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The Outer Realm NFT Podcast

The Outer Realm NFT Podcast

By Eric P. Rhodes

The Outer Realm is an NFT podcast hosted by CryptoArt pioneer Eric P. Rhodes. To learn more visit: www.theouterrealm.io/

Every week we interview people from around the globe about what it takes to become a successful NFT artist on this exciting new frontier for art sales. In each episode, my guests will reveal their creative process, discuss the intricacies of blockchain technology, and inspire you to create your first NFTs!
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The Outer Realm NFT PodcastFeb 16, 2021

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Darren Kleine on NFT Art, Working on Commissions, and Growing His NFT-focused Business

Darren Kleine on NFT Art, Working on Commissions, and Growing His NFT-focused Business

This is a 1-on-1 interview with Darren Kleine that was recorded live on The Outer Realm spaces. He's the host of the Non-fungible Podcast (NFP), former writer for The Coin Telegraph, and youth educator.

Oct 20, 202201:02:44
Rizzle on Bullies, Building Communities, and Finding His Tribe in NFTs

Rizzle on Bullies, Building Communities, and Finding His Tribe in NFTs

This is a 1-on-1 interview with Rizzle that was recorded live on The Outer Realm spaces. He's the founder of The WIP Meeting, the longest-running Metaverse meetup. And creator of the OnChainChain the first generative wearable project launched on Art Blocks. 

Oct 19, 202201:06:50
Empress Trash on Independence, Childhood Emancipation, and Damsels
May 30, 202201:56:21
Robness on Music, Spirituality, and His Obsession With Vaporwave
May 23, 202201:24:12
WG on Being a Crypto Artist, Working in Print Magazine, and His Beginnings in TRON
May 16, 202201:31:07
Yeli on Photography, the Bored Apes, and Trash Art
May 09, 202201:19:55
Flux Research on Spirituality, Writing About NFTS, and the NFT Shopping Network
May 02, 202201:44:10
Sgt. Slaughtermelon on Abstract Art, the Importance of Holistic Education, and How to Get into NFTs

Sgt. Slaughtermelon on Abstract Art, the Importance of Holistic Education, and How to Get into NFTs

As a ten year old, Sgt. Slaughtermelon liked Wolverine and Boba Fett – not necessarily in that order – and wanted to become a cartoonist.

Today, he is a pseudonymous psychedelic artist and an amazing human being who thinks Danny DeVito would make a much better Wolverine (food for thought for all of us).

We had an amazing time chatting about how a neighbor helped him in his art career, the one thing in common between the NFT space and the X-Men universe, and why his parents steered him towards a career in graphics and not fine arts – spoiler alert: He thinks they were right –.

We also discussed the early days of abstract art, his career struggles during the 2008 crash, his beginnings in media production, and his brilliant Art Blocks project.

Want to learn more about him?

Tune in now!


Key Points Discussed

10-year old Sgt. Slaughtermelon’s favorite things (02:08)

Putting an importance of education (12:48)

From media production to NFTs (17:07)

Why holistic education matters (27:28)

Sgt. Slaughtermelon on his art style (30:13)

The art blocks project (36:42)

Collectibles vs. art (43:38)

How to get into NFTs (54:48)

Sgt. Slaughtermelon’s anonymity (01:04:33)


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Discover Sgt. Slaughtermelon’s work here and connect with him on Twitter here.

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Apr 25, 202201:06:26
Bryan Brinkman on Animation, NFT Market, and Importance of Being Mentally Balanced

Bryan Brinkman on Animation, NFT Market, and Importance of Being Mentally Balanced


Bryan Brinkman is an artist and an animator who makes cartoons, drawings, and sketches. He also collects NFT art, helping young artists grow in the space.

We had a great time chatting about his passion for animation, the impact that art school had on his career, and his role on Saturday Night Live and the NFT skit.

We also talked about how to hustle your way to the audience, the challenges artists face, and the importance of having people you trust.

Tune in to find out who helps Bryan not get lost in the rabbit hole!

Key points discussed

  • A 14-year-old who was just making graphics for the internet (00:00)
  • Animation - soothing and inspiring (09:23)
  • What are Nim Buds? (19:08)
  • Work in television and media (30:00)
  • Joining the crypto art space - fresh start and developing his own art (39:27)
  • What is Bryan’s physical art like? (49:59)
  • Being in the space takes a toll; artists need other people to stay mentally balanced (57:47)
  • NFT market's not dead - it's back to where it was two months ago (1:02:24)
  • On fellow artists who went silent and those who attract attention making snarky tweets (01:10:01)
  • This is why it’s important to applaud people trying and failing (01:18:36)

Additional Resources

Visit Bryan Brinkman’s website and see his animations and crypto artwork. Connect with him on LinkedIn and Facebook, check out his art on Instagram, and follow him on Twitter.

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Aug 01, 202101:25:14
Crypto Art Curation with Martin Lukas Ostachowski

Crypto Art Curation with Martin Lukas Ostachowski

Martin Lukas Ostachowski is a crypto artist who explores geometric abstraction and minimalism. He also documents the blockchain and crypto art history on his website. We discuss his business background, the role curation plays in crypto art, and his latest async art drum.

We chat about starting his own web design agency at 13, how art myths are made, and whether or not Michelangelo made forgeries.

Martin also shares the new use he found for his high school sketchbook and what radio and TV have in common with NFT and galleries.

Tune in to find out how Martin documents crypto art history!

Key points discussed

  • A bookworm with a sketchbook and colored pens (00:00)
  • The beginnings: graphic design, media management and aviation (04:57)
  • Bohemian lifestyle artists are not the norm (09:38)
  • If you want to keep making art, you have to get paid (18:36)
  • Always bring your sketchbook with you (24:18)
  • The transition from physical to crypto (33:27)
  • Co-writing the first paper on crypto art (43:40)
  • Documenting crypto art history - this is how MLO does it (52:18)
  • You cannot censor people just because you don't like the art - that's not curation (58:05)
  • Getting towards platform-independent NFT standards (01:07:00)
  • Transparency in crypto art - both beautiful and scary (01:13:00)
  • What MLO plans next as an artist and a historian (01:17:00)

Additional Resources

Visit MLO’s website and see how he documents crypto art history. Check out his art on Instagram and follow him on Twitter.

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Jul 19, 202101:19:14
J.J. Weinberg on Art School, His Startup Artunity, and the Nonphysical Wrestling Federation

J.J. Weinberg on Art School, His Startup Artunity, and the Nonphysical Wrestling Federation

Since the age of 10, J.J Weinberg knew what he wanted to do. Exactly what he wanted to do. He told his mom that he was going to go to the American Academy of Art. Soon after, he won his first art competition, painting a “Just Say No” poster.

That’s how his journey began.

J.J. always had entrepreneurial aspirations. When he was 13, he bought 20 copies of “Spawn #1” dreaming that someday, he’d open a comic book shop.

He’s still working on it. But he enrolled in the Academy of Art thinking he’d become a comic book artist, studying under the iconic Alex Ross. There, the tutelage of Dr. Trapp helped J.J. develop his own unique style.

J.J. has accomplished a lot since college.

His painting “Midas’ Love - The Gold Kisser” won the Grand Prize award at the 2015 Pop-Up Art Festival, he was nominated for the Kennedy Artist Fellows Award in 2016, and his startup Artunity won the People’s Choice Award for the Startup of the Year in 2019.

Listen as we discuss his story in our 2-hour-long conversation.

Key points discussed

  • What would 9-year-old J.J. think of himself today (01:40)
  • American Academy of Arts, Alex Ross, and learning how to trace (02:55)
  • Authenticity, originality in the NFT space, and working with LAmour Supreme (11:22)
  • Clubhouse, fake experts in the space, and importance of having a story (18:21)
  • J.J. doing a Cubs painting for his father that went viral (21:40)
  • Bike ride e from Chicago to Washington, charisma , choosing to be an extrovert (27:17)
  • J.J.’s relationship with his father, Cubs World Series, Anthony Rizzo painting (35:28)
  • Jupiter Effect, meeting Gary Vee, the early NFT space (45:24)
  • What is Artunity, raising $100,000, digital meets magical (01:00:00)
  • Onboarding people into NFT space and Nonphysical Wrestling Federation (01:13:11)
  • Dave Weinberg, CM Crypto Punk, Million Dollar Dogecoin Man (01:20:34)
  • Making fun of NFTs, conscious evolution, Startup of the Year 2019 (01:26:38)
  • How to pitch your idea, Tom Ricketts, listening to Ron Santos (01:35:05)
  • Bootstrapping and reinvesting the money you made from your art (01:46:13)
  • Closing thoughts (01:52:13)

Additional Resources

You can reach out to J.J. via email. Check out his artwork on his website and OpenSea. See his videos on his YouTube channel. Follow him on Instagram, Twitter and LinkedIn.

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Jul 12, 202101:56:60
Hosting a NFT Podcast, Teaching Math, and Being a Crypto Artist With Darren Kleine

Hosting a NFT Podcast, Teaching Math, and Being a Crypto Artist With Darren Kleine

Darren Kleine began exploring the Blockchain some five years ago. Initially, he was making some extra cash as a ghostwriter for various marketing companies. He eventually wound up on Cointelegraph, working as a freelance writer.

Through Cointelegraph, Darren met several figures that introduced him to the world of crypto art. It didn’t take long for him to try his hand at it.

As DKleine he posts his work on SHOWTIME, KnownOrigin, and Hic Et Nunc. He’s mainly known for his zombie art. Political zombies. Crypto zombies. Pokémon zombies.

You name it, Darren has done it.

He also hosts the NFP With DKleine podcast, where he interviews crypto artists and investors. If I remember correctly, I was one of his first guests.

So much so that the guest appearance motivated me to start the podcast you’re listening to today.

Key points discussed

  • What would Darren at the age 11 think of himself today (01:55)
  • Zombies, comic books, and writing in high school (05:56)
  • Transition from teaching art to artist and being a math teacher (09:34)
  • Getting into crypto art, podcasting, and the remixing “Bitcoin Bitch” (14:25)
  • Washington Post on NFTs, NFT journalism, and podcasting vs. doing art (21:21)
  • Playing poker, doing math, and ROI collectors in the NFT space (28:32)
  • Digital abstract art and being known for a specific style  (35:43)
  • Card games, predicting the success of crypto, and learning the blockchain (43:03)
  • The Guild, connecting emotionally with artists, and writing process (51:06)
  • Twitter arguments, mental problems, and being a dog owner (58:05)
  • Doing art every day, creating NFTs, and importance of buying art (01:07:29)
  • Pricing art in crypto and minting on Flowchain/Waxchain (01:15:06)
  • Charged Particles and NFT in 10 years (01:30:22)
  • Interviewing people in crypto art, Gary Vee, and art criticism (01:39:20)
  • Celebrities in the NFT space, free market, and becoming an investor (01:46:07)
  • Separating art from the artists, podcast monetization, and writing quickly (01:54:33)
  • Planning your work, being spontaneous, and Darren’s art process (02:02:33)
  • Coping mechanisms, job security, and doing crypto art for a living (02:09:35)
  • Advertising for an art audience, picking guests, and trolling Disney (02:20:28)
  • Investing in meme coins, improving Ethereum, and retirement plans (02:32:15)
  • Closing thoughts (02:41:20)

Additional Resources

Follow Darren on Twitter and Instagram. See his art on OpenSea, Rarible, and Foundation. Subscribe to his podcast on Spotify.

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Jul 05, 202102:44:24
Ben Horning on Co-Funding BB Studios, Bar Spot Startup, and the Harmony and Discord Project

Ben Horning on Co-Funding BB Studios, Bar Spot Startup, and the Harmony and Discord Project

Ben Horning is a computer scientist, entrepreneur, and NFT enthusiast. He’s the co-founder of BB Studios, an NFT art guild that promotes a wide range of different crypto artists and provides Web3 services to users.

Now, it’s worth pointing out that from the get-go, Ben was looking for ways to monetize his efforts in the NFT space. Ben is a businessperson, after all.

He’s pretty transparent about it. However, one thing that sets him apart from your average investor is that he’s also looking to help as many artists as possible along the way.

His motto is “artists and styles first.”

In less than a year, Ben and his team were able to create an active community that promotes new crypto artists, previews their work in the BB Studio Decentraland gallery, and

They’ve also collaborated with more than 40 artists on projects like Crybecats, Cyberdogs, Heroes and Villains, and Life’s Fire, Death’s Ice. BB Studios also owns some of the finest AR locations out there, which you can see on their website.

Listen as Ben and I discuss his perspective on money as a teen, his failed startup venture, as well as his Harmony and Discord project he’s been working on.

Key points discussed

  • What would 12-year-old Ben Horning think of himself today (02:03)
  • Materialism, owning things vs. having experiences, and collecting (04:57)
  • Ben’s life before NFTs and his failed startup Bar Spot (07:47)
  • Learning from mistakes, bootstrapping, and celebrity investments (15:40)
  • Why it’s so hard to stay up-to-date in the NFT space (21:27)
  • Bitcoin becoming a corporate asset, Dogecoin, and investing in yourself (26:17)
  • How Ben met Big Daddy, building NFT galleries, and future of VR (32:12)
  • What’s going on with BB Studios and his Harmony and Discord project (39:29)
  • Early investments in Tezos, Ethereum gas fees, and NFT side-chains (45:47)
  • Eric being responsible for the NFT bubble not popping harder (53:36)
  • What’s the BB Studios Guild and what their projects are (57:31)
  • Gamifying the NFT space and microeconomics  (01:05:54)
  • The Heroes vs. Villains project, Tesla vs. Edison, and marketing (01:09:41)
  • Having a former Simpsons artist update the BB Studios website (01:13:40)
  • Urge to create art, NFT monetization, and  BB Studios’ Artist Hour (01:16:06)
  • Celebrities buying NFTs, collecting, and remixing CryptoPunks (01:23:23)
  • Future of BB Studios, curating Twitter and combining digital with physical (01:27:55)
  • What’s Ben focusing on with the Artist Hour (01:32:47)

Additional Resources

You can get in touch with Ben Horning through email. Make sure to visit the new BB Studios website. To stay updated on all things BB Studio, follow them on Twitter.

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Jun 28, 202101:39:22
Judy Lindsay on NFT Photography, Mental Health, and Bringing Music into NFT Space

Judy Lindsay on NFT Photography, Mental Health, and Bringing Music into NFT Space

GIFs. Poems. Tweets. Burnt Banksy prints. Anything can be turned into an NFT. The NFT space has helped traditional artists crossover into the digital world and make millions. However, one group of artists is still lagging: photographers.

But artists like Judy Lindsey are making an effort to change all of that.

Looking at it from a commercial perspective, NFT and photography are a match made in heaven. For years, digital photographers have had difficulties selling their work due to the number of photographers and protecting their intellectual rights.

NFTs can solve all of these problems. They provide a perfect opportunity for photographers to make a hefty sum just from selling a single photo. Just ask Kate Woodman, who recently sold her “Always Coca Cola” image for more than $20,000.

A photographer like Judy can now make a comfortable living selling minted photos.

Of course, that’s not the only thing about. Judy has struggled with mental issues all of her life, so the pandemic was especially rough on her. But NFTs kept her going.

Judy and I talk about how art has saved our lives, her love for horses, her radio career, how she helped her brother transition into the NFT space, and everything in between.

Key points discussed

  • Introduction (00:00)
  • How the NFT photography community started (01:53)
  • Judy’s mindset of loving-kindness, her soulmate horse, and mental health (08:16)
  • Who was Judy at 12 years old, artistic upbringing, and living with anxiety (19:37)
  • How anxiety affects Judy’s art, working with BLM, and receiving death threats (28:57)
  • Art education, being a gifted child, and helping her brother transition into NFT (34:08)
  • Judy’s radio show, Spotify playlists, and bringing music into the NFT space (43:39)
  • Foundation fee, the flexibility of Open Sea, and BLVD ST (49:23)

Additional Resources

If you want to stay updated on Judy’s work, you can follow her on Twitter. You can also follow the NFT Photo Art as well. To see her work, check her out on Open Sea and Foundation. Last but not least, check out Judy’s radio show on KBCS 91.3.

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Jun 21, 202155:02
Rob Prior on NFTs, Working With DC and Marvel and Doing Shows With Tech N9ne

Rob Prior on NFTs, Working With DC and Marvel and Doing Shows With Tech N9ne

Rob Prior is an extremely versatile artist. He’s an illustrator, screenwriter, director, and storyboard artist, among many other things. His career spans over three decades in comics, television, film, and gaming.

Should I go through his resume? Fine, if you insist.

In the comic book industry, Rob has worked with all of the heavy-hitters: Marvel, D.C., Image Comics, and Todd McFarlane, among others. In TV and Film, his most notable works include Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Terminator, Deep Space 9, and Game of Thrones.

And let’s not forget about his work in the gaming industry, Titleist and 2K. As an illustrator, his work can be seen on many tabletop adventures, including Dungeons and Dragons, Wizards of the Coasts, Battle Lords of the 23rd Century, and many others.

Yes, Rob has a ton of nerd cred; however, that’s not what most people know him for.

He’s mainly known for live paintings. Rob has been a staple of the Comic-Con scene for years. It’s easy to find Rob at a convention. Just look for a large crowd of people watching a man in trans, painting with both hands - sometimes with his eyes closed.

The two of us discuss how Rob started his career at a very young age, how it is to paint with two hands, live shows with Tech N9ne, and of course, the NFT space.

Key points discussed

  • Introduction (00:00)
  • What would 8-year-old Rob think about himself today (01:15)
  • Art training at an early age and working professionally at the age of 13 (04:32)
  • Value of college, networking, and doing short films with his son (08:52)
  • Learning through failure and the culture of success (14:50)
  • Being ambidextrous, working on stage, and painting with eyes closed (17:40)
  • The role pop culture plays in Rob’s work and his favorite thing to paint (24:30)
  • Working with Tech N9ne on stage and videos for A Day to Remember (26:48)
  • Giant Britney Spears mural working on Dungeons and Dragons, and directing (31:21)
  • Constantly learning, writer’s block, and working on five things simultaneously (34:53)
  • Working in the NFT space, copyright and IP, and proof of origin (36:41)
  • Understanding NFTs, experimenting, and being labeled as a performance artist (41:47)
  • Painting with loud music, having apprentices, and (45:47)

Additional Resources

To contact Rob Prior, you can shoot him an email. If you want to follow him, make sure to visit his official website. Don’t forget to follow him on Instagram and Twitter.

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Jun 14, 202150:30
Peter Bowles on the Foundation of NFT Arts, His PR Career, and AR/VR in Crypto

Peter Bowles on the Foundation of NFT Arts, His PR Career, and AR/VR in Crypto

Peter Bowles is a seasoned PR specialist, an early adopter of online marketing, a pioneer of viral marketing, and the founder of NFT Arts.

From setting up an account for the youngest blogger in the world to creating a Bitcoin college foundation for a baby, Peter Bowles is known for his PR stunts. He was one of the early adopters of online marketing and he managed to create several viral campaigns, beginning in the early-2000s.

Peter likes to be early on stuff, so it’s no wonder that he already dipped his toes into the ocean that’s crypto art.

While most people would just open a crypto exchange, Peter’s plans are much more ambitious. He wants to open a gallery. An NFT gallery. One that would show the people what NFTs are. A platform that would allow Joe Average to dive into the world of crypto art.

Peter is currently building a VR gallery, but they also have a plan of opening a physical gallery. Join us, as we discuss the early days of the Internet, the importance of mental health, and his experience with the Woz and the RZA of the Wu-Tang Clan.

Key points discussed

  • Introduction      (00:00)
  • What’s NFT Arts, how it works, and museum experiences (02:01)
  • How NFT Arts bridges the gap between crypto and traditional gallery models (09:15)
  • Peter’s upbringing and who he was at 20 years old (15:22)
  • PR work in the last two decades, Kickstarter campaigns, and bootstrapping (22:53)
  • Why Peter took a 6-month absence, mental health, and Steve Wozniak story (31:31)
  • What’s Peter’s ultimate goal with the NFT Arts gallery (38:55)
  • The NFT community, minting podcasts, and meeting NFT artists in person (45:08)
  • Being in touch with the Woz and the RZA from the Wu-Tang Clan (52:27)
  • What kind of art is featured on NFT Arts and gallery tour guides (58:51)
  • AR, VR, and the experiential aspect of NFT art (01:05:41)
  • Verification in crypto art, secret NFTs, and sharing the creative process (01:11:52)

Additional Resources

Reach out to Peter through email. Follow Peter on Twitter and make sure to follow the NFT Arts account as well. To stay updated on all things NFT Arts bookmark their official website.

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Jun 07, 202101:18:02
Ben Haley on Queer Crypto Art, Parasocial Relationships, and True Value of Craft Arts

Ben Haley on Queer Crypto Art, Parasocial Relationships, and True Value of Craft Arts

Ben Haley is a unique crypto artist that combines sculpture, performance, and digital art to create really charming creations.

Ben was born in Sunderland and their upbringing mainly focused on finding traditional employment, despite their artistic nature. You can see a lot of their early life in their work today. Especially in performances, which analyze economics and entrepreneurship.

They’ve performed at institutions such as Cobalt Studios and Bowes Museum as Miss Penny Press. Recently, Ben’s been using the Ethereum Blockchain to produce provably-rare crypto art. Their art has been exhibited at the Nifty Pride Foundation.

If you know anything about Ben, you probably know that you’ll never get a linear conversation out of them. But that’s a part of their charm.

Ben’s talking about the Craft & Crypto Art initiative they’ve been working on alongside Jen’s a Little Loopy and Noviol that encourages craft artists to get into crypto art.

Find out all about it and a lot more in our hour-and-a-half-long interview.

Key points discussed

  • Introduction (00:00)
  • What was Ben Haley like when he was 8 years old (02:35)
  • Being a natural introvert and high school years (05:35)
  • Ben’s early online problems, parasocial interactions, and Toby Fox story (09:26)
  • How did Ben became interested in parasocial relationships and doing research (15:59)
  • Play-to-Earn, Robert Hoogendoorn, and the NFT space feeling cult-ish (20:42)
  • Three things Ben desperately wants to talk about (25:45)
  • Craft & Crypto Art and what CreateBase is (27:06)
  • Ben’s art process, how he sculpts his pieces, and Anish Kapoor vs. Stuart Semple (32:15)
  • The influence minority cultures in the United States (40:25)
  • Accessibility on the Internet and how the crypto world isn’t accessible enough (44:10)
  • Protecting the vulnerable in the crypto community, trigger warnings, and cancel culture (54:12)
  • Sex workers in the NFT space and why their art doesn’t sell (01:00:37)
  • The state of the crypto art market in terms of collectors and platforms (01:06:35)
  • Craft & Crypto Art, true value of craft arts, and disrespect of fiber art (01:15:09)
  • RuPaul’s Drag Race, Stonewall riots, and learning about Queer history (01:21:03)
  • Our responsibilities, how the government handles epidemics, and Eric’s uncle (01:27:02)

Additional Resources

You can contact Ben Haley directly via email. If you want to stay updated on their work, you can follow them on Twitter. And make sure to check out their art on Open Sea.

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May 31, 202101:35:24
Reviiser on Blue Collar Jobs, Temporary Paintings, and the Trash Art Movement

Reviiser on Blue Collar Jobs, Temporary Paintings, and the Trash Art Movement

Dave Estes, also known as Reviiser is a musician, illustrator, and crypto artist.

At an early age, Dave had artistic ambitions. He went to an art college, but he dropped out before graduating. After spending a few years working as a lineman – one of the top 10 most dangerous jobs in America – and doing art on the side, he decided it was time for a change.

That’s when he discovered crypto art.

Since 2018, Dave has worked on a ton of different pieces. However, his most interesting work is the “temporary paintings” series, in which he paints a picture every day, using the same canvas, only to erase it immediately. He’s been doing this for over a year.

Join our conversation as we discuss how he managed to redirect his life back to arts, how the surrealist movement inspires him on an ideological level and his temporary paintings.

Key points discussed

- Introduction (00:00)
- What was 10-year-old Dave like and was art part of his background (01:22)
- Parent support and dropping out of art college (05:13)
- Working as a lineman, taking care of the family, and having art as an outlet (09:55)
- Tinkering, 3D printing, and designing his own cyber-deck (15:31)
- Being a life-long learner and studying art in high school vs. college (20:39)
- Finding an audience, not following rules, Dave’s PixelArt story (27:23)
- The idea behind Dave’s temporary paintings and will he ever mint them (35:29)
- Dave’s favorite pieces that he wiped away (43:21)
- What’s Dave working outside his temporary paintings (48:19)
- The concept of practicing in public, podcasting, and the effects of COVID-19 (54:55)
- Being inspired by the surrealist movement on an ideological level (01:02:33)
- Discovering trash art, the idea of crypto art, and decentralized art space (01:07:34)
- Dave’s plans for this year (01:13:20)

Additional Resources

You can follow Reviiser on Twitter. Make sure to check out his work on SuperRare, Rarible, and KnownOrigin.

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May 24, 202101:14:36
Olive Allen on Her Education, Saving Manhattan, and Being a Crypto Art Pioneer

Olive Allen on Her Education, Saving Manhattan, and Being a Crypto Art Pioneer

Olive Allen is a New York-based visual artist. She’s a true pioneer of the crypto art movement has been a part of the NFT space since its inception in 2018.

Not only was Olive one of the first artists in the crypto art space, but she played a role in shaping the entire movement. She’s also one of the most diverse crypto artists working today.

She has her No One’s Available, Everyone’s Busy series on Open Sea, Hallowcracy on Async Art, while her CoinDesk Most Influential portrait of Charles Cascarilla has been auctioned off on Nifty Gateway. And that’s only a small chunk of her work.

I had the pleasure of talking with Olive for an hour straight. We talk about her background in design, flipping Supreme on eBay, her short-lived acting career, and marketing on crypto art platforms, among other things.

Key points discussed

- Introduction (00:00)

- What would a 7-year-old Olive Allen think of herself now (01:22)

- How being a “know-it-all” helped Olive in the entrepreneurial world (04:32)

- Doing design work, flipping Supreme on eBay, and programming bots (06:58)

- Olive’s education, studying architecture and majoring in industrial design (12:38)

- How to save Manhattan from being flooded when the ocean levels rise (15:57)

- Being passionate about the environment and saving polar bears and koalas (18:21)

- How crypto impacts the environment and Ethereum 2.0 (20:52)

- Living in New York for 10 years, being antisocial in a big city (23:50)

- The crypto art movement and NFTs actually are (28:00)

- What crypto art platforms is Olive Allen currently using (31:59)

- How success stories like FEWOCiOUS are not the norm in crypto art (37:18)

- Fractionalizing your work, limited edition prints, and new platforms (40:46)

- People not understanding crypto art and not believing in NFTs (46:16)

- Is Olive actually banned from SuperRare (52:02)

- What’s Olive Ellen working on and what she got planned (55:05)

Additional Resources

Make sure to check out Olive’s official website. Make sure to follow her on Twitter and Instagram.

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May 20, 202101:00:55
Gary Cartlidge on His Journey from Extreme Sports to Crypto Art

Gary Cartlidge on His Journey from Extreme Sports to Crypto Art

Gary Cartlidge is a UK graphic designer, illustrator, and crypto artist. Also, he’s a very good friend of mine. I’ve been a fan of Gary’s work for years. He’s the only artist that would make me consider buying something off Nifty Gateway.

How to describe Gary’s work? Well, it’s chaotic. In a good way. Sometimes minimal. Other times maximal. Lots of his work uses digital elements, bright colors, and bold lines. His style varies from piece to piece but you can always recognize that it’s his work.

That’s why I love him.

We talk about everything from being an extreme sports athlete in his early days to the impact the Internet had on his art. Keep in mind that we haven’t spoken in 6 months, so our conversation goes in many directions over 75 minutes.

Key points discussed

- Introduction (00:00)

- What would 12-year-old Gary think of himself today (02:34)

- How Gary’s transition from extreme sports to the next phase of his life (06:51)

- Studying the psychology of extreme sports athlete (09:55)

- Being a lifelong learner and possibly going back to college (15:05)

- Gary’s experience with gaming and how it made him feel disconnected (18:32)

- Major themes in Gary’s art and why are they important to him (23:17)

- How the Internet can create a false sense of community (26:58)

- People in the Crypto Art community thrive on living rather than surviving (33:00)

- How would the people react to COVID-19 in the 60s and 70s (38:27)

- Crypto art platforms and being ahead of the curve (44:08)

- NFT as a music file format and its potential lifespan (48:12)

- Using Tezos as a way to onboard into the NFT space (52:17)

- The difference between creating content and art (58:53)

- Nifty Gateway and Gary’s experience with the platform (01:03:00)

- How Rarible helped the Crypto Art community (01:08:47)

- Crypto artists moving from Western to Asian countries (01:11:55)

Additional Resources

To see Gary’s art, make sure to check him out on Super Rare. If you want to see some of his old work, follow him on Instagram. For updates, you should also follow him on Twitter.

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May 17, 202101:16:34
Blake Jamieson on Using His Marketing Expertise to Jumpstart His Art Career

Blake Jamieson on Using His Marketing Expertise to Jumpstart His Art Career

Blake Jamieson is an NFT artist hailing from NY. He’s well-known for his pop art portraits of famous sports figures. He’s made paintings for celebrities like Joe Montana, Howie Mandel, Drew Brees, and over 400 NFL, MLS, and NBA athletes.

How he got here? Well, let’s just say his success story isn’t all that traditional. Despite being passionate about art since an early age, he studied economics and worked as a marketer. 

On his 30th birthday, he decided to quit his job, pack his bags, and go to Spain. After spending some time in Barcelona, he rediscovered his passion for art and became a painter. He’s been at it ever since.

We talk about everything from the time he spent in Barcelona and his roots in marketing to how former MLB player Micah Johnson introduced him to NFTs and his team up with Terrell Owens.


Key points discussed

- What would 8-9-year-old Blake think of Blake Jamieson today (02:25)

- How studying economics and working in marketing helped Blake’s art (04:25)

- Time spent in Barcelona and how much steer art affected Blake’s style (07:18)

- Blake’s family, upbringing, and growing up in an artistic household (12:00)

- Why did Blake move from his family farm to Brooklyn (21:03)

- The sports art market, marketing your art, and the importance of networking (25:11)

- How did Blake end up doing more than 400 paintings for NFL players (28:36)

- Licensing deal with Tops and how the collaboration started (34:54)

- The NBC interview that leads to a friendship with Mark McGuire (40:13)

- Micah Johnson and Blake’s introduction to the NFT space (44:42)

- Working with Terrell Owens, crowdsourcing NFT art, and popcorn sales (50:25)

- The number of new people in the NFT space (01:00:26)

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Additional Resources

You can visit Blake’s websites by clicking here and here. Connect with him on LinkedIn. Check his art out on Instagram. Get in touch with him on Twitter. And subscribe to Blake’s YouTube channel for his weekly streams.

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May 10, 202101:05:37
Matt Szczur on His Baseball Career and Using NFT Art as a Way to Change Lives

Matt Szczur on His Baseball Career and Using NFT Art as a Way to Change Lives

May 03, 202149:50
Shaolin Shoppe on Vaporwave, Crypto Art, and the Best Kung-Fu Movie Ever

Shaolin Shoppe on Vaporwave, Crypto Art, and the Best Kung-Fu Movie Ever


Shaolin Shoppe is a crypto artist, bass player, and one of the OGs in the trash art space. He got into crypto art before it was cool, spending only 3$ to mint his first NFT. Shaolin’s style is influenced by vaporwave, trash art, and glitch.

Today we discuss his art background, the future of NFTs, what makes crypto better than fiat, and why cities are overrated. Shaolin also shares his favorite kung-fu movie, plays bass, and shares valuable advice for NFT newcomers.

Tune in to find out what the NFT scene looked like way back in 2018 and what’s next for Shaolin Shoppe.

Key points discussed

  • If Shaolin didn’t become a crypto artist, he’d be a cowboy (00:00)
  • The coolest bass lines in the history of music (09:48)
  • How Shaolin creates music and why he has more bass guitars than he needs (13:13)
  • Shaolin’s art background and the best kung-fu movies (22:35)
  • What’s an NFD and what’s Shaolin’s tongue-in-cheek statement behind it (31:35)
  • Shaolin’s crypto art aesthetic and the most exciting collaborations (37:08)
  • What’s next for Shaolin and the crypto art world (45:04)
  • Who are Shaolin’s biggest collectors and how to get involved in the community (50:44)
  • How Shaolin got into NFT and the case for spending crypto in the real world (01:00:15)
  • Advice for NFT newcomers: You got to play the game (01:09:23)

Additional Resources

Follow Shaolin’s Twitter and get his art on here and get his art at MyBAE.

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Apr 27, 202101:14:46
The Artist Coach, Molls: Mental Health Coach, Author & Artist

The Artist Coach, Molls: Mental Health Coach, Author & Artist

My guest today is Molls and in this episode, we talk about growing up in the 70s, her hedonistic lifestyle on the island of Ibiza in the 90s, and her awakening experience after a mental breakdown in 2008.

Apr 08, 202148:23
'Stache - Bitcoiner, Blockchain Gamer, Content Creator, Entrepreneur, Musician, & Designer

'Stache - Bitcoiner, Blockchain Gamer, Content Creator, Entrepreneur, Musician, & Designer

My guest today is 'Stache and we talk about everything from being an architectural designer, the impact the 2008 financial crash had on him, and his role as an educator in the crypto community. 

Apr 04, 202158:15
St. Heresy: Artist, Gamer, and Graphic Designer

St. Heresy: Artist, Gamer, and Graphic Designer

My guest today is St. Heresy and we talk about everything from her love of puzzles as a child, to the excitement of her first NFT sale, and the pressures and expectations put on women as NFT artists. 

Mar 17, 202101:57:07
Gary Vaynerchuk: Entrepreneur, Investor, Influencer, and NFT Artist

Gary Vaynerchuk: Entrepreneur, Investor, Influencer, and NFT Artist

My guest today is Gary Vee and we talk about the cultural impact of digital collectibles and NFTs over the next 20 years. 

Mar 08, 202129:23
Colborn Bell: Founder of The Museum of Crypto Art (MOCA)

Colborn Bell: Founder of The Museum of Crypto Art (MOCA)

In this episode, we talk about growing up in California, his experience as a trader, and the origins of The Museum of Crypto Art.

Mar 04, 202101:19:05
Bittty: Bitcoin Artist, Glitch Artist, and Sculptor

Bittty: Bitcoin Artist, Glitch Artist, and Sculptor

My guest today is Bittty and we talk about everything from the struggle with a mental health journey, to having a 10-year creative block unlocked by crypto art, and being interested in the mechanics of data manipulation in glitch art.

Feb 17, 202101:09:02
[Trash Art Week 2021 - Panel #5] The Hashmasks with Allen Hena (Unedited)

[Trash Art Week 2021 - Panel #5] The Hashmasks with Allen Hena (Unedited)

Talked with the community manager of The Hashmasks, Allen Hena, about the project, big questions, and the mystery surrounding it. 

Feb 16, 202143:07
[Trash Art Week 2021 - Panel #4] Trash Artists: One Year Later (Unedited)

[Trash Art Week 2021 - Panel #4] Trash Artists: One Year Later (Unedited)

Trash artists involved with the movement since its inception talk about their roots, what inspires them, and what they're looking forward to. This crypto artists panel includes Second Realm, and Cryptoyun, Synoptic, WGMeets, Bruce the Goose, Bitjamin, and Kamisama.

Feb 16, 202102:20:13
[Trash Art Week 2021 - Panel #3] Trash Art: One Year Later (Unedited)

[Trash Art Week 2021 - Panel #3] Trash Art: One Year Later (Unedited)

A panel featuring transdimensional artist Max Osiris; the founder of Avastars, Jim “j1mmy” McNelis; and the god-father of trash art Robness Cumba. In this panel, we reflect on the last year of NFT art through the lens of trashart.

Feb 16, 202158:37
[Trash Art Week 2021 - Panel #2] Alt-chain NFT Platforms for Artists (Unedited)

[Trash Art Week 2021 - Panel #2] Alt-chain NFT Platforms for Artists (Unedited)

We had Julia Ponsford from NFT Showroom (HIVE); Nate Geier from Mintbase (NEAR Protocol); Vincente from GhostMarket (Phantasma chain); and Lee from WAX Blockchain talk about the challenges and benefits of creating new market places for digital collectibles.

Feb 16, 202150:24
[Trash Art Week 2021 - Panel #1] Art Curation on the Blockchain (Unedited)

[Trash Art Week 2021 - Panel #1] Art Curation on the Blockchain (Unedited)

Jay Delay and Sascha Bailey talk about the opportunities and challenges related to art curation broadly throughout the history of art and more specifically about curation as it impacts artists, collectors, and platforms in a decentralized ecosystem.

Feb 16, 202102:23:17
Max Osiris: Transdimensional Artist, Crypto Art Provocateur, and Time Traveler.

Max Osiris: Transdimensional Artist, Crypto Art Provocateur, and Time Traveler.

My guest today is Max Osiris and we talk about everything from growing up in Lithuania, to the pitfalls of success, and pushing the boundaries of crypto art.

Feb 15, 202101:00:25
Collin Dyer: Art Collector, Lawyer, and Metal Artist

Collin Dyer: Art Collector, Lawyer, and Metal Artist

My guest today is Collin Dyer and we talk about everything from the influence of his high school teacher on his art education, his experience writing patents for a law firm, and the mental models he uses to value digital art. 

Feb 09, 202101:21:44
Crypto Yuna: World Traveler, Mom, OG Trash Artist, and Collaborator Extraordinaire

Crypto Yuna: World Traveler, Mom, OG Trash Artist, and Collaborator Extraordinaire

My guest today is Crypto Yuna, and we talk about traveling the world in her youth, to being a mom during the pandemic, and her preference for K-dramas over crypto art drama.

Feb 09, 202138:59
How to Reframe Your Past Experiences and Build Confidence as an Artist

How to Reframe Your Past Experiences and Build Confidence as an Artist

In this quick-take episode, photographer and crypto artist Cyber Shakti talks about reframing her past experiences and building confidence in herself as an artist:

“Everything in my life has culminated to this….standup comedy taught me how to make people feel at ease, marketing taught me how to be professional, photography gave me aesthetics, glitch art gave me expression. So I think that everything I’ve done in my life is culminating so that I can be a crypto artist.”

Feb 05, 202105:08
Darren Cullen: Founder of Graffiti Kings, Graffiti Artist, and Former Train Station Conductor

Darren Cullen: Founder of Graffiti Kings, Graffiti Artist, and Former Train Station Conductor

My guest today is Darren Cullen, and we talk about everything from his path into graffiti, to a stint as a station conductor so that he can paint the train stations, to being endorsed by the British Government for his graffiti work.

Feb 03, 202147:53
Two Ways Artists Can Grow an Audience

Two Ways Artists Can Grow an Audience

Sascha Bailey is the CEO of Blockchain Art Exchange. He is also an artist representative and art curator. And even though he's in his 20's he has over 10 years of experience in the traditional fine art industry. In this quick-take episode, i asked him, "If an artist in the cryptoart space is looking to grow an audience, what do you recommend they do?"

Jan 29, 202105:24
Jay Delay: Arts Educator, Punk Rocker, Trash Artist, $SPAM Founder, and Environmentalist

Jay Delay: Arts Educator, Punk Rocker, Trash Artist, $SPAM Founder, and Environmentalist

My guest today is Jay Delay, and we talk about everything from his role as a youth art educator, the impact that punk rock has had on his life, and his artistic exploration of NFTs as a communication platform.

Jan 27, 202142:03
Cyber Shakti: Glitch Artist, Comedian, Crypto Artist, and Photographer

Cyber Shakti: Glitch Artist, Comedian, Crypto Artist, and Photographer

My guest today is Cyber Shakti and we talk about everything from how The Devine Feminine shows up in her work, to how she got her start in glitch art in 2016, as-well-as a 2-year stint as a stand-up comedian.

Jan 22, 202127:43
Sascha Bailey: CEO of Blockchain Art Exchange (BAE), Artist Representative, and Art Curator

Sascha Bailey: CEO of Blockchain Art Exchange (BAE), Artist Representative, and Art Curator

My guest is Sascha Bailey, CEO of digital art platform Blockchain Art Exchange, and we talk about everything from growing up in a creative family, curating an erotic art show at 18, and the role that Blockchain Art Exchange plays in cryptoart.

Jan 15, 202101:18:38