
The Fire These Times
By Joey Ayoub
Each week, Lebanese writer Joey Ayoub brings you conversations at the intersection of politics, history, philosophy, culture, science, and all the fun stuff in between. It is a project born out of my conviction that doing so requires an interdisciplinary and intersectional approach to understanding our complex world.
Named after the James Baldwin book 'The Fire Next Time', this is a podcast about tackling the 21st century.
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Cover art by Wenyi Geng.
Named after the James Baldwin book 'The Fire Next Time', this is a podcast about tackling the 21st century.
To subscribe and get exclusive perks: patreon.com/firethesetimes
Cover art by Wenyi Geng.

Special: On Having a Kid in the Climate Apocalypse w/ Michael J. DeLuca
The Fire These Times • By Joey Ayoub • May 27
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115/ Seeking Refuge on the World's Deadliest Migration Route w/ Sally Hayden
This is a conversation with Sally Hayden, an Irish journalist and writer. A foreign correspondent, she has reported from Sudan, Ethiopia, Uganda and Rwanda. Her book My Fourth Time, We Drowned, an investigation into the so-called migrant crisis in Europe, was published in 2022.
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Recommended Books:
A Stricken Field: A Novel by Martha Gellhorn
What Strange Paradise by Omar El Akkad
The Volunteer: One Man, an Underground Army, and the Secret Mission to Destroy Auschwitz by Jack Fairweather
Sally Rooney said this about the book: “The most important work of contemporary reporting I have ever read. Every citizen of the European Union has not only a right, but also a responsibility, to learn about the realities described in this book. I hope that Sally Hayden’s work can help to begin a radically new and overdue discussion about Europe’s approach to migration and borders.”
01:05:45
July 01, 2022

114/ Nostalgia in the Periphery w/ Efe Levent x Mangal Media
This is a conversation with Efe Levent, editor-in-chief at Mangal Media about their recent 'Nostalgia in the Periphery' project.
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Substack: thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter: twitter.com/fireTheseTimes
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TikTok: Tiktok.com/@thefirethesetimes
Recommended Books:
Nostalgia in the Periphery by Mangal Media
The People in the Trees by Hanya Yanagihara
The Time Regulation Institute by Ahmet Hamdi Tanpınar
Interior Chinatown by Charles Yu
01:11:36
June 24, 2022

113/ A View on Ukraine, Hong Kong & Tiananmen, from Taiwan w/ Wen Liu & Brian Hioe
This is a conversation with Wen Liu and Brian Hioe, authors of the piece "From Taiwan to Ukraine" on Spectre. This episode was co-hosted by Romeo Kokriatski, co-host of the podcast "Ukraine Without Hype."
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Substack: thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter: twitter.com/fireTheseTimes
Instagram: instagram.com/firethesetimes
Recommended Books:
Reorienting Hong Kong's Resistance Leftism, Decoloniality, and Internationalism, edited by Wen Liu, JN Chien, Christina Chung, Ellie Tse
The People's Republic of Amnesia: Tiananmen Revisited by Louisa Lim
The Impossible City: A Hong Kong Memoir by Karen Cheung
01:28:16
June 17, 2022

112/ From Yarmouk to the World: On Syria, Palestine and Lebanon w/ Nidal Betare
Nidal Betare joins Joey Ayoub to talk about growing up in Yarmouk, being Palestinian-Syrian and the links between Syria, Palestine and Lebanon.
Patreon: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter: twitter.com/fireTheseTimes
Instagram: instagram.com/firethesetimes
Recommended Books:
Samir Kassir's books:
ديمقراطية سوريا واستقلال لبنان: البحث عن ربيع دمشق، دار النهار، 2004
and
عسكر على مين؟: لبنان الجمهورية المفقودة، دار النهار، 2004
Serhy Yekelchyk: Ukraine: What Everyone Needs to Know
01:27:29
June 10, 2022

111/ What is Happening in Tigray? w/ Teklehaymanot Weldemichel
Stop #TigrayGenocide.
Tigrayan academic Teklehaymanot Weldemichel joins Joey Ayoub to talk about what's been happening in Tigray.
Resources:
Omna Tigray
Tghat
HRW Report: “We Will Erase You from This Land”
Art by Tigray Art Collective.
Recommended Books:
George Orwell - Animal Farm
Hannah Arendt - The Origins of Totalitarianism
Roméo Dallaire - Shake Hands with the Devil
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Website: TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter: twitter.com/fireTheseTimes
Instagram: instagram.com/firethesetimes
01:22:53
June 03, 2022

Special: On Having a Kid in the Climate Apocalypse w/ Michael J. DeLuca
This is a special episode in which Michael J. DeLuca reads out an essay he wrote for Issue 2 of Reckoning entitled 'On Having a Kid in the Climate Apocalypse'. The episode includes an updated intro by Michael as well.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Photo by Oxana Lyashenko on Unsplash
19:46
May 27, 2022

110/ Climate Narratives that Go Beyond the Apocalypse w/ Alyssa Hull
This is a conversation with Alyssa Hull who splits her time between teaching high school biology and environmental science and writing speculative fiction.
We spoke about what it's like to talk to high school students about climate change, the role of fiction like Solarpunk and how to improve climate communication. The article she wrote that we reference is called 'Hopepunk and Solarpunk: On Climate Narratives That Go Beyond the Apocalypse' for LitHub.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Games mentioned:
Mutazione
Cloud Gardens
Common'Hood
Recommended Books:
Parable of the Sower - Octavia Butler
The Nutmeg's Curse: Parables for a Planet in Crisis - Amitav Gosh
Underland: A Deep Time Journey - Robert Macfarlane
01:06:59
May 20, 2022

109/ Pro-Palestine Activism, Anti-Authoritarianism and Democracy in the Arab World w/ Dana El-Kurd
This is a conversation with Dana El-Kurd, her second time on the podcast. We spoke about a paper that she wrote entitled "Gateway to dissent: the role of pro-Palestine activism in opposition to authoritarianism."
We primarily spoke about the role of pro-Palestine activism in pro-democracy movements in the Arab world (with examples from Qatar, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Bahrain, the UAE and Saudi Arabia) and also about how pro-Palestine discourse is used to whitewash authoritarianism, especially in the West.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Recommended Books:
عزمي بشارة - المجتمع المدني
Joyful Militancy: Building Thriving Resistance in Toxic Times (Anarchist Interventions) by Carla Bergman and Nick Montgomery
Queer Palestine and the Empire of Critique by Sa'ed Atshan
Contested Modernity: Sectarianism, Nationalism, and Colonialism in Bahrain by Omar Al-Shehabi
01:41:32
May 13, 2022

108/ What Asexuality Says About Society w/ Angela Chen
This is a conversation with Angela Chen, author of the book 'Ace: What Asexuality Reveals About Desire, Society, and the Meaning of Sex'.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
This isn't an Asexuality 101 episode. Feel free to look up the basics if you want. There are loads of asexuals who do explain what it means, Angela Chen's book including. This episode is more about what asexuality says about our societies.
And as I'm notoriously crap at explaining why I like the books I like, I am going to read a paragraph written by Sarah Neilson for them.us which summarizes really well why Chen's book matters: "The crux of society’s difficulty with accepting asexuality is, Chen argues, because compulsory sexuality is ingrained in societal narratives about mental and physical health, politics and liberation, and interpersonal relationships. Compulsory sexuality posits that sex is a primal human need, ties sex to maturity, and places sex in relationship hierarchies. Even in the queer community, though we hate to be oversexualized by the straights, we often sexualize ourselves and each other. And while queer sex is indeed liberating for allosexuals (or those that do experience sexual attraction), so is the ability not to have sex. Chen argues, through a fantastic blend of nuanced and clear-eyed reporting, research, and personal reflection, that true liberation requires the dismantling of compulsory sexuality." So yeah, this book is great.
Recommended Books:
Minimizing Marriage: Morality, Marriage, and the Law by Elizabeth Brake
Refusing Compulsory Sexuality: A Black Asexual Lens on Our Sex-Obsessed Culture by Sherronda J. Brown
More Than Friends by Rhaina Cohen
56:47
May 06, 2022

107/ Black Anarchism, Abolition and the Radical Tradition w/ William C. Anderson
This is a conversation with William C. Anderson, author of the book The Nation on No Map (AK Press 2021) and co-author of As Black as Resistance (AK Press 2018). He’s also the co-founder of Offshoot Journal and provides creative direction as a producer of the Black Autonomy Podcast.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Topics Discussed:
Long conversation on Black anarchism
The influence of Zen Buddhism
Seeing the world as a janitor
Critiques of black nationalism, capitalism and liberalism
The legacy of slavery and Reconstruction on Black people in the US
Tensions between ‘reform’ and ‘revolution’
The legacy of the Black Panthers Party
Internationalism vs Intercomunalism
Afro-futurism and Solarpunk
Recommended Books:
A Map to the Door of No Return by Dionne Brand
The Terms of Order: Political Science and the Myth of Leadership by Cedric J. Robinson
Facing Reality by C.L.R. James and Grace C. Lee
The James Baldwin clip I mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAmL3F5uylo&feature=emb_imp_woyt
01:40:08
April 29, 2022

🌻 Ukraine Special: 3. The threads that bind us from Syria to Ukraine
This episode is a multilingual online encounter, part of the Post-Extractive Futures series, co-produced by War on Want, Tipping Point UK, JunteGente, and The Fire These Times project. I was the moderator.
Guests: Yassin al Haj Saleh, who will be speaking in English, is a Syrian writer and former political prisoner. He is author of several books on Syria, prison, contemporary Islam, intellectual responsibility, and experiences of the atrocious. He is the husband of Samira al Khalil, who was abducted by an armed Islamist group in Douma in December 2013. He now lives in Berlin.
Wafa Mustafa, who will also be speaking in English, is a Syrian activist, a journalist, a survivor of detention. Mustafa comes from Masyaf, a city in the Hama governorate in western Syria. She left the country on 9 July 2013, exactly a week after her father was forcibly disappeared by the regime in Damascus. In her advocacy, Mustafa covers the impact of detention on young girls, women, and families.
Yuliya Yurchenko, who will also be speaking in English, is a senior lecturer in political economy at the department of economics and international business and a researcher at the political economy, governance, finance, and accountability institute at the University of Greenwich, UK. She is the author of Ukraine and the Empire of Capital, which was published by Pluto Press in 2017. She researches state, capital, and society relations as well as public services as a commons with a regional focus on Europe and Ukraine.
Taras Bilous, who will be speaking in Ukrainian, is a Ukrainian historian and an activist of the Social Movement Organization. As an editor of for Commons, a journal of social critique, he covers the topics of war and nationalism. He has recently written quite a lot of articles, including “A Letter to the Western Left from Kiev” as well as “The Left in the West Must Rethink.”
Transcription and YouTube video available on the website: https://thefirethisti.me/2022/04/21/podcast-the-threads-that-bind-us-from-syria-to-ukraine/
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Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
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01:48:36
April 22, 2022

106/ Football is Political: #Qatar2022, Russia and What Comes Next w/ Musa Okwonga and Justin Salhani
This is a conversation with Justin Salhani of 'Oh My Goal' and Musa Okwonga (his 4th time on the pod) of 'Stadio' about football, politics and human rights. We talked about the upcoming world cup in Qatar, the role of dirty money in football (including Russian, Emirati and Saudi) and what might come next.
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Recommended Books:
The Ball is Round: A Global History of Soccer by David Goldblatt (Musa)
Soccer in Sun and Shadow by Eduardo Galeano (Musa)
Football Against the Enemy by Simon Kuper (Musa)
You Have Not Yet Been Defeated by Alaa Abd El-Fattah (Justin)
The Queue by Basma Abdel Aziz (Justin)
The Billionaires Club: The Unstoppable Rise of Football’s Super-rich Owners by James Montague (Justin)
01:25:15
April 15, 2022

105/ What 'Living With Covid' Actually Means w/ Martin Paul Eve
This is a conversation with academic Martin Paul Eve, professor of Literature, Technology and Publishing at Birkbeck, University of London.
We spoke about his article 'just the first two years' about what the past two years of pandemic have been for him as someone with an autoimmune condition called panhypogammaglobulinemia. I found his article as I myself recently caught Covid following the Swiss government's decision to first reduce health measures, before removing them altogether. As many governments remove all remaining health measures, life is becoming increasingly difficult for many people, especially those who are disabled or immunocompromised. What does this say about our political culture if we allow this to become the norm? This is what this conversation was about. We focused on the UK and Switzerland as this is where we are, but this is applicable to many other countries as well.
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Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
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Recommended Books:
The Overstory by Richard Powers
Gravity's Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon
See Under: Love by David Grossman
Photo by visuals on Unsplash
54:00
April 08, 2022

104/ The Urgency of the IPCC Report w/ Dr Rupa Mukerji and Dr Lisa Schipper
This is a conversation with Dr Rupa Mukerji and Dr Lisa Schipper, both of whom worked on the most recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report.
What we talked about:
What you should know about the most recent IPCC report
In-depth exploration of the IPCC report
Understanding vulnerabilities to climate change
What is Maladaptation? With examples
Who takes action?
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Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Resources Mentioned:
Climate activists asking Europe to abandon Russian oil
Recommended Books:
Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami (Lisa)
Half of a Yellow Sun by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie (Lisa)
At Risk: Natural Hazards, People's Vulnerability and Disasters by Piers M. Blaikie, Terry Cannon, Ian Davis and Ben Wisner (Lisa)
The Great Derangement: Climate Change and the Unthinkable by Amitav Ghosh (Rupa)
Gun Island by Amitav Ghosh (Rupa)
The Gospel of the Eels by Patrik Svensson (Rupa)
01:06:48
April 01, 2022

🌻 Ukraine Special: 2. From Ukraine, with Love (and Anger) w/ Romeo Kokriatski
In light of what's been happening in Ukraine I am publishing a series of episodes that will bring in critical perspectives to understand what's happening and why it's happening.
The second episode is with Ukrainian journalist Romeo Kokriatski. He is managing editor at New Voice Ukraine, co-host of the Ukraine Without Hype podcast (go check it out) and has written for outlets such as Nihilist, Hromadske, Zaborona, and more.
PS: if my voice sounds weird here it's because I managed to get myself infected with COVID-19, so that's been fun.
Important note: this is not a news update. For news updates check the podcasts below:
Ukraine Without Hype by Romeo Kokriatski and A. Bartaway
Popular Front
Ukrainecast - BBC
The Ex-Worker
Talk Eastern Europe
Links on how to help Ukrainians:
https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1499492353261727760
+ https://twitter.com/Border_Violence/status/1497345941552209924
+ https://twitter.com/DocumentingMN/status/1498400897419956230
+ https://twitter.com/nii_ugre/status/1496846810761117700
+ https://linktr.ee/operation.solidarity
+ https://wiki.avtonom.org/en/index.php/Donate
Support:
Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
01:20:48
March 25, 2022

103/ The Periphery and Aimé Césaire's Ghosts in the Syrian Revolution w/ Fadi Bardawil
This is a conversation with Fadi Bardawil, his 2nd time on the podcast. Bardawil is an anthropologist who researches the Leftist tradition in the Arab world. In this episode, we talked about two essays he's written: "Forsaking the Syrian Revolution: An Anti-Imperialist Handbook" and "Critical Theory in a Minor Key to Take Stock of the Syrian Revolution".
What we talked about:
Thinking about the Syrian revolution
Aimé Césaire and Stalinism
Tension between Leftists in the Metropoles and Revolutionaries in the Peripheries
Learning from the Palestinian story
Domestic politics in the Metropoles becoming global politics
Focusing on wider trends instead of individual motives
Discourses that erase the Syrian revolution
Example of Hong Kong
Example of the Lebanese Left of the 60s
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
Recommended Books:
The Syrian Revolution: Between the Politics of Life and the Geopolitics of Death by Yasser Munif
الفظيع وتمثيله - ياسين الحاج صالح
Readings in Syrian Prison Literature: The Poetics of Human Rights by R. Shareah Taleghani
01:07:32
March 18, 2022

ARCHIVE: the Legacy of Chemical Weapons from Halabja to Ghouta w/ Sabrîna Azad
Today we commemorate the 1988 #HalabjaGenocide of Kurds by the Saddam Hussein regime.
I'm re-sharing Sabrîna Azad's 2020 episode on the long-term effects of chemical weapons and the shared trauma and solidarity between Halabja and Ghouta.
Azad is a writer who published a moving piece for Mangal Media entitled ‘From Halabja to Ghouta‘ in which she looked at how deniers of Assad’s war crimes in Syria were evoking painful memories for survivors of Saddam Hussein’s genocidal campaigns against Kurds. She spoke about the legacy of the Halabja massacre, part of the Anfal genocide of the late 80s, as well as the 1991 uprisings against Saddam and why they offer better insight into the world’s reaction to Syria since 2011 than the more frequently mentioned 2003 invasion of Iraq does.
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44:50
March 16, 2022

102/ On the Need to Shape the Arab Exile Body w/ Amro Ali
This is a conversation with Amro Ali, author of the essay "On the Need to Shape the Arab Exile Body in Berlin." He is also co-president of the Arab-German Young Academy of Sciences and Humanities, research fellow at the Freie Universität Berlin, and lecturer in sociology at the American University in Cairo (AUC).
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Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
What we talked about:
Moving from the centers to the peripheries
Why Berlin? And not London, Paris, New York or Istanbul
Berlin as an incomplete city and Germany's past
Germany and the Arabs
The Koblenz trial, accountability in Germany (but not in the Arab world)
January 25 and the legacy of the Arab Spring for the exile body
Home as the place where all attempts to escape cease
Valuing public spaces
Survivor's guilt and impostor's syndrome
Challenges faced by Arabs and other non-white people in Berlin
Meeting other Arabs for the first time in Europe
The need for a connection between Berlin and other capitals, such as Beirut or Tunis
Politics of language and the use of Arabic in the diaspora
Recommended Books:
City of Exiles: Berlin from the outside in by Stuart Braun
Representations of the Intellectual by Edward W. Said
Exile, Statelessness, and Migration: Playing Chess with History from Hannah Arendt to Isaiah Berlin by Seyla Benhabib
Resources Mentioned:
The Der Spiegel article: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/witness-defendant-deserter-case-in-germany-raises-questions-about-how-to-try-assad-s-atrocities-a-43d2817e-d85b-4378-b158-0c5001c345eb
Branch 251 Podcast
Previous episodes mentioned:
My Father and Syria’s Forcibly Disappeared (With Wafa Mustafa)
Space Travel, Nostalgia, and Retrofuturism (With Nat Muller)
That Cairo Concert, Mental Health and Growing Up Queer in Lebanon (With Hamed Sinno)
Why I stopped writing about Syria (With Asser Khattab)
Queerness, Literature and Revolution (With Saleem Haddad)
01:26:34
March 11, 2022

🌻 Ukraine Special: 1. A View From Syria w/ Leila Al-Shami
In light of what's been happening in Ukraine I am publishing a series of episodes that will, hopefully, bring in perspectives that are usually not platformed.
The first episode is with British-Syrian writer and activist Leila Al-Shami. She's the co-author of the book "Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War."
Important note: this is not a news update. For news updates check the podcasts below:
Ukraine Without Hype by Romeo Kokriatski and A. Bartaway
Popular Front
Ukrainecast - BBC
The Ex-Worker
Talk Eastern Europe
Links on how to help Ukrainians:
https://twitter.com/TimothyDSnyder/status/1499492353261727760
+ https://twitter.com/Border_Violence/status/1497345941552209924
+ https://twitter.com/DocumentingMN/status/1498400897419956230
+ https://twitter.com/nii_ugre/status/1496846810761117700
+ https://linktr.ee/operation.solidarity
+ https://wiki.avtonom.org/en/index.php/Donate
Relevant reading:
War in Ukraine: Ten Lessons from Syria - Crimethinc
Syrians recount horror under Russian air attacks - Al Jazeera
Why Ukraine Is a Syrian Cause - Yassin Al-Haj Saleh, DAWN
‘Our fates are united’: Syrians rally behind Ukraine after years of Russian torment - The Guardian
Safe, - Edge of Syria
The Fire These Times links:
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
56:12
March 07, 2022

101/ Mending the World: A Jewish-Arab Diaspora Conversation w/ Cindy Milstein
This is a conversation with Cindy Milstein, they (I wrongly used 'she' in the intro) are the editor of the book "There is Nothing so Whole as a Broken Heart: Mending the World As Jewish Anarchists"
Support: Patreon.com/firethesetimes
Website: http://TheFireThisTi.Me
Substack: https://thefirethesetimes.substack.com
Twitter + Instagram @ firethesetimes
What we talked about:
- Displacement as part of the Jewish experience Being diaspora (Jewish and Arab)
- Having communities without states
- Politics of language (Hebrew, Yiddish, Ladino etc)
- Authoritarianism and flattening our differences
- Jewish anarchism
- Hegemonic narratives in Europe (Examples of Dreyfus affair, Alsace, Berlin, Spain)
- Oral histories Tisha B'av, 1492, Tree of Life massacre and needing a language for grief
- Wrestling with difficulties
- Antisemitism on the right and the left
Recommended Books:
- An Unkindness of Ghosts by Rivers Solomon
- The Four Profound Weaves by R.B. Lemberg
- Pet by Akwaeke Emezi
Link to Yiddish, Ladino and Judeo-Arabic songs: https://twitter.com/FireTheseTimes/status/1486260615828021249
01:44:32
March 04, 2022

100/ The Story of Three Black Mothers: Louise Little, Berdis Baldwin and Albert King w/ Anna Malaika Tubbs
This is a conversation with Anna Malaika Tubbs, author of the book "The Three Mothers: How the Mothers of Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolm X and James Baldwin Shaped a Nation."
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What we talked about:
The lives of Berdis Baldwin, Louise Little and Alberta King and why their stories matter
Anna becoming a mother while writing a book about black motherhood
Their famous sons - James Baldwin, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr - eclipsing their own lives
Contextualizing their lives an the long history of violence against black women
The role of religion in their lives
Books Mentioned:
Righteous Discontent: The Women’s Movement in the Black Baptist Church, 1880–1920 by Evelyn Brooks Higginbotham
We Live for the We: The Political Power of Black Motherhood by Dani McClain
In Search of Our Mothers' Gardens by Alice Walker
The Mothers by Brit Bennett
52:12
February 25, 2022

ARCHIVE: Disinformation, Russia and Syrian-Ukrainian Solidarity w/ Peter Pomerantsev
Initially published in June 2020, I'm re-sharing this episode with Peter Pomerantsev with y'all because of what's been happening in Ukraine lately. I'm preparing a new episode on Ukraine but it's taking a bit of time because I want to make sure I'm well-read enough to be an engaging host.
Old link: https://thefirethisti.me/2020/06/24/31-disinformation-post-truth-and-what-to-do-about-them/
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46:30
February 23, 2022

99/ Inconvenient Findings and Enduring Hierarchies w/ Marie Berry and Milli Lake
This is a conversation with Marie E. Berry and Milli Lake, co-founders and principal investigators of the Women’s Rights After War Project. We primarily spoke about their article "on inconvenient findings" and their paper for Annual Reviews "women's rights after war: on gender interventions and enduring hierarchies"
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Topics Discussed:
The limitations of many 'women's empowerment' programs
What happens when research findings challenge the work that policy makers are invested in promoting? Example of degrowth and economics
Who gets excluded when certain interests (such as class) are maintained?
Examples of Rwanda, Bosnia and Lebanon
Narrowly-defined arena for justice
The three Dayton agreements (referencing the episode with Aida Hozic) and ongoing situation in Bosnia and Serbia
War logics in 'postwar' contexts
The USA as a 'postwar' country
Should we make inconvenient findings less inconvenient?
The idea of nation states
The role of futurism and speculative movements
Resources Mentioned:
69/ The Entrenched “Manliness” of Ethnic Power-sharing Peace Agreements (with Aida A. Hozić) https://thefirethisti.me/2021/03/28/69-the-entrenched-manliness-of-ethnic-power-sharing-peace-agreements-with-aida-a-hozic/
Recommended Books:
Revolutionary Mothering: Love on the Front Lines by Alexis Pauline Gumbs
Undrowned: Black Feminist Lessons from Marine Mammals by Alexis Pauline Gumbs
The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity by David Graeber and David Wengrow
Emergent Strategy: Shaping Change, Changing Worlds by adrienne maree brown
Pleasure Activism: The Politics of Feeling Good by adrienne maree brown
Holding Change: The Way of Emergent Strategy Facilitation and Mediation by adrienne maree brown
On Freedom: Four Songs of Care and Constraint by Maggie Nelson
Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge, and the Teachings of Plants by Robin Wall Kimmerer
01:28:33
February 18, 2022

Crossover: The Strange Amnesia of Lebanon's Wars w/ New Lines
This is a crossover episode with New Lines Podcast on the topic of 'postwar' Lebanon. A big thank you to New Lines’ Faisal Al Yafai and Lydia Wilson for hosting this conversation.
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01:11:54
February 11, 2022

98/ Space, Nostalgia and Retro-Futurism in Palestine and Lebanon w/ Nat Muller
This is a conversation with Nat Muller, an independent curator, writer and academic living between the UK and Amsterdam.
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She is an expert in contemporary art from the Middle East and curated the Danish pavilion at the 2019 Venice Biennale, showing Palestinian artist Larissa Sansour. She has curated shows at major venues, including Eye Film Museum Amsterdam, Stedelijk Museum Bureau Amsterdam, The Mosaic Rooms in London and ifa Gallery in Berlin. She is an AHRC Midlands3Cities-funded PhD student at Birmingham City University working on science fiction in contemporary art from the Middle East.
We primarily talked about her paper "Lunar Dreams: Space Travel, Nostalgia, and Retrofuturism in A Space Exodus and The Lebanese Rocket Society".
Topics Discussed:
Space travel and science fiction
Space travel and the Arab world
A Palestinian space exodus and the Lebanese Rocket Society
The prolonged present and stolen futures
The role of nostalgia
The mnemonic imagination
Who is space for?
It is easier to reach the moon than Jerusalem
The limitations of the nation state in Arabic science fiction
Afro-futurism
Resources Mentioned:
The Future Palestinian Present: https://www.mangalmedia.net/english//the-future-palestinian-present
Film: Erased, Ascent of the Invisible by Ghassan Halwani: https://joeyayoub.com/2019/12/01/ghassan-halwani-and-the-reclaiming-of-lebanons-imaginaries/
Film: Those Who Remain by Eliane Raheb
Film: Ila Ayn? by Georges Nasser
Film: Safar Barlik by Henry Barakat
The Legacy of the Great Lebanon Famine (with Lina Mounzer and Timour Azhari): https://thefirethisti.me/2021/07/16/85-the-legacy-of-the-great-lebanon-famine-with-lina-mounzer-and-timour-azhari/
The Nation on No Map: Black Anarchism and Abolition by William C. Anderson (upcoming guest): https://www.akpress.org/nationonnomap.html
Article on The Lebanese Rocket Societythat I wrote in 2013 https://hummusforthought.com/2013/03/12/lebanese-rocket-society-a-review/
Recommended Books:
The Anthropocene Unconscious: Climate Catastrophe Culture by Mark Bould
The Nutmeg’s Curse: Parables for a Planet in Crisis by Amitav Ghosh
Refugee Heritage by Sandi Hilal and Alessandro Petti
01:30:10
February 04, 2022

97/ Why I Stopped Writing About Syria w/ Asser Khattab
This is a conversation with Asser Khattab, a Syrian writer who has reported on Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq for various international news outlets. We spoke about his essay for New Lines Magazine, "why I stopped writing about Syria."
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Topics Discussed:
How Asser started writing about Syria
Pigeonholing as Arab journalists
Why Asser stopped writing about Syria
Us leaving Lebanon at the same time
Picturing safe spaces
What is 'normal'?
The role of Twitter in journalism
The dangers of living in Lebanon as an undocumented Syrian
Survivor's guilt and imposter's syndrome
Resources Mentioned:
A look at the Lebanon uprising through its chants
Syrian melancholy in Lebanon's revolution
Newlines Podcast
That Cairo Concert, Mental Health and Growing Up Queer in Lebanon (With Hamed Sinno)
‘Revolution everywhere’: A conversation between Hong Kong and Lebanese protesters
Hong Kong’s Existential Crisis (with JP)
Syrian Prison Literature and the Poetics of Human Rights (with Shareah Taleghani)
Syria, Journalism and the Cost of Indifference
In the End, It Was All About Love (with Musa Okwonga)
Recommended Books:
Dying Every Day: Seneca at the Court of Nero by James Romm
Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Sorrows of Young Werther by Goethe
God: An Anatomy by Francesca Stavrakopoulou
01:38:06
January 28, 2022

96/ The Arab Spring Diaspora Against Transnational Repression w/ Dana Moss
This is a conversation with Dana Moss, Assistant Professor of Sociology at the University of Notre Dame and the author of the book "The Arab Spring Abroad: Diaspora Activism against Authoritarian Regimes."
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Topics Discussed:
How Yemeni, Libyan and Syrian diasporas in the US and UK reacted to the Arab Spring
Risks of protesting in the diaspora
Government responses to diaspora pressures and activism
Personal insights from my own experience
Why diasporas are still undervalued
Impostor's syndrome and survivor's guilt
Diasporas are not homogeneous
The Interpol problem
Legacy of the Arab Spring
Recommended Books:
Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War by Leila Al-Shami and Robin Yassin-Kassab
We Crossed a Bridge and It Trembled: Voices from Syria by Wendy Pearlman
The Return: Fathers, Sons and the Land in Between by Hisham Matar
The War on the Uyghurs: China's Internal Campaign against a Muslim Minority by Sean R. Roberts
Dictators Without Borders: Power and Money in Central Asia by Alexander Cooley and John Heathershaw
01:20:18
January 21, 2022

95/ Untellable Stories, Reproductive Justice & Complicating Acts of Advocacy w/ Shui-yin Sharon Yam
This is a conversation with Shui-yin Sharon Yam (her 2nd time on the podcast) largely around a paper that she wrote called "Complicating Acts of Advocacy: Tactics in the Birthing Room".
She is Associate Professor of Writing, Rhetoric, and Digital Studies, and a faculty affiliate of Gender and Women's Studies and the Center for Equality and Social Justice at the University of Kentucky. She is one of the series editors for the Ohio State University Press's New Directions in Rhetoric and Materiality.
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Topics Discussed:
Rhetorical Analysis, Reproductive Justice and Doulas: Intro to each and the links between them
Three pillars of Reproductive Freedom and global implications
Rhetoric of Health and Medicine: intro and explanation
Technocratic model of birth: intro and explanation
What makes some stories 'untellable'?
The pitfalls of the 'self-made moms' rhetoric
Rhetoric and the antivaxx movement
Resources Mentioned:
Romper's Doula Diaries on YouTube
"Rhetorical Appeals and Tactics in New York Times Comments About Vaccines: Qualitative Analysis"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33275110/
"Using Rhetorical Situations to Examine and Improve Vaccination Communication" https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcomm.2021.697383/full#h4
Vaccine Rhetorics https://ohiostatepress.org/books/titles/9780814214336.html
Recommended Books:
Reproductive Injustice: Racism, Pregnancy, and Premature Birth by Dána-Ain Davis
We Live for the We: The Political Power of Black Motherhood by Dani McClain
Trans Medicine: The Emergence and Practice of Treating Gender by Stef M. Shuster
01:00:21
January 14, 2022

94/ The Political Economy of Solarpunk w/ Andrew Dana Hudson
This is a conversation with speculative fiction writer and sustainability researcher Andrew Dana Hudson. His stories have appeared in Slate Future Tense, Lightspeed Magazine, Vice Terraform, MIT Technology Review, Grist, Little Blue Marble, The New Accelerator, StarShipSofa and more, as well as various books and anthologies. His fiction has been nominated for the Pushcart Prize and longlisted for the BSFA. In 2016 his story “Sunshine State” won the first Everything Change Climate Fiction Contest, and in 2017 he was runner up in the Kaleidoscope Writing The Future Contest. His 2015 essay “On the Political Dimensions of Solarpunk” has helped define and grow the “solarpunk” subgenre. He is a member of the cursed 2020 class of the Clarion Workshop.
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Topics Discussed:
What is Solarpunk?
Introduction to his essay “On the Political Dimensions of Solarpunk“
The urgency of Solarpunk and the response to Cyberpunk
Post-normal fiction
Solarpunk and global network society: why did it start in the 2010s?
The importance of care work
Solarpunk and the future of cities
Solarpunk and utopias
Imagine 2200: Climate Fiction
The climate activism momentum
How has Solarpunk changed over the years? Also: discussion of COP26 and Green New Deal
Books mentioned + Recommended:
Multispecies Cities: Solarpunk Urban Futures edited by Priya Sarukkai Chabria and Taiyo Fujii and Shweta Taneja (which includes a story by Andrew)
Our Shared Storm: A Novel of Five Climate Futures by Andrew (Pre-order now)
Lo stato solare by Andrew
Infomocracy by Malka Ann Older
Gnomon by Nick Harkaway
Infinite Detail by Tim Maughan
A Psalm for the Wild-Built by Becky Chambers
The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson
Walkaway by Cory Doctorow
The art is by artist and illustrator CosmosKitty (I added the text). Check out their work here: cosmoskitty.com
01:37:39
January 07, 2022

It Could Happen Here: On The New Periphery
Hey everyone,
As I'm taking a bit of a break I'm sharing with you the episode I did on the podcast "It Could Happen Here Daily with Robert Evans" about my article for Lausan.hk entitled "The periphery has no time for binaries". Make sure to check out It Could Happen Here :)
See you all in January!
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45:21
December 10, 2021

Mangal Media: Solarpunk, Climate Change and the New Thinkable
As I'm taking a wee break, here's an interview I gave on the Mangal Media podcast about my article of the same name.
You can read it here: https://www.mangalmedia.net/english/solarpunk-climate-change-and-the-new-thinkable
Mangal Media is a global collective of writers, artists, journalists and scholars from the so-called “periphery” who are concerned about reclaiming their own narratives.
Check out their podcast :) I was on there more recently as well to talk about protest chants since the Arab Spring.
See you in January.
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Blog: thefirethisti.me
53:47
December 03, 2021

Voice Messages From The Balkan Route
As I'm taking a bit of a break, I thought I'd share with you a recording published by the Sara Jeva Collective. Listen to those who became victims of illegal pushbacks in Croatia. The reports deal with flight, racism and policeviolence against migrants and refugees.
Links:
https://twitter.com/JevaSara/status/1446739260112097282
https://reportssarajevo.blackblogs.org/
Related episodes on The Fire These Times:
Episode 35: The European Union’s Violence Against Asylum Seekers, with Jack Sapoch, coordinator of No Name Kitchen‘s border violence reporting, itself part of the Border Violence Monitoring Network (BVMN).
Episode 49: Moria Camp and the Deadly Cost of Fortress Europe, with Ghias Al Jundi, a Syrian-British human rights activist, about the 2020 fires at the Moria camp in Greece
Just look them up wherever you listen to this podcast!
41:07
November 26, 2021

93/ Syrian Prison Literature and the Poetics of Human Rights (with Shareah Taleghani)
This is a conversation with Shareah Taleghani, Assistant Professor of Middle East Studies and Arabic at Queens College at the City University of New York and the author of the book "Readings in Syrian Prison Literature: The Poetics of Human Rights" published by Syracuse University Press.
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Topics Discussed:
Background and context, Syrian prison literature
Poetics of human rights, and how Syrian prison literature affected her view of human rights
On Tadmor military prison
On censorship, arbitrariness and tanfis in Syria
Arab critics, literature and human rights
Effects of truth
Universality of prison literature
Syrian prison literature and the 2011 revolution
Selective solidarity and global prison abolitionism (US, Iran, Syria)
Also Mentioned:
Faraj Bayrakdar
Human Rights, Inc by Joseph Slaughter
Supreme Court Justices Make a Surprising Proposal in Torture Case
Hasiba Abdelrahman
Mustapha Khalifa
Rosa Yassin Hassan
Malek Daghestani
Ali Abu Dahan
Heba Al-Dabbagh
Tadmor film by Monica Borgmann & Lokman Slim
Memory, violence and fear: Why Lokman Slim’s murder must not be depoliticized - my L'Orient Le Jour piece
Ambiguities of Domination: Politics, Rhetoric, and Symbols in Contemporary Syria by Lisa Wedeen
Miriam Cooke
The Politics of Love: Sexuality, Gender, and Marriage in Syrian Television Drama & Mediating the Uprising: Narratives of Gender and Marriage in Syrian Television Drama by Rebecca Joubin
Nazih Abu Nidal
Ghassan al-Jaba'i
Maher Arrar
'Anticipating' the 2011 Arab Uprisings: Revolutionary Literatures and Political Geographies by Rita Sakr
Recommended Books:
The Shell by Mustafa Khalifa
A Dove in Free Flight by Faraj Bayrakdar
Forced Passages by Dylan Rodríguez
01:15:53
November 12, 2021

92/ Big Tech, Gatopardismo and Data Colonialism (With Camila Nobrega and Joana Varon)
This is a conversation with Brazilian researchers Camila Nobrega and Joana Varon about their paper for Global Information Society Watch, "Big tech goes green(washing): Feminist lenses to unveil new tools in the master’s houses." Extended bio below.
The research by Nobrega and Varon is part of a report launched by the Association for Progressive Communications. You can find the full report here.
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Topics Discussed:
Power structures, Big Tech and what kind future we want
technosolutionism through feminist lenses
Who has the ability to consent?
Gatopardismo (Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui): proposing 'changes' while reinforcing existing power structures
Monocultures of minds (Vandana Shiva)
What are we sustaining and what are we developing when we talk of 'sustainable development'?
What is 'green data'?
The 'good life' through euro-centrism
Discussion about Brazil
Extractivism and data colonialism
Resources mentioned:
Please visit thefirethisti.me
Recommended Books/Other
A extinção das abelhas by Natalia Borges Polesso (Joana)
Un Mundo Ch'ixi es posible by Silvia Rivera Cusicanqui (Camila)
Amanda Piña (choreographer)
Camila Nobrega is a Brazilian journalist working on social-environmental conflicts for more than ten years, fostering Latin American feminist lenses and social-environmental justice. She has worked for media vehicles in Brazil and has contributed to international media, like The Guardian, Le Monde Diplomatique, and Mongabay. Currently based in Berlin, she is a Ph.D. Candidate in Political Science department at the Free University of Berlin. To connect journalism, academic research, and artistic languages, she develops the project Beyond the Green (https://thenewnew.space/projects/beyond-the-green/), focusing on megaprojects that affect our lives, bodies, and territories. It aims to strengthen narratives that connect the right to communication and land rights. Member of Intervozes collective that struggles for media democratization in Brazil. medium@nobregacamila
Joana Varon is Brazilian, with Colombian ancestry and a nomad heart. She is a feminist researcher and activist focused on bringing decolonial Latin American perspectives in the search of feminist techno-political frameworks for shaping the development, deployment and usages of technologies. As it is a collective search, she is the Founder Directress and Creative Chaos Catalyst at Coding Rights, a women-run organization working to expose and redress the power imbalances built into technology and its application, particularly those that reinforce gender and North/South inequalities. Former Mozilla Media Fellow, Joana is currently a Technology and Human Rights Fellow at the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy from Harvard Kennedy School. She is also affiliated to the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.
59:40
October 29, 2021

91/ Satisfying Human Needs at Low Energy Use (With Jefim Vogel & Julia Steinberger)
This is a conversation with Jefim Vogel of the Sustainability Research Institute at the University of Leeds, and Julia Steinberger of the Institute of Geography and Sustainability at the University of Lausanne, about a paper they worked on entitled "socio-economic conditions for satisfying human needs at low energy use: An international analysis of social provisioning."
Julia is also an author of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) 6th Assessment Report, contributing to the report's discussion of climate change mitigation pathways.
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Topics Discussed
How the major environmental and social crises of our time are interlinked, especially energy use
Meeting basic needs at low energy use
Leapfrogging fairly
Disparities between global North and global South
(Some of) the limits of economic growth
Citizens' assemblies and other examples of ways forward
Living well within limits
Recommended Books:
Jefim's:
Less is More: How Degrowth Will Save the World by Jason Hickel
Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power by Noam Chomsky
Daring Greatly: How the Courage to Be Vulnerable Transforms the Way We Live, Love, Parent, and Lead by Brené Brown
Julia's:
Overheated: How Capitalism Broke the Planet--And How We Fight Back by Kate Aronoff
The Future Earth: A Radical Vision for What's Possible in the Age of Warming by Eric Holthaus
We Make Our Own History: Marxism and Social Movements in the Twilight of Neoliberalism by Laurence Cox & Alf Gunvald Nilsen
01:17:45
October 15, 2021

90/ The Ecological Paradox of Digital Economies (with Paz Peña)
This is a conversation with Paz Peña, a Chile-based independent consultant and activist, who recently published a paper entitled “Bigger, more, better, faster: The ecological paradox of digital economies” for Global Information Society Watch (GISWatch). The research by Paz Peña is part of a report launched by the Association for Progressive Communications. You can find the full report here.
Topics Discussed:
Digital economies and environmental sustainability
The ecological paradox of dematerialisation
‘Smart cities’ and the Internet of Things (IoT)
The problem with techno-solutionism
Tech in the framework of degrowth and postgrowth
Artificial Intelligence is a feminist issue
Tech isn’t neutral
Recommended Books:
Posthuman Knowledge by Rosi Braidotti
Cómo pensar juntos by Isabelle Strengers
After Geoengineering: Climate Tragedy, Repair, and Restoration by Holly Jean Buck
I mentioned my article for Shado Mag on the Emotional Case for Postgrowth
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01:09:56
October 01, 2021

89/ Tiananmen, Denialism and History (With Christopher Wong)
This is a conversation with Christopher Wong, a writer and researcher with Cool Zone Media whose essay "When communists crushed the international workers’ movement" for Lausan was the subject of this conversation.
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Topics Discussed:
The Tiananmen massacre in its historical context
The meaning of Tiananmen
How we remember Tiananmen and what we erase
The before and the after
The cost of denialism
Tiananmen/Syria comparisons
Occupying the squares vs occupying the factories
On class identities
How could it have been different?
Aesthetics and politics
Burying the past
On tankies
Recommended Books:
Rhythms of the Pachakuti: Indigenous Uprising and State Power in Bolivia by Raquel Gutiérrez Aguilar
The Utopia of Rules: On Technology, Stupidity, and the Secret Joys of Bureaucracy by David Graeber
Carbon Democracy: Political Power in the Age of Oil by Timothy Mitchell
Hatta Shūzō and Pure Anarchism in Interwar Japan by John Crump
+ I recommended Anarchist Modernity: Cooperatism and Japanese-Russian Intellectual Relations in Modern Japan by Sho Konishi
01:55:16
September 24, 2021

88/ A History of Nothing (With Susan A. Crane)
This is a conversation with Susan A. Crane, author of the book “Nothing Happened: A History“
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Topics Discussed:
How do people think of the past?
What does Nothing even mean?
Four expressions of historical consciousness:
1- Nothing Happened
2- Nothing is the Way it Was
3- Nothing has Changed
4- Nothing is Left
How far away does the past have to be before being considered the past?
What the past says about the present
The examples of Germany, Chile, the USA, Spain and Lebanon
When histories become ruin
On biographies and ‘great men’
On ‘objectivity’ and ‘neutrality’ in history
Resources mentioned:
Why Man Creates by Saul Bass
The Death of Luigi Trastulli: Memory and the Event. Form and Meaning in Oral History by Alessandro Portelli
Nostalgia for the light by Patricio Guzmán
History and Memory: For Akiko and Takashige by Rea Tajiri
The mnemonic imagination by Emily Keightley and Michael Pickering
Why Did Ozu Cut To A Vase? by Nerdwriter
Recommended Books
In Memory of Memory by Maria Stepanova, translated by Sasha Dugdale
The Resonance of Unseen Things: Poetics, Power, Captivity, and UFOs in the American Uncanny by Susan Lepselter
Wayward Lives, Beautiful Experiments: Intimate Histories of Social Upheaval by Saidiya Hartman
A History of Silence: From the Renaissance to the Present Day by Alain Corbin
01:27:44
September 17, 2021

87/ Counter-Cartographies: Mapping Back our World (With Boris Michel and Paul Schweizer)
This is a conversation with Boris Michel and Paul Schweizer who helped create the ‘This Is Not an Atlas‘ book for Kollectiv Orangotango, which is available as a free PDF.
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Topics Discussed:
What is ‘This is Not an Atlas’?
What traditional cartographies erase
The relationship between maps and power
When do maps work?
Examples of Alarm Phone and Indigenous mapping
How to become an occasional cartographer
Discussion of: Is This Is Not an Atlas an Atlas? On the Pitfalls of Editing a Global Collection of Counter-Cartographies
How can cartography help us understand our relationship to nature?
What is hydrocartography?
Recommended books:
Manual of collective mapping by iconoclasistas
Counterpoints: A San Francisco Bay Area Atlas of Displacement & Resistance by Anti-Eviction Mapping Project
Weaponizing Maps: Indigenous Peoples and Counterinsurgency in the Americas by Joe Bryan and Denis Wood
Forensic Architecture: Violence at the Threshold of Detectability by Eyal Weizman
The Natures of Maps: Cartographic Constructions of the Natural World by Denis Wood and John Fels
01:17:35
September 10, 2021

86/ Environmentalism, ‘Post-Truth’ and Platform Capitalism (With Bram Büscher)
This is a conversation with Bram Büscher around the topics discussed in his book ‘The Truth about Nature: Environmentalism, in the Era of Post-Truth Politics and Platform Capitalism‘
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Topics Discussed:
Meaning of ‘post-truth’ and platform capitalism
Environmentalism, political action and social media
Mediating knowledge and politics through new media platforms
“Doom and gloom” versus “being optimistic”
Temporality on social media and the urge of the ‘now’
New media platforms are not neutral platforms
Alienation, politics and new media
Can it be good?
The role of new media in the conservation and environmental movements
South Africa’s Kruger National Park, new media and racial politics
The difference between understanding and knowledge, and how new media plays into that
Recommended Books:
Platform Capitalism by Nick Srnicek
Darwin’s Hunch by Christa Kuljian
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01:38:52
September 03, 2021

I read the names of the Beirut port explosion victims
This is a special episode in which I just read the names of those who died due to the Beirut port explosion on August 4th 2020.
Resources:
http://beirut607.org/
http://thepublicsource.org/
https://armlebanon.org/
#BeirutExplosion
22:00
August 05, 2021

August 4th 2020: "It Sounded Like The World Itself Was Breaking Open" (With Lina Mounzer)
This is a special episode, initially recorded and released on August 7th 2020 with Lina Mounzer.
I'm re-releasing it as it was.
Twitter thread with reflections on this day https://twitter.com/joeyayoub/status/1422610135172714498
#BeirutExplosion #BeirutBlast
46:16
August 04, 2021

85/ The Legacy of the Great Lebanon Famine (with Lina Mounzer and Timour Azhari)
This is a conversation with Lina Mounzer and Timour Azhari, repeat guests on the podcast, about the legacy of the Great Famine of Mount Lebanon (1915–1918) and its legacy today.
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Topics Discussed + Resources:
What was the Great Famine? Causes and Context (Allies blockading from the sea, Ottomans barring grains, role of local elites like Michel Sursock)
Hunger and Hallucination: Tales from the Great Famine (Lina's talk)
An Abandoned Village Bears Witness to Lebanon’s Famines – Old and New (Timour's article)
Parallels to today
A Hungry Population Stops Thinking About Resistance: Class, Famine, and Lebanon's World War I Legacy
Is there an amnesia problem in Lebanon? Yes and No
The sense that history is repeating itself
Working as a way of coping
Thinking of leaving and of the established migration routes (belonging, identity, legitimacy etc)
The role of the diaspora beyond bringing aid
Across the Rickety Bridge by Farrah Berrou
Akram Khater's Inventing Home: Emigration, Gender and the Making of a Lebanese Middle Class, 1861-1921
The gendered component of the famine
The Megaphone short doc
Maybe let's eat the rich
Coexistence as being between rioters and peaceful protesters
What counts as violence vs non-violence
What we've inherited from the Lebanese wars (1975-1990)
Recommended Books
Timour:
On the Road by Jack Kerouack
Kafka on the Shore by Haruki Murakami
Citizen Hariri by Hannes Bauman
Lina:
Beirut Nightmares by Ghada Samman
A Month in Siena & The Return by Hicham Matar
Yes, I am a destroyer by Mira Mattar
02:26:27
July 31, 2021

84/ Space, Fiction and Growing Up in ‘Postwar’ Lebanon (with Naji Bakhti)
This is a conversation with Naji Bakhti, author of the novel Between Beirut and the Moon (2020), published by Influx Press. He is also Project Manager at SKeyes Center for Media and Cultural Freedom at the Samir Kassir Foundation.
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Topics Discussed:
Growing up in a ‘postwar’ context, Lebanon
Writing in English and the distance afforded to us when doing so
Thinking about Arabic and creativity
Genesis of Between Beirut and the Moon
Writing the local, writing the global
The Arab world and the impossibility of Space exploration
Billionaires are ruining space in addition to planet Earth
Joking about sectarianism in Lebanon (and also Balkans, Iraq etc)
West Beirut (1998 film) and its impact, watching it (in Joey’s case) the day Hariri was assassinated in 2005
Writing about Beirut as a character
How do we think about fiction when reality is so overwhelming?
Inheriting the silences from one’s parents (including postmemory)
Friendships versus sectarian politics
Recommended Books
Guapa by Saleem Haddad
De Niro’s Game by Rawi Hage
Persepolis by Marjie Satrapi
Paddy Clarke Ha Ha Ha by Roddy Doyle
Music by Tarabeat.
01:41:07
July 24, 2021

83/ Understanding Hamas: Anti-Authoritarian Perspectives (with Tareq Baconi)
This is a conversation with Tareq Baconi, author of the book "Hamas Contained: The Rise and Pacification of Palestinian Resistance" published in 2018.
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List of topics discussed:
How Hamas is often talked about
Contextualising Hamas in recent and ongoing uprisings
Hamas and popular protests
The Great Return March
Hamas and Israel
Western hypocrisy on Palestinian democracy, with a focus on the EU and the US
Hamas-Fatah relations
The horrific costs of the Israeli blockade of Gaza
How the Israeli state views Hamas
Hamas breaking out of its 'cage'
Does it matter who wins at the Israeli elections?
The PA losing legitimacy
Hamas' authoritarianism in Gaza
Hamas as a democratic movement
Difference between party and government in Gaza
Moving beyond the framework of partition and into colonial and apartheid frameworks
Recommended Books:
Hamas and Civil Society in Gaza: Engaging the Islamist Social Sector by Sara Roy
Hamas: A Beginner's Guide by Khaled Hroub
Decolonizing Palestine: Hamas between the Anticolonial and the Postcolonial by Somdeep Sen
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July 17, 2021

82/ The Populist Hype, ‘the People’ and the Far Right (With Aurelien Mondon)
This is a conversation with Aurelien Mondon, he’s a senior lecturer in politics, languages and international studies at the University of Bath and co-author of the 2020 book “Reactionary Democracy: How racism and the populist far right became mainstream” alongside Aaron Winter.
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Topics Discussed
How has the far right been mainstreamed? Focus on US, UK and France
Liberal racism versus illiberal racism
The far right and why calling them ‘populism’ is problematic
What is ‘populist hype’ and how can the media be complicit?
How the ‘working class’ become racialized into the ‘white working class’
The role of elites in ‘reactionary democracy’
How our knowledge of the world is constructed
How the right has asphyx