Exploring the wisdom of the body, and the human capacity for healing, transforming and awakening to life, right here in the body, through the practices, teachings and real lives of our guests. Seeking out experts, luminaries, and everyday practitioners, who are living this truth and the health and happiness it brings. Marcela and Mat Wakeham are at the heart of the show, as a married couple and parents, learning and growing in connection with their guests and audience. The Body Knows mission is to broadcast conversations that inspire an understanding and return to a natural sense of wellbeing.
This first episode of The Body Knows Podcast of 2021 is with senior, Western Buddhist monk Ajahn Succito, and we could not be happier to be sharing his deep, compassionate, somatic wisdom as we set forth into the New Year together.
Ajahn Sucitto entered monastic life in 1975 in Thailand, but been based in Britain since 1978. He spent fourteen years training under Ajahn Sumedho, the senior Western disciple of the Thai Forest Buddhist master Luang Por Chah, and so is part of that direct lineage of Theravadan monastic practice. Beginning in 1979 with the founding of Chittaviveka monastery in Chithurst, West Sussex, under the guidance of Ajahn Chah, and later Amaravati in Hertfordshire with Ajahn Sumedo, he is one of those who is instrumental in establishing Theravadan Buddhism in the West. He was also then abbot of Cittaviveka between 1992 & 2014, when he resigned the post, although he continues teaching.
The title of Ajahn denotes an expert spiritual teacher in the Thai language, and for both of us has been just that; directly on silent retreat, practicing mediation and Chi Gong, as well as through talks on the Buddha’s teachings, and in his many written works also.
This first season of the podcast has been all about us speaking with those who have been direct influences, teachers and companions to us and when drawing up our wish list of guests Ajahn was always one we both dearly wanted to interview, such has the impact of his teaching been upon us.
The Thai Forest tradition has a very direct style and approach to practice, the Buddha's teachings and to daily life. There are spiritual traditions that ignore, deny, abuse or try to transcend the body, and we wanted to gain Ajahn's spiritual perspective on the importance of reclaiming our feelings, sensations, and instincts and the value of listening to wisdom the of the body.
Some of the Buddha’s instructions on mindfulness emphasize that we should ‘Directly know the body in the body’, and that ‘Mindfulness of body encompasses all states that give rise to wisdom’. We knew Ajahn would provide clear, loving, joyful, first-hand personal experience upon this, and we were not disappointed by what he had to share.
Ajahn’s books are available for free distribution and are free to download via https://forestsangha.org/ His talks, essays and reflections are also available on his own site https://ajahnsucitto.org/ where you can sign up for his newsletter, to get updates about all his teaching engagements, both live and virtual, as well as links to recorded teachings. You can also find him on the Insight Timer app https://insighttimer.com/ajahnsucitto
The interview took place over Zoom between the 2nd and 3rd lockdown in the UK. Marcela was in Devon teaching the final module on The Still Flowing Yoga Teacher training, Mat was at home in West Sussex and Ajahn was at Chitaviveka. The recording of Mat’s voice is not great for some reason, however we have done our best to maximize playback quality. This episode was edited by https://www.fiverr.com/bijoyahmed21094 who deserves the biggest Enriquez Wakeham family shout-out for saving Christmas when our edit crashed and corrupted and left us out of time. His services are highly recommended.
Our listener shout-out this month goes to Jessie Rose. Jessie is life coach, who is also a near death experience survivor. Jessie reached out to us via Instagram to share her story after we posted a reflection upon the ineffable awareness and support the body gives us even when facing death, in response to our last conversation with counseling psychotherapist Mark Craven. You can discover more of Jessie’s story of self healing, harmony, love and alignment for yourself at https://www.instagram.com/jessierosecoach/ where she also has a link to her site and services.
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This episode of the Body Knows Podcast is with Mark Craven. Mark is a Senior Counselling Psychotherapist for the Royal Trinity Hospice in London, giving support around grief and loss. Our conversation delves into his path, his training and his practice to support the trauma and bereavement of his clients, and their coming to terms with terminal illness, and the end of life.
His own early physical trauma lead him on lifelong journey of enquiry to make sense of the human experience. From his first steps in the fitness industry, to studies in hypnotherapy and NLP - in part to manage his own negative relationship with the body - and on to his therapeutic training.
We discuss how a desire at first to mend and transcend the body eventually transformed into a deeper, embodied comprehension Mark has learnt to integrate the body into his therapeutic practice, which he contests, can be missing in some modalities and training of cognitive, talk based practice.
He is an eloquent proponent of aligning with our animal nature to release pain and understand life, and of movement as both a therapy in its self, and a pre-therapeutic aid. There’s talk too of his sabbatical year that he undertook to manage work based stress, where Mark studied meditation and mindfulness in South East Asia, long before it was a common place practice and tool used to do so.
For him the body has always been an ally amid his therapeutic career, and over time he has integrated its ‘loving presence’ into his work. Mark is a husband and a father of three children and he shares his own strategies to find wellbeing, and make friends with our bodies in connection with one-another and our-selves in the midst of daily life.
Ultimately this conversation carries a message of hope and communicates our ability to adapt and cope as shaky humans, even as he helps people face some of the core fundamental wounds of life.
This was the first interview we held, and we are so excited to be finally sharing it with you all. Mark isn’t a person who promotes himself on social media, instead focussing on his clients, his personal enquiry and his family. This is a profound and illuminating conversation and we’re honoured to bring his compassion and understanding.
We have a favour to ask you; if there’s one person you know who would benefit from this conversation then please pass it along to them. This act would help us so much in sharing our mssage and our mission.
Someone we would love to thank for doing this in the last month is Dr Heather Abernethy, who’s loving support for our show on social media is greatly appreciated. We see you Heather, and you can find her at - https://www.instagram.com/drheatherabernethy/ - all one word, where she also has links to her wonderful YouTube recourses.
Finally, we’ll be transitioning to a monthly release schedule from this episode onwards. This podcast is a on-going learning experience for us both, and a work of passion, and we’re finding the bi monthly release schedule a bit too much for our lives as parents, partners and people and we can hardly not talk the talk, and not listen to our bodies! Thanks all for now. Have a wonderful holiday season and we will be back with you all in 2021.
Thanks for joining us again for EP#005, and if this is your first time listening we hope you enjoy it, and invite you to stick around and listen to some of our previous episodes too.
For this conversation we spent an afternoon at Whiteheart Crossfit, in the heart of West Sussex, sharing cacao, ceremony, connection, conversation and cold immersion with James Shaw & Chris Baker of weMove.
weMove is a podcast at the forefront of documenting the ‘movement revolution’, hosted by these two former over-worked, and over-trained music and fashion industry professionals who felt there was another way. James & Chris believe wholeheartedly in the transformative power of movement, and shared experience, and their lives and podcast are testament to that embodied philosophy.
We covered their journey from their early days, dealing with the mental, emotional and physical price of material success… Moving on to the lessons learnt on the road together, connecting the dots as documentarians of contemporary movement culture. We spoke too about how this path has completely transformed them, and their movement practices, and how it continues to do so, through the experience of their bodies in motion, their connection with their guests and their audience, and their felt sense of the natural world.
Their own conversation style on their show is long form, free flowing riffs, and inspired by that we threw much of our prepared questions out of the window, and followed the flow of what was presenting itself, and what wanted to be spoken and heard at the time.
It felt like we barely got started telling their story, as their experience through their four-year journey and 140+ conversations is so in-depth, and full of truth and somatic experience. Yet still we covered so much ground too, and listening back it unfolds like an origins story, as they cross the threshold from the ordinary world into connecting with lives led by purpose and meaning, integrating and living everything they have learnt from their conversations, driven by curiosity and passion for all that life can offer. We’re sure this won’t be the last conversation, or time we share with these two free spirited adventurers of movement, human connection, meaning and potential.
The guys are easy to find on socials and the web, where you can follow their on-going, unfolding story –
wemove.world is their site - https://wemove.world/
@wemove.world is their Instagram account - https://www.instagram.com/wemove.world/
And you can find them on YouTube under wemove world - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuoE_D6_VNPuZ4RrgLcqPUQ
You can also find Whiteheart Cross Fit, where James and Chris keep the weMove cold immersion freezer here - https://www.whitehartfitness.com/
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Doing this will also help us to share our message, and we’d like to ask you to do the same; if there’s one person you know who would benefit from this conversation, or any of our others, please pass it along to them. Please tag us too in any post and stories you share about our show on instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thebodyknows_podcast/ - and we’ll be sure to reshare to our socials, and also we’ll feature one of you on our next show.
Thanks, once again, for listening, we hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did. We'll be back again in another two weeks with another show, but in the meantime remember to listen to your body, because your body knows.
This episode of The Body Knows Podcast is with Michelle Baker Jones. We met and spoke at her private practice in Kingston Upon Thames, London, where she works as an integrative psycho-therapeutic counsellor.
Michelle is also a member of Imperial College’s Psychedelic research team where she is a lead guide on their trials comparing psilocybin to anti-depressants for the treatment for depression. She also offers individual psychedelic integration for people struggling to process psychedelic experiences, and co–facilitates a monthly Psychedelic Integration group in London.
This in-depth interview with Michelle explores her experiences on the clinical trials for psychedelic-assisted therapy, as well her personal experiences with psychedelics and her work in the integration groups. As one of the lead therapists on the trials she outlines their design and context in which the psilocybin sessions occur. We spoke too about the history of the trials, the qualifications for a psychotherapist to use psychedelics and how this transpersonal, and ancient and medicine, with its mystic, shamanic tradition of communion with nature, fits in to a Western scientific, positivist model. We also discuss methods used by the program for integration of the psychedelic experience. The subjects of state chasing and spiritual bypassing are also addressed, as is the need for an authentic, Western cultural container for the experience, equivalent to those found in indigenous communities.
Psilocybin mushrooms have been part of religious rituals for thousands of years. The Aztecs of Mexico referred to the mushroom as teonanácatl, or “God’s flesh”, in homage to its believed sacred power yet Psilocybin remains in the most restricted category today, which David Nutt, professor of neuropsychoparmacology at Imperial, and who is overseeing the current trials, calls “one of the most atrocious examples of the censorship of science and medicine in the history of the world”.
The work Michelle and the Imperial team are doing is set to revolutionise the treatment of depression, if not the Western medical model its self, by placing the individual, and our innate propensity to heal ourselves, at the centre of treatment.
Find out more about Imperial’s ground-breaking work on Psilocybin for major depression at - https://www.imperial.ac.uk/psychedelic-research-centre/ | For more information on psychedelic integration go to – https://integration.maps.org/ | Michelle’s private counselling practice can be found at - http://mbjcounselling.co.uk/ OTHER RESOURCES – Michelle & Greg Donaldson at Breaking Convention - https://youtu.be/HKZywjeXKQc | Breaking Convention https://www.breakingconvention.co.uk/
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EP#003 | CLARE OSBOND & TIM BROWN | DANCE OF AWARENESS
Today’s conversation is with two of Marcela’s teachers, Clare Osbond & Tim Brown of the Brighton School for Embodied Therapy, here in our home county of Sussex in the UK.
Clare is a body psychotherapist with specific experience in working with trauma, movement and mindfulness. She also has an MA in Dance Movement Psychotherapy, and offers body-centred, movement, and sensorimotor psychotherapy, as well as an ongoing women's movement therapy group.
Tim is a body psychotherapist with a background in Deep Bodywork, Embodied Relational Therapy, Postural Integration, Authentic Movement and trauma work. He brings a gentle curiosity, creativity, and warm humour to his work. He believes in taking the body seriously as it holds deep wisdom – and that we just need to listen to it, and trust what it tells us.
Together they developed Dance of Awareness, a group movement practice that aims to increase self-awareness and self- acceptance.
They both have such knowledge and experience that we could have easily just spoken to them about their individual practices, however our focus for the podcast was their work with Dance of Awareness. They explain the therapeutic value of movement, developmental psychology, and the affirming effect of being witnessed and witnessing ourselves. We also discussed how Dance of Awareness can help with trauma, what this means, and how it is realised in the body.
They have said that ‘the moving body is the form in which consciousness grows and explores its self’, and when that movement is done there’s a return to the ‘ground of awareness’. Seen in this light, their teaching connects participants with mind, body and spirit though movement and is spiritual in nature.
Clare leads a beautiful couples exercise to explore our feeling and relationship towards Support at the end of the interview that we loved participating in. We hope you do too.
- You can find out more about Brighton School for Embodied Therapyon their official site here.
- Dance of Awareness can be found on Facebook too.
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We’re running a competition to win Made by Cooper products, as well as some ceremonial grade cacao to take part in an online cacao ceremony run by Marcela, all to celebrate our launch. To enter please subscribe on your favourite platform, download the first three episodes, rate and leave a review, then send us a screenshot of your review to firstname.lastname@example.org. Closing date Nov 30, 2020.
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Thanks for listening, we hope you enjoy it, we’ll be back every 2nd and 4th Monday of the month from Nov 2020, and remember, listen to your body because your body knows.
EP#002 | POLLYANNA DARLING | EMBODIED ECOLOGY
Our first conversation is with Pollyanna Darling, she’s Head Of Community Engagement and CEO Of Treesisters Austrailia. TreeSisters is a grassroots movement supporting the restoration of our planet through tropical reforestation and the empowerment of women.
Pollyanna has been involved in TreeSisters since it was a tiny seed. She volunteered for 7 years before stepping into the core team. She is committed to playing her part in bringing our beautiful Earth back to thriving. As an Intuitive Coach, Pollyanna also spent many years helping women live from their deepest wells of courage and have significant impact on the future of our planet. She is also mother of four boys, an award-winning author, singer, passionate Earthlover, women's empowerment facilitator, and loud laugher.
We spoke with Pollyanna about her path to joining the charity, her two near death experiences and how they changed her relationship to life, her prior work helping her clients into wholeness, and her own embodied ecology, along with TreeSisters’ mission to reforest the planet through female empowerment. We also spoke about the correlation between the way women and nature have historically been treated, and the vital interconnection between our own innate, natural wellbeing and that of the planet.
Pollyanna’s killer quote was this - ‘The health of the planet and the health of humanity are completely intertwined and we cannot separate them’. For us that message couldn’t be any more clear, or vital.
We intend to close all our shows by asking our guests to share a practice that they use to help bring them back to the body and Pollyanna shared a short, beautiful, grounding TreeSister’s meditation.
We spoke with Pollyanna over Zoom, with us at home in the UK and her in Australia, so there’s some unavoidable audio interference, and while the sound quality isn’t always ideal, the interview was both moving and resonant.
- You can find out more about Treesiters and support them on their official site here.
- You can find them on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and on YouTube
- Link to The Map of Five Choices discussed by Marcela & Pollyanna
- Meditations, Tools and Talks on Soundcloud
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We sponsored by Made by Coopers, a modern Apothecary, crafting natural and organic products for your skin and soul. Head on over to their shop at madebycoopers.comand use BODY20 at checkout for a discount.
We’re running a competition to win Made by Coopers products, as well as some ceremonial grade cacao to take part in an online cacao ceremony with Marcela, all to celebrate our launch. To enter please subscribe, download the first three episodes, rate and review, then send us a screenshot of your review to email@example.com. Closing date Nov 30, 2020.
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Thanks for listening, we hope you enjoy it, we’ll be back every 2nd and 4th Monday of the month from Nov 2020, and remember, listen to your body because your body knows.
THE BODY KNOWS TRAILER EPISODE 001
Hello, and welcome to The Body Knows Podcast. The show that explores the wisdom of the body, through the experience, teaching and lives of our guests. We are your hosts Marcela and Mat Wakeham, and we are so happy to have you here with us today.
Marcela is a Senior Yoga teacher and Movement Therapist, and a life-long long practitioner of Yoga, Dance and Pilates. She has 20 years of experience in the field of body awareness, mindfulness and body-mind-movement related practices, and is versed in anatomy and physiology of movement. Over the years Marcela's searched for practices and techniques, which improve our sense of wellbeing, embodiment and self-expression.
As a teacher her aim is to allow the student to find the authenticity of the body during practice and take ownership of it, guiding them through the process to find the present moment where mind, body and spirit are in communion. Her style of teaching is immersed in the practice of observing the body as a process, to find health, strength and resiliency.
Marcela’s main work is to help the inquirer to find their own voice and recover their birthright, which she believes is the deeply felt sensation of being alive, and able to relate with the environment we live in with grace.
Mat benefits from a lifetime of spiritual study, formal practice, training and personal experience. Within this there’s a consistent thread of mindfulness based meditation, supported by loving awareness, concentration and compassion, first learnt on retreat in the forests of Thailand and continued in self-practice and on retreat in the UK.
His healing journey over the last 20 years has taken in analysis, hypnotherapy, acupuncture and psychedelic plant medicine. These he combines with external practices too, most predominantly strength and fitness training, as well as yoga and martial arts, and most recently somatic sexual healing, breathwork and cold exposure.
His synthesis of these has led him to discover a natural, embodied simplicity to his understanding of wellbeing and spirit. His journey speaks to the truth that if we want to, and if we’re willing to address the habitual patterns stored in our bodies, we can open to pleasure, conscious connection, and self-love to live guided by the body’s own wisdom.
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We’re running a competition to win Made by Cooper products, as well as some ceremonial grade cacao in order to take part in an online cacao ceremony run by Marcela, all to celebrate our launch. To enter please subscribe on your favourite platform, download the first three episodes and leave us a review, then send us a screenshot of your review to firstname.lastname@example.org. Closing date Nov 30, 2020.
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Thanks for listening, we hope you enjoy it, we’ll be back with more shows every 2nd and 4th Monday of the month, and remember, listen to your body because your body knows.