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The Pursuit of Love

The Pursuit of Love

By Steve Claydon & Darcy J Smyth
A Business Owner and a Psychologist get together each week to discuss and debate the idea behind throwing your entire life into the pursuit of that which you love the most. We often chat with Outliers who are pursuing the work they love as their primary source of income. This includes sales professionals, athletes, business owners and entrepreneurs.

We peel back the layers of the onion to find out who they really are, how they see the business world at large and why they chose this pursuit (when they really could have done a million other things).

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54: Darcy & Steve
Steve Claydon and Darcy Smyth sit down to give an update, reflect, and say what's on their minds Timecodes: 01:16 - News announcement 10:28 - Joe Rogan Reflections: Thoughts Kanye West and Matthew McConaughey 19:38 - Challenging one's ingrained perspectives 39:10 - Darcy's advice for Steve's children 44:35 - Steve on not talking to his kids like babies 54:14 - Understanding Grief
December 16, 2020
53: Kevin Dorsey
Kevin 'KD' Dorsey is the VP of inside sales at PatientPop Inc. This week Steve and Darcy sit down with KD and discuss what it means to 'put the person back in salesperson', the right approach to change, and the power of self-learning. You can follow KD over on LinkedIn:  TIMECODES: 00:00 - Introduction 02:38 - Putting the Person back in Salesperson 07:30 - Why people are averse to change 15:08 - Modern Happiness 23:05 - The Source of Fulfillment in Business 31:08 - Self-learning 41:15 - The Two Golden Questions
December 8, 2020
52: Galem Girmay
Galem Girmay is the co-founder of RevGenius, a Sales Professional, and current Account Exec at FlyWire who joins the podcast this week to talk about her vast life experiences and their alignment to a career in sales. You can follow Galem over at: Twitter: LinkedIn: Sign up for RevGenius here: TIMECODES: 00:00 - Introduction 01:57 - Self Care 06:06 - Exploration, Being Adventurous, & Living Abroad 20:56 - Being Mindful of Time Spent 35:41 - The Two Golden Questions
October 27, 2020
51: Jared Robin
Justin Robin joins the podcast this week all the way from New York City! Jared is the Co-Founder of RevGenius, a community platform for sales and marketing professionals to learn, share, support, and grow with each other. You can follow him here: And find RevGenius here: TIMECODES: 00:00 - Where have we been? 02:10 - Justin’s Business Origins 14:06 - The Entrepreneurial Mindset 21:16 - The ‘Point of No Return’ Anxiety 29:18 - Why RevGenius? 40:37 - The Two Golden Questions If you have a question that you’d like answered on the podcast, send it in to:
October 7, 2020
50: Josh Desha
The Pursuit of Love is now on YouTube! If you’d like to not only hear us talk but also see us as we do it, you can check out this episode and all previous ones on our new YouTube channel right here: Our guest this week is Josh Desha, a Sales Coaching and Training Expert who works alongside previous Pursuit of Love legends Dale Dupree, Jack Wilson, and more! You can find him on LinkedIn here: TIMECODES 00:00:00 - Is Austin The Best City In The World? 00:07:59 - Josh’s Connection To The Sales Rebellion 00:17:02 - What Don’t You Like About Sales? 00:42:37 - Virtue Signalling 00:49:56 - The Upcoming U.S. Election 01:01:27 - The Two Golden Questions If you have a question you’d like to have answered on the podcast, please send it in to:
August 26, 2020
49: Kane Pitman
Kane Pitman is a sports media journalist and Australia’s #1 Milwaukee Bucks fan. He joins the podcast this week to chat with Steve & Darcy about the realities behind the curtain of sports journalism and the state of the industry during COVID-19. You can follow Kane on Twitter here: TIMECODES 00:00 - Introduction 01:39 - Starting Out In Sports Journalism 15:11 - Turning Your Hobby Into Work 25:07 - How Do You Handle Pressure? 31:27 - Is A Personal Brand Important? 35:51 - Sports Journalism In 2020 42:38 - The Two Golden Questions
August 19, 2020
48: Scott Barker
Scott Barker is the Head of Partnerships for Sales Hacker, Evangelist for Outreach, and a fellow Podcaster who joins us this week all the way from Vancouver, Canada! You can connect with Scott here: TIMECODES 00:00 - Introduction 05:53 - Travel & New Ideas 14:09 - “I Fell Into Sales” 17:42 - “If You Tell Someone They’re Special, They’ll Become Special” 23:35 - “Who Do You Say I Am?” 33:43 - What is Scott’s Pursuit of Love? 36:34 - The Two Golden Questions If you have a question you’d like to hear answered on the podcast, please send it in to:
August 12, 2020
47: Glenn Azar
Glenn Azar is an adventure professional, gym owner, fellow podcaster, and good friend of the show! Glenn joins us this week for an in depth chat on the coaching industry and the power behind backing other people. You can follow Glenn’s work over at: TIMECODES 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:01:14 - Business & New Podcasts During COVID 00:10:00 - Sports Coaching 00:16:46 - The World’s New Hunger For Depth & Knowledge 00:26:34 - COVID’s Mindset Effects 00:31:30 - How Did Everyone First Meet? 00:44:19 - Backing Others 01:05:18 - Suicide 01:17:36 - When Glenn Heard That Alyssa Had Summited Everest 01:23:01 - The Two Golden Questions If you have a question you’d like to hear answered on the podcast, please send it in to:
August 5, 2020
46: Chris Watson
Master storyteller and Sales Rebellion member Chris Watson joins the podcast this week! Follow him over on LinkedIn at: TIMECODES 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:01:10 - Life KPI’s & Satisfaction 00:10:46 - What Story Do You Life By? 00:19:34 - The ‘Thing’ We Do So Effortlessly 00:29:01 - Performance Language 00:36:32 - The Transitions of Life 00:48:33 - The Road Less Travelled 01:01:39 - The Two Golden Questions If you have a question you’d like to hear answered on the podcast, please send it in to:
July 29, 2020
45: Jay Small
Jay Small is the current Regional Director of Cinch I.T. in Boston who joins the podcast this week to chat about the differences between Australia and the USA, business within the world of sports, and personal lessons learnt from his time running a new business. You can find Jay on LinkedIn here: TIMECODES 00:00 - Introduction 05:32 - Starting A Business During COVID 09:58 - Who IS Jay Small? 15:16 - USA vs. AUS - What’s The Difference? 27:49 - The Business of Sports 41:19 - Jay’s Sales Origins 47:30 - Lessons From The First 12 Months In Business 51:15 - The Two Golden Questions If you have a question you’d like to have answered on the podcast, please send it in to:
July 23, 2020
44: Difff Crowther
Difff Crowther returns for a third time to The Pursuit of Love for another deep dive into philosophy, history, and gaining a true understanding of your personal convictions.  TIMECODES 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:04:51 - Is COVID Anything New? 00:13:17 - Frankenstein & The Death of the Author 00:26:12 - Adam Sandler & Matt’s Watchlist 00:36:28 - What Are Your Convictions? 00:51:27 - Is History Repeating Itself? 01:01:24 - Unless An Idea Is Practically Useful, Does It Have Any Value? 01:09:43 - Intermission 01:11:06 - #Philosophy 01:57:36 - Is The World Becoming A Better Place? 02:04:19 - Difff’s Parting Words  If you have a question you'd like answered on the podcast, please send it through to:
July 15, 2020
43: Dylan Lesock
Childhood friend of Darcy's and a multiple business owner, Dylan Lesock drops by the podcast this week to chat about his business origins and how he's come out on top during the COVID pandemic. You can follow him online over at: Clarke Clean: /// The Underground Ballarat: /// TIMECODES 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:03:06 - Rebellion and Business Startup 00:27:25 - Running a Gym 00:39:24 - Dylan’s Business Advice 00:56:19 - The Two Golden Questions As always, if you've got any questions you'd like the gang to tackle send them over to:
July 8, 2020
42: Sam Kent
Sam Kent is a long time friend of Darcy’s and Co-owner of Sky Energy Systems. He joined the podcast this week where we talked about ‘The Heroes Journey’ that we’re all required to face in life and how that aligns to current world circumstances. If you’d like more info about Sky Energy Systems, you can find them here: TIMECODES 00:00 - Introductions and Sam’s Background 08:09 - Facing Pain to later embrace Pleasure 17:49 - How are People handling current world circumstances? 30:33 - Is the world becoming Better or Worse? 47:54 - ‘The Heroes Journey’ 51:43 - The Two Golden Questions If you have a question that you’d like the podcast to tackle one week, send it over to:
June 30, 2020
41: Nat Hodges
Nathaniel Hodges is a consultant, previous guest of the show, current Sales Game record setter, and an intricately deep thinker. If you'd like to get in contact with Nat, you can reach him at: TIMECODES 00:00:00 - Nat Hodges Introduction 00:04:23 - Time Compression & Flourishing during COVID-19 00:15:47 - Nat’s Definition of Self 00:22:37 - On Being A Human 00:37:08 - Unity, Division, and Making It All Practical 00:52:52 - Owning Your Flaws 00:59:57 - Ayahuasca Ceremonies & Taking Depth Too Seriously 01:07:12 - What Is Bravo Working On & Pivoting Under Pressure 01:19:04 - How Does A Deep Thinker Do The Mundane? 01:26:51 - Outro And as always, please send in any questions you'd love to hear answered to:
June 24, 2020
40: The Sales Game
The gang interviews 'The Sales Game' this week and goes in depth on where it came from, what the experience is all about, and how you can join in too! You can find more information about The Sales Game over at: TIMECODES 00:00 - Introduction to The Sales Game 02:25 - The history of The Sales Game 10:26 - Creating a ‘simulated’ environment 20:22 - Summary and key insights 29:47 - Personal highlights from previous events 34:51 - How would you play? And as always, if there are any questions you have that you'd love to hear answered on the podcast, send them in to:
June 17, 2020
39: Darcy Smyth
This week we complete the ‘interviewing ourselves’ trilogy with a Darcy J. Smyth focused episode. Throughout the conversation Darcy went deep into his love of the human brain, his early family life, and dealing with more recent tragedies. If you’d like to reach out to any of us on the podcast, you can find us on LinkedIn below: Steve Claydon: Darcy Smyth: Matt Gall: TIMECODES 00:00:00 - Introduction and podcast birthday. 00:03:08 - Joe Rogan Spotify deal. 00:05:48 - Darcy’s love of the human brain. 00:13:30 - Darcy’s desire to leave an impact through knowledge. 00:20:04 - Darcy’s early family life. 00:26:11 - Darcy’s take on education. 00:32:43 - Darcy’s key defining life moment. 00:41:28 - Darcy’s mother. 00:55:45 - Darcy’s learnings from his life experiences. 01:06:21 - Darcy’s advice on ‘opening up’. 01:09:57 - Outro And if you have a question you’d like to be answered on the podcast, DM any of us or shoot an e-mail through to:
June 2, 2020
38: David Weiss
David Weiss is a top performing sales executive, leader, author, and sales coach who dropped by the podcast this week to talk about his start in sales and personal passion for the industry. If you'd like to connect with David, you can do so over on his LinkedIN: And if you have a question you'd like to hear answered on the podcast, send it in an e-mail to:
May 27, 2020
37: Steve Claydon
The three amigos tackle the podcast with no guest this week to give you a deep dive into the mind and personal history of Steve Claydon. You can find Steve on LinkedIn: Also, if you have any questions you'd like answered on the podcast, please send them in to:
May 20, 2020
36: Jeffery Villegas & Jack Wilson
Repeat offender Jack Wilson returns for a 'rebel takeover' of the podcast alongside our good friend and co-founder of The Sales Rebellion, Jeffery Villegas.  You can find Jack and Jeff online at: The Sales Rebellion: Jeff's LinkedIn: Jack's LinkedIn: If you have any questions you'd like to hear answered on a future episode, send them over to:
May 13, 2020
35: Mitch & Emily Richardson
Mitch and Emily Richardson join the podcast this week to chat about their respective businesses and the personal passion that is required to run one, especially during challenging times such as these. You can follow them over at: Castle and Crown: FB: Ruby Lane Flower Co: Instagram:
May 6, 2020
34: Scott Ingram
Founder of The Sales Success Summit and The Sales Success Stories Podcast, Scott Ingram graces the podcast with his presence this week. You can follow Scott on Linkedin: or at his website: If you have a question that you'd like The Pursuit of Love to tackle, send it in to:
April 29, 2020
33: Ricky Sinclair
This week on The Pursuit of Love podcast we welcome a good friend of Darcy's, Ricky Sinclair! Ricky owns and operates Epic Snow tours and dropped by to let us in on how the experience he offers runs a little deeper than just snowboarding. You can catch him over at: Website: Instagram: As always, if you have any questions that you'd like the gang to tackle on a future episode, send them in to:
April 21, 2020
32: Matt Gall
Darcy suggested the idea of doing a 'Matt' centred episode and we rolled with it. What resulted was potentially some of the best discussions we've been able to have on the podcast.  If you have any questions you'd like to submit to the podcast to have answered in a future episode, send them through to:
April 15, 2020
31: Lauren Janson-Roberts
This week on the podcast we welcomed local business owner and all time legend Lauren Janson-Roberts to chat about maintaining your business in these challenging times, pivoting ideas and visions when appropriate, and whether or not goals have any real world value.  You can follow Lauren's businesses on social media at: Sweet Talk FB: Sweet Talk INSTA: Cropt FB: Cropt INSTA: And as always, if you have any questions that you'd like the gang to tackle on a future episode, send them in to
April 1, 2020
30: Justin Nguyen
Former Sales Game attendee Justin Nguyen joins the podcast this week to chat about his company 'Get Cho Grind Up' and the current state of university education in America. You can check him out over at:
March 27, 2020
29: Steve Claydon, Darcy Smyth, & Matt Gall
Steve, Darcy, and Matt sit down this week (isolated, of course) to chat about the current state of the world and what you can do to keep your business and your mental health afloat during these troubling times. If you have any questions that you'd like the gang to answer, please send them in to:
March 18, 2020
28: Nat Hodges
Nathaniel Hodges is a consultant, friend of the show, recent Sales Game record setter, and deep thinker that rivals some of the previous guests we've interviewed.  If you'd like to get in contact with Nat, you can reach him at: And as always, please send in any questions you'd love to hear answered to: N.B. - We had a few internet issues causing a delay during the recording, so if you happen to notice that people speak over each other a little more often than usual, that's unfortunately why.
March 11, 2020
27: Amanda Vinci
Amanda Vinci is a previous Sales Game attendee and long time friend of the podcast. She joins us this week to chat about the importance of great EA's in your business and how far one can go when they have self belief and backing. You can find her over at: LinkedIn: The EA Institute: Also, keep sending your questions to: 
March 4, 2020
26: Steve Claydon, Darcy Smyth, & Matt Gall
The Pursuit of Love starts out as usual for a no guest episode; with 10 mins of filler. Afterwards though, we follow it up with topics ranging from mental health, audience questions, the gen z population, amongst other self questioning in nature conversations. Also, since Steve suggested Matt do it, here is the list of his best/recommend films of 2019: 1 - Parasite 2 - Uncut Gems 3 - The Lighthouse/The Irishman/Midsommar/Portrait of a Lady on Fire/Once Upon A Time In Hollywood Got a question that you'd like answered? Send it over to:
February 19, 2020
25: Dejuan Brown
Dejuan Brown is the VP of Sales at Fringe. After crossing paths with him at the Sales Success summit in Austin, Steve and Darcy invited Dejuan onto the podcast to discuss his personal approach to life and business. Unfortunately, Steve could not make this weeks episode. You can find Dejuan over at:  LinkedIn: Fringe: Also, if you'd like to submit a question to the boys for a future episode, just send an e-mail to:
February 12, 2020
24: Jack Wilson
Jack Wilson is a Sales Leader, Coach, Mentor, and the guy with IKIGAI! He dropped by the podcast this week to chat with us about Desires vs Wants, evolution, and much more.  You can reach out to him over on his LinkedIn profile:
January 15, 2020
23: Steve Claydon, Darcy Smyth, & Matt Gall
The Pursuit of Love is back in swing for the new year! This week Steve, Darcy, and Matt dive into their predictions and thoughts for the new year, the current effects that social media is having on everyone, and whether or not a current event could be more important than your pursuit of love.
January 8, 2020
22: Anna Claydon
Steve's wife Anna joins the gang on the podcast this week as we reflect on the major themes, lessons, and events from the year past.
November 19, 2019
21: Karlee's Kupcakes & Chris Towning
Karlee Towning created Karlee's Kupcakes as a side project in 2013 out of a small kitchen in Brisbane, Australia. A year later it was her full time gig, supplying glamorous and delicious cupcakes to the Brisbane region. She currently bakes and resides in the United States and joins the podcast this week with her husband, Chris Towning, guitarist for the heavy metal band Bury Your Dead. You can find them here: Karlee's Website: Karlee's Instagram: Chris' Instagram:
November 12, 2019
20: Matthew De Maid
Partner, Father, new business owner and a name that pops up often in the Toowoomba real estate market. Matthew De Maid drops by the podcast this week to chat with us about competitiveness, setting goals, and finding true satisfaction around the work that you do. You can find him over at: Website: Facebook:
October 4, 2019
19: Difff Crowther & James Treweeke
Audience favourite Difff Crowther is back alongside his former student James Treweeke to school Steve, Darcy, and Matt on education and philosophy.
September 27, 2019
18: Ori Bengal
Ori Bengal is a painter, sculptor, and artist who has been creating a new piece of artwork every day for the past 2700 days and counting! You can find him over at: Facebook: Website:
September 17, 2019
17: Amy Willis
Amy Willis is a self-employed management consultant and mother to three boys who educates stressed out business owners on simple structures and processes that give them clarity and, ultimately, a better work-life blend. You can find her here: Instagram: Website:
September 11, 2019
16: Steve Claydon, Darcy Smyth, & Matt Gall
Vegans, Weddings, Divorce, Social Media Detox, The Sales Game, and Polarising Opinions. Nothing is off the table in this weeks episode when the lads didn't manage to line up their schedule with a guest. Next week onwards though, special guests are inbound!
September 6, 2019
15: Dr. Cam McDonald
Dr Cam McDonald is a Dietitian, Exercise Physiologist, PhD Scholar, and a Leader in Personalised Health. He has a specific focus on creating a culture where the health choice is easy and obvious. Today he joins us to talk about a revolutionary new system, PH360. You can find him online at: Website: LinkedIn: Ph360:
August 27, 2019
14: Steve Claydon, Darcy Smyth, & Matt Gall
The boys are back in town! And this time it's with no guest. Steve, Darcy, and Matt hit the podcast this week to discuss their feelings on our current education system, what they've recently been up to, and breaking down The Sales Game that Steve & Darcy have created.
August 21, 2019
13: Caleb Lesa
Caleb Lesa is a Speaker and Professional Coach who specialises in understanding the intricate thought patterns of human behaviour and how that shapes our world. Caleb has a gift for being able to see "whats not being said" and cut through to the root cause of his client's problems to help them breakthrough whats holding them back in professional and personal areas of their life. You can find him at: Facebook: Website:
August 14, 2019
12: Fabian Storer
The reverse Diff episode. This week, Darcy invited his best mate Fabian Storer onto the podcast to discuss the many different aspects of our mind. 
August 6, 2019
11: Difff Crowther
On this episode of The Pursuit of Love, Steve invited his best friend Difff Crowther into the office to have a chat over whiskey about his love for Philosophy, Education, and History. We then somehow managed to get onto the topics of films, Satan, and deep human psychology - the whiskey had nothing to do with it.
July 30, 2019
10: Kerstin Oberprieler
Kerstin Oberprieler is a leading gamification expert, currently completing her PhD in gamification. Kerstin's personal mission is to delight the world through the design of experiences, products, and services. Combining psychology and business, her work focuses on creating better businesses and stronger teams through gamification, so that they can provide incredible experiences for their teams and customers. Kerstin has also spoken on the TEDx stage about the power of gamification. You can check out her presentation here: . You can also follow her over at: LinkedIN: Website:
July 23, 2019
09: Dale Dupree
Dale Dupree is leading a Sales Rebellion! Originally starting in the office supply industry, Dale has recently transitioned into the coaching world and has plenty of insight to share; predominantly, how his family history plays such a vital and important role in his life and business. You can find him over at: Website: LinkedIn: Twitter: Dale’s Podcast:
July 16, 2019
08: Steve Claydon, Darcy Smyth, & Matt Gall
Steve, Darcy, and Matt turn the questions inward this week by helming the podcast without a guest.  Add the gang on LinkedIn: Steve: Darcy: Matt:
July 9, 2019
07: Jonathan Dawson
Jonathan Dawson is an automotive consultant, sales trainer, author, speaker and coach. For 14 years, he has been helping dealerships and sales teams improve sales, reduce turnover and implement effective marketing strategies. His core teaching philosophy is known as Sellchology - The Art of Selling through Psychology and truly understanding the mind of your buyer. You can find him over at: Website: Facebook:
July 2, 2019
06: Phil Coorey
Phil Coorey is a multiple business owner and local Toowoomba legend. Alongside his family, Phil has owned and operated The Spotted Cow sports bar in Toowoomba for the last 23 years. Most recently, Phil has opened Toowoomba's first premier rooftop bar George Banks. If he's not greeting you at a his restaurant, you can bet he'll be filling your ears with his incredible sports and pop culture knowledge. Check out George Banks over at: Instagram: Facebook: Website:
June 25, 2019
05: Dan Elborne
Dan Elborne is an artist based in Queensland, Australia. Primarily, Dan works with clay to create ceramic installations, which draw from varying points of personal experience and significance, prompting viewers into a gentle space of contemplation and reflection. His most recently completed project, Deathgate, has just finished its time on display in Toowoomba, QLD. Deathgate is a ceramic installation artwork comprising 1.3 million handmade pieces, each representing one person detained in the Auschwitz network of concentration camps.  You can find him and his work over at: Website: Instagram:
June 18, 2019
04: Emily Chadbourne
Emily Chadbourne is a business owner and podcast host of the 'Unashamedly Human' podcast. She's taking the world by storm, getting real about how to have phenomenal relationships and how to consciously create the life of your dreams. She has a full-on-zero-BS approach to life, love and business and helps women across the globe to take responsibility and find true love through self-love. You can find her over at: Website: Facebook: Instagram: YouTube: Unashamedly Human Podcast:
June 11, 2019
03: Ben & Tyla Yong
Ben and Tyla Yong are the husband and wife duo behind Social Palms. Social media experts and digital content creators working together to help businesses build their brand online. Tyla is also the founder of the She The Roar movement, a women's community of over 55,000 around the globe. You can find them over at: Website Social Palms: She The Roar: Instagram Social Palms: Tyla Yong: Ben Yong:
June 4, 2019
02: Tom Cartwright
Featuring Special Guest TOM CARTWRIGHT.  You can find him over at:
May 28, 2019
01: What IS The Pursuit of Love?
In this episode we introduce ourselves and try to pinpoint the purpose of this podcast. 
May 21, 2019