The Deconstructed Drummer Podcast

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the Deconstructed Drummer. I’m Jeff Doukakis, and thanks for checking it out. This is a conversation with Lozz Benson. Lozz is a fantastic drummer, singer and songwriter who has a pretty incredible list of artists she’s worked with, including John Butler Trio, Urthboy, Missy Higgins, Tonight Alive, as well as recording with Paul Kelly, Sandy Evans, All our exes live in Texas and many more. You can also check out her own projects - Benson and the Outlaws, Ginger Jones and that redhead. I’d followed Lozz for a little while now, but what really made me sit up and take notice was when I saw a blog appear - called “Touring: A Lifestyle”, which is about wellbeing both on and off the road. The conversation about mental health is one that has been steadily opening up more and more, and something that I’ve talked about a lot on this podcasts, and Lozz has been really upfront and open on the blog about her own journey, and also has interviewed some amazing musicians about how they’ve managed to work long term with touring. Lozz was kind enough to sit down and have a chat about all things music, touring, mental health, creativity, songwriting and a bunch of other stuff as well too. She’s also got a lot of really great practical information as well. It was a pleasure chatting with Lozz, and I think you’ll dig it. Please enjoy my conversation with Lozz Benson. Lozz Benson (Benson & The Outlaws, Ginger Jones, Touring: A Lifestyle Blog) Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lozzbenson Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lozzbenson/ Website: http://lozzbenson.com/ Blog: https://touringalifestyle.wixsite.com/touringalifestyle/blog-1 Any questions, feedback or comments just get in touch! Facebook - www.facebook.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/ Instagram - www.instagram.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/

Welcome to episode 23! This is a conversation with Robin stone. Robin’s an extreme metal drummer who plays with Norse, Somnium Nox, Convulsing and a whole bunch of other bands. He also specialises in remote session work as well. I had so much fun with this interview. Robin is hilarious, and so passionate about what he does. I’m not a metal drummer, and I’ve definitely fallen into the trap of dismissing extreme styles of music because I didn't understand them, but in the last few years as I’ve gotten more exposure to heavier music I’ve definitely come to respect and admire the dedication and work that it takes to be able to play blast beats at extreme tempos. Talk about reps. These guys have put in hundreds of Hours of work to get there, and it was great to get some context on the genre and to dig into why someone would be willing to dedicate that amount of time to playing really, really fast. So we cover a lot of ground. We talk about growing up in a super religious community, what it was like hearing extreme metal for the first time, how important listening is when working on blast beats, remote sessions, tension vs pain, DXP bass drum pedals and a whole bunch of other stuff. So here it is, I think you’ll dig it. Robin Stone (Norse, Somnium Nox, Convulsing & many more) Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/forge.wintre Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robin_stone_drums/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/slipbik/ Robin proudly endorses: Sonor Drums Axis Pedals Rech Cymbals Ibbotson “Fishsticks” sticks Any questions, feedback or comments just get in touch! Facebook - www.facebook.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/ Instagram - www.instagram.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/

Welcome to Episode 22! This is a conversation I had with Stan Bicknell. Stan’s got a pretty rich pedigree as a player, and has previously played with Kimbra, Miami Horror, Ekka Vandal and The New Caledonia as well as setting up and running a drum shed community called Drummers Summit Melbourne with Stevie Cat Jr. It’s been really interesting to see Stan grow over the last few years since he made the decision to stop touring, and to see his instagram profile explode from his foot technique videos. What I really loved was that Stan was under no illusions of grandeur, and was a big advocate for simply doing the work on the instrument. He also didn’t seem to play by any of the social media “rules” that seem to have been imposed. Posting schedules, cheesy questions to promote engagement, paying for post promotion or anything like that. In fact right at the height of his “fame" he proceeded to delete all his old material and limit his profile to a small number of posts. All things that anyone would be advised not to do in that situation. Not to mention all of the famous posts were filmed with an iPhone on a milk crate resting against a water bottle at the Rumble Coffee warehouse... Stan’s the first guest that I’ve had on that has already been on a bunch of podcasts, so I was really conscious of not wanting to go over the same things that he’s already talked about. So if you’re wanting info about how he started playing drums, foot technique, his drumeo appearance and his decision to stop touring there’s a bunch of other podcasts that have covered this, and I’d recommend in particular his appearances on the Drum Gab (now Drumeo Gab) and the NZ drummer podcast. What I really wanted to dig into is how Stan thinks about life. He’s a fascinating guy that has a real thread of deliberateness running through everything that he does, and has worked his ass off to be able to have a life that is full of things that he has chosen to do, not things that have been dictated by others. We talk about a bunch of stuff as per usual. Mental Health, Routines, Creative fulfilment, Comparison, the idea of just showing up, disconnecting money and creativity, making difficult decisions and handling burnout. So just for some context I’d just come off a pretty heavy 2 year gig when we recorded this interview, and while my playing was probably in the best shape it had ever been, my desire to actually play the drums was the lowest that it had ever been. It’s something that almost everyone has or will deal with at some time, but yet it’s not something that seems to be discussed in great detail. So we dig into that as well and reassessing the role that drums play in life as well. So here it is. Please enjoy my conversation with Stan Bicknell. Stan Bicknell Instagram: www.instagram.com/stanbicknell Youtube: www.youtube.com/user/stanbicknell Rumble Coffee Instagram: www.instagram.com/rumblecoffee/ Website: https://www.rumblecoffee.com.au/ Stan proudly endorses: Yamaha Drums Zildjian Cymbals & Sticks Remo Drumheads Mee Audio IEM’s & Headphones Rooster Thrones Allbirds Shoes Recommended podcast appearances: Drumeo Gab episode 99 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/stan-bicknell-round-two/id1189424485?i=1000422906856 Drumeo Gab Episode 29 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-29-stan-bicknell/id1189424485?i=1000389266555 NZ Drummer Podcast http://andrewrooney.net/ep-25-stan-bicknell/ Stan’s Drumeo Live lesson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IfVRa2xxwE Any questions, feedback or comments just get in touch! Facebook - www.facebook.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/ Instagram - www.instagram.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/

Welcome to Episode 21! This is a conversation with SeanIsaac Tng. Sean is a young Sydney based drummer who I first encountered at a drum shed in the hills district of Sydney a few years ago. He would have been 16 or 17 at that time I’m pretty sure, and already was playing stuff that I couldn’t even comprehend. So he’d been on my radar since then, and late last year let me know that he was starting an online drumming company called “Ready2drum”, and asked if I’d be interested in being involved as a part of the tutors network. Starting any online business is an ambitious move, and to put something together that is well designed, well thought out and looks professional is huge. Especially to do so when there’s huge players in the online scene like Mike Johnston and Drumeo, so I was really interested in having a chat with Sean about this. I didn’t want this to be a “product pitch” or anything like that, as not only do I think that would seem out of place on the podcast, but I’m also not really interested in something that feels forced like that. I wanted this to be a conversation where you got some background on Sean, and then discuss the reality of putting together an online business, what he thought was missing from existing platforms, and the trials and tribulations that come with that. Add to that the fact that Sean is only 22 years old. Yep... I was really impressed with how much thought and insight he’s got at such a young age, and really enjoyed getting to sit down with him. We talk about church drumming, how that translates to “regular” gigging, the logistics and challenges of launching an online drumming site, parental expectations, perfectionism, presenting your first drum clinics and a whole lot of other stuff. So here it is. Please enjoy my conversation with SeanIsaac Tng. SeanIsaac Tng (Ready2Drum, Jai Waetford) Facebook: www.facebook.com/Ready2Drum Instagram: www.instagram.com/seanisaac_tng & www.instagram.com/ready2drum Website: https://ready2drum.com/ SeanIsaac proudly endorses: DW Drums Evans Drumheads Promark Drumsticks 64Audio Any questions, feedback or comments just get in touch! Facebook - www.facebook.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/ Instagram - www.instagram.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/

Welcome to Episode 19! This is a conversation with Ben Ellingworth. Aria Award winning drummer for Illy, drummer for Warflags and a fantastic session player. He’s worked with acts ranging from Pop Will Eat Itself to Peking duck and Clairy Brown, and is the ex drummer for both MM9 and Switchkicker. I first met Ben when he was working at Billy Hydes Drumcraft in Surry Hills, and I can distinctly remember seeing him play for the first time at the Annandale with Switchkicker. I walked away speechless after that gig. Ben had such an amazing sound and presence, and was one of the first guys I saw using a hybrid setup to it’s full potential. So damn good! It’s been such a pleasure to watch Ben go from strength to strength, including winning an Aria award for his work with Illy! We cover a lot in this conversation: Moving to Melbourne, what it means to “network”, growing up on the Central Coast, his tattoo and the philosophy behind that. (p=p-i). Plus we even talk a little bit about drums. It was such a blast to get to chat with Ben, please enjoy! Ben Ellingworth Illy (Aria Award Winner), Warflags, Pop Will Eat Itself, ex MM9 + Switchkicker. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/benj_elling/ Ben proudly endorses: Yamaha Drums & Electronics Paiste Cymbals Remo Drumheads Los Cabos Drumsticks Ben’s #Drumlife video on Dan Kirby’s DK drums youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVI_QZg-6jQ&t=44s The book mentioned with the "P = P - I" formula is The Inner Game of Music. Any questions, feedback or comments just get in touch! Facebook - www.facebook.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/ Instagram - www.instagram.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/

Welcome to episode 13! I’m really, really pumped to be releasing this episode, which is a conversation with Dave Goodman, who’s a Sydney based drummer and teacher. I first heard Dave play before I even moved to Sydney. I went to see an early gig at the Side On Cafe in Annandale, and after a couple of beers decided I’d stay for the late gig as well. There was a drummer setting up a sonor kit and some amazing looking old K cymbals, and holy shit! Dave was like liquid around the kit, and he’ll give me shit for the comparison, but was the closest thing to Vinnie that I’d seen. I went to say thanks afterwards, and complimented him on his cymbal sound, and he couldn’t have been cooler, and pulled out both his newer K Constantimoples and the old Turkish K’s that he had and got me to play them so I could hear the similarities and differences. That really stuck in my mind, and set a precedent for how I try to act at gigs when someone comes up to say hi. I got to know Dave after that from working in drum shops around Sydney, and he’s always been a very articulate and deep thinking guy to chat to. So when he agreed to do the podcast I was equal parts nervous and excited, and started to get my research going on. Dave’s done some serious study in his time. From studying in Australia with Jim Piesse to travelling to New York to study with both Jim Chapin and Joe Morello, and to top it off writing 100000 words including 100 pages of transcription for his PHD on Tony Williams. I got to sit down with Dave at his house, and before I knew it we’d broken the 2 hour mark. Initially I was going to try to edit the episode down, but like usual I didn’t feel like I could do that without losing some absolute gems, so here it is in it’s entirety. Enjoy! Dave Goodman (Independent/Educator) Facebook https://www.facebook.com/davegoodmandrummer/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/davegoodmanmusic/ Website https://davegoodman.com.au/ Check out Dave’s playing on Steve Barry’s new album “Blueprints & Vignettes" https://stevebarrymusic.bandcamp.com/album/blueprints-vignettes Dave proudly endorses Sonor Drums, Bosphorus Cymbals, Remo Drumheads, Vater Sticks, DW Pedals & Hardware, Roc-N-Soc Thrones. Any questions, feedback or comments just get in touch! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/

Here's a little taste of Episode 13. Dave Goodman (Independent/Educator)talks about his study in New York with Jim Chapin and Joe Morello, as well as some info on Jim's perspective on the Moeller Technique as originally taught by Moeller himself. Full Episode will be out on 17/4/18. Dave Goodman (Independent/Educator) Facebook https://www.facebook.com/davegoodmandrummer/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/davegoodmanmusic/ Website https://davegoodman.com.au/ Dave proudly endorses Sonor Drums, Bosphorus Cymbals, Remo Drumheads, Vater Sticks, DW Pedals & Hardware, Roc-N-Soc Thrones. Any questions, feedback or comments just get in touch! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/

Welcome to episode 12 of The Deconstructed Drummer Podcast, which is a conversation with Eli Green, who’s an Adelaide based drummer and teacher. Eli has been on my radar for a little while now, but it wasn’t until I started doing my research that I found exactly how versatile he is on the kit. From throwing down with Life Pilot to playing delicate emotional tunes with Hen I’ve been blown away at how Eli is able to stay authentic and serve the music with all of the acts he plays with. We cover a lot of ground, but there’s a definite thread of authenticity and deliberateness in music and life. I had a blast, and I think you will too. Eli Green (Life Pilot, Hen, The Mark of Cain) Facebook https://www.facebook.com/EliGreenDrums/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/eligreendrums/ Website https://eligreenmusic.com/ Eli proudly endorses C&C Drums, Dream Cymbals and Drumtacs. Any questions, feedback or comments just get in touch! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/

Welcome to episode 10 of the Deconstructed Drummer Podcast. Episode 10 is special. Dale Cleary is probably not someone that you’ve heard of. I met Dale when I was working at Drum City, and he was teaching in the studios out the back. Dale is probably one of the best teachers that I know, especially with young students. He’s managed to get results with his students that blow my mind! So I wanted to tell his story. As I got to know Dale more he started to tell me little stories about his upbringing, his martial arts, his playing and his teaching, and he’s in the running for the most interesting man alive. But one of the big pieces of motivation was the fact that for a while there it looked like we were going to lose Dale. He’d been diagnosed with a particularly aggressive form of Leukaemia, and it was touch and go for a while, which he talks about in the interview. We also cover a lot about education, teaching, the future of drumming , martial arts and the responsibility of being a teacher. So here you go folks. Enjoy! Dale Cleary (Master Teacher, Percussionist) Email: cleary.dale@gmail.com Dale proudly endorses Sakae Drums & Espíritu Brazilian Percussion. Recorded on location at the Drum & Percussion Co-op in Enmore, NSW. https://www.facebook.com/drumsandpercussioncoop/ Any questions, feedback or comments just get in touch! Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thedeconstructeddrummer/

Adrian “Red” Herbert (Steve Edmonds Band, Freelance Percussionist) Facebook (http://bit.ly/2q8ERW7) Instagram (http://bit.ly/2q9262l) Twitter (http://bit.ly/2q8FHT3) Email reddogdrum@hotmail.com Youtube (http://bit.ly/2q8LJmG) Red is my brother from another mother in the Steve Edmonds band. He's an amazing percussionist, and a highly accomplished drummer who's played with everyone from Stevie Wright to Segression as well as having held the world record for playing drums for 57 hours and 3 mins!!! We go deep about drums, life, music, percussion and everything in between. Currently Playing With The Steve Edmonds Band (http://bit.ly/2q902rd) Dr Farquhar (http://bit.ly/2q8HJCJ) Endorsed Companies LP Percussion (http://bit.ly/2q8Ua19) Tama Drums (http://bit.ly/2q98tCU) Aquarian Drumheads (http://bit.ly/2q93ouf) Sabian Cymbals (http://bit.ly/2q99H0O) Drumtacs (http://bit.ly/2q9azml) & also plays Vic Firth (http://bit.ly/2q9aOOk) Q Drum Co - Cocktail kit (http://bit.ly/2q9drQf) 3 Drummers (+ Extras) Ben Ellingworth (http://bit.ly/2q959Yn) Lucius Borich (http://bit.ly/2pTvqNW) Adrian Griffin (http://bit.ly/2q95smc) Syd Green (http://bit.ly/2pc2m3h) James Mac (http://bit.ly/2q8I1Jt) Drummers Mentioned: Michael Iveson (http://bit.ly/2q9b6ol) Darren Brollo (http://bit.ly/2q92uOu) Gordon Rytmeister (http://bit.ly/2q94Vk5) David Jones (http://bit.ly/2q92q16) Andy Gander (http://bit.ly/2nmmlJo) Kenny Aronoff (http://bit.ly/2q98Xc0) Jeff Porcaro (http://bit.ly/2q95ABX) Benny Greb (http://bit.ly/2pbYXBh) Dave Elitch (http://bit.ly/2q95Ukb) Richie Garcia (http://bit.ly/2q94yGe) Lenny Castro (http://bit.ly/2q8IaN7) Glen Sobel (http://bit.ly/2q98J51) Chad Wackerman (http://bit.ly/2q97l1X) Greg @ The Drum Cartel (http://bit.ly/2q94ZjG) Brian Tichy (http://bit.ly/2q97qTj) Matt Cameron (http://bit.ly/2q96VJ7) Fab Omodei (http://bit.ly/2q96qyD) Sunil Da Silva (http://bit.ly/2q9a4bG) Tubby Wadsworth (http://bit.ly/2q8XIR1) Dan Kirby (http://bit.ly/2q8K3cO) Milan Troha (No Link Found) Books/Podcasts/Other Resources Lo-Tel (http://bit.ly/2q95had) Daniel Murton - Guitarist “Traps” Drumkit (http://bit.ly/2q8MCeW) Steve Edmonds - Guitarist (http://bit.ly/2q902rd) Caxixi (http://bit.ly/2q8KXpG) Gahate Bracket (LP) (http://bit.ly/2q96Wg4) Toto IV (Album) (http://bit.ly/2q9dpHK) Segression (http://bit.ly/2q8LeZK) “That Video” of Dave Elitch (http://bit.ly/2q936nh) Stoneyard (No current link found) The Black Crows Albums Amorica (http://bit.ly/2q9iwI2) Album with Remedy (http://bit.ly/2q9bfYJ) Stevie Wright (http://bit.ly/2q8MtYU) Triple J Radio (http://ab.co/2q8D9Ew) CanTeen - Charity (http://bit.ly/2q9ez6r) Roadrunner Records (http://bit.ly/2q8OZ1n) Other Bands Mentioned Slipknot The Mars Volta John Denver Phil Collins Diana Ross Soundgarden Reef Michael Jackson Madonna Cyndi Lauper Backstreet Boys Elton John Hatebreed Shadow’s Fall Soulfly Slayer Pantera Steely Dan Boz Scaggs The Travelling Wilburys Thunder Monkeys Screaming Jets Baby Animals BB Steel Def Leopard Parkway Drive 28 Days Killing Time/Mantissa Killing Heidi Cold Chisel Midnight Oil Moving Pictures

Syd Green (19-Twenty, Producer/Engineer) Facebook (http://bit.ly/2pc2m3h) Website (http://bit.ly/2pc2rUD) Currently playing with: 19-Twenty (http://bit.ly/2pbQyOo) 3 Aussie Drummers that you should know more about: Evan Mannell (http://bit.ly/2pc0iYR) Jessica June (http://bit.ly/2qrnvDO) Plus the great Lucius Borich (http://bit.ly/2pTvqNW) Drummers Mentioned: Benny Greb (http://bit.ly/2pbYXBh) Chad Smith (http://bit.ly/2pcpA9l) Steve Gadd - 50 ways to leave your Lover groove (http://bit.ly/2qcGORi) Matt Halpern (http://bit.ly/2plc17w) Mike Johnston (http://bit.ly/2plejDL) Russ Miller (http://bit.ly/2plcXZo) Chad Smith (http://bit.ly/2pleC1f) Bands/Books/Podcasts/Other Resources: Mantissa/Killing Time (http://bit.ly/2pcH1Xb) Jimmy Page (http://bit.ly/2pcFUGX) Terry Date - Producer (http://bit.ly/2pcAcEZ) Pantera - Vulgar Display of Power (http://bit.ly/2pcnmXB) Sound Garden - Badmotorfinger (http://bit.ly/2pcy8wZ) John Farnham (http://bit.ly/2pcyvHM) DW Drums (http://bit.ly/2pcvmHM) Protools (http://bit.ly/2pVQr7n) Iota - Artist (http://bit.ly/2pclfmm) Iota - Big Grandfather (Album) (http://bit.ly/2pVN68f) Michael Letho - Engineer (http://bit.ly/2pVNl39) Sarah Humphries (http://bit.ly/2qcsl7Q) Sarah Humphries - New Moon (Album) (http://ab.co/2qcxbSj) Eagle & The Wolf (http://bit.ly/2qcF4HK) Kasey Chambers (http://bit.ly/2qcCamd) Nash Chambers (http://bit.ly/2qcCnpv) Bill Chambers - Guitar (http://bit.ly/2qcIdHc) Liz Frencham - Bass (http://bit.ly/2qcGS3e) Kenny Werner - Effortless Mastery (http://bit.ly/2pc4rff) Annie Lennox (http://bit.ly/2pkZWPR) Jane’s Addiction (http://bit.ly/2pld1IZ) Red Hot Chilli Peppers (http://bit.ly/2pcuIdH) Christ Art Museum (http://bit.ly/2pJV2gd) Grebfruit - Benny Greb (http://bit.ly/2pJTXFc) Steve Maxwell’s NY (http://bit.ly/2pJWi2V) Main Drag Music (http://bit.ly/2qr87rc) Green Mountain Drums (http://bit.ly/2pKdxBd) Benny Greb - The Language of Drumming DVD (http://bit.ly/2qqVlIU) Davon Carty (Anguillia) - (http://bit.ly/2qs5JAr) Ribbon Microphones (http://bit.ly/2qrcRwJ) Understanding Audio Phase and Correcting Issues (http://bit.ly/2qqWPCY) Microphone Polar Patterns explaination (http://bit.ly/2qr4C43) Ray Beadle (http://bit.ly/2qrizin) The Tommyhawks (http://bit.ly/2qqXu7q)

Luke Davison Facebook (http://bit.ly/2omWd0n) Instagram (http://bit.ly/2nWHdtz) Currently playing with: The Preatures (http://bit.ly/2nrjAbf) Pat Capocci (http://bit.ly/2n99uJR) Luke proudly endorses: C&C Drums (http://bit.ly/2oaWcgR) Instanbul Agop Cymbals (http://bit.ly/2naQAkU) Vic Firth Sticks (http://bit.ly/2nG3IlS) 3 Aussie Drummers that Luke thinks you should know are: Andy Gander (http://bit.ly/2nmmlJo) Pete Drummond (http://bit.ly/2n89U24) Dave Goodman (http://bit.ly/2mHdchE) + Bonus Leigh Fisher (http://bit.ly/2omPCDb) Drummers Mentioned: Questlove (http://bit.ly/27H3uKF) Josh Freese (http://bit.ly/2nEciS4) Gareth Thompson (http://bit.ly/2n930dN) Bill Bachman (http://bit.ly/2omUJTX) Tony Royster Jr (http://bit.ly/2nmwdD8) Ilan Rubin (http://bit.ly/2o8sIzR) Carter McClean(http://bit.ly/2nEfzRw) Taylor Douglas (http://bit.ly/2lXspJP) Mike Johnston (http://bit.ly/2n8g6Hs) Kenny Werner (http://bit.ly/2o8AE4s) Steve Hass (http://bit.ly/2nmkrse) Mark Guiliana (http://bit.ly/2nZgX27) Jim Gordon (http://bit.ly/2omNCuF) Joey Waronker (http://bit.ly/2nEamJA) Books/Podcasts/Other Resources The Straight A Conspiricy (http://bit.ly/2n8eWfb) Drumworkout.com (http://bit.ly/2omUJTX) Joey Waronker loop pack - Loop Loft (http://bit.ly/2nWz34h) Nigel Goodridge - Producer/Engineer (http://bit.ly/2on4oK3) Mymusicmasterclass.com Steve Hass Lesson (http://bit.ly/2n99WHT) Steely Dan - Pretzel Logic (http://bit.ly/2omSekm) Triple J “Beat The Drum” set by The Preatures (http://bit.ly/2o8G5QW) N.B. The “Oh shit” moment we talked about kicks off at about 15:40. “Exploring your Creativity on the Drumset" - Mark Guiliana (http://bit.ly/2nmlCrz) Hal Blane’s I’d Hit That Interview (http://bit.ly/2o8Fezq) I’d Hit That Podcast (http://bit.ly/2omPDXI) Carol Kaye Sight Reading Book (http://bit.ly/2nZrFFZ) The Wrecking Crew Documentary (http://bit.ly/1AmlkP5)