’s Sex Addiction. As you’ll soon discover, Sherry frames addiction and codependency as two sides from the same coin, indeed codependency has a lot more in common with addiction than we might think. We get to know Sherry, learn a lot from her about her life's work, addiction, and codependency, as well as how we can identify and overcome it so #Listenup Sherry's books FREE E-BOOK! "The truth about codependency" plus quiz The Law of Sobriety: Attracting positive energy for a powerful recovery- by Sherry Gaba Love Smacked:How to stop the cycle of relationship addiction and codependency to find everlasting love.- by Sherry Gaba To join the tribe at Wake Up Recovery for Codependents go to
November 16, 2020
There's So Much More in Store Sober with Holly Wilson | The Way Out Podcast Episode 214
In this edition of The Way Out we’ve got Holly Wilson; a Woman in long term recovery and the founder of Women's Recovery – a Treatment and Recovery Center for Women. Holly shares her story and journey through alcoholism and into long term recovery openly, honestly, and with a singular goal – that her story might inspire others to seek and achieve enduring and meaningful recovery. From early childhood trauma and battles with perfectionism, over-achieving, and self-harm to a bonafide battle with alcoholism, and a profound moment of clarity followed by honest the transformational work embodied in the 12 Steps - Holly’s story indeed has it all. Without question she’s an absolute treasure and talking recovery with a dynamo like Holly makes for tremendous recovery radio – so listen up. Women's Recovery Treatment and Recovery Center
November 10, 2020
Shoulder Taps from God with Duane Fletcher | The Way Out Podcast Episode 213
This week our intrepid recovery podcast co-host Jason has a tremendous interview with Duane Fletcher – a person in long term recovery with nearly 8 years of continuous sobriety and co-host and co-creator of the Our Recovery Life Video Series on YouTube, which like this here podcast, features incredible recovery stories and recovery topics to inspire and enhance recovery. Duane’s story is an extremely powerful and all too familiar one of childhood instability, abuse, trauma, with a through line of chaos and wicked battle with addiction that even in sobriety proved to be a formidable adversary. Duane shares his story in particularly relatable and down to earth fashion and in a way to that is chalked full of hope for those who are still struggling. Through his remarkable journey to and through addiction and into recovery, Duane gives us plenty of recovery and spiritual wisdom we all can apply to our own recovery so Listen Up. Best piece of advice: "Build and use your support network. You are not alone!" Book Recommendation: Big Book- Acceptance is the Key (pg. 417) Song that reminds Duane of his recovery.- Slippin'- DMX Best I AM - FLAW Daily practice: My knees hit first ( daily surrender) Recovery resource: Check Out Duane on the YouTube channel "Our Recovery Life"
October 26, 2020
Success and Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 212
We’re back with another enlightening and valuable edition of our Recovery Power Topic Series. The topic dejour? Success and Recovery. Anyone who’s ever happened upon a recovery based social media group doesn’t have to look for too long or very hard to find folks highlighting their accomplishments in and out of recovery. Fact is folks do that in recovery meetings quite frequently too; and to that end a big part of 12 Step recovery is centered on celebrating length of sobriety milestones which seems magnified on social media often with corroborative evidence of what life was like pre recovery and what it’s like now in recovery in the form of the ubiquitous pre and post sobriety side by side pic with how much time has been spent sober, sometimes down to the minute. Now no doubt this can show real and honest hope that in fact recovery IS possible AND your cohost and I have certainly produced our own iterations of this very phenomenon in hopes that someone might just see it and think if THAT guy can do it – maybe, just maybe so can I. The slippery slope, however, is to start comparing how many reactions or as I like to call them now, internet points, yours gets versus another’s. Moreover, length of sobriety is a hyper one dimensional and rather shallow standard in which to measure the success of one’s recovery, much like the length of an individual’s life doesn’t tell you a whole lot about how well that life has been lived.  Success then, is in the eye of the Recovery Holder, and we’re here to guide you through some of the standards, spiritual truths, and recovery principles at work when you go about the business of attempting to evaluate your own success both in and out of recovery so listen up.
October 19, 2020
Don Cummins Comes Home to Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 211
This edition of The Way Out features a story unlike any other we’ve told before. Author, speaker, person in long term recovery and reformed serial bank robber Don Cummins shares his incredible journey to recovery with us with remarkably true humility and candor. For Don this is a story, ultimately, of coming home after spending what seems like more than a lifetime lost and unwell in mind, body, and spirit. Don’s story is poignant and striking evidence that we can and do recover from seemingly hopeless circumstances and indeed proof positive that no matter who we are and how severe our individual case of addiction and or alcoholism is, we don’t ever have to drink or use again – provided we are willing to do a little work. So strap yourselves in, Way Out Casters – you’re about to go on one awe inspiring, heartfelt, and wild ride with one heck of a happy ending courtesy of our new friend Don Cummins – so Listen Up. More about Don & Contacts: Insta: Website: About the book:
October 12, 2020
The Alcohol Matrix with Dustin Dunbar | The Way Out Podcast Episode 210
In this installment of The Way Out we’ve got author of the upcoming book, Alcohol Matrix and PHD holder Dustin Dunbar. Much is made of and discussed in recovery circles about the problems that lie within us and how those problems increase our susceptibility, severity, and recovery to alcoholism and addiction. There’s little doubt that adverse childhood experiences, trauma, mental health diagnoses, and arguably even genetics play a role in the chances an individual may become addicted to alcohol or any other substance at some point in their life. What perhaps doesn’t often get enough attention and discussion, is how addictive these substances, and in this case alcohol in particular, actually is. It seems we give alcohol a pass and think of it in a very different way than we do other addictive substances – often faulting the individual who’s become addicted for the problem – and none of it on a toxic substance that anyone can become physically dependent if they consume enough of it for long enough. Maybe because it’s legal, socially accepted, and habitually advertised, we come to think of it as wholly different than illicit drugs; but the real truth of the matter is, the nature of how an individual becomes physically dependent on heroin is precisely the same as how one becomes dependent on the drug that we call alcohol. Dustin, now living an alcohol free life, shares with us why he’s chosen to live alcohol free, what his research and studies have revealed about alcohol and the toxic and addictive nature of it, and how we can flip the script on the idea all too many of us have embedded in our deep subconscious minds – that alcohol in some fundamental way benefits us – and accept the reality that indeed it causes far more harm than good so Listen up. The Alcohol Matrix Book (50% ALL Pre-Orders):
October 5, 2020
The Funky Brain with Dennis Berry | The Way Out Podcast Episode 209
This week I have a thought provoking and unbelievably instructive interview with Life Coach and fellow podcaster, Dennis Berry who is also in long term recovery from addiction and alcoholism. Dennis and I illuminate incredibly important topics that can transform your recovery and life. We talk about purpose in giving, the awesome power of meditation, quieting and calming that funky brain of ours, and truly nurturing our mind, bodies, and spirits with physical, mental, and spiritual actions and activities so that we can truly be living in the present and be living our true purpose so listen up. Contact Dennis Berry! The Funky Brain Podcast:
September 28, 2020
Healer, Heal Thyself First with Alyssa Rocco | The Way Out Podcast Episode 208
This edition of The Way Out can be summed up by answering a very compelling question: What happens when you’re a life coach and you find yourself in the middle of your very own life crisis that reveals a critical obstacle that’s been preventing you from truly connecting with the people you’re trying to help? The answer my brothers and sisters is you go about the business of healing yourself first; which is precisely what our very special guest, Alyssa Rocco, went about the business of doing as soon as the true nature of her predicament was uncovered. As a life coach, often the presumption is this person has all the answers and furthermore has it all figured out. As we’ll learn however, this isn’t really how life coaching works. No, life coaching is at it’s core a process of allowing the individual on the receiving end of the coaching relationship to get honest about what they are truly seeking, and working with their coach to remove the barriers to achieving that end goal – whatever that might be. As it turns out, Alyssa had some obstacles of her own to address before she could truly be of maximum service to her newfound higher power and the people she interacted with in and out of her work. At it’s essence this is a story of self-honesty and humility put into action producing a profound transformation within Alyssa; who is brimming with spiritual and recovery wisdom as a result so listen up. Contact Alyssa Rocco:
September 21, 2020
On the Front Lines and to the New Frontiers of Addiction Care with Dr. Harshal Kirane | The Way Out Podcast Episode 207
In this installment of The Way Out we have some serious addiction care and research brain power coming at you by way of Dr. Harshal Kirane, a Medical Doctor, Addiction Psychiatrist and the Medical Director of Wellbridge Addiction Treatment and Research. Dr. Kirane’s passion and sincere desire is to put in the work to bring the still suffering the best of what we presently know in addiction care, as well as continue advance pertinent research in order to improve care and produce better outcomes for a greater number of those afflicted with the disease of addiction. We dive into important and relevant subject matter in and around the diagnosis and treatment of addiction as well as the genetic and biological predispositions and manifestations of this disease that is still so deeply misunderstood and stigmatized by society at large. Indeed, we’ll learn about how our genetic makeup, childhood experiences, and yes, our very own brains affect our likelihood of becoming addicted and how that addiction manifests in our bodies and minds. Further, we discuss what kinds of therapies and methods can be combined to provide care that has the power to truly transform active addiction into meaningful recovery so Listen Up. Links to the resources mentioned in this episode: Wellbridge Treatment and Research: SAMHSA Treatment Finder:
September 15, 2020
Change is Easy When You Stop Chasing the High with Micheal G. Dash | The Way Out Podcast Episode 206
In this installment of the Way Out we bring you an enchanting interview with Entrepreneur, former CEO, and Author of “Chasing the High”, Michael G Dash. In long term recovery from both gambling and drug addictions, Michael takes us for a ride through his tumultuous foray into and out of addiction, which included an Adderall infused, six-year legal battle with a former business partner. Through the 12 Steps and a combination of the transformational power of EMDR and FLOW; Michael came out the other side a changed person; which he argues is NOT as difficult as we often want to make it out to be. Michael insists the idea that change is hard is a counterproductive and self-fulfilling prophecy whereby we convince ourselves that change is hard before we have begin to do the work of change; and meaningful change begins by doing something different, something positive one day at a time. That’s a concept I wholeheartedly embrace as the day at a time mindset is very much at the heart of 12 Step Recovery. Michael challenged me on the what I now view is the “Change is Hard” FALSE belief and we here at The Way Out Podcast officially challenge each and every one of you to flip the proverbial script in your own hearts and minds – dare to tell yourself that meaningful change isn’t the big bad boogey man we all too often make it out to be and follow it up with action. Start making your bed – today. Start a new physical activity – today. Here’s to change, and here’s to an illuminating and instructive conversation that, if we make our minds up to it, we all can learn a thing or two so Listen Up. Books Mentioned on this Episode: Miracle Morning by Hal Elrod: Chasing the High by Michael G. Dash:
September 6, 2020
The Dangers of Idolizing Others in Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 205
In this edition of The Way Out we’re back with a serious recovery power topic – The Dangers of Idolizing Others in Recovery. The working title of this episode was a skosh more sensational, but I digress. The desire to pedestalize others who seem to be working the perfect recovery program, or that appear to living the good life because of sobriety is quite natural. We hear phrases like stick with the winners, and to a large extent that’s sage advice. What becomes dangerous, is when we raise these recovery rock stars to demigod like status in our own minds – that’s when the balance has officially tipped precariously too far in the wrong direction. I got better, indeed, most of us got better by finding the people that had what we wanted and applying what worked for them to our own programs of recovery. Some of those things stuck and worked like spiritual and recovery magic while others fell by the wayside due to inefficacy or lack of relevance. When we enable others to be launched into recovery super stardom, or conversely attempt to be Recovery Icons ourselves, that’s the exact point in which we’ve crossed the God line. Right out of the gate when we finally surrendered to our addiction and/or alcoholism we admitted we were powerless. You and me. WE. Then WE went about the business of connecting to a power greater than US. That means I can’t be my own higher power and neither can you. When we idolize another, or quest to become idols ourselves, we’re putting our faith in someone who’s powerless over this disease, and that my friends is perhaps the greatest danger of all. That’s precisely why we’re going to dig deep into the how and why of it all as well as provide practical tools to ward against this pitfall of recovery. Plus we share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so Listen Up.
August 31, 2020
The Spiritually Transformative Experience with Tim Moon | The Way Out Podcast Episode 204
In this rendition of the The Way Out we have Tim Moon, a frequent listener of The Way Out Podcast who has been in long term recovery from alcoholism for over 2 years. Tim writes about his recovery and spiritually transformative experiences for the website contemplative light, as well as his own website, quantum recovery. Tim’s journey through alcoholism and into recovery is marked by two distinct spiritual experiences, one rooted in religion early in adulthood and another much later as part of his recovery from alcoholism which was firmly rooted in the 12 Steps. The contrast between these two experiences in relation to Tim’s relationship to The God of His Understanding, and the spiritual work involved in the later experience highlight a central truth – faith without works is dead. Both of Tim’s spiritual experiences were quite profound in their own right; the later was infused with transformative action centered in spiritual principles designed to straighten out the relationships held with God, Self, and others. You’ll find Tim’s experiences both relatable and illuminating, and indeed downright fascinating so Listen Up. Quantum Recovery by Tim Moon: Tim Moon’s Essay on the Spiritually Transformative Experience and Recovery:
August 24, 2020
Junk Knowledge with Marques Marchand | The Way Out Podcast Episode 203
In this installment of The Way Out Jason’s got a spectacular interview with Author, and person in long term recovery and dual diagnosee, Marques Marchand. Growing up in the 80’s, Marques endured his share of family dysfunction and adversity and like so many of us found drugs and alcohol to be quite the suitable escape from not only the strife within the family, but also his bi-polar II disorder which he wouldn’t discover until well into sobriety. Sober at 22, Marques’ story is a welcome reminder that we don’t have to drink and use for decades to fully qualify as alcoholics or addicts. Indeed, as his recovery journey unfolds, we come to understand what sobriety without working a program of recovery can be like – and how profoundly we can change, grow and truly transform when we start applying fundamental spiritual principles and sound behavior change on a foundation of sobriety. Listening to Marques share his road to true recovery is like sitting with an old friend in Recovery share their story, complete with all the laughter, camaraderie, and heaps of spiritual and recovery truth at every turn so Listen Up. Best piece of advice- "Just be willing" Direct quote- "The Boogie Man is a coward. He lives in the closet for a reason." Book Recommendations: Can't hurt Me by David Goggins Song that symbolizes Marques' Recovery: Protection by Massive Attack Marques' Books: Junk Knowledge: This is how I stayed sober The Darkest Chapter: A Messy Guide to Dual Diagnosis Recovery Resource Recommendations: Alcoholics Anonymous Adult Children of Alcoholics Marques strongly suggests Journaling or Writing
August 16, 2020
God Works in Mysterious Ways with Adam Fout | The Way Out Podcast Episode 202
In this edition of The Way Out Podcast the best Co-Host in the business has an exceptional discussion with writer and person in long term recovery Adam Fout. Adam’s journey to recovery, like many of ours, begins in fits and starts before it takes hold in a way that’s meaningful and enduring. Relapse is a part of many of our stories, and truly we can learn from them and use what we experienced when the next window of recovery opportunity presents itself. Adam’s window flew open with the undeniable help of the hand of God himself when his brother fell gravely ill and with the push he needed from those that loved him most. What Adam did with that opportunity is the stuff that universally makes recovery possible and indeed sustainable; and the genuine and authentic manner in which Adam relays his God inspired, hope filled, and wisdom bearing story is nothing short of compelling so Listen Up. Website: Contact Info: Best piece of advice ever received - "Do you really think God brought you this far just to drop you on your ass now?" Book Recommendation - Jesus' Son by Denis Johnson Song that symbolizes Adam's recovery - Discipline by Nine Inch Nails Favorite Pearl of Wisdom from the interview - "The steps are just something to distract you while God heals you in the background."
August 11, 2020
Do Not Give Up Now with Essi Bagheri | The Way Out Podcast Episode 201
In this edition of The Way Out we’ve got a story and a guest like none we’ve had before with motivational speaker, author, and trauma coach Essi Bagheri. From growing up in Iran and separated from his 11 year old mother before the age of 1 and  subject to untold abuses, to child soldier, to refugee and what amounts to more than a lifetime’s battle with addiction and alcoholism, and finally coming out the other side to use his powerful and inspiring story to drive home a powerful message – Do Not Give Up Now. Essi’s story and amazing journey is a case study in a fundamental truth: so long as we’re still alive – there’s always hope. The circumstances of Essi’s experiences are at once extreme and poignant, yet the universality and commonality of what it means and feels like to battle addiction and alcoholism, and the common solution so many of us have found rings pure and true. No question way out casters, this story right here embodies the fundamental problem we all experience and the universal truth that provides our solution so Listen Up. Book Mentioned on this episode: Shattered Soul by Essi Bagheri: The True Story of a Child Soldier Contact Essi: Social Media Links: Email: Website:
August 3, 2020
Jesus and the 12 Steps with Katy Patton | The Way Out Podcast Episode 200
In this installment of The Way Out cohost Jason has an outstanding interview with Katy Patton. Now, I stopped believing in coincidences somewhere inside of my first six months of Recovery, and I ain’t about to start now. The fact that we had a last minute cancellation, creating a gap in our weekly episode rhythm, combined with the fact that Jason was quite literally on a trip with Katy who’d already agreed to be on the show, and the house of their mutual friend they were staying in had a professional voice over studio? Well, color me convinced that The God of My Understanding wanted Katy’s story to be our 200th episode – a feat I wouldn’t have dreamt possible prior to my own recovery in 2014 round about 5 and half years ago. Katy’s story is one that in large measure is living on both ends of the spiritual spectrum, from a militant, and for a stretch sober atheist to a down and dirty struggle with addiction, in and out of treatment, to finally, a full and complete surrender to the God of her Understanding, in Jesus. Katy shares in a an ultra-relatable, humble, and downright inspiring fashion what was blocking her from true recovery; along with the essence of what ultimately brought about true change, and the enduring and fulfilling recovery that followed so Listen Up.   Resources:  Hope Recovery Manor  PARKERSBURG, WV 26101 3048939086 EMAIL: HOPERECOVERYMANOR@GMAIL.COM Brandi's Legacy (women's faith based) 1417 Lancaster Street Marietta, OH 45750 304-916-8468 New Hope Creation Center (men's faith based) 800 North Main Street Malta, OH 43758 304-916-8468 Harmony Ridge Recovery Center 330-481-3727 Life Changers 865-456-2064 Book recommendations: Bible Big book  NA Basic Text Song recommendations: Worship Music Boha Tribe Best advice: Keep coming back! It works if you work it!
July 26, 2020
Hope Springs Eternal with Scarlet Begonias | The Way Out Podcast Episode 199
In this edition of The Way Out we have a truly extraordinary interview with Scarlet Begonias, a full time traveling professional model and person in long term recovery from addiction. We’re truly honored to be the first to share the story of Scarlet’s journey to sobriety and wellness in no small part because of the passion and authenticity woven into her words as she speaks her truth so that it may encourage and inspire you in your own recovery journey. Beautiful inside and out, Scarlet’s unabashed sincerity, forthrightness, and willingness to be vulnerable with us proves in undeniable fashion that comparing our insides with other folks outsides in equal parts self-injurious and counterproductive.  Stay tuned way out casters – Scarlet’s about to take us from a broken, down and out restaurant worker to a woman in long term sobriety quite literally living her dream – with one down right wicked bout with addiction smack in the middle of it all – and most importantly real recovery wisdom combined with an impassioned message of hope that will without question resonate – so listen up. To Write Love On Her Arms:
July 17, 2020
Sobriety Isn't Perfect But It's Worth It with Kellina Martin | The Way Out Podcast Episode 198
In this edition of the way out we’ve got a truly wonderful and insightful interview with Kelli Martin, a dear friend of mine whom I had the pleasure of meeting inside the rooms of one of my favorite 12-Step fellowships. There is an old saying in the rooms of recovery to describe someone who has allowed their sobriety and recovery to permeate their entire being, mind body and soul. It goes like so “You know, that so and so wears their sobriety like a loose fitting garment” – and that’s exactly the feeling I get every time Kelli and I get the opportunity to talk Recovery. Kelli’s journey to recovery was not easy, perfect, or always pretty – she had to persevere through some incredibly difficult stuff as a child. She had to shed old ideas about God and life that were not serving her. She had to come back to the rooms after a wicked relapse and be intentional about reconnecting to a higher power and getting involved in the 12-Step program and fellowship. She had to find peace with the fact that her two adult children still, after nearly a decade of sobriety, will not have anything to do with her. Kelli’s story proves to us that we can have meaningful, enduring, and satisfying lives in recovery that are not perfect fairy tale endings. You’re in for a real treat way out casters – Kelli is the real deal and her story delivers an undeniably rich combination of spiritual truth, relatable experiences, and practical wisdom we can all apply to our own recovery tool kits, so Listen Up. The Other Serenity Prayer God, grant me the serenity To stop beating myself up for not doing things perfectly, The courage to forgive myself because I’m working on doing better, And the wisdom to know that You already love me just the way I am.
July 10, 2020
Ray Corona Went From Dumpters to Happy & Free in Sobriety | The Way Out Podcast Episode 197
In this edition of The Way Out I’m honored to bring you a terrific interview with a loyal listener and now aspiring recovery podcaster Ray Corona the 3rd. Ray’s story is loaded with adversity as he quite literally takes us from being homeless and getting high behind a parking lot trash dumpster all the way to nearly two decades of sobriety with a loving wife and family and even running a company. Above all this is a story that proves to us once again, that no matter how far down the scale we’ve gone, our experience can indeed benefit others. I sincerely believe there’s magic in Ray’s story that will provide hope and change for many here on this podcast and in his own podcasting adventures. There’s true spiritual power in all of our stories, because we see ourselves in them. Because they give us real hope. Hope that we too can recovery. Proof that we too can change, if we’re willing. To that end, and without further ado I give you Mr. Ray Corona the 3rd – so Listen Up.
July 4, 2020
Dual Diagnosis Recovery with David O'Meara | The Way Out Podcast Episode 196
This week our favorite recovery pod co-host Jason’s got an enlightening and relatable interview with David O’Meara, who’s authored 2 books which share is personal accounts of his struggles with and recovery from addiction and alcoholism, as well as schizophrenia and depression. David’s shares his story of what it was like to wrestle with both addiction and mental illness openly, honestly, and unapologetically in print and here for us for one simple but powerful purpose – to help those who are still suffering like he once did – and that is a shared mission here at The Way Out Podcast. Undoubtedly, you’ll find yourself relating and identifying with the more poignant pieces of David’s story, and surely you’ll delight in the unmistakable and undeniable message of hope that’s embodied herein so Listen Up. David’s books: The Book of David: God, Life and Recovery The Book of David: Path to Recovery David's best piece of advice: "Don't give up and keep coming back!" David's book recommendation: The Holy Bible If you would like to reach out and contact David you can email him at
June 26, 2020
Shedding Shame | The Way Out Podcast Episode 195
The Way Out Podcast is on right now. Along with our beloved cohost Jason, I’m Charlie and this edition of The Way Out we’re talking exactly how we can shed the shame that often accompanies alcoholism and addiction and shed it for keeps. Shame and guilt are frequently used interchangeably but they are two distinctly different feelings. I feel guilty if I take something that’s not mine without permission. I feel ashamed because I can’t stop stealing even though I know it’s wrong. Shame is a feeling of unworthiness. It’s a feeling of plain not being good enough. If you really knew who I was and the things I’ve done you wouldn’t want to have anything to do with me. Shame becomes a part of our identity. There’s two likely culprits of this often debilitating and negative cycle perpetuating beast called shame. We’re either ashamed of how we’ve treated people, including ourselves or we’re ashamed of becoming addicts or alcoholics. No doubt we likely are suffering from one or both of them as we enter into recovery.  Buckle up Way Out faithful, We’re going to show you precisely how we were able to shed that shame monster for good, plus we’ll share feedback from the Sober and Serious Community and take your calls so Listen Up. Shame Acronym: Shame: Should Have Already Mastered Everything Smart Recovery Meeting Facilitated by Alan: Don't let COVID-19 keep you from getting your Recovery Tonight! At SMART Recovery, we have online ZOOM meetings "going on" for you. I will be facilitating an online meeting every Sunday night at 10 pm ET under the username SleeplessInSeattle. It is free to attend, confidential, active participation is optional and e-mailed meeting verifications are available. SMART Recovery is for all addictive behaviors. Our meetings last 90 minutes and we average about 175 attendees per meeting. Here is our meeting format: To Join Tonight's 10 pm ET Meeting If You Do Not Have Your Free, Confidential SMART Recovery Online Account: 1. Go to 2. Click on "Online Community" 3. Click on "Register for SROL" and complete your free, confidential online registration. 4. Click on "SMART ONLINE MEETINGS" and then "Meeting Schedule & Event Calendar". 5. Click on the Link Entitled: Sunday @ 10:00 PM to 11:30 PM ET - Facilitated by SleeplessInSeattle - VERIFICATIONS PROVIDED Want to find out more about Smart Recovery? Watch Our Introduction Video:
June 23, 2020
When It's Hard to Do the Next Right Thing | The Way Out Podcast Episode 194
The Way Out Podcast is on right now. Along with the cohost with the mostess, Jason I’m Charlie and we’ve got a stellar rendition of The Way Out on a topic not oft discussed in and out of recovery. Many of us are quite familiar with the Recovery mantra “Do the next right thing” when faced with uncertainty in how to act in a given moment or situation, and for good reason – this saying embodies the idea that we need to act our way into right thinking, rather than think our way into right living. We have new spiritual principles that we’re now aiming toward, principles that are rooted in love and guided by a power greater than ourselves. What happens wayoutcasters, when it’s hard to do the next right thing? How do we move through decisions and situations where doing the right thing is also seemingly the most difficult thing? It’s times like these where the ol’ platitudes of Just Do It and Don’t think Just Do, frankly fall short and rather flat. While these suggestions might be well intended, they’re not all that practical or helpful when we’re faced with a daunting decision that has us deeply conflicted. We’re going to fill in the gaps for you on what and how to do, when it’s hard to do, the next right thing. Plus we’ll share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so Listen Up. Smart Recovery Meeting Facilitated by Alan: Don't let COVID-19 keep you from getting your Recovery Tonight! At SMART Recovery, we have online ZOOM meetings "going on" for you. I will be facilitating an online meeting every Sunday night at 10 pm ET under the username SleeplessInSeattle. It is free to attend, confidential, active participation is optional and e-mailed meeting verifications are available. SMART Recovery is for all addictive behaviors. Our meetings last 90 minutes and we average about 175 attendees per meeting. Here is our meeting format: To Join Tonight's 10 pm ET Meeting If You Do Not Have Your Free, Confidential SMART Recovery Online Account: 1. Go to 2. Click on "Online Community" 3. Click on "Register for SROL" and complete your free, confidential online registration. 4. Click on "SMART ONLINE MEETINGS" and then "Meeting Schedule & Event Calendar". 5. Click on the Link Entitled: Sunday @ 10:00 PM to 11:30 PM ET - Facilitated by SleeplessInSeattle - VERIFICATIONS PROVIDED Want to find out more about Smart Recovery? Watch Our Introduction Video:
June 14, 2020
Sober Meditations with Buddy C. | The Way Out Podcast Bonus Episode
I’m super stoked to bring you this bonus mini episode with Buddy C who shares with us his new project – Sober Meditations. Inspired by his work with his own sponsees and centered on the 12-Steps, Spirituality and the healing and transformative power of the practice of mediation, Sober Meditations is available through an app on both Google Play and the Apple App Store as well as online via any current web browser. I’ve been on my own meditative journey for exactly 120 days and mediation is now very much a core spiritual and recovery practice. If you’re looking to start your own foray into mediation, I highly recommend you look to Sober Meditations. Buddy shares his own insight and experience with meditation, walks us through installing and navigating the app, and gives some helpful advice for meditation beginners and pros alike so Listen Up. Get Your Sober Meditations! On the Web: Android: (Also Available on Apple IOS) Like the Show? Share the Love by leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts in iTunes! Leaving a review on iTunes is the single greatest way you can help us get our message out to folks. Drop us a rating and review by going to this link and then opening Apple Podcasts:
June 9, 2020
Turning Excuses into Change in Progress | The Way Out Podcast Episode 193
We’ve got a brilliantly informative and enlightening rendition of the show for you all about excuses, recovery, and how to turn these counterproductive defense mechanisms into positive change in progress. Rooted in fear and purpose built to prevent meaningful and rewarding transformation, excuses are quite complicit in the perpetuation of active addiction and alcoholism as well as lack of progress or regression in Recovery and spirituality. Excuses, justification, and rationalization are intrinsically tied together and born out of fear. Perhaps it’s fear of change, or failure, or of losing something we desperately believe we need to survive, such as our substance of choice. Alas, we don’t have to live in a world of excuses, justifications and rationalizations that keep us stuck, sick, and perhaps back in our disease. What we must do, is feel the fear and do the next right thing anyway. Because on the other side of fear wayoutcasters – is freedom. We’ll demystify the how and why of excuse making and share how we, and you too turn excuses into positive change in progress. Plus we’ll share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so Listen up. Book referenced in this episode: Pain to Power Vocabulary: Step 1 Worksheet: Like the Show? Share the Love by leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts in iTunes! Leaving a review on iTunes is the single greatest way you can help us get our message out to folks. Drop us a rating and review by going to this link and then opening Apple Podcasts:
June 8, 2020
Let the Body Heal the Mind with Dr. Alice Kerby | The Way Out Podcast Episode 192
I wanted to take a brief moment, off the top to acknowledge and address what’s happening in my hometown in this moment. Born in Minneapolis, raised in the Twin Cities, and a life-long Minnesotan, I am, nay we all are still very much grappling with the heinous and horrendous tragedy that is the killing of George Floyd this past Monday, May 25th. I’m at once experiencing feelings of deep sadness and incredible helplessness after watching the now infamous footage of this horrific event and left desperately searching for a way to help make this right as I watch the city in which was born be burned to the ground and the very fabric of our community be torn apart. Many of you are now experiencing much the same in your own communities this very moment. Only through sobriety and recovery can I turn to the only answer that makes any real sense at all. I must turn to love, compassion, and put them into action. To that end our family will be donating food and supplies to my beloved South Minneapolis this very afternoon. This is a show about Sobriety, and Recovery and yet at our core what we attempt to embody is how to live in harmony with ourselves and others, how to act more out of kindness, tolerance, humility and ultimately love and less out of fear, animosity, and hate. The true purpose, desire, and mission of this show is to give you, the listener, of all ages, races, identities of gender hope that you too can recover and indeed the tools that work for you to truly thrive in the time we have on this earth. To that end, in this week’s edition of the show we have a supremely informative, beneficial, timely and apropos discussion on the use of somatic experiencing to address the often chronic states of stress, anxiety, and the near constant mental ruminations that always seem to accompany these unwanted states of mind and body agitation. Many of us are trauma survivors and have endured adverse childhood experiences that contribute to feelings of stress and anxiety. These undesirable states may be even more prevalent and exacerbated due to the current pandemic and community strife we are all experiencing. Dr. Alice Kerby, a Doctor of Physical Therapy, a trauma practitioner, and a person in long term recovery shares how Somatic Experiencing can and does heal us from bottom up through incredibly simple and effective tools rooted in tuning in to the sensations of our bodies. These practices, when done regularly under professional guidance can profoundly change the way we feel in our own bodies AND minds, reduce, and eliminate chronic and acute stress and anxiety and ultimately improve our overall well-being, so Listen Up. Somatic Experiencing Practices Mentioned in this Episode: · Interoception · Pendulation · Orienting · Extended Exhale · Qigong · 5 Senses Practice · Self-Body Check-in Sober & Calm Course (5 & 30 Day Courses) Book Mentioned in this Episode: Laura McKowen We Are the Luckiest: The Surprising Magic of a Sober Life Contact Dr. Alice Kerby:
May 31, 2020
Got Problems? Heidi Davis Found Her Answer in Jesus | The Way Out Podcast Episode 191
This week co-host extraordinaire Jason’s got a killer interview with Heidi Davis, a woman in long term recovery from alcoholism and addiction and very passionate about what brought her to and keeps her in long term recovery. I happened to read one of her social media posts that read like an intro to a recovery memoir and immediately said to your favorite recovery co-host “get her on the show”. I can’t tell you exactly why I was immediately compelled to get Heidi on to share her story, but I’ve learned after a few 24 hours in recovery to trust my instincts when they speak to me, and this time my instincts were demanding for Heidi to share her experience, strength, and hope. I do not claim to be a Christian, nor do I believe that Christianity, or any other religion is the only way to recover or the only path to freedom from Addiction and Alcoholism. What I do sincerely and whole heatedly believe however, is that it is indeed, if you will indulge me a play on words A Bonafede Way Out of addiction and/or alcoholism. A the old 12-Step mantra goes – take what you like and leave the rest. I urge you to listen to the similarities in Heidi’s story – heavens knows I found more than a few myself, and indeed listen for the commonality in Heidi’s struggle through a ravenous, unrelenting and certainly progressive bout of alcoholism and addiction and look for the universal key to recovery regardless of method – complete surrender. You’ll be nodding your head and laughing along as you relate to Heidi unfurling her story in only the way she can, so Listen Up. You can find Heidi Davis on Facebook and you can contact her on FB messenger*** LADIES ONLY PLEASE *** Book Recommendation: The Bible If you don't know where to start Heidi recommends the gospel of John. Because John is the gospel of LOVE and you need to first understand how much God loves YOU! Heidi's best advice: Battle Plan 1) Have at least one believer in your tribe who has battled the demon of addiction. 2) Be brutally honest with them. Share your struggles, pain, fear, concerns, and victories! 3) Get life verses. Find scripture that reminds you of who God says that you are and who He says that He is. PUT THEM EVERYWHERE. Jeremiah 29:11 is a great one! 4) Check in daily. 5) Pray daily. 6) Get in the word everyday. Read even when it doesn’t make sense. NO WORD RETURNS VOID. 7) Find a church and go. Even when you don’t want to. Those are usually the days God has a message for you. 8) Don't suffer in silence. Some days are going to be HARD. Put on praise and worship and SING YOUR WAY OUT! 9) Be still and know that He is God. You don’t have to have it all figured out. Know He does. 10) Show yourself grace and don't strive to be a SUPER CHRISTIAN. Let the Holy Spirit do the heavy lifting.
May 22, 2020
The Power of Connection in Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 190
In this edition of The Way Out we turn our collective attention to a the very human need of connection and as we’ll discover, it has particular importance to those of us in Recovery from substances or other addictive behaviors. Recent and mounting evidence suggests one of the factors in determining whether or not an individual will develop an addiction is their ability or inability to establish and maintain healthy, meaningful connections to others, to the world around them, and to something greater than themselves. In a very real way, the opposite of addiction is not sobriety, it is indeed connection. Abstinence, however is a prerequisite for those of us who are addicts, alcoholics, or both for the artificially induced dopamine high courtesy of something decidedly non-human blocks our ability to connect in a meaningful, authentic way to the very people we so desperately want to connect with, whether we are aware of it or able to admit it or not. It’s no coincidence then, many of us who are in the midst of, or in recovery from addiction long have had trouble creating and sustaining the vital connections that are fundamental for all humans to truly thrive. This difficulty in connecting, often but not always rooted in childhood trauma and adverse childhood experiences is very much part of what we are healing when we begin our recovery journeys. Establishing meaningful, healthy, caring, and supportive relationships with good people in and out of recovery is essential for a sobriety that is truly satisfying, for a life that’s worth living. When we incorporate powerful and transformative connections to a power greater than ourselves we are able to supercharge our connectedness to others, as well as embrace the healing power embodied in the flora and fauna found in nature. We come to realize we all are inexorably connected to each other, to a power greater than all of us, and to nature – in fact we are one. We’ll dig deep into the how and why of it all; share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so listen up. Resources Mentioned in this Episode: Connection is the opposite of addiction Ted Talk: Relationship Quality Litmus Test: Additional Resources on Connection & Recovery: Brene Brown Podcast on Loneliness & Connection
May 17, 2020
Change & Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 189
This edition of The Way Out is all about change. At the center of the recovery journey is a transformational change that occurs within us that allows us to shed old, negative and self-defeating thoughts, beliefs, ideas, and most importantly behaviors and begin to replace them with those that are healthy, positive and aligned with who we yearn to be. A truth my dear, late member of my home 12-Step group was fond of goes “If you don’t change, your sobriety date will”. If we are to recover, instead of merely abstain, we must change. In the beginning we may change because we’re sick and tired of being sick and tired, or because the pain of staying the same become greater than the fear of change; or because if we don’t – we’ll die. Even in the most dire of circumstances; change is hard. It’s Messy – and it feels wrong. It’s supposed to feel foreign, like you’re wearing somebody else’s clothes or living someone else’s life – which in a way is true you’re living in the new you and it’s going to take a good while before that feels natural and integrated into the person you will become. We begin to learn, as we undergo our individual transformations; that the uncomfortable process of positive change is well worth the effort. In a very real sense can become change artists and begin to change things before we are in crisis; before the weight of some impending doom is upon us. We can choose positive and healthy change – in other words - we can chose to keep growing and thereby progressing in physical, spiritual, and emotional wellness journeys. To that end we’ve got an episode that’s jam packed with everything you need to know about change – that is; how to move through the ever so common fear of change; how to cope with changes that are beyond our control, and precisely how we can create meaningful, healthy changes in our own lives that are as positive as they are enduring, plus share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so Listen Up.
May 10, 2020
The March to Madness with Nelson Dacier | The Way Out Podcast Episode 188
This week we’ve got an absolutely delightful interview with the Author of the new book “The March to Madness”, Nelson Dacier. Nelson, now six years sober, shares his story; which was the inspiration for his book, with equal measures of humor, wisdom, and authenticity. We dig into his recovery journey, what it finally took to enter meaningful and long-term recovery, and his process in writing the tale of the debaucherous double life he led during active addiction, the unbelievable events that lead him to the literal brink of death, and what recovery looked like in the aftermath of the tumultuous saga that was his life prior to getting sober round about six years ago. This one’s got it all folks, so Listen Up. Reach out to Nelson: Book Recommendation: Drop the Rock
May 1, 2020
12 Steps of Healthy Love with Rachel Levy | The Way Out Podcast Episode 187
This week Jason’s got an absolutely terrific interview with transformational and Imago Relationship Therapist, Love Coach, and Licensed Mental Health Counselor, Rachel Levy. Rachel shares with us about her journey, her practice, and her creation; the 12 steps of Healthy Love. We learn about the 4 pillars of her recovery program that is designed to be accessible to all. Rachel shares her truth with us as well as an abundance of spiritual, emotional, and transformational wisdom, which is all centered in love. Get ready way out casters – Rachel is a total powerhouse - a modern-day sage who’s got insight and spiritual truth to spare and we’re about to dive headfirst into the deep well of a Bonafede love guru – so listen up. Rachel's song recommendations- Everything is Allanis Morissette's song defining what the Shadow is according to Debbie Ford’s definition:  our shadow is all of the qualities within us both Our Light and Our Dark.  Embracing our Shadow, every part of it, was inspired through Ford's shadow process. Allanis went through the coaching program and was a student of Debbie’s. This Grudge is a song of the long and pain filled journey of Forgiveness and needing to let go of the Grudges we hold onto to honor that those who wounded us were also there as fodder for our ultimate growth and who we are meant to become. Only if we do this sacred work of walking the conscious path seeking to heal and become whole.  Allanis has done this work ... Hence the line  in her song This Grudge:  “You’ve been vilified and used as fodder, you deserve a piece of every record" Recovery wisdom: "A miracle is a shift in perception, to see now what we couldn't see." ~A Course In Miracles Book Recommendations- The Best Year of Your Life- Debbie Ford The Dark Side of The Light Chasers- Debbie Ford The Artists Way- Julia Cameron Getting the Love You Want- Harville Hendrix ~~HEALTHY LOVE MEETING~~ The Healthy Love Meeting is every Thursday night at 9 p.m. Eastern time on Contact Rachel at: THE REGAL 550 11TH STREET SOUTH BEACH, FL 33139
April 26, 2020
Great Leaders Live Like Drug Addicts with Michael Brody-Waite | The Way Out Podcast Episode 186
This week we’ve got an interview that will push the limits on your conventional understanding of what it means when we hear the 12-Step vernacular around practicing the principles of recovery in all our affairs. Entrepreneur, writer, and public speaker Michael Brody-Waite contends far too many of us in recovery are likely, and unwittingly compartmentalizing the tremendous power, embodied in the 12-Steps, exclusively to our addictions all the while shielding the other parts of our lives that could be similarly transformed – if we only applied the very same principles of Recovery to other parts of our lives – namely our work lives. Michael and I discuss specifically what elements of Recovery can transform your work life and how to apply them and his new book – “Great Leaders Live Like Drug Addicts: How living like a drug addict will transform the way you lead yourself and others” all the while sprinkling in his recovery journey and the spiritual wisdom embodied within his 17 plus years of continuous Sobriety so listen up. Resources Mentioned in this Episode: Michael Brody-Waite: Books: Brene Brown: The Gifts of Imperfection Daring Greatly
April 20, 2020
Survivor's Guilt in Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 185
This week we’re addressing a topic that very likely affects many of us as we enter into recovery, and especially the longer we sustain our recovery. But before I introduce this week’s topic; I’d like to humbly invite anyone who’d like to hear my recovery story to join a weekly online Zoom speaker meeting at 8pm Central Time this Saturday the 18th of April. A dear friend of mine, Buddy C. asked if I would share my recovery story – and I was told under no uncertain terms very early in Recovery that when asked to be of service; we are obliged to do so given we have the ability. Check the show notes for the details on how to attend and I hope to see you all there! Now, back to this week’s topic. We’re talking about experiencing Survivor’s Guilt after someone close to us relapses or tragically dies as a result or consequence of their addiction and/or alcoholism. Greif is a complex, difficult, and often messy process that can be complicated by the emotions associated with Survivor’s Guilt. We may be plagued by questions like why me? Questions that stem from an unhealed part of ourselves desperately screaming to be mended. These emotions can often leave us feeling stuck; and be a counterproductive force in our recover journey. If you’re one of the many who’s struggled with the agony of Survivor’s Guilt, then this episode is for you. We’ll find out what Survivor’s guilt is, how it befalls us, and what precisely we can do about it to heal in order to overcome this unpleasant and unwelcome emotional distress so that we can really be there for those who are still with us, so Listen Up. Saturday Night AA Speaker Meeting: Open online AA Meeting every evening at 9 PM Eastern Topic Meeting Nightly with a different AA Speaker every Saturday Night ( Please log in early  to install Zoom software Access from any phone, PC, or iPad Meeting ID is 432316244 Go to (url goes directly to zoom link) to install software and access meeting. Will continue based on attendance.   Text and share with all your friends in recovery that may need a meeting!
April 13, 2020
This one's for the ladies (and gents) with Ashlee Herget | The Way Out Podcast Episode 184
This week Jason’s got an interview that all you ladies out there will especially relate to with Ashlee Herget. Don’t tune out just yet though gents; I related to Ashlee’s story in a way I didn’t expect and though I know I shouldn’t be surprised by now; the universal struggles that unite our collective experience as people in, or contemplating recovery show up early and often in Ashlee’s story. Just shy of 3 years clean and sober, Ashlee brings her story to us in a disarmingly frank and vulnerable retelling of her journey to recovery rife with fits of inadequacy; shame, family turmoil and knock down drag out bouts of addiction and alcoholism – all from the female perspective. So to all you ladies out there bringn’ your sober on the daily, this one’s for you and for every single one of us there’s a whole lot recovery wisdom and insight about to be heard regardless of what gender you happen to identify with so Listen Up. Book recommendations: Jesus Calling- by Sarah Young The Body Keeps the Score- by Bessel van de Kolk Best advice: "You hit the bottom when you stop digging" "Nothing is too damaged that recovery can't fix" Contact info
April 4, 2020
Surviving the Coronavirus Pandemic Sane & Sober | The Way Out Podcast Episode 183
We’re bringing you a special episode dedicated to helping you work your program of recovery and survive – nay – thrive in this unprecedented time of Pandemic Covid-19 sane and sober. For many of us we’re dealing with new fears we likely hadn’t even dreamt of just a couple of months ago, and major life changes are being thrust upon us in the form of our daily routines, work lives and home situations. Two mega triggers for recovering addicts and alcoholics – Fear and Change are flaring up for many of us big time right now. We may be feeling off kilter; and reeling from all of these sudden but necessary adjustments and we’re here to help. Working toward being spiritually, mentally and emotionally centered as well as physically healthy is the name of the game and we’ve got just what the Doctor ordered for you as we demystify why so many of us are feeling the way we are right now and give you sound, tried and true spiritually practical actions you can take, one day at a time, to get through the Coronavirus Winter feeling right as rain, so Listen Up. Online Meeting Resources: 9:00 pm Eastern Daily Meeting ID: 943 741 005 Password: fob 5:30 PM Eastern Daily  12:00 1pm Eastern Smart Recovery Online Meeting 10pm Eastern In the Rooms: AA: NA: Check your the websites of your local Alano or Intergroup for online meeting links and information Facebook group mentioned in this episode:
March 29, 2020
No Turning Back, Regardless with Lisa Daggs | The Way Out Podcast Episode 182
This week we’ve got an absolutely righteous interview with Singer, songwriter, producer, writer, and all-around dynamo Lisa Daggs. Along with her many and varied artistic talents, Lisa is a person in very long-term recovery, with over 30 years of continuous sobriety. Lisa’s journey to and through Recovery as told through her Book No Turning Back – Regardless is especially relatable and oozing with universal spiritual truth. We talk about the book, her path through addiction and alcoholism while trying to make it in the cut throat, take no prisoners, chew you up and spit you out music industry and what it took to Recover and live life on life’s terms as a sober Christian woman. So lend us your ears won’t you while Lisa spins yarns about days gone by and what life is like now living Sober, Joyous, and Free while we mix in a few handpicked originals by none other than Lisa Daggs. No doubt about it way out casters, you’re in for a special treat – so Listen Up. Original Tracks by Lisa Daggs Featured on this Episode (in order of appearance): Regardless I'm Still Dancin' Some Kind of Wonderful Links Mentioned in this Episode: Book Featured in this Episode: No Turning Back, Regardless
March 22, 2020
PRIDE in Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 181
This week Jason brings us the straight up compelling story of Kristin Massman. Kristin’s recovery story will grab you by throat and not let go until right up to the end. Kristin, an unabashed bi-sexual woman, now over 3 years sober, shares her at times heart wrenching and other times super relatable history in a truly authentic and vulnerable way. You will be captivated by the way her journey has led her from the proverbial gutter to self-discovery, self-acceptance, and her powerful ability to advocate for the development of a more inclusive culture in recovery and the community at large. One where everyone is welcomed, loved and accepted as they are. For all of us who know what it’s like to feel shame around who we truly are, and for all of us who have genuinely known the fear living our authentic selves, who know what it feels like to feel like an imposter in your own life, indeed for all of us who know all too well what it’s like to wrestle with addiction and alcoholism, this story is for you so Listen Up. These are the nonprofits that Kristin works with: Recommendations: · To work ANY 12 Step program · Therapy (EMDR, Behavioral) · Parenting classes · Writing · Speaking (tell your story) · Fun sober activities · Exercise · Assume best intent!! (when communicating with others)
March 15, 2020
All You Need is Less - Peter S | The Way Out Podcast Episode 180
This week we’ll hear co-host extraordinaire Jason interview our good friend Peter S, who candidly shares his Recovery story. Peter’s called in to the show a time or three and brings unbridled honesty and spiritual truth every time. Ultimately his is a story of love, loss and redemption, Peter’s remarkably poignant story is rife with pain and anguish as a once promising career in the Wine industry complete with six figures, a beautiful fiancé and all the trappings was ultimately swallowed up by alcoholism and addiction, leaving him literally jobless, penniless, homeless, and alone. We all know better than to think that’s where Peter’s story ends, don’t we? Fact is, in more than a few ways it is truly where his Recovery story begins. I’m telling you all, this story is candid, raw, and seriously compelling and the wisdom and spiritual truth embodied herein is truly palpable, so Listen Up. Book: Varieties of Religious Experiences-William James Recovery Resources: Opportunities for Change program by the MN Dept. of Corrections Minnesota Recovery Connection Recovree Minnesota Recovery corps 2218 Alano Club
March 9, 2020
Neil the Alcoholic | The Way Out Podcast Episode 179
This week we’ve got an outrageously entertaining and wide ranging interview with none other than Neil the Alcoholic. We full on embraced the tangential nature of my guest, in full realization that any attempt to confine him would only serve to douse his innate ability to tell one hell of a story, of which this episode is chalked full. Neil’s been sober a whole long time, and he’s a walking encyclopedia of historical knowledge of maybe everything ever. We travel near and far geographically and otherwise in what is without question one of the most unique and personally amusing interviews I have done to date, and you won’t want to miss a second so Listen Up.
March 1, 2020
Boston Mike | The Way Out Podcast Episode 178
This week Jason’s got an incredibly relatable, entertaining and enlightening interview with our good friend, Boston Mike. Mike’s been sober since 2012 and is a tremendous advocate 12 Step Recovery – and for good reason – it’s given him more than he could have imagined. Mike spent some time here in the Twin Cities Recovery community; and we became fast friends as kindred spirits are apt to do. We had him in studio over a year ago and due to an unfortunate technical snafu that interview never left the 4 walls of the Way Out Podcast studios. Mike shares his recovery journey with us, how he’s helping others, and what life is like as a working actor and musician in the greater Boston area. This interview is no mere redo, my friends, no it’s a bonafide original much like our Friend, Boston Mike so Listen Up. -Contact info if anyone wants to reach out to Mike -Book Recommendations: The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous Men's guide to recovery Little Red Book -Best piece of advice: Get connected to your local recovery community -if anyone wants to check out some of his work Current projects: -Code 13: Unbreakable (miniseries) -RealiTV (short film) -I Care Alot (short film) -Defending Jacob (AppleTV series)
February 23, 2020
Alan S. is the SMART 12 Stepper | The Way Out Podcast Episode 177
This week I’m grateful and humbled to bring you the remarkable and unique Recovery story of Alan S. I was immediately drawn to Alan as he works both the 12-Steps and the program of SMART Recovery, which complement each other quite nicely. Alan’s story is a case in point in why we continue to bring you personal stories of recovery from alcoholism and addiction. This journey to and through alcoholism isn’t one marked by early childhood trauma, adverse childhood experiences, or early abuse of drugs and alcohol. Alan was the quintessential nerd way before it became a cool nerd culture thing right through college, earning high marks and staying far away from any kind of trouble. But as you’ll soon learn, there’s many paths to alcoholism and addiction, and more than one Way Out so Listen Up. Links related to Alan’s Story:
February 18, 2020
Darren Littlejohn is The 12-Step Buddhist | The Way Out Podcast Episode 176
This week we’ve got an interview for the ages with Darren Littlejohn, the author of the 12-Step Buddhist. Darren takes us on an often wild, sometimes humorous, and incredibly enlightening ride as he waxes poetic on 12-Step Recovery, the value of integrating Buddhist practices into our recoveries, all the while sprinkling in his 20+ years of experience, strength, and hope earned along the way of his Recovery journey. Darren conjures up absolute magic when we gave him the opportunity to stream his spiritual consciousness with us. We found spiritual truth galore and a whole heck of a lot more as we explored the miraculous mind of the 12-Step Buddhist so Listen Up. ACE Score Test: Spiritual Practice Recommendations: 5 Minutes of Meditation in AM Write down experiences around it for 30 Days Put your hand on your heart and: Look at the other person and say "me too" because we all suffer Tell yourself what you want to hear most Watch your breath Books reccomended in this Podcast The body keeps the score A New Pair of Glasses The 12-Step Buddhist:
February 10, 2020
Dennis Rosenfeld is Reborn SMART & Sober | The Way Out Podcast Episode 175
This week we’ve got a special episode as a part of our commitment to exploring and illuminating alternative pathways to sobriety and Recovery. Dennis Rosenfeld is the facilitator in chief of SMART Recovery’s online meeting program, and he joins us to help introduce us to SMART Recovery, often referenced as one of the most popular alternatives to the 12-Step Method that is so near and dear to my heart. We explore what SMART Recovery is, and perhaps more importantly, what SMART Recovery isn’t. We’ll also explore some of the tools of this program, tackle common questions folks new to this program might have, as well as how to begin working SMART Recovery and how to attend meetings. We cover a lot of ground with Dennis, and yet only just scratched the surface so be sure to check the show notes for a slew of links to help you get SMART. No doubt the best part of all is how throughout the interview Dennis shares how he was reborn SMART & Sober, so Listen Up. SMART Links: Meeting Finder: SMART Tools not mentioned in the episode: Meetings also available for Eating Disorders, Sexual Maladaptive Behaviors, SMART Intro Meetings, Tool Time Meetings, and an ultra-confidential meeting for Medical and Mental Health Providers. Book Mentioned in this episode: Sober for Good
February 2, 2020
Self-Love & Care Vs Selfishness | The Way Out Podcast Episode 174
This week we’re setting the record straight on an often misunderstood concept in Recovery: the differences between Self Care & Love versus Selfishness and self-centeredness. These concepts may sound similar, but as we’ll learn and unpack in this episode, they are in fact quite the opposite of each other in important ways. We’ll learn what Self Love & Self Care are, what selfishness is and what they look like when they are present in our lives and we’ll discover how to tell if our actions are out of Self Love or if they’ve crossed over into selfishness. Lastly, we’ll gain helpful insight into why self-love and care are so important and how our lives improve when we engage in these love centric activities. Plus, we’ll share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so Listen Up.
January 28, 2020
Ego in Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 173
This week is all about ourselves. Ehem. Well, to be precise, it’s all about self, which is to say our Egos. Ego is central to who we are as individuals and is the lens in which we view ourselves, others, and the outside world through. The state of our Egos has a whole lot to do with how we treat ourselves and others, and when our Egos are out of whack, our sobriety is too. We’ll do our level best to define Ego and how it affects us in Recovery without going into the proverbial weeds or going down too many rabbit holes, which when we’re talking about a subject such as Ego is certainly easier said than done. We’ll provide you with helpful insight and strategies to keep the ‘ol Ego your Amigo and ensure it doesn’t get to high or too low. Plus we’ll share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls, so Listen Up. Book Mentioned in this Episode: A Course in Miracles: Sober Meditations: Tao of Our Understanding:
January 20, 2020
Parenting in Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 172
This week we’re addressing an aspect of recovery, while incredibly important and impactful to many of us in or contemplating recovery, is often overlooked. There’s oodles of information about parenting in general, and some of that is quite applicable, but very little in the way of the unique challenges those of us in Recovery face. We’ll identify the key issues parents in recovery face, how we can overcome them successfully, and how we can use the tools of recovery to become more present, understanding and consistent with our children. Both Jason and I are Parents in Recovery and I assure you we’re not sugar coating the challenges we face as traverse the often-difficult dynamics that present themselves on the daily as recovering parents. As I often say, life has a habit of getting lifey and the parent child relationship is no exception to that rule. Plus we’ll share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls so Listen Up. Book Mentioned in this Episode:
January 14, 2020
Goals in Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 171
This week’s edition of The Way Out Podcast is all about goals. Round about this time a year, losta folks are starting to implement their goals for the upcoming year, which makes it an ideal time to bring you an informative and enlightening discussion on goals as they specifically relate to recovery and folks like us who are in or contemplating recovery. We’ll discuss why goals are so important and beneficial, how we can set and achieve long term goals if we’re living a one day at a time sober lifestyle, and perhaps most important how to set goals that are actually achievable and actually improve your overall well being and quality of life. Plus we’ll share oodles of feedback from the Sober and Serious community, so Listen Up.
January 7, 2020
Jackie LeClair - Healing Through Prayer | The Way Out Podcast Episode 170
This week Jason’s got a killer interview for us with Jackie LeClair. Jackie’s journey to long term recovery is rife with adversity including sexual abuse and growing up in the projects on the north side of Minneapolis in an often unstable and largely unsafe home environment, which then led into prostitution and ultimately prison . Jackie’s story, at it’s core is one of victory through hardship and true redemption in it’s purest form. Jackie’s journey to now over 11 years clean and sober is at once heart wrenching and inspiring, one of both tragedy and triumph and you won’t want to miss a minute so Listen Up. Article Mentioned in Episode: Grace Recovery: Book Recommendation: A Woman’s Way Through the Twelve Steps
December 31, 2019
The Art of Handling Mistakes in Recovery | The Way Out Podcast Episode 169
This week we’re going to help you better understand the art of handling mistakes in Recovery. There are many quotes extolling the virtues around mistake making, some helpful & some not so much however Alexander Pope perhaps said it best in 1711 when he wrote, To err is human. Mistakes, or if we break apart that word into two separate parts; Mis Takes are fundamental to the human experience, yet so many of us fall into self-defeating, counter-productive, serenity smashing thought and behavior patterns both immediately after and long after we make them, no matter how big or small they are. Post mistake self-recriminations, ruminations, and second guessing may result in self-inflicted misery and a self-fulfilling lack of confidence in future endeavors. If you want to break out of this negative and painful feedback loop and be free of the prison of the mind these thoughts and behaviors create and instead spend more time being really present in the current moment in what’s happening right now then you’re gonna really dig this episode folks. We’re going to give you real practical tips and sage spiritual truth that will indeed be the antidote for what’s ailing you, plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take a bunch of your calls so Listen Up!
December 23, 2019
Don M - Feelings are NOT Reality | The Way Out Podcast Episode 168
This week I’m sharing an AA Speaker Tape with you, which kind of reminds me of sharing mixed tapes back in the day. How’s that for a frontal display of my old age? I’m not sharing just any ‘ol speaker tape, no I’m sharing one of my most beloved 12 Step talks of all time. One of the most important and impactful truths I learned and have implemented in my recovery is that I don’t have to act the way I feel, or as the co-host Jason puts it, feelings aren’t facts. Don M from Kentucky talks about emotions and how they ruled his life prior to implementing the spiritual practices of 12 Step recovery. This talk, dubbed “Feelings are NOT reality” strikes at the very core of what alcoholism and addiction are in my experience, and Don does a masterful job at laying out the kit of spiritual tools that are indeed the solution to our common problem. The only thing better than his accent is his experience, strength, and hope so Listen Up.
December 16, 2019
Protecting Your Recovery During the Holidays - The Way Out Podcast Episode 167
This week we’ve got a timely episode in store for you on Navigating the Holidays in Recovery. The Holidays can be an especially stressful time charged with difficult emotions and fraught with potentially difficult and risky situations we may not have faced in Recovery. Fear not my faithful friends in Recovery, we’ve got just the thing for you this Holiday with special Holiday edition jam packed and busting at the seams with helpful insights and 12 Tips to Stay clean, sober, joyful and Serene all throughout and after this magical time of year. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious Community and take your calls, so Listen Up! Sobriety Reset for Women:
December 9, 2019
A.A. Rule Number 62 | Don't Take Yourself Too....Seriously - The Way Out Podcast Episode 166
This week we’re talking all about Rule #62 of the 12-Step program Alcoholics Anonymous – Don’t take yourself so damn seriously. On the surface, this seems a rather simple and straightforward concept, however on further review; questions likely arise that don’t appear to have an easy answer like What does it mean to not take ourselves too seriously? How serious is too serious? Isn’t Sobriety and Recovery, at its core a serious and often life or death endeavor? How do we avoid taking ourselves so seriously and what recovery tools can we use in our efforts? We’ll answer all of these questions, share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls, so without further ado we give your our episode on Rule 62. Listen up. Ted Talk Referenced On This Episode:
December 2, 2019
Addressing the Unofficial 13th Step - The Way Out Podcast Episode 165
This week we’re taking controversy head on as we dedicate an entire episode to the oft discussed, mostly misunderstood and definitely unofficial Step 13. Nary a topic in Recovery invites more heated discussion and debate than that of Step 13. Folks in 12 Step recovery accuse one another of it, make light of it, and indeed engage in this type of behavior which can have detrimental and even severe and irreparable consequences to the targets of this sometimes harassing and predatory conduct. We ain’t gonna run from discussing this hot button issue, nor are we going to invoke recovery literature to justify the occurrence of this behavior in 12 Step recovery rooms and clubs. We’ll discuss the risks of this behavior, and they can be grave, what you can do to protect yourself, whether you’re a guy or gal, and what you can do to avoid engaging in it yourself, hint – it has a lot to do with practicing the principles of the 12 Steps and in the meantime we’ll be sharing all sorts of spirited feedback from the Sober & Serious community so Listen up. Fourth Step Worksheet:
November 25, 2019
12 Step Series | Step 12 - The Way Out Podcast Episode 164
This week we’re concluding our series on the 12 Steps with none other than the namesake of the program, Step 12. There’s a whole lot to unpack in this Step from getting our collective heads around what a spiritual awakening is, to how to carry the message, and perhaps the most daunting directive of all – applying all of the principles of the previous 11 Steps in all facets of our lives. This Step is the coup d'etat, the culmination of all the work we’ve done up to this point, and now we can be agents of good, agents of hope, and ultimately agents of change for those still suffering, those contemplating recovery, and those new or struggling in Recovery. There are many ways to have a spiritual awakening, countless ways to be of service and carry the message of recovery, and endless opportunities to apply the principles of the 12 Steps in our daily lives. In short, Step 12 isn’t the end of our work in 12 Step Recovery, no my brothers and sisters it’s quite literally just the beginning. Have no fear though, we’ll take you through what Step 12 is, how and why we work it, and what we can expect as we implement Step 12 into our life and program of recovery, so Listen Up.
November 19, 2019
12 Step Series | Step 11 - The Way Out Podcast Episode 163
This week we’re driving toward the conclusion of our series on the 12 Steps with our focus turned singularly on Step 11. Much seems to be asked of us in this particular Step, and many whom first encounter it may indeed feel initially overwhelmed and ill equipped to undertake what appears to be an endeavor reserved strictly for high priests, monks and nuns. Thankfully, this most assuredly is not the case. We’re simply attempting, on a daily basis, to become more spiritually aware and connected through intentional acts as we are increasingly able to perform. This comes in more traditional methods like morning and evening prayer, set meditation times, and spiritual reading to less conventional activities like Yoga or breath practices. These activities for all that can and has been said about spiritual practices are essentially intended to allow us to get to the core of our spiritual truths. Are we going to spend our moments, hours, days, and years acting more out of fear and all of it’s manifestations? Or are we going to spend these moments, these hours, these days, and yes these years acting out of love, the truest manifestation of the will of the God of Our Understanding. The answer to that, lies in how often we are willing to mindfully and intentionally do the work that is embodied in Step 11. This episode, in turn, will give you a sound understanding of what this Step is, how to work it, and what we can expect once we begin to integrate this practice in our own lives, so Listen Up.  Step 11 Meditation Worksheets
November 12, 2019
Joshua Shea and The Hidden Addiction - The Way Out Podcast Episode 162
This week we’re interviewing Joshua Shea and we’re talking about a subject that is cloaked in shame and marred by a social stigma reminiscent of the leapers of bygone millennia. Joshua Shea is a recovering pornography addict, recovering alcoholic and author. Joshua has appeared on over 50 podcasts, television and radio shows using his personal story to promote the ideas that porn addiction spans all demographics and those with a problem should seek help before it’s too late, as it became in his case. While drug addiction and alcoholism no doubt are still battling the bad rap of social stigma to some extent, Pornography and Sex addiction is the Secret affliction hardly a soul will speak of. Despite this deafening silence, porn and sex has never been more accessible. Alarming as it is, 35% of internet downloads are pornographic. 40 million Americans say they regularly visit porn sites and on third of all internet porn users are women. As a consequence, as much as 8% of the population admits to having a sex related addiction and the actual number is likely much higher than that. You’ll find Joshua’s honesty at once disarming and on point, realizing that though the externalities of porn and sex addiction are rather distinct, the underlying causes and conditions are quite universal. There’s little doubt you’ll take a whole lot away from this remarkable interview, so Listen Up. Books by Joshua Shea The Addiction Nobody Will Talk About: How I Let My Pornography Addiction Hurt People and Destroy Relationships He’s a Porn Addict…Now What? will be released in late 2019
November 2, 2019
Mark Scheeren and The Freedom Model - The Way Out Podcast Episode 161
This week we’ve got a very different perspective on Addiction & Recovery in an interview with Mark Scheeren. Mark is the co-author of The Freedom Model of Addiction, the first non  12 Step methodology to treat addiction and alcoholism. A word of caution; this approach may sound like heresy to 12 Step enthusiasts and advocates and to some extent it very well may be. Indeed I count myself as a strong advocate for the benefits of 12-Step Recovery. Our philosophy on this program is to bring you a wide variety of views, approaches, and experiences on and around Addiction and Recovery. To invoke a 12 Step slogan, take what you want and leave the rest. That said, I encourage you to keep a very instructive quote from the book Alcoholics Anonymous close to your heart as you listen to this interview “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is contempt prior to investigation”. Mark’s primary message is one of personal empowerment, free will, the power of positive motivation, and ultimately making the case that there’s more than one way to treat alcoholism and addiction. Listen Up. The Freedom Model: Book: The Freedom Model for Addictions: Escape the Treatment and Recovery Trap Chinese Proverb Featured in the Interview: Be careful of your thoughts, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful of your words, for your words become your actions. Be careful of your actions, for your actions become your habits. Be careful of your habits, for your habits become your character. Be careful of your character, for your character becomes your destiny.
October 25, 2019
Jeremiah Campbell is Destined to Be - The Way Out Podcast Episode 160
This week we’re bringing you a captivating discussion with Jeremiah Campbell. Jeremiah is many things; an entrepreneur, Father, Husband, volunteer, and indeed a person on long term recovery from alcoholism and addiction. Jeremiah’s anything but picture-perfect trek to Recovery is at once enlightening and inspirational.  You’ll no doubt be doing so much head-nodding as you relate to his experience, you’ll look like a baseball game giveaway bobble-head if you’re careful. Jeremiah tells us we’re all destined to be great in only the way we can each be, so long as we’re able to get out of the way and let a power greater unlock our potential. This interview is jam-packed with spiritual and recovery goodness, so Listen Up! Jeremiah's Recommendations: Meditations | Guided Dr. Joe Dispenza (Muse headband) Books | Traction for business | 4 agreements |  Becoming supernatural | Millionaire success habits (4.0)
October 18, 2019
Jeff Powell | $200 and a Dream - The Way Out Podcast Episode 159
This week Jason brings us a powerful & insightful interview with Jeff Powell. Jeff’s story will bring you to the depths of addiction, and the stark reality of what it’s like to battle addiction in the unfriendly environs of the streets of Chicago, to the deceptively unforgiving suburbs of Minneapolis & St. Paul. Jeff’s unadulterated honesty and candor reveal that one can indeed go through the proverbial wringer, and then come out the other side to live a rewarding life of Recovery.  You’ll find spiritual truth and Recovery wisdom all throughout this amazing story of Recovery, so buckle up get ready to Listen Up. Book recommendation: Filter Shift: How Effective People See The World by Sara Taylor App Recommendation:  Fearless Motivation - Motivational speeches and interviews for free to listen to.
October 14, 2019
12 Step Series | Step 10 - The Way Out Podcast Episode 158
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps with our focus now turning squarely to Step 10. In many ways, this Step is the litmus test in identifying if we’re truly willing to put the principles of the 12 Steps to daily, continual practice within ourselves and those around us. Are we willing to take a regular self-inventory? Are we willing to take responsibility for our actions no matter what the circumstances are? Perseverance is the underlying principle at work here, and it is an indispensable asset to making good on the directive of Step 10. A regular Step 10 worked well is well worth the effort and will pay handsome dividends to the quality of your recovery. We’ll get you up to speed on exactly what Step 10 is, why we work it, how we work it, and what we can expect as a result of this vital Step, plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls. Listen Up. 10th Step Worksheets:
October 8, 2019
Eric Zimmer | The One You Feed - The Way Out Podcast Episode 157
This week we’ve got a very special interview for you with Eric Zimmer, a person in long term recovery from alcoholism and addiction as well as the Host and Co-Founder of The One You Feed Podcast. The namesake of the aforementioned podcast comes from a Cherokee Parable. The parable, for those of you whom are unfamiliar, goes as follows. An old Cherokee chief was teaching his grandson about life... "A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. "One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt, and ego. "The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. "This same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too." The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?" The old chief simply replied, "The one you feed." Eric’s far from idyllic journey to recovery is chalked full of spiritual truth and down-right useful wisdom stemming from not only his own personal experience, but that of nearly 300 interviews of folks across the recovery and spiritual spectrum. This episode is brimming with value to you, whether you’re contemplating recovery, new to recovery, or a recovery veteran. Listen Up. Check out The One You Feed here: Eric's Book Recommendation: When Things Fall Apart by Pema Chödrön
September 30, 2019
What Recovery Sounds Like | MN Walk for Recovery 2019 - The Way Out Podcast Episode 156
Along with Jason and count ‘em 31 special guests, I’m Charlie and this week we have an incredibly special episode in store for you. Jason and I were humbled to be a part of an extraordinary event a short time ago, the 9th annual Walk for Recovery which is organized by Minnesota Recovery Connection – a non-profit organization committed to building recovery capital in individuals, families, and communities in the greater Twin Cities Metropolitan Area. Jason and I took to the streets of the capitol grounds in Saint Paul, MN to ask folks whom attended this Recovery Extravaganza some questions about why they showed up and what recovery means to them. What we got back was  overwhelming and striking themes of connection, unity, hope, and a universal penchant to smash the Stigma of being a person in long term recovery from alcoholism and addiction. So without further ado, I give you What Recovery Sounds like courtesy of Alisha, Andrea, Brandon, Christine, Christopher, Crystal, Grace, James, Jennifer, Jeremy, John, Josh, Kristyn, Matt, Pam, Rick, Vicki, Brian, Corey, Karen, Keith, Kevin, Mary, Melinda, Michael, Micky, Nina, Roy, Sara, Wendy, and last but certainly not least, Wes. Listen Up.
September 23, 2019
12 Step Series | Step 9 - The Way Out Podcast Episode 155
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps with a singular focus on Step 9. There’s plenty of reason why Step 9 occurs in the 12 Steps in the order it does. We’re attempting to straighten out our relationships with others, many of whom we’ve hurt, some in the most damaging of ways. Fear is a likely companion when facing these often daunting amends; but if we follow the simple instructions we will indeed be amazed before we are half-way through this process. We share with you, what Step 9 is, our purpose in working it, how we work it, and reveal that on the other side, a freedom unlike we’ve ever experienced awaits us. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls, so Listen Up.
September 17, 2019
12 Step Series | Step 8 - The Way Out Podcast Episode 154
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps and turning our focus squarely on Step 8. Step 8 is simple; make a list of folks we wronged and become willing to make it right – but for many of us spiritual work, even if it’s simple, just ain’t easy. The reality is; when emotions like fear, anger, resentment, and righteous indignation get stirred up when we think of some of these individuals that have made our list, things get real complicated, right quick. We’ll walk through what Step 8 consists of, our purpose in working it, how we work this Step, and what we can expect when we’ve completed our Step 8 work. We even tackle the hotly and often debated issue of whether we should or shouldn’t put our own names on that Step 8 list. Plus, we’ll share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls, so Listen Up.
September 10, 2019
Sugar-Free with Mike Collins - The Way Out Podcast Episode 153
This week The Way Out Podcast is going Sugar-Free with Mike Collins – Founder of and chairman of Food Addiction Institute. Mike is in long-term recovery from addiction and alcoholism; 34 years long and 30 of those years have been free from both caffeine and sugar. Mike shares why eliminating sugar and caffeine was a part of his journey and we discover how much both of these substances have in common with drugs and alcohol. Spoiler alert; our relationships to sugar, caffeine, and even food can and indeed may mirror our relationships to drugs and alcohol in active addiction. I implore you to bring honesty, open-mindedness, and willingness along with you as you take this episode in, and truly allow yourself to discover and uncover your own relationship with these substances. I can attest that I cannot deny that I still am guilty of slamming my dopamine receptors with caffeine all morning and sugar in the afternoon – and there’s a likely a reckoning coming my way sooner rather than later. My discussion with Mike, his journey to a drug, alcohol, and sugar-free lifestyle is worth every second of your attention – so Listen Up. Contact Mike:
September 2, 2019
Jacob Jones is Recovered - The Way Out Podcast Episode 152
This week we’ve got a very special interview with Jacob Jones, the Author of Recovered and a person in long term recovery from addiction. Jacob shared his story, which is the inspiration behind his book, with my fellow co-host Jason and you’ll be immediately drawn to Jacob’s disarming candor and unabashed authenticity as he shares his battle with opiate addiction and subsequent recovery and what motivated him to put pen to paper to share his journey to recovery – that he may help someone else who is struggling with or cares about some who is struggling with the addiction and abuse of substances. Jacob’s story has it all, and you won’t regret a minute of it, so Listen Up. Get Jacob's Book Here!
August 27, 2019
12 Step Series | Step 7 - The Way Out Podcast Episode 151
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps with a seriously righteous breakdown of the 7th Step. Simple in it’s phraseology, the 7th Step represents a crucial “First” in our working of the 12 Steps. It’s the first time we’re making an ask of our higher power we connected with in Steps 2 & 3 and utilized in 4, 5, and 6. Step 7 centers around a key and fundamental element of all 12 Steps, indeed, around spiritual development as a whole – Humility. This virtue gets a bad wrap in this day and age, largely because it’s often confused with thinking less of ourselves when in reality humility in practice really means thinking of our selves LESS. We’ll illuminate why Step 7 is so vital, what working this step looks like in practice, and what we can expect after working this crucial Step. Plus, we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community, take your calls, and share an email from one of our loyal listeners, so Listen Up.  Step 7 Literature we discussed: What's So Amazing About Grace by Philip Yancey  The Tao te Ching  The Bible The Recovery Bible Drop the Rock The Ripple Effect 12 Steps & 12 Traditions (audio book available on Eight Mindful Steps to Happiness: Walking the Path of the Buddha  A Course in Miracles The Road Less Traveled A New Earth The Power of Now Sermon on the Mount Bottles and Barstools Language of the Heart One Breath at a time: Buddhism and the 12 Steps
August 20, 2019
Celebrating 150 Shows! - The Way Out Podcast Episode 150
This week we’re taking a moment to celebrate our 150th episode of The Way Out Podcast. We reflect on why this amazing project got started, what continues to drive and inspire us, and what we we’re seeking to accomplish when we bring you powerful recovery stories and recovery power topics in a weekly downloadable format. The simple truth is we’re simply a couple of folks in long term recovery who love to talk recovery and help others to find and enhance their own recovery in the process. We do this because we genuinely like it, and we super like helping others find their own Way Out of addiction and alcoholism, because you deserve the days you have left in this planet filled with the peace, love, and joy that can only come from an examined, purposeful, and spiritual way of life. Plus, Jason takes time to share a recovery related experience we can all learn a whole lot from so Listen Up.
August 14, 2019
JF Benoist | Silence the Monkey Mind - The Way Out Podcast Episode 149
This week we’re stepping away from our series on the 12 Steps to bring you a refreshingly different perspective on Recovery through a truly compelling interview with JF Benoist, Author of “Addicted to the Monkey Mind – Change the Programming That Sabotages Your Life”. JF and I explore what the “Monkey Mind” is, why so many of us reside in this state of mind as often as we do; and how we can transform our minds and bodies in unison to a persistent state of awareness, what Benoist calls the “Observing Mind”. We highlight parallels to 12-Step recovery and call out some key departures along the way. This interview will indeed enlighten and engage you, perhaps in a way that you’ve never experienced, until now. Listen Up. 
August 5, 2019
12 Step Series | Step 6 - The Way Out Podcast Episode 148
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps by breaking down the often overlooked Step 6. Step 6 is in part a preparation Step, and because we addicts and alcoholics are a stubborn lot, a quite necessary one at that. We must prepare before we can take transformative actions. The balance of this Step is all about the spiritual practice of acceptance and humility. This episode will prepare you to take this Step by bringing clarity to what Step 6 is, why we do it, how we work it in practice, and what we can expect after we take this vital Step. Plus we share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls. Listen Up.  Sixth Step Prayer: Dear God, I am ready for Your help In removing from me the defects of character Which I now realize are an obstacle to my recovery.Help me to continue being honest with myself & Guide me toward spiritual & mental health. 6th STEP:  God help me become willing to let go of all the things to which I still cling. Help me to be ready to let youremove all of these defects, that yourwill and purpose may take their place. AMEN(p. 76 BB) A 6th Step prayer: God, Thank you for removing my fear and for showing me the truth about myself. Father, I need your help to become willing to let go of the things in me which continue to block me off from you. Please grant me you’re Grace Lord and make me willing to have these objectionable characteristics, defects and shortcomings removed. (76:1) 
July 30, 2019
12 Step Series | Step 5 - The Way Out Podcast Episode 147
We’re talking all about perhaps the most feared Step of all 12 we work in 12-Step recovery. Nary a soul that has ever been in existence has had an overwhelming desire and willingness to reveal not only our past transgressions and wrongs, but quite literally the worst of themselves to their higher power, themselves and another human being. Many of us have gone to great lengths to tuck our darker selves far far away so we didn’t have to look at it and so others wouldn’t see it. Step 5 is a spiritual housecleaning; allowing us to rejoin humanity in a way we’ve never been able to prior to working this vital step. You’ll walk out of this episode with a clear and deeper understanding of what Step 5 is, the purpose of working this step, and what we can expect during and after we work this all important step. Plus we share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls, so Listen Up! 
July 22, 2019
Casey Ryan | Taking Risks in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 146
This week we have two firsts in the History of The Way Out Podcast. Co-host Jason did his first ever solo interview with first time guest Casey Ryan. Casey relates her journey to long term recovery with an easy transparency and brings forth an near endless supply of spiritual truth & recovery wisdom along the way. Casey grew up torn between two worlds, leaving her doubting her own self-worth before finding herself in the throws of alcoholism and addiction. Her story will have you alternately relating, laughing, and ultimately leaving you inspired to take more meaningfully positive risks in your own recovery journey. I just have to say, this quite likely isn’t the last your gonna hear from this absolute dynamo of a woman on this podcast. Now without further ado, here’s Jason’s interview with Casey Ryan. Listen Up. Casey Ryan Life & Recovery Coaching:
July 14, 2019
12 Step Series | Step 4 - The Way Out Pocast Episode 145
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps. We’re taking on perhaps the most feared, conceivably the most misunderstood, and quite likely the most practically useful Step of the 12 that make up the 12 Step Recovery Program. We’ll discuss in simple terms what the purpose of Step 4 is, how to work this crucial step, and what you can expect after completing this all-important self-inventory process. Plus, we share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls. Listen Up. Reach out to Andrew:  AndrewBuzzkill  - Instagram ajaxbuzkill - Snapchat Step 4 Worksheet:
July 9, 2019
12 Step Series | Step 3 - The Way Out Podcast Episode 144
This week we’re continuing our series on the 12 Steps with our focus turning squarely to Step 3. Step 3 is the point in the 12 Steps in which we make a fateful decision that will be quickly followed by a series of actions specifically designed and purpose intended to produce a profound change that brings about our recovery from addiction and alcoholism. However we arrive at the decision, whether through introspective analysis on our past way of living or because we’ve seen others work the Steps and Recover – or both; the decision itself remains the same for all. Are we going to keep on living the old way, relying on our finite selves?  Or are we going to try something new and start living according to a power greater; perhaps an infinite power to aid us in our transformation from sick and addicted to recovered and free. We’ll discuss in much greater detail why this step is so crucial to lasting and meaningful recovery, how to work this step and what Step 3 looked like for each of us. Plus we share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls. Listen Up. Step 3 Worksheets:
July 2, 2019
Timothy C | Love Heals the Deepest Wounds - The Way Out Podcast Episode 143
We have a recovery story for the ages to share with you this week. From a wicked bad childhood riddled with abuse and abject abandonment to a binge drinking young man with a penchant for Grand Theft Auto, Timothy quite literally endured jails, institutions, and after one alcohol fueled nightmare wished for death due to the grave and eternal consequences that resulted. At it’s core, this story teaches us that redemption is possible no matter how far down the scale we have gone, and that each and every one of us has a greater calling and purpose - if we’re open and willing to receive it. Without further ado, I give you Timothy’s story in complete and uninterrupted fashion. Listen Up.
June 25, 2019
Arlina | ODAAT Chat - The Way Out Podcast Episode 142
This week we’ve got an incredible interview on tap for you with Arlina – host and founder of the ODAAT Chat Podcast and the brains behind Arlina is a 12 Step recovery powerhouse and her incredible Recovery journey is nothing short of pure inspiration. Arlina’s story is a case study in why we don’t have to use or drink for decades to be a certified Alcoholic or Addict and a model for what long term recovery can look like. Listen Up.   Listen to the ODAAT Chat Here: Find the Sober Life School here: Find the 5 Minute Journal here: 
June 19, 2019
12 Step Series | Step Two - The Way Out Podcast Episode 141
This week is all about Step 2 as we continue our series on the 12 Steps. We break down in practical terms what Step 2 means and how to work what can seem to be an impossibly abstract spiritual concept. Plus we share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls. Listen Up.
June 11, 2019
12 Step Series | Step One - The Way Out Podcast Episode 140
This week we’re beginning our series on the 12 Steps. We begin, naturally, with Step One which reads “We Admitted We Were Powerless Over Alcohol, that our Lives Had Become Unmanageable”. Critical to overcoming any problem is recognizing & accepting there is a problem in the first place. Step one at it’s very core, is a surrender to our powerlessness and the unmanageability that manifests in our lives as a result. We’ll unpack the key elements of understanding what Step One means, what causes our powerlessness and unmanageability, and practical ways we can work Step One in our own recoveries. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious Community and take your calls. Listen Up. Step One Worksheet:
June 3, 2019
Action in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 139
This week we’re discussing action -  the chief activator of Recovery and the gifts that come to us as a result of the activities we carry out in our programs of recovery and on a daily basis. Action is more important that desire, willingness, and knowledge combined. The truth is, willingness is extremely helpful but not required to recover. The reality is knowledge is beneficial, but not necessary in order to achieve recovery. Right action is the central ingredient in attaining meaningful and continuous recovery. We can’t think our way into right living. We must act our way into right thinking. That’s the central truth of the solution to our core problem – we must continue to carry out the actions in order to attain and sustain a spiritual experience sufficient enough to arrest our disease – or if you will our spiritual malady. We discuss in clear terms why action is so critical, what actions activate recovery, as well as the daily actions necessary to maintain our spiritual fitness and as a result our recoveries. Plus we share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls. Listen Up. 
May 27, 2019
Vulnerability in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 138
This week we’re examining a rarely explored and often overlooked aspect of a whole and complete recovery. Vulnerability, and our ability to embrace this in our own lives, is at the foundation of our ability to be willing to do the necessary work, take the necessary steps, in order to truly recover from our disease of addiction and/or alcoholism. To the extent we can recognize, acknowledge, and indeed embrace the most broken parts of ourselves and then show them to the world so that we may tap into a until then untapped resources of community and spirituality, is the extent that we will recover completely. When we walk through the fear, backed by our newly found community and spiritual power, we come to know a new freedom and a new happiness as Bill W. wrote. So we invite you to talk a walk with us, right now, as we examine and explore how embracing vulnerability could very well be the key that unlocks your recovery. Plus we share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls. Listen up. Click here for the documentary on Co-host Jason! 
May 20, 2019
Asking for Help - The Way Out Podcast Episode 137
This week we’re peeling the curtain back on the act of Asking for Help. Asking for help in life and especially in Recovery can be one of the difficult tasks we perform. As difficult as it may be for us; the reality is that this simple act has the power to transform our relationships and enhance our recoveries and lives as a result. We reveal why asking for help is SO difficult; and there are concrete and universal reasons this is so; as well as why asking for help is so vital to a meaningful and lasting recovery. I hope you can bear with some goofy audio courtesy of the buffer monsters invading the Zoom connection as well as my tortured vocals due to an ambitious chest cold I’m enduring – you’ll be rewarded with some serious spiritual gems. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community AND take your calls. Listen Up.
May 13, 2019
The Cycle of Addiction - The Way Out Podcast Episode 136
This week we’re discussing a fundamental and root characteristic and phenomenon of addiction. Perhaps the distinguishing feature of addiction is the cycle that manifests itself universally in the alcoholic or addict, and is the defining experience of a undeniably hijacked brain. We discuss our own experiences around the cycle of addiction, explain each phase of the cycle, and how we broke that cycle in order to achieve enduring and meaningful recovery. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls. Listen Up. 
May 6, 2019
Family in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 135
This week we’re bringing you a powerhouse discussion on Family in Recovery thanks to two absolute dynamos whom have dedicated their lives to families in Recovery. Pam and Shelly are disrupting the classic paradigm of how families deal with and recover from addiction and alcoholism in a fundamental and phenomenal way. Embracing all pathways to recovery from a family perspective to achieve the ultimate goal of breaking the cycle of addiction and achieving whole family recovery. They wonderfully detail the role each family member has in breaking this often deathly cycle, and the role each family member can fill in moving the entire family to Recovery. Plus we share feedback from the sober and serious community and take your calls. Listen Up. Resources mentioned on this episode:
April 30, 2019
Curated Recovery Speaker Edition - The Way Out Podcast Episode 134
This week we bring you a special edition of The Way Out Podcast. Each one of us has hand selected one of our favorite recovery talks to share with you, in hopes you’ll enjoy them at least as much as we do. What these speakers have in common is rather instructive – they all inject a healthy dose of humor, vulnerability, honesty, and spiritual truth into their talks, and they all leave you feeling less alone and unfixable and more connected and full of hope that in fact there is a solution that provides us the relief we’ve all so desperately sought in drugs, alcohol and other addictions. In the interest of time; each talk has been abbreviated; and I’ve provided links to the full talks in the show notes of this episode. I encourage you to listen to the rest of each one of these spectacular talks; they are worth every second of your attention. Prepare yourselves to relate, to laugh, and to reflect my friends. Without further delay, we give you The Way Out Podcast’s curated Recovery Speaker Episode – Listen Up.  Full talks available Here: Adam T: Ousmane D: Clancy I:
April 21, 2019
Growth in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 133
This week we’re talking growth in Recovery. We get off to a bit of a rocky start this week with Louie the Recovery Dog loosing his mind over various humans and animals passing in front of the window  that catch his ire; combined with an unexpected juvenile laughing fit over the synonyms to the word “growth”; suffice it to say we all clearly have some more growing UP to do. When we do finally get down to business, we illuminate what growth in recovery has looked like for each of us; and what it looks like for us today. I drop a metaphor that, I hope, will give you some insight into why growth in recovery is so critical. We also discuss what tools we can practically implement in order to activate growth in our own recovery journeys; regardless of where we are in our recovery journey. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls – Listen Up!
April 16, 2019
All Pathways to Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 132
This week we’re bringing you an enlightening discussion on the idea that All Pathways to Recovery are valid, important, and worth considering and sharing amongst one another in the Recovery Community. There are an array of formal recovery methodologies that have worked for many of us whom are in active and long term recovery including 12 Step; Faith based, Peer led, cognitive behavioral, among others. There are those too, whom have found their own unique path using a blend of existing modalities or have flat out invented their own approach that works for them. No matter the approach, what matters is that the outcome results in meaningful and enduring change for those whom need and often more importantly, truly desire recovery from addiction and/or alcoholism. We discuss in practical terms why all pathways to recovery are valid and worthwhile; what many of these methods are, and how we can go about selecting the best pathway for us – regardless of where we are in our recovery journeys. Plus we share feedback from the Sober and Serious community and take your calls – Listen Up! 
April 9, 2019
Sponsorship in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 131
This week we’re delving into the topic of Sponsorship in Recovery. If you’ve spent any time at all around the rooms of 12-Step recovery you no doubt have heard more than a few folks spout the virtues of sponsorship. We tell you what sponsors are, and perhaps more importantly what they are not as well as what a sponsor does and again of at least equal importance, what they do not do. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls – Listen Up.
April 2, 2019
Grief & Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 130
This week we’re undertaking, pardon the pun, the heavy topic of Grief in Recovery. Grief is often a complicated, difficult, and down right messy process we all must endure during our time here on earth. It’s as core to the human experience as experiencing love and human connection, and indeed is an unpleasant and direct consequence of our profound capacity to bond with our loved ones. We discuss how active addiction and alcoholism often complicates the grieving process, how the grief process works, and how we can apply the tools of Recovery to aid us in this process we work through, however imperfectly that may be. Plus we share feedback on this topic from the Sober and Serious community AND take your calls – so Listen Up. 
March 24, 2019
Mental Health & Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 129
This week we’re breaking down a subject that quite often played a critical role in our active addiction and alcoholism, and is if supreme importance to as many as 80% of us whom have a substance use disorder. And that is the issue of Mental Health.  Those of us whom have a mental health diagnosis know all too well the perils of having to navigate the pitfalls of both alcoholism and/or addiction along side a mental illness such as depression, anxiety, bi-polar, or any number of mental health issues. We break down what mental health means, how it affects addiction and alcoholism, and practical actions you can take to improve your mental health and as a result your daily life in Recovery. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community – you all had a LOT to say on this one, and we take calls from The Way Out Podcast Listeners. Listen Up.
March 19, 2019
Boundaries in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 128
This week we’re discussing boundaries in Recovery. Emotional & Physical boundaries often were all over the place while we were in active addiction and alcoholism. An untoward side-effect of ritualistic masking and numbing emotions with substances produced the side-effect of being disconnected from the boundary warning signals our emotions are sending us. Recovery is often a process of discovery. Getting to know how we feel given certain behaviors and situations informs what our boundaries are. Some boundaries are abundantly clear – such as overt physical or emotional abuse, and others are less so – requiring us to pay close attention to those newfound emotions and what they’re trying to tell us about ourselves. We’ll define what boundaries in recovery are, how to define them for yourself, and how to communicate them to the people in your life. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take one very interesting call – Listen Up!  Great article on setting Boundaries in Recovery by Hazelden:
March 11, 2019
The Way Out Podcast Episode 127 - Kristin Casey
This week we’ve got a compelling interview with Author Kristin Casey. Kristin is the Author of Rock Monster: My Life with Joe Walsh as well as an intimacy coach and a person in long term recovery from addiction and alcoholism. Make no mistake; the hook of Kristin’s book is Joe Walsh. Joe is an enigmatic character who commands a “look at me, look at me” kind of attention and Kristin does a superb job of bringing Joe to life over the course of the story laid out in the pages of this remarkable memoir. More striking is the way in which Kristin’s very identity becomes inextricably connected to Joe and the rise and fall of their relationship – a dynamic all too many of us can intimately relate with. The remarkably dark and desperately lonely place King Alcohol took Kristin after her identity was stripped from her as a result of the demise of their relationship is nothing short of horrifying – a true miracle she’s here with us today. The only part of Kristin’s story more remarkable than her wild ride with Joe Walsh and the shocking events that followed is that of her extraordinary comeback powered by working the 12-Steps, a good sponsor, and yes, being of service. We’re suckers for a good ‘ol fashioned comeback here at The Way Out Podcast and Kristin’s story doesn’t disappoint so Listen Up. CODA Self-Evaluation:
March 5, 2019
Character Defects in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 126
This week we’re breaking down the oft overlooked and perhaps even more so dreaded 12-Step concept of Character Defects in recovery. In short order, you’ll get a practical definition of what Character Defects are and why we want to shed their dominance over our day to day thoughts, actions, and interactions with others. Understanding the what and how of it will lead is into what actions we can take in order to free ourselves from the stronghold character defects such as fear, anger, selfishness, control, among many others, have on us. Plus we share feedback from the Sober & Serious community and take your calls so Listen Up. Drop the Rock: Drop the Rock...The Ripple Effect
February 27, 2019
Relapse & Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 125
We’re talking relapse and recovery. Relapse often can be a loaded term; often bandied about in discussion on recovery spurring heated debates on whether relapse is a part of recovery or if it is the antithesis of what we’re trying to achieve in recovery. Make no mistake, relapse can be and is a part of many of our journeys to long term and meaningful recovery and assinging shame or judgement on those who experience relapse has no place in recovery. That said, relapse is NOT a part of recovery itself – no relapse is fundamentally the total absence of recovery and is antithetical to everything we’re seeking in recovery. We take a closer look at the stages of relapse, what behaviors mark each stage, and what we can do to thwart the onset of relapse thinking and behavior. Whether you’re new in recovery or been around a few 24 hours, you’ll get a mega dose of relapse defying insight and practical tools you can apply to your recovery. Plus, we hear what the Sober & Serious community has to say on the topic and take calls from The Way Out Podcast Listeners. Listen Up.
February 24, 2019
The Problem & The Solution by Fred Holmquist - The Way Out Podcast Episode 124
I’m Charlie and this week I’m bringing you a special presentation of perhaps one of the if not the most influential talks in modern 12-Step recovery. We’re bringing you this in lieu of our regularly scheduled podcast on relapse in Recovery. We had a bit of a technical snafu causing us to push our weekly recording to Wednesday. Parenthetically that caused me to work through some character defects like perfectionism, pride, and ego which I’ll talk more about in the Recover Revealed segment later in the podcast. Nevertheless, stay tuned for Wednesday’s episode on Relapse in Recovery as I am SUPER excited about what we’ve got in store for you in that episode. I’ve isolated the audio of Fred Holmquist’s lecture on the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous and the 12-Step program it outlines for all of you to easily listen and take in as you would with any other podcast you might listen to. Fred distills the quintessential dilemma of the addict and alcoholic in such a way that cuts straight to the heart of the matter which then sets up his distillation of the solution perfectly, which is a program of action as outlined in the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous. Perhaps nobody has done a better job than that of Fred Holmquist relating our core problem and the solution contained in the 12-Steps since Joe & Charlie’s talks entitled “The Big Book Comes Alive”. My hope is that you will find this talk as enlightening and as useful as I did when I watched the videos while in treatment at Hazelden more than 4 years ago, but even if you only find them a fraction as useful that would still be a tremendous addition to your recovery. 
February 19, 2019
Complacency in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 123
This week we’re talking Complacency in Recovery. Complacency can be a formidable and subtle foe in maintaining meaningful and lasting recovery. It is without question quite human to experience complacency in any number of facets in our lives; and recovery is no exception. For those of us in Recovery however, complacency often can and indeed does precede relapse.  We’re going to discuss what complacency in recovery means; how to detect it, where it stems from, and what practical action we can take to ensure we’re not falling victim to this all too common pitfall in Recovery. Plus we share comments on this topic from Sober & Serious AND take your calls! Listen Up!
February 11, 2019
Newcomers in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 122
This week we’re talking right to and all about the Newcomer to recovery. It’s often said the newcomer is the most important person in a 12-Step meeting, though it doesn’t necessarily feel that way when you are first entering a program of Recovery. We give you, the newcomer, straight forward, practical actions you can implement straight away that will yield remarkable results as well as helpful insights into why these actions make such a big difference in Recovery. For the person in long term recovery, we remind you of how vitally important it is to your own recovery to reach out and help the newcomer in any way you can. Plus we take calls from the Way Out Podcast listeners. Listen Up.
February 5, 2019
The Way Out Podcast Episode 121 - Mike Govoni
This week we’ve got a fantastic discussion on tap for you with Mr. Mike Govoni. Mike has been in long term recovery from addiction and alcoholism to the tune of 14 years, works on the front line in emergency rooms on the opioid & addiction crisis, and is the founder of Breath by Breath Wellness – where mindfulness and breath are cornerstones of his approach to total wellness coaching. Mike has one amazing Recovery story to share, along with incredibly insightful lessons he’s learned on his journey to wellness. He speaks of ACE’s – or adverse childhood experiences, a topic we’ll dive into in greater depth in our Recovery Revealed segment, as well as what he learned from each of the TWO bottoms he’s hit in his Journey to recovery; one of these bottoms while in sobriety. You won’t want to miss a minute of this gem of an interview so Listen UP. Mike can be reached here: Website:  Instagram : mikegovoni Facebook: mike govoni  Adverse Childhood Experience Test (you'll need to find it in the article):
January 29, 2019
Perseverance In Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 120
This week we’re discussing the importance of and how to inject perseverance into recovery. Without question any meaningful and lasting recovery must have some measure of perseverance as a foundational and defining characteristic. Perseverance is often the key ingredient that separates those who succeed in any endeavor, and Recovery is no exception. A cursory Google search on the word perseverance will yield countless quotes from some of history’s most influential people, waxing poetic on the virtues of hard work, determination, and a never say die attitude. You’ll get the low down on perseverance in Recovery and how to apply it to your own recovery as well as why the goal might actually be to have to persevere LESS. Plus we take calls from The Way Out Podcast Audience. One note before we kick the show off – I humbly ask that you persevere through a less than ideal audio experience as the studio equipment was adjusted by a 17 year old boy whom shall remain nameless while he was recording piano samples with Dad’s podcast studio gear, thus the gain on the channel my vocals are recorded on was up WAY too high. I did my level best to clean up a very HOT signal, so without further ado – Listen Up.
January 22, 2019
Resentments & Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 119
The Dash:   These instructions are for the below prayer (Big Book, Freedom from Bondage, p. 552): ‘If you have a resentment you want to be free of, if you will pray for the person or the thing that you resent, you will be free. If you will ask in prayer for everything you want for yourself to be given to them, you will be free…Even when you don’t really want it for them, and your prayers are only words and you don’t mean it, go ahead and do it anyway. Do it every day for two weeks and you will find you have come to mean it and to want it for them, and you will realize that where you used to feel bitterness and resentment and hatred, you now feel compassionate understanding and love.’ This week we’re taking on the number one offender in preventing recovery from taking root and often a major contributor to relapse – Resentments. We shed light on what resentments actually are, how to detect if you have them, why it’s so important to move past them, and how to actually live a life that is free of the devastating effects of resentment. Plus we take calls from The Way Out Podcast listeners – Listen Up.
January 15, 2019
The Way Out Podcast Episode 118 - Melinda
This week I’ve got a down right remarkable story to share with you; a story not often heard on The Way Out Podcast airwaves. Melinda’s story is marked by a tumultuous and chaotic childhood providing the fertile soil for dysfunction and addiction to take root as she began to traverse the uncharted territory of adulthood. The sentinel moment that marked the beginning of Melinda’s Recovery is ultra-relatable and provides the compelling catalyst for her finding Recovery in various programs, not the least of which included the 12-Steps in Adult Children of Alcoholics. Melinda’s perspective on Recovery is on point; astute, and nuanced, and quite refreshing. To that end, and without further ado, I give you Melinda in unadulterated and totally uninterrupted fashion – Listen Up.
January 15, 2019
The Way Out Podcast Episode 117 - Stephen Daniels
We’ve got a phenomenal interview for you with Stephen Daniels, who is in long term recovery from both gambling and porn addiction. Stephen shares his 15 plus year battle with these addictions in an honest and authentic way, looking to smash the stigma and shame that’s so often attached to addiction, especially society’s awkward relationship to porn and the deafening silence and lack of conversation surrounding porn addiction. Stephen’s story affirms that despite how our primary addictions manifest, whether it be drugs, alcohol, gambling, or porn – the root cause and the solution is universal. Stephen’s mission to break the silence and smash the stigma of porn and gambling addiction starts right now. Listen Up. Stephen D. Daniels Motivational Speaker Email: Social Media Handles
January 7, 2019
Barriers to Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 116
The Problem & Solution by Fred Holmquist Videos: (Part 1 of 5) (Part 2 of 5) (Part 3 of 5) (Part 4 of 5) (Part 5 of 5) Staying Sober: A Guide for Relapse Prevention: We’re addressing a common struggle many of us have faced on our recovery journeys – the process of facing and overcoming barriers to recovery. We’ve talked at length on various important and impactful elements of recovery and this week we’re helping demystify common barriers we often face before lasting and meaningful recovery can be achieved. Learning what these barriers are, and how to overcome them is paramount if we want to achieve rewarding & enduring recovery. All this, plus we take calls from The Way Out Podcast listeners – Listen Up! 
January 7, 2019
Community in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 115
We’ve got an outstanding final episode of 2018 for you to enjoy. Jared is coming back into Recovery after a near fatal overdose and shares very candidly and openly about his struggle with alcoholism and heroin addiction. Jared’s journey dovetails splendidly with our ensuing discussion on Community in Recovery. It’s often said in all walks of life, regardless of the situation, that “it takes a village” and that is no truer than in Recovery. Community in so many ways provides the antidote to addiction and alcoholism. We give you the big wins that come from connecting with your recovery community & even more helpful, we give you practical ways you can make that life giving community connection. Plus, we take calls from The Way Out Podcast listeners. Listen Up.   Here's the link to the video we talked about on the show!
December 31, 2018
Relationships in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 114
This week we’ll be exploring an often treacherous dynamic in recovery – relationships. Many of us have endured unhealthy and even toxic relationships during our active addiction and alcoholism. Navigating relationships, especially in early recovery; whether you’re currently in a committed relationship or contemplating entering a relationship, can be difficult and complex at best and down right risky and dangerous at worst. A toxic relationship in recovery can threaten your sobriety and even the very safety of yourself, your children, and your family. We discuss in very practical and useful terms how to navigate these turbulent waters and share how our programs of Recovery helped us be better friends, sponsors, sponsees, and mates as well as how our pickers done got fixed. Listen Up. 
December 24, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 113 - Callers Only
Sometimes in Recovery we have to adapt & overcome unforeseen obstacles that stand in our way; or as the Serenity Prayer elegantly states – Change the things we can. Our recording session for this week’s podcast was stopped before it started when we had a key piece of equipment fail – preventing us from being able to record any audio. For your audio tech nerds out there, it was my trusty and yes kind of dusty Alesis iO2 audio interface that went belly up. With any hopes of a studio session dashed I was faced with two choices; either skip this week’s podcast all together or try to put something out myself. Just as I was attempting to lie down for a sleep last night an idea popped into my head – what if I could get folks to call in to the show and share whatever was on their heart or mind regarding recovery? An all caller based show! Ladies and germs, that’s exactly what we have for your this week. We’re often faced with a choice to do something or nothing; and this week is the result of a decision to give you all something special, straight from our listeners. Thank you so much AnneMarie, Big Jim, Buddy, Chris, and Michelle – each and every one of you most certainly made this possible. Listen Up.
December 18, 2018
Purpose in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 112
This week we’re covering a seriously under-rated topic in Recovery – Purpose.  We discuss in simple & practical terms what purpose actually is and how we can achieve purpose in our own lives.  Spoiler alert, it doesn’t have to be some over the top or profound higher calling in order for it to be both meaningful and effective in your life.  Plus we take calls from The Way Out Podcast Audience.  Listen Up.
December 10, 2018
Gratitude in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 111
Gratitude, can indeed be something we can cultivate in our lives with intention and purpose.  Gratitude is a powerful emotion we’ve all hopefully experienced on some level through various points in our lives, but we often think of Gratitude as something that happens to us, as if we don’t have any influence on whether it occurs or not.  Gratitude, rather, can indeed be something we can cultivate in our lives with intention and purpose.  During our discussion I sprinkle in 31 unique ways gratitude can improve our lives; but I’ll give you one right now.  Gratitude, when cultivated intentionally, has the same positive effect on our well being as doubling our income!  We discuss how to cultivate gratitude, as well as what life like was when we were devoid of this powerful life enhancing emotion.  Plus, we take calls from The Way Out Podcast Listeners.  Listen Up.
December 3, 2018
Acceptance & Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 110
We discuss perhaps one of the most important & profoundly impactful topics in Recovery – acceptance as well as it’s yang to the yin – Denial.  Without question a hallmark of active addiction and alcoholism is behavior marked by and rooted in denial.  We explore why denial is so prevalent in active addiction & alcoholism and how acceptance is the true antidote to the many denial mechanisms that plague us pre and post sobriety.  Plus we take calls from Felix from Brooklyn New York and Rachel from Oakdale Minnesota. Listen Up.
November 26, 2018
Forgiveness in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 109
Forgiveness in the context of Addiction and Alcoholism recovery is an essential and transformative process which in classic paradoxical fashion actually releases the Forgiver  - providing the crucial freedom from the bondage of often long held and seemingly justifiable resentments.  We provide good working definitions of Forgiveness and it’s inversely connected condition – the state of resentment.  Plus we take calls from The Way Out Podcast Listeners.  Listen Up.
November 19, 2018
Emotional Sobriety in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 108
Emotional sobriety strikes at the very core of what it means to be an addict and alcoholic.  We bring you an engaging and enlightening discussion on what Bill W of Alcoholics Anonymous dubbed the next frontier of AA – Emotional Sobriety.  Emotional sobriety strikes at the very core of what it means to be an addict and alcoholic and what separates simply being sober from being in Recovery.  We reveal to you what emotional sobriety is and what the reverse state is, emotional inebriety.  You’ll learn how to identify if you have emotional sobriety and how to tell if you don’t.  Perhaps most helpful, we’ll discuss how to become emotionally sober and why it’s so important in Recovery.  Plus we take calls from the way out podcast listeners!  Listen Up!
November 12, 2018
Service in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 107
We’re breaking down perhaps one of the most, if not the most important elements in sustaining meaningful recovery.  The Way Out Podcast is on right now.  Along with my cohosts Jordan and Jason, I’m Charlie and this week we’re breaking down perhaps one of the most, if not the most important elements in sustaining meaningful recovery – the act of Service in Recovery.  The practice of altruistic service has been a part of civilization since the dawn of man; and the benefits of this selfless form of service are well supported by every major wisdom tradition including 12-Step organizations, all major religions, and even the tao de ching dating back more than 2500 years.  We’ll enlighten you and distill the benefits, the forms of service, and the how and why of it all right now.  Listen Up.
November 5, 2018
Sober Speak with John M - The Way Out Podcast Episode 106
This week we’ve got a special interview with a fellow recovery Podcaster John from Sober Speak.  I never cease to be amazed at the power and spiritual truth that comes through each & every recovery journey & John is no exception to this rule.  John’s story is marked by profound turnarounds in the most unlikely situations, especially his relationship with his mother, a woman whom suffered mightily, for many years from a mental health perspective.  John’s story is one of pain & struggle transmuted into Recovery & Service and you won’t want to miss a minute.  Listen Up.
November 3, 2018
The Gift of Desperation - The Way Out Podcast Episode 105
We answer crazy important questions like what in the actual EF is this Gift of Desperation? .  I’m Charlie and this week Jason, Alex and I discuss a phenomenon in recovery often referred to as the Gift of Desperation.  We give you a good working definition of what it is and we answer crazy important questions like what in the actual EF is this Gift of Desperation? Why is it even called a gift?  Is it a prerequisite to recovery?  Why do some people receive this so called gift and some people don’t?  Plus, we take calls from The Way Out Podcast Listeners!  Listen Up!
October 29, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 104 - Chris Swan
Chris’s journey to recovery from over-eating and alcoholism was remarkable and will with out any doubt ring true with any one of you whom are struggling with or in recovery from alcoholism and/or addiction.  Chris’s story and his point of surrender is a must listen; and so is his original music which we’ll feature in uninterrupted fashion on this very episode.  Listen Up.
October 27, 2018
Surrender to Win - The Way Out Podcast Episode 103
We discuss the spiritual axiom of surrendering to win.  I’m Charlie, and this week my co-host Jason and I are bringing you an incredibly useful and enlightening discussion on Surrender.  More specifically we discuss the spiritual axiom of surrendering to win and how that principle is uniquely applicable to Recovery as well as other aspects of life such as in relationships, work, and even sport!  Surrender often has a very negative connotation, but we’re flipping the script on Surrender and giving you the ability to apply the surrender to win principle in your own life and recovery!  Plus, we take calls from Buddy, Ev, John, and Jack!  Listen Up!
October 22, 2018
Serenity in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 102
The difference between sobriety and serenity.  We’ll learn what serenity means, why it’s important in Sobriety, and what we can do to achieve this seemingly elusive and abstract goal of recovery.  We break down the serenity prayer in an instructive and enlightening way; and discuss the difference between sobriety and serenity.  This week we’re in the enviable position of having literally too much show, so much show in fact we plum don’t have space for a Recovery Revealed segment.  This whole dang episode is the incarnation of Recovery Revealed.  We take calls from Troy, Brenda, Dan, Chris, and Annie who share some serious truth with us on Serenity in Recovery, so Listen Up.
October 14, 2018
Terminal Uniqueness - The Way Out Podcast Episode 101
Super Sobriety Topic Terminal Uniqueness. Along with Jason and Alex, I’m Charlie and we’ll be your hosts for this week’s discussion on the Super Sobriety Topic Terminal Uniqueness.  We’ll give you an indispensably valuable definition of what Terminal Uniqueness is, and how it can and does act as a block to meaningful and lasting recovery.  Join Alex, Jason and myself as we share our own experiences with Terminal Uniqueness and how we and many others in the Recovery Community overcame this seemingly impassable obstacle to Recovery.  Plus, we take calls from The Way Out Podcast audience on this week’s topic – you don’t want to miss a thing, so Listen Up!
October 8, 2018
Spirituality in Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 100
Along with Jason and Alex, I’m Charlie and we’ll be your hosts as we discuss the Recovery Power Topic, Spirituality in Recovery.  So much of 12-Step recovery and faith based recovery programs involve the concept and actual practice of spirituality as it relates to the individual in Recovery.  We give you a really useful, practical, and working definition of spirituality as well as deliver to you practical applications of spirituality in Recovery, as well as what spiritual bankruptcy looked like in our active addictions.  Best of all, this week we take calls from The Way Out Podcast listeners who share their thoughts on Spirituality and Recovery.  You don’t want to miss a second, so Listen Up!
October 1, 2018
Hope & Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 99
The Way Out Podcast is on right now.  I’m Charlie, and this week, along side my co-hosts Jason and Alex we bring you an enlightening conversation on one of the single greatest four letter words in Recovery: hope.  No doubt the vast majority of us whom have battled drug and alcohol addiction can readily identify with the reverse of this Recovery Power Topic, the absence of hope  - hopelessness.  Addiction and alcoholism systematically and progressively remove hope from our hearts, leaving in a seemingly, and I do stress seemingly hopeless state of mind and body.  But alas there is hope for each and every one of us if we are in a place where we’re ready to grab onto it and chase it like we chased our next drunk or high.  Hope let’s us know there’s indeed a way out of the awful place our disease puts us in.  Listen Up.
September 24, 2018
Fear & Recovery - The Way Out Podcast Episode 98
I’m Charlie and today I’m joined by my two new co-hosts Jason and Alex as we have an insightful and practical discussion on fear and recovery. We answer the question burning in every recovering person’s mind – exactly how many times does the word fear appear in the Book Alcoholics Anonymous and furthermore which chapter in the aforementioned text mentions the word fear most often? How did fear manifest itself amongst us in our own active addiction and more importantly how did we shed it in recovery? Perhaps most instructive, what do we do in practical application when fear crops up in our lives today? How do we recognize it, and what tools do we use to help us? We answer all of this and much more so Listen Up.
September 17, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 97 - Rachel Grant
This week I’m over the moon to have had the opportunity to have an engaging discussion with Rachel Grant.  Rachel is an expert and survivor -check that – a beyond survivor of sexual abuse and has a powerful message of hope and recovery to share with us.  Many of us in the recovery community have had sexual abuse in our own histories, or know someone who has.  This special episode of The Way Out Podcast brings this subject to the fore, and offers a Way Out if you will, through Rachel’s Beyond Survival program of recovery.  Listen Up.
September 15, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 96 - Annie
The Way Out Podcast is on right now.  I’m Charlie, and I’ll be your host for Episode 96 with Annie.  Annie talks candidly and openly about the three addictions she is in recovery from, over-eating, nicotine, and alcohol.  We broach a subject not often spoken of in Recovery circles – Nicotine addiction is real and rather rampant in and around the rooms of recovery.  Annie shares her unique perspective on how she recovered from her own three headed monster of addiction – Listen Up.
August 18, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 95 - Phillip Andrew
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for what turned out to be an outstanding interview with this week’s guest, Philip Andrew.  Philip’s story is riddled with hard knock lessons and ripe with a struggle and triumph over tragedy I and many of you know all too well.  Phillip shares his story in an authentic, humorous, and humble manner all the while dropping some serious spiritual truth – you don’t want to miss a minute y’all!  So make sure you Listen Up!
July 22, 2018
Recovery Bash Podcast - The Way Out Podcast Episode 94
I’m Charlie, and I’ll be your host this week as I bring you a powerful set of interviews from all stripes of Recovery who were having an absolute blast at a sober recovery bash.  Listen Up.
July 4, 2018
Keith Campbell is Sober & Serious - The Way Out Podcast Episode 93
I’m Charlie, and I’ll be your host this week as I bring you a powerful interview with Keith Campbell – a person in long term recovery and the founder of the world’s fastest growing online recovering community – Sober & Serious.  Keith shares some serious sober experience, strength, and hope with us, and his message of community and service truly resonates with those of us whom are struggling with alcoholism and addiction or are in recovery.  Listen Up.
May 8, 2018
Maegan & Bob | The Addictionary Podcast - The Way Out Podcast Episode 92
This week I’m absolutely ecstatic about bringing you the Podcasting duo Meagan and Bob from The Addictionary Podcast.  Meagan and Bob are father & daughter and are both persons living in long-term recovery from addiction.  Their recovery stories are both inspiring and instructive, demonstrating through their lived experience, there are many pathways to meaningful and long-term recovery and that there truly is no substitute for living your truth.  Listen Up.
May 1, 2018
Amy LaBossiere is Finding Still Waters - The Way Out Podcast Episode 91
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host this week for an amazing interview with Amy LaBossiere.  Amy is an Artist, Wife, Author and a woman in long term Recovery.   Amy and her husband own Still Waters Retreat in Connecticut.  Amy’s story is jam packed with spiritual truth, and her journey to through alcoholism and to recovery through her art is one I deeply connected with.  Amy’s story is ultra-relatable and shines as a remarkable example of what alcoholism and recovery looks like.  Listen Up.
April 22, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 90 - Raven Part Two
I’m Charlie, and I’ll be your host this week for the second part of our two-part series with my dear friend Raven.  Raven shares how her addiction and alcoholism spiral into what turn out to be untenable extents, witnessing her then partner overdose in front of her six-year-old son and what it finally took for Raven, now seven years sober, to find fulfilling and enduring Recovery.  Listen Up.
April 16, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 89 - Raven Part One
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host this week as I bring you part one with my dear friend Raven, who shares her story of addiction, alcoholism and recovery in only the way she can.  Raven’s matter of fact, tell it like it is style makes listening to her share on her story ultra listenable as she starts her story as a girl coming of age in Southern California.  A child of divorce, Raven experienced the yin and yang of the wealth on one side and the meager one the other.  Raven struggles with self-image, self-esteem, self-harm, sexual abuse and a progressive drug and alcohol addiction that completely enveloped her life.  Listen Up.
April 8, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 88 - John Mabry Part Two
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host this week as we bring you part 2 of my discussion with John C Mabry.  We pick up right where we left off last week as John describes how he rose to success in film and TV as his disease was taking him to unimaginable lows.  John suffers another unimaginable and traumatic tragedy which takes him from the fame of Hollywood to near penniless living in a trailer before finding meaningful and lasting Recovery.
April 3, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 87 - John Mabry Part One
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for this week’s episode, which is packed with spiritual truth from beginning to end.  John Mabry’s journey to living in recovery and living in his self-described “truth” is a powerful lesson on the toll addiction and alcoholism takes on us; especially when denial and lack of acceptance of the true nature of our condition reign supreme.  His insight on early childhood trauma is a welcome addition to those of us who have suffered similarly.  Listen Up.
March 27, 2018
Amy Dresner is My Fair Junkie - The Way Out Podcast Episode 86 (Part Two)
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for Part Two of my conversation with Amy Dresner, Author of the compelling addiction memior “My Fair Junkie”.  Amy and I pick up right where we left off last week as we dive her life now as a recovering addict & alcoholic, author, and frequent columnist and contributor to “The Fix”.  Listen Up.
March 20, 2018
Amy Dresner is My Fair Junkie - The Way Out Podcast Episode 85 (Part One)
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for part one of a two part series with former stand-up comedian and current author and contributor to The Fix – Amy Dresner.  Amy has an absolute whale of a tale to share with us, which inspired her new book “My Fair Junkie” – a memoir on Amy’s turbulent and sometimes faltering path to meaningful and substantial recovery.  Listen Up.
March 15, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 84 -Eric Part Two
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for part two of my interview with Eric, a loyal listener of The Way Out Podcast whom bravely shares his story with us.  In part two, Eric shares how his alcoholism comes to a breaking point and his realization that he can’t stop drinking comes crashing down upon him; he knows of Alcoholics Anonymous by now and is finally willing to do whatever it takes to recover.  Listen Up.
March 6, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 83 -Eric Part One
The Way Out Podcast is on right now.  I’m Charlie, and I’m thrilled to bring part one of Eric’s story, a story you’ll only find here, on The Way Out Podcast.  Eric has an amazing story to share, and I found myself identifying with so many of the feelings, thought patterns, and behaviors Eric relates as he recounts his journey to Recovery and I know you will too.  Listen Up.
February 25, 2018
Smile Now & Cry Later with Freddy Negrete - The Way Out Podcast Episode 82 (Part Two)
I’m Charlie and I’m thrilled as always to be your host for this week’s episode and the conclusion of my amazing discussion with legendary tattoo artist Freddy Negrete.  Freddy’s heart condition resulting from his addictions begins to rear it’s ugly head and threatens to cut his life abruptly short.  Listen as Freddy shares how frighteningly close he was to death and what it took to finally surrender to the God of his understanding providing the fertile ground from which his amazing Recovery began to grow.  Listen Up.
February 20, 2018
Smile Now & Cry Later with Freddy Negrete - The Way Out Podcast Episode 81 (Part One)
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for the first episode of a two part series with legendary tattoo artist Freddy Negrete.  Freddy’s first years were marked by abandonment and abuse as he grew up in East L.A. in the heart of the Cholo Gang Sub-Culture.  Freddy left his toxic foster home for good at 12 years old to join the Cholo gang of East L.A. full time.  Art had always been Freddy’s calling from his early graffiti laden days giving rise to quickly becoming the most sought after black & grey realist in the world.  Addiction was ubiquitous in gang lifestyle and Freddy was no exception; as he went into a decidedly downward spiral of heroin addiction.  Listen Up.
February 10, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 80 - Leeanne Part Two
I’m Charlie and I’ll be your host for this week’s episode where we bring you part two of my amazing chat with Leeanne.  Leeann’s story is so instructive in a great many ways; as she shares he first 13 years of recovery in a state of physical sobriety and emotional inebriety.  Leeanne’s path was hard won, with lessons learned and spiritual and self-truths acquired while wondering in the often dark and foreign wilderness of sobriety.  Listen Up.
February 5, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 79 - Leeanne Part One
Leeanne has quite an amazing story & recovery journey.  Growing up as an American in Saudi Arabia up until High School; attending boarding school in France and ultimately moving back stateside to attend Catholic School due to the chaos that accompanied the divorce of her parents.  Leeanne’s Recovery journey is one of years spent spiritually asleep; marked by profound surrenders and awakenings; a true testament to the promises of Recovery coming sometimes quickly, and sometimes slowly.  Listen Up.
January 29, 2018
The Way Out Podcast Episode 78 - Brandon Novak Part Two
We pick up right where we left off last week; as Brandon shares his implausible journey to recovery, and the miracles that have transpired in his life since achieving substantial and meaningful recovery.  Listen Up.
January 23, 2018