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EP. 40 - The Litty Sessions: From Daily Grind to Page-Turners

The Litty PodcastMay 25, 2024

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EP. 40 - The Litty Sessions: From Daily Grind to Page-Turners

EP. 40 - The Litty Sessions: From Daily Grind to Page-Turners

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May 25, 202451:46
EP. 39 - The Litty Review: The Love Plot

EP. 39 - The Litty Review: The Love Plot

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Apr 27, 202437:26
EP. 38 - Uncanny Realms: Exploring Surreal Stories

EP. 38 - Uncanny Realms: Exploring Surreal Stories

Amyn's picks:

  • Cursed Bunny by Bora Chung
  • Her Body and Other Parties by Carmen Maria Machado
  • A Mouthful of Birds by Samanta Schweblin
  • Little Birds by Samanta Schweblin
  • Dear Senthuran by Akwaeke Emezi


Karachi's picks:

1Q84 by Haruki Murakami
The Pisces by Melissa Broder
Memory Police by Yōko Ogawa
In the Miso Soup by Ryū Murakami
Beautiful World, Where Are You by Sally Rooney
In the Dream House by Carmen Maria Machado


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Mar 30, 202453:09
EP. 37 - The Litty Sessions: Litty Life Hacks + Life As We Know It

EP. 37 - The Litty Sessions: Litty Life Hacks + Life As We Know It

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Feb 14, 202451:07
EP. 36 - The Litty Review: Yellowface

EP. 36 - The Litty Review: Yellowface

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Jan 27, 202450:19
EP. 35 - Literary Futures: Books We Can't Wait to Dive Into in 2024

EP. 35 - Literary Futures: Books We Can't Wait to Dive Into in 2024

Correction: Karachi meant to say "Crushes" not "Smashes". *facepalm emoji*


Books mentioned in this episode:
Amyn's picks:

The Phoenix Crown by Janie Chang and Kate Quinn
Heavenly Tyrant by Xiran Jay Zhao
To Gaze Upon Wicked Gods by Molly Chang
The FriendZone Experiment by Zen Cho
All of Aminatta Forna's books


Karachi's picks:


House of Flame and Shadow by Sarah J. Maas
House Woman by Adorah Nworah
Edge of Here by Kelechi Okafor
Lies and Weddings by Kevin Kwan
Come and Get It by Kiley Reid




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Dec 30, 202301:01:13
EP. 34 - The Litty Sessions: Birthday Edition

EP. 34 - The Litty Sessions: Birthday Edition

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Oct 28, 202339:49
EP. 33 - The Litty Review: His Only Wife

EP. 33 - The Litty Review: His Only Wife

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Oct 27, 202341:56
EP. 32 - The Bad Bish Episode

EP. 32 - The Bad Bish Episode

Books mentioned in this episode:

Amyn's picks:

  • The Obsession by Jesse Q. Sutanto
  • The Green Bone Saga by Fonda Lee
  • A Certain Hunger by Chelsea G. Summers
  • Front Desk by Kelly Yang
  • The Dead Djinn Universe series by P. Djèlí Clark
  • Kaikeyi by Vaishnavi Patel
  • Killers of a Certain Age by Deanna Raybourn


Karachi's picks

  • Throne of Glass series by Sarah J. Maas
  • The Hunger Games series by Suzanne Collins
  • Iron Widow by Xiran Jay Zhao
  • House of Earth and Blood by Sarah J. Maas
  • The Red Queen series by Victoria Aveyard
  • Shatter Me series by Tahereh Mafi
  • Legend series by Marie Lu

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Oct 27, 202354:54
EP. 31 - Easing Back Into Bookish Things

EP. 31 - Easing Back Into Bookish Things

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Jun 01, 202340:36
EP. 30 - The Litty Sessions: Get to Know Us

EP. 30 - The Litty Sessions: Get to Know Us

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Apr 27, 202201:08:51
EP. 29 - Book Recommendations On Acid

EP. 29 - Book Recommendations On Acid

Books and authors mentioned in this episode:  

✣ Dial A For Aunties - Jesse Q. Sutanto ✣ Black Water Sister - Zen Cho ✣ My Dark Vanessa - Kate Elizabeth Russell ✣ Consent - Vanessa Springora ✣ Imagine This - Sade Adeniran ✣ Tiny Sunbirds Far Away - Christie Watson ✣ Kintu / The First Woman - Jennifer Nansubuga Makumbi ✣ Black Sun - Rebecca Roanhorse ✣ The Fifth Season - N. K. Jemisin ✣ The Murmur of Bees - Sofia Segovia ✣ A Fine Balance - Rohinton Mistry ✣ The Island of Sea Women - Lisa See ✣ The Mountains Sing - Nguyễn Phan Quế Mai ✣ Mouthful of Birds - Samanta Schweblin ✣ The Night Stalker - Chris Carter ✣ The Only Child - Mi-ae Seo ✣ The Bastard of Istanbul - Elif Shafak ✣ Here Comes The Sun  ✣ The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald ✣ The Chosen and the Beautiful - Nghi Vo ✣ Daisy Jones and the Six / Malibu Rising - Taylor Jenkins Reid ✣ Mhairi McFarlane ✣ Jill Mansell ✣ Her Body and Other Parties - Carmen Maria Machado ✣ Vagabonds - Eloghosa Osunde ✣ Rupert Wong, Cannibal Chef - Cassandra Khaw ✣ David Mogo Godhunter - Suyi Davies Okungbowa ✣


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Apr 06, 202201:15:11
EP. 28 - The Litty Review: Anonymous Sex

EP. 28 - The Litty Review: Anonymous Sex

In this episode, we share our reviews of the much-anticipated fiction anthology, 'Anonymous Sex'.


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Mar 16, 202201:04:02
EP. 27 - The Litty Sessions: RIP to your TBR

EP. 27 - The Litty Sessions: RIP to your TBR

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Feb 24, 202201:10:45
EP. 26 - Reader 101: The Anatomy of a Romance Novel

EP. 26 - Reader 101: The Anatomy of a Romance Novel


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Feb 09, 202246:30
EP. 25 - "The Very Important Year in Review"

EP. 25 - "The Very Important Year in Review"


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Dec 22, 202101:20:11
EP. 24 - The Litty Sessions: It's the final brain cells...

EP. 24 - The Litty Sessions: It's the final brain cells...

Books mentioned in this episode: 

Nearly All the Men in Lagos are Mad by Damilare Kuku

The Old Woman with the Knife by Gu Byeong-mo

Vagabonds by Eloghosa Osunde

Joan is Okay by Weike Wang

Black Cake by Charmaine Wilkerson

The Legend series by Marie Lu

The Shatter Me series by Tahereh Mafi

The Throne of Glass series by Sarah J. Maas


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Dec 15, 202155:52
EP. 23 - The Litty Review: Honey Girl by Morgan Rogers

EP. 23 - The Litty Review: Honey Girl by Morgan Rogers


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Oct 27, 202147:54
EP. 22 - Spooky Books for Spooky Times

EP. 22 - Spooky Books for Spooky Times

Books mentioned in this episode:  ✣ The Uglies Series by Scott Westerfield  ✣   ✣ The Hunger Games Series by Suzanne Collin ✣   ✣ Odd Thomas Series by Dean Koontz  ✣   ✣ Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn ✣     ✣ Dark Places by Gillian Flynn ✣   ✣ Chilling Adventures of Sabrina by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa & Robert Hack (Artist) ✣   ✣ Afterlife With Archie by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa (Writer), Francesco Francavilla (Illustrations) & Jack Morelli (Illustrator)  ✣   ✣ Confessions by Kanae Minato ✣   ✣ Mouth Full of Birds by Samanta Schweblin ✣   ✣ Fever Dream by Samanta Schweblin ✣  ✣ House of Stone by Novuya Rose Tshuma ✣  ✣ The Memory Police by Yōko Ogawa ✣ Follow us on Twitter @thelittypod and on Instagram @thelitty_podcast.
Oct 18, 202101:06:14
EP. 21 - The Litty Sessions: #CurrentlyReading, Vibes on Vibes & Experimental Cocktails

EP. 21 - The Litty Sessions: #CurrentlyReading, Vibes on Vibes & Experimental Cocktails

Books mentioned in this episode: ✣ The Woman in the Purple Skirt by Natsuko Imamura ✣ Seasons of Love by Harper Bliss ✣ Better to Trust by Heather Frimmer ✣ Fifty Words for Rain by Asha Lemmie ✣ How to Kill Your Family by Bella Mackie ✣ Normal People by Sally Rooney ✣ Conversations With Friends by Sally Rooney ✣ Beautiful World, Where Are You by Sally Rooney ✣ Hard Drive by Shae Connor 


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Oct 17, 202101:20:48
EP. 20 - The Litty Review: The Mountains Sing by Nguyễn Phan Quế Mai

EP. 20 - The Litty Review: The Mountains Sing by Nguyễn Phan Quế Mai

Book chat starts at 13:12 if you'd like to skip ahead.

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Oct 17, 202101:04:27
EP. 019 - "Appreciating Fictional Mother/Daughter Relationships & the Beauty of K-Dramas"

EP. 019 - "Appreciating Fictional Mother/Daughter Relationships & the Beauty of K-Dramas"

Books mentioned in this episode:  

Here comes the Sun by Nicole Dennis-Benn Patsy by Nicole Dennis Benn Island of Sea Women by Lisa See Bury What We Cannot Take by Kirstin Chen The Joy Luck Club by Amy Tan Normal People by Sarah Rooney The Bastard of Istanbul by Elif Shafak Dial A for Aunties by Jessie Q. Sutanto Furia by Yamile Saied Méndez One Last Stop by Casey McQuiston Honey Girl by Morgan Rogers Iron Widow by Xiran Jay Zhao The Private Joys of Nnenna Maloney by Okechukwu Nzelu The Stone Sky (The Broken Earth #3) by N.K. Jemisin Blindsight by Peter Watts   


A note from your hosts:
"Early in the episode, I said someone got COVID-19 because he's an anti-vaxxer. I misspoke. I meant to imply that he was more susceptible because he refused to take any precautions." - Karachi  


K-Dramas mentioned in this episode:  

Crash Landing on You Hyena Vincenzo My Mister Men Are Men Something In the Rain


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Sep 01, 202101:13:22
EP. 018 - Nigerian Passport Drama, Appropriation in Books & Some Necessary Tea

EP. 018 - Nigerian Passport Drama, Appropriation in Books & Some Necessary Tea

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Jul 28, 202101:17:16
EP. 017 - The Litty Review: Circe by Madeline Miller

EP. 017 - The Litty Review: Circe by Madeline Miller


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Jun 23, 202101:14:43
EP. 016 - "Books That Help You Get It Out & the Art of Doing Nothing"

EP. 016 - "Books That Help You Get It Out & the Art of Doing Nothing"

Books and authors mentioned in this episode:

✣ Pachinko by Min Jin Lee ✣ How We Disappeared by Jing-Jing Lee ✣ The Perks of Being a Wallflower by Stephen Chbosky ✣ Kingdom of Ash (Throne of Glass #7) by Sarah J. Maas ✣ Loveboat, Taipei by Abigail Hing Wen ✣ The Mountains Sing by Nguyen Phan Que Mai ✣ The Girl with the Louding Voice by Abi Daré ✣ Shanghai Girls (Shanghai Girls #1) by Lisa See ✣ Skyward Inn by Aliya Whiteley ✣ Sankofa by Onuzo Chibundu


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Apr 28, 202101:14:12
EP. 015 - "Pure Vibes"

EP. 015 - "Pure Vibes"

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Mar 24, 202153:07
EP. 014 - The Litty Review: Luster by Raven Leilani

EP. 014 - The Litty Review: Luster by Raven Leilani

Submit your questions for EP. 015's Q&A here => https://bit.ly/3bfg2k3

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Feb 17, 202142:51
EP. 013 - "Did it Just Get Hot in Here?": 8 Sexy Fictional Men & Litty 2021 Goals

EP. 013 - "Did it Just Get Hot in Here?": 8 Sexy Fictional Men & Litty 2021 Goals

Books and authors mentioned in this episode:

✣ Get a Life, Chloe Brown and Take a Hint, Dani Brown by Talia Hibbert ✣ You Had Me at Hola by Alexis Daria ✣ Twisted Marriage by Alessandra Torre ✣ Normal People by Sally Rooney ✣ Lothaire by Kresley Cole ✣ Tomorrow Died Yesterday by Chimeka Garricks 

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Feb 03, 202101:09:57
EP. 012 - "Vibes & Inshallah: 2020 in Review"

EP. 012 - "Vibes & Inshallah: 2020 in Review"

Books and authors mentioned in this episode:

✣ Talia Hibbert ✣ Clap When You Land by Elizabeth Acevedo ✣ The Comeback by Ella Berman ✣ Rosewater by Tade Thompson ✣ Nights of the Creaking Bed by Toni Kan ✣ Carnivorous City by Toni Kan ✣ PET by Akwaeke Emezi ✣ The Death of Vivek Oji by Akwaeke Emezi ✣ The Girl with the Louding Voice by Abi Daré ✣ The Blessed Girl by Angela Makholwa ✣ Breasts and Eggs by Mieko Kawakami ✣ Her Body and Other Parties by Carmen Maria Machado ✣


TV shows and movies mentioned in this episode:

✣Lovecraft Country ✣ The Flight Attendant ✣ Big Sky ✣ Bridgerton ✣ Bob's Burgers ✣ Big Mouth ✣ How to Ruin Christmas: The Wedding ✣ The World of the Married ✣ Filthy Rich ✣ Schitt's Creek ✣ Doctor Foster ✣


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Dec 23, 202001:15:30
EP. 011 - "On Notable Book Adaptations and the Will to Keep Going"

EP. 011 - "On Notable Book Adaptations and the Will to Keep Going"

Books mentioned in this episode: 

Rebecca by Daphne du Maurier ✣ 

50 Shades trilogy by EL James

The Giver by Lois Lowry ✣ 

The Mortal Instruments series by Cassandra Clare

The Divergent trilogy by Veronica Roth ✣ 

Bel Canto by Ann Patchett ✣ 

The Kite Runner by Khaled Hosseini ✣ 

Codename Villanelle by Luke Jennings ✣ 

Poldark series by Winston Graham ✣ 

Orange Is the New Black by Piper Kerman  

Normal People by Sally Rooney  

Conversations with Friends by Sally Rooney  

The Perks of Being a Wallflower by Stephen Chbosky  

Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy ✣ 

Fingersmith by Sarah Waters ✣ 

Blue is the Warmest Color by Julie Maroh  

The Hunger Games trilogy by Suzanne Collins  

Little Fires Everywhere by Celeste Ng ✣ 

Big Little Lies by Liane Moriarty  

Hollywood Dirt by Alessandra Torre ✣ 

Queenie by Candice Carty-Williams  ✣ 

Ordinary People by Diana Evans


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Nov 25, 202001:05:40
EP. 010 - "On Better Representation in Fiction and Life's Wahala"

EP. 010 - "On Better Representation in Fiction and Life's Wahala"

Books mentioned in this episode:

✣ The Right Swipe by Alisha Rai ✣

✣ Reluctant Royals by Alyssa Cole ✣

✣ RAFE: A Buff Male Nanny by Rebekah Weatherspoon ✣

✣ The Hairdressers of Harare by Tendai Huchu ✣

✣ The Secret Lives of Baba Segi's Wives by Lola Shoneyin ✣

✣ Under the Udala Trees by Chinelo Okparanta ✣

Other authors mentioned:

✣ Talia Hibbert ✣

✣ Jasmine Guillory ✣


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Nov 11, 202057:36
EP. 009 - "On September Reads and Rampant Misogyny"
Sep 30, 202001:20:06
EP. 008 - "On Pet Peeves and Open Marriages"

EP. 008 - "On Pet Peeves and Open Marriages"

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Sep 16, 202001:01:36
EP. 007 - "On Literary Tropes and Oversized Egos"

EP. 007 - "On Literary Tropes and Oversized Egos"

Books Mentioned in this episode: 

✣ The Stephanie Plum series by Janet Evanovich ✣ 

✣ Charlie Davidson Series by Darynda Jones ✣

✣ The Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon ✣

✣ The Kiss Quotient by Helen Hoang ✣

✣ Take a Hint, Dani Brown - Talia Hibbert ✣ 

✣ The With You series by Sylvia Day ✣

✣ The Killing Eve series by Luke Jennings ✣

✣ The Throne of Glass series by Sarah J. Maas ✣

✣ The Red Queen series by Victoria Aveyard  ✣

✣ Sharp Objects by Gillian Flynn ✣

✣ A Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes by Suzanne Collins ✣

✣ The Hunger Games series by Suzanne Collins ✣

✣ The Divergent trilogy by Veronica Roth ✣

✣ The Legend series by Marie Lu ✣

✣ Brave New World by Aldous Huxley ✣

✣ The Giver by Lois Lowry ✣


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Sep 02, 202001:13:26
EP. 006 - "On Soul-Stirring Books and Unneighbourly Behaviour"

EP. 006 - "On Soul-Stirring Books and Unneighbourly Behaviour"

Books mentioned in this episode:

✣ The Memory Police by Yoko Ogawa ✣

✣ PET by Akwaeke Emezi ✣

✣ Kintu by Jennifer Makumbi ✣

✣ Little Eyes by Samanta Schweblin ✣

✣ Pachinko by Min Jin Lee ✣

✣ Dominicana by Angie Cruz ✣

✣ Into the Deep by Samantha Young ✣

✣ The Mango Season by Amulya Malladi ✣

✣ Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi ✣

✣ I'll Give You the Sun by Jandy Nelson ✣


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Aug 05, 202001:19:31
EP. 005 - "On Endtime Pastors and the African Literary Struggle"

EP. 005 - "On Endtime Pastors and the African Literary Struggle"

Mental Health Resources 

USA  

  • National Suicide Prevention Lifeline (1-800-273-8255)
  • Crisis Text Line (Text "HELLO" to 741741) 

Nigeria 

  • Nigerian Suicide Prevention Initiative Counselling Centre (0806 210 6493) 
  • Lagos suicide hotlines, by the Lagos State Government (08058820777 or 09030000741) 

Apps - https://adaa.org/finding-help/mobile-apps 


Books mentioned in this episode: 

✣ An Orchestra of Minorities - Chigozie Obioma ✣

✣ Born on a Tuesday - Elnathan John ✣

✣ The Secret Lives of Baba Segi's Lives - Lola Shoneyin ✣

✣ Anthills of the Savannah - Chinua Achebe ✣

✣ A Man of the People - Chinua Achebe ✣

✣ Americanah - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie ✣

✣ Purple Hibiscus - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie ✣

✣ Dust - Yvonne Adhiambo Owuor ✣

✣ The Book of Memory - Petina Gappah ✣

✣ The Shadow King - Maaza Mengiste ✣

✣ The Mechanics of Yenagoa - Michael Afenfia ✣

✣ The Blessed Girl - Angela Makholwa ✣

✣ David Mogo, Godhunter - Suyi Davies Okungbowa ✣

✣ Half of a Yellow Sun - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie ✣

✣ We Need New Names - NoViolet Bulawayo ✣

✣ Kintu - Jennifer Nansubuga Makumbi ✣

✣ The Girl with the Louding Voice - Abi Daré ✣

✣ Stay with Me - Ayobami Adebayo ✣

✣ My Sister the Serial Killer - Oyinkan Braithwaite ✣

✣ The Hairdresser of Harare - Tendai Huchu ✣

✣ Tomorrow Died Yesterday - Chimeka Garricks ✣

✣ A Broken People's Playlist - Chimeka Garricks ✣


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Jul 22, 202001:19:58
EP. 004 - "On Small Penises and When to Trust the Hype"

EP. 004 - "On Small Penises and When to Trust the Hype"

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Jul 08, 202001:34:08
EP. 003 - On Transphobic Authors and Rappers Who Don't Read

EP. 003 - On Transphobic Authors and Rappers Who Don't Read

"I don't even know what I said on this episode, but I feel like I failed to communicate some stuff...but sha, take it like that. #TransLivesMatter " - Karachi 

Jun 24, 202001:05:44
EP. 002 - On Queer Reads and the World Going to Shit

EP. 002 - On Queer Reads and the World Going to Shit

Happy Pride Month! This episode we chat about our favourite LGBTQ reads and lessons for our 13-year-old selves. 

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*** As promised, here's info for where to donate to anti-racism/sexual violence initiatives: S.T.E.R. Initiative - http://standtoendrape.org/donate/ Where to donate in support of Black lives and communities of color - https://nymag.com/strategist/article/where-to-donate-for-black-lives-matter.html 


Books Mentioned In this Episode: 

Two Boys Kissing - David Levithan ✣

✣ Red White & Royal Blue - Casey McQuiston ✣

✣ Freshwater - Akwaeke Emezi ✣

✣ Laura Dean Keeps Breaking Up With Me - Mariko Tamaki ✣

✣ Girl Woman Other - Bernardine Evaristo ✣

✣ Her Body And Other Parties - Carmen Maria Machado ✣

✣ Mr Loverman - Bernardine Evaristo ✣

✣ Under The Udala Trees - Chinelo Okparanta ✣

✣ The Seven Husbands Of Evelyn Hugo - Taylor Jenkins Reid ✣

✣ Patsy - Nicole Dennis Benn ✣

✣ Pet - Akwaeke Emezi ✣

✣ What Happens When A Man Falls From The Sky - Leslie Nneka Arimah ✣

✣ Here Comes The Sun - Nicole Dennis Benn ✣

Jun 10, 202001:06:06
EP. 001 - On "Trashy Books" and the Wickedness of Men

EP. 001 - On "Trashy Books" and the Wickedness of Men

This episode, we discuss some of the books that we read when we need an escape from the heavier stuff...amongst other things.
Jun 07, 202056:59