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Think Inclusive

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Think Inclusive exists to build bridges between families, educators, and disability rights advocates to create a shared understanding of inclusive education and what inclusion looks like in the real world.
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Think InclusiveOct 01, 2019

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Dr. Temple Grandin | Visual Thinking

Dr. Temple Grandin | Visual Thinking

For this episode, I speak with Dr. Temple Grandin, professor of animal science at Colorado State University and the author of New York Times bestsellers Animals in Translation, Animals Make Us Human, The Autistic Brain, and Thinking in Pictures which became an HBO movie starring Claire Danes.

Temple and I discuss why she wanted to write Visual Thinking, what educational advocates can learn from how she helped improve the welfare of farm animals, and what educators can do to support visual thinkers.

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Jan 19, 202346:12
Ashley Barlow | Perfectly Imperfect Advocacy

Ashley Barlow | Perfectly Imperfect Advocacy

For this episode, I speak with Ashley Barlow, a special education attorney advocate and host of the podcast Special Education Advocacy with Ashley Barlow. In a former life, she was a German teacher in Jefferson County Public Schools and Cincinnati Public Schools, having taught nearly every grade from K to 12.  Ashley practices statewide in Kentucky and also operates a business to empower and inspire parents and advocates in special education, which can be found at www.ashleybarlowco.com. She is also the Director of Education at the National Down Syndrome Congress.  

We did something a little different for this episode. Ashley and I interviewed each other and are posting the same interview on our respective podcasts. Cool right? We discuss several things related to inclusive education, including … what inclusive ed really means and using Dear Colleague Letters as a strategy in IEP meetings.  

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Jan 12, 202356:05
Jay Ruderman | All About Change

Jay Ruderman | All About Change

For this episode, Tim speaks with Jay Ruderman, the President of the Ruderman Family Foundation, focusing on inclusion, diversity, and social justice. He hosts All About Change, a podcast focused on activism, change, and courage. 

Jay is a social justice activist who has spent his life promoting the inclusion of people with disabilities. Through his foundation, he has been an integral part of holding the entertainment industry accountable for its lack of authentic representation of people with disabilities. 

Just a quick content warning, Jay and I discuss some sensitive topics, such as suicide, school shootings, and gun violence. Our conversation was recorded in May of 2022. 

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Dec 22, 202236:40
TASH | Characteristics of Fully Inclusive Schools

TASH | Characteristics of Fully Inclusive Schools

For this episode, Tim speaks with members of the Inclusive Education Community of Practice from TASH, Debbie Taub, Diane Ryndak, and Mary Fisher, about TASH’s position statement on the characteristics of fully inclusive schools.

So just a point of clarification. We recorded this interview earlier this year before the annual conference in Phoenix, the first weekend of December. Tim will give his full recap and reflection of that TASH conference in his audio newsletter, The Weeklyish. Go to weeklyish.substack.com to subscribe and get it in your inbox when it drops next week.

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Dec 08, 202246:08
Charmaine Thaner | The Art of Advocacy
Nov 10, 202248:12
Kanwal Singh | Inclusive Education in India
Oct 27, 202237:12
Russ Ewell | Inclusive Leadership
Oct 13, 202240:03
Meg Grigal & Cate Weir | Inclusive Higher Education for People with Intellectual Disabilities

Meg Grigal & Cate Weir | Inclusive Higher Education for People with Intellectual Disabilities

For this episode, I speak with Meg Grigal and Cate Weir from Think College about why it is important for individuals with intellectual disabilities to have the option to go to college. We discuss what inclusive post-secondary education programs for students with intellectual and developmental disabilities really look like. And how the data shows that these programs are successful, with learners getting jobs after graduation at three times the rate of the national average. 

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Sep 22, 202239:50
Jani Kozlowski | Early Childhood Inclusive Education

Jani Kozlowski | Early Childhood Inclusive Education

For this episode, I talk with Jani Kozlowski, author of the book, Every Child Can Fly: An Early Childhood Educator’s Guide to Inclusion. We discuss why inclusion matters in early childhood education programs. And how we can prepare educators to create inclusive learning environments for all learners. 

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Resources

Melissa McCullough | What Inclusive Preschool Services Look Like

Every Child Can Fly: An Early Childhood Educator's Guide to Inclusion

ECTA Indicators of High-Quality Inclusion

Early Childhood Inclusion Videos

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Sep 08, 202239:30
Dr. Ross Greene | Using Collaborative and Proactive Solutions to Support the Behavior of All Learners

Dr. Ross Greene | Using Collaborative and Proactive Solutions to Support the Behavior of All Learners

For this episode, I talk with Dr. Ross Greene, author of the books Lost at School and Raising Human Beings. We discuss what schools are getting right and wrong about supporting learners with challenging behavior and an alternative lens for educators to view behavior in all learners. 

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Aug 25, 202235:02
Dr. Mona Delahooke | Beyond Behavior Charts and Positive Reinforcement

Dr. Mona Delahooke | Beyond Behavior Charts and Positive Reinforcement

For this episode, I talk with Dr. Mona Delahooke, author of the books, Brain-Body Parenting and Beyond Behaviors. We discuss the neuroscience of behavior, how parents and educators can move beyond behavior charts and positive reinforcement, and a new way to look at using the check-in procedure with learners.

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Aug 11, 202240:56
Mazey Eddings | Neurodiverse Representation in Books

Mazey Eddings | Neurodiverse Representation in Books

For this episode, we talk with Mazey Eddings, the neurodiverse author of A Brush with Love, a romance novel set in dental school. 

We talk about why she wanted to write neurodiverse characters in her books, how she sees herself in the characters of A Brush with Love, and what she hopes her readers take away from the book on how to support people living with anxiety.

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Jul 28, 202236:49
BONUS: Cheryl Green & Thomas Reid | Pod Access Survey
Jul 20, 202203:26
Liz Weintraub & Kenneth Kelty | Using Content Creation for Disability Advocacy

Liz Weintraub & Kenneth Kelty | Using Content Creation for Disability Advocacy

Welcome back to a new season of Think Inclusive!

For the first episode of our tenth season, we speak with Liz Weintraub and Kenneth Kelty, both fantastic content creators and disability advocates.

Liz is the host of Tuesdays with Liz: Disability Policy for All, a YouTube show where she breaks down policy so everyone can understand it.

Kenneth is the host of Exceeding Expectations with Kenneth Kelty, a podcast where he shares the stories of trailblazers and leaders surrounding disability advocacy.

We talk about the motivation behind creating their shows, some of their favorite moments while recording interviews, and what they hope their audience learns.

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Jul 14, 202231:36
Remix: TIES Center | Including Students with Extensive Support Needs in General Education

Remix: TIES Center | Including Students with Extensive Support Needs in General Education

Today on the pod, we are replaying some clips from our 2020 episode about including students with intellectual disabilities in general education (our second most listened to episode of all time). But this time around, I'm adding an additional interview with my friends from the TIES Center, Jennifer Sommerness and Jessica Bowman. Now if you don't know, the TIES center is the National Technical Assistance Center on inclusive practices and policies. It works with states, districts, and schools to support the movement of students with disabilities from less inclusive to more inclusive environments. TIES is funded through a federal grant from the Office of Special Education Programs or OSEP. I invited Jennifer and Jessica to share some stories of students with extensive support needs that were included in general education and reflect on their journey to becoming supporters and promoters of inclusive education. In the original episode from 2020, I had my friend and former colleague, Juanita Prichard come on the podcast and talk about strategies for teachers who had students with intellectual disabilities in their classrooms.

References

5-15-45 Tool

Comprehensive Inclusive Education: General Education and the Inclusive IEP

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Jun 23, 202244:55
Remix: Julie Causton | Six Inclusive Education Advocacy Strategies for Families

Remix: Julie Causton | Six Inclusive Education Advocacy Strategies for Families

Today on the pod, we bring you a special remixed episode from 2019, my interview with Julie Causton, founder of Inclusive Schooling. We discuss six strategies for families advocating for their children to be included in general education classrooms. To start the episode, the story of Sam, a young man with Down syndrome, who went from spending all of this time in a segregated special education classroom to being included in general education.

References

Washington students with disabilities are often denied the right to learn in general classes (King 5 News)

Achieving Inclusion: What Every Parent Should Know when Advocating for Their Child

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Jun 09, 202229:03
Rasheera Dopson | WomanHood and Disability Podcast
May 26, 202230:03
Matt from With Rolls and No Luck & Shirene Hayes Creator of Super MEro

Matt from With Rolls and No Luck & Shirene Hayes Creator of Super MEro

Who is ready for a double episode?!?

Today on the pod, we have two fantastic guests. The first is Matt, from the With Rolls and No Luck podcast. We discuss what it is like to generate income all while being on Medicaid. Our second guest is Shirene Hayes, the creator of Super MEro and The Code, a resource for educators to utilize in their classrooms.

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Resources

With Rolls & No Luck - The Book, The Key, The Beyond Episode 1: Welcome To Slatevale

Access to Firearms Increases Child and Adolescent Suicide | Society for Research in Child Development SRCD

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May 12, 202245:43
Ira Eidle | Autistic Archive

Ira Eidle | Autistic Archive

For the last thirty years, there has been a movement going on. One you may not know a lot about or the origins of. It’s the Neurodiversity movement and our guest Ira Eidle wants to share with you what he’s learned about it.  

Ira is the curator of Autistic Archive, a collection of video lessons about the history of the Neurodiversity movement, links to websites created by autistics for autistics, and recommended books written by people on the autism spectrum (among other resources). 

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Apr 28, 202233:13
Haley Moss | Autistic Independence

Haley Moss | Autistic Independence

What does autistic independence look like?

In today's episode, we interview Haley Moss (autistic attorney, author, and advocate) about her book, The Young Autistic Adult's Independence Handbook.

Haley shares with us the main message she wants to get across to autistic individuals who are seeking independence, alternatives to guardianship, and strategies for educators to foster self-advocacy in their students.

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Apr 14, 202234:11
Lisa Drennan | Inclusive Recreation

Lisa Drennan | Inclusive Recreation

In today's episode, we interview Lisa Drennan, inclusion expert and founder of Merge Consulting.

We discuss how families of children with disabilities can advocate joining community recreation groups like the YMCA or even a local summer camp. And that the strategies for advocating for change in recreation spaces are not that different from what we use for school. We discuss how teachers can create cultures of belonging for their students, as well as how educators can find belonging in their schools.

Referenced in this episode:

Pathways to Friendship

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Mar 24, 202238:46
Alida Miranda-Wolff | Building Inclusive Organizations That Last

Alida Miranda-Wolff | Building Inclusive Organizations That Last

In today's episode, we interview Alida Miranda-Wolff, the author of Cultures of Belonging: Building Inclusive Organizations That Last.

We discuss how teachers can create cultures of belonging for their students, as well as how educators can find belonging in their schools. 

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Mar 10, 202232:43
What Inclusionists Need To Know About the Anti-CRT Movement

What Inclusionists Need To Know About the Anti-CRT Movement

What is Critical Race Theory and what do advocates for inclusive education need to know about the Anti-CRT movement?

For this super-sized episode, we share the story of an inclusive Maryland principal who was pushed out of taking a job as a Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Director in Cherokee County, Georgia. A devastating side-effect of the backlash against CRT is the damage that has been done to educational equity initiatives. These initiatives are the very ones that inclusive education advocates have been trying to connect the dots from disability rights to equity for all students. 

We interview four individuals with experience and expertise in CRT:

  • King Williams, a filmmaker, and journalist in Atlanta, GA
  • Alida Miranda-Wolff, a professional in the Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Belonging sector in Chicago, IL
  • Eddie Fergus, a professor at Temple University
  • Pete Newlove, a doctoral student at the University of Colorado and current high school English teacher

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Feb 24, 202201:20:13
Diana Pastora Carson | Beyond Awareness

Diana Pastora Carson | Beyond Awareness

Diana Pastora Carson is the host of the Beyond Awareness Podcast.

Her TedTalk, "Walking with Joaquin," chronicles her family's journey to bring home her brother after living in an institution for 15 years. 

She joins us on Think Inclusive to talk about her journey as an educator who advocated for inclusive education, what it’s like now that Joaquin has been home for close to ten years, why she started the Beyond Awareness podcast.

Books 

Beyond Awareness: Bringing Disability into Diversity Work in K-12 Schools & Communities

Ed Roberts: Champion of Disability Rights

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Feb 10, 202235:39
Greta Harrison | Born Fabulous Podcast

Greta Harrison | Born Fabulous Podcast

Today on the podcast, we welcome Greta Harrison, the host of the Born Fabulous Podcast.

We talk about the reason for starting "Born Fabulous," why hope should be an essential characteristic of an educator, and the goal of inclusion is always life in the community. 

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Jan 27, 202252:45
The Intersection of Race and Disability | Pop Up Podcast @ #CEC2022

The Intersection of Race and Disability | Pop Up Podcast @ #CEC2022

Jan 21, 202248:56
Amanda Darrow and Shamby Polychronis | Honoring Intersectionality

Amanda Darrow and Shamby Polychronis | Honoring Intersectionality

Today on the podcast, we welcome Amanda Darrow (Utah Pride Center) and Shamby Polychronis (University of Utah) to talk about honoring intersectionality between the disability and LGBTQIA+ communities. 

We cover a lot of ground including the difference between gender/sexuality/sex, pronouns, stats on people who identify as both LGBTQIA+ and disabled, and ways educators can make classrooms more inclusive for both communities.

Amanda and Shamby also respond to the question, "If kids consume media that has LGBTQIA+ representation, won't they just get confused?"

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Jan 13, 202201:03:05
The Best of Think Inclusive Volume 2

The Best of Think Inclusive Volume 2

Happy Holidays!

To finish off 2021, we are featuring four interviews. One that you haven't heard yet, Lou Brown, and three that you might have caught in our feed if you've been listening for a while: Katie Novak, Alfie Kohn, Cheryl Jorgensen.

The first is a previously unpublished clip from my 2019 interview with the co-founder of TASH, the late Lou Brown. I always meant to revisit this interview and I'm so glad I did for this episode. 

Next up is my interview with universal design for learning expert, Katie Novak. We talk about how ineffective traditional assessments are because they are not universally designed, even though the most recent education law says they should be. 

My interview with Alfie Kohn, author of the book punished by rewards, was our most listened to episode of 2021. And the clip you are about to hear is probably one of the reasons why. Alfie, I mean, Mr. Kohn, lays out his argument for why educators should steer clear from using any extrinsic reward system in their classroom.

And finally, I wanted to share my interview with Cheryl Jorgensen, author of many books on the topic of inclusive education. This clip is from 2014 and it is important to me because it shows my growth in an area that I'm rather ashamed it took me so long to realize: the parallel between the civil rights and disability rights movement and how they are inseparable.

Thanks for your time and attention! See you in 2022!

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Dec 30, 202145:14
Anthony Ianni | Autism, Basketball, and One Athlete's Dream

Anthony Ianni | Autism, Basketball, and One Athlete's Dream

Today on the podcast, we talk with Anthony Ianni, the first autistic Division 1 college basketball player and author of the book, Centered: Autism, Basketball, and One Athlete's Dream

We talk about what it was like growing up, not knowing about his autism diagnosis until high school, playing for the Michigan State basketball team, and what he would tell young people on the autism spectrum about following their dreams. 

Also in the episode, Tim references the Autistic Self Advocacy Network's "about autism" page as well as their book, "Welcome to the Autism Community." 

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Dec 16, 202133:06
Howard Shane | How Teaching at Belchertown State School Changed My Life

Howard Shane | How Teaching at Belchertown State School Changed My Life

Content Warning: In today’s episode, we will discuss depictions of the living conditions of institutions for people with disabilities in the 1960s and certain attitudes about people with disabilities that worked there.

Today on the podcast, we talk to Howard Shane, author of the book Unsilenced, associate professional at the Harvard Medical School, and the Director of the Autism Language Program at Boston Children’s Hospital.

We talk about what it was like to work at Belchertown State School, an institution for people with disabilities, in the 1960s. We also highlight some of the stories from his book, including how some of his students used an early form of augmentative and alternative communication. 

Also, special guest, Carol Quirk (CEO of MCIE) drops by at the beginning of the episode to reflect on her experiences working in institutions after she read Howard Shane's book Unsilenced.

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Nov 25, 202145:03
Karrie Shogren & Sheida Raley | What Does Self-Determination Really Mean?
Nov 11, 202137:12
Jenna Rufo | Using Inclusion as a Framework to Build Equity and Support All Students

Jenna Rufo | Using Inclusion as a Framework to Build Equity and Support All Students

Today on the podcast, we interview author, educator, and consultant, Jenna Rufo about her book Reimagining Special Education, and how we can use inclusion as a framework to build equity and support all students. 

We also discuss what it looks like for students who are not included 80% or more of their day in general education and if there is a bare minimum to what we call inclusive education.

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Oct 28, 202145:14
Michael McSheehan | How MTSS and UDL Fit Into Inclusive Education

Michael McSheehan | How MTSS and UDL Fit Into Inclusive Education

Today on the Think Inclusive Podcast, we interview systems change expert and inclusive education advocate, Michael McSheehan

We talk about what started him on his journey of advocating for inclusive education, his work with SWIFT Schools, the connections between Mult-Tiered Systems of Support and Universal Design for Learning, and if he agrees with the statement, "inclusion done badly is still better than segregation." His answers might surprise you. 

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SWIFT Schools Videos 

"Together": a SWIFT film on Integrated Educational Framework 

"Whatever it Takes": SWIFT Inclusive Academic Instruction Film 

SWIFT Domains and Features at Henderson School 

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Oct 14, 202101:03:07
Janice Fialka & Sara Jo Soldovieri | What To Say When Families Think Segregated Special Education Classrooms Are Best
Sep 30, 202135:59
Emily Ladau | How To Be an Ally To Disabled People

Emily Ladau | How To Be an Ally To Disabled People

Today on the podcast, we interview Emily Ladau, disability rights activist and author, about her new book Demystifying Disability: What to Know, What to Say, and How to Be an Ally

We discuss why this book needed to be written, if there is only one model of disability that is valid, and we even play a little game called, “is it ableist?”

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Sep 16, 202131:22
Genia Stephen | Good Things In Life Podcast

Genia Stephen | Good Things In Life Podcast

Today on the podcast, we interview Genia Stephen, host of the Good Things in Life podcast. 

We talk about why she started the podcast, what some of the differences and similarities are with the educational systems in the United States and Canada, and if there is such a thing as perfect inclusion.

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Aug 26, 202128:35
Eric Garcia | We're Not Broken: Changing the Autism Conversation

Eric Garcia | We're Not Broken: Changing the Autism Conversation

Today on the podcast, we talk with Eric Garcia, author of "We're Not Broken: Changing the Autism Conversation."

We discuss the biggest misconceptions of autism, why simply existing is not inspirational, and what his dream for the future of a more inclusive world looks like. 

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Aug 12, 202127:56
Marilyn Friend | Co-Teaching

Marilyn Friend | Co-Teaching

Today on the podcast, we talk with Marilyn Friend, expert and author of numerous books and articles on co-teaching. 

We discuss what co-teaching is and what does it look like? Do schools have to provide a co-teaching service model? And how does co-teaching further the practice of inclusive education?

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Jul 29, 202128:28
Sarah Wishart | Excluded: A Young People-Led Film On School Exclusions

Sarah Wishart | Excluded: A Young People-Led Film On School Exclusions

Today on the podcast, we talk with Sarah Wishart, filmmaker of Excluded, a documentary that features the stories and voices of students who have been excluded from school in the United Kingdom. 

We discuss why she was inspired to make the film by something she saw on Twitter and why she thinks exclusion isn’t good for anyone.

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Jul 15, 202127:47
Wyatt Oroke | Having High Expectations for All Students
Jun 24, 202128:34
Melissa McCullough | What Inclusive Preschool Services Look Like
Jun 10, 202131:50
Eddie Fergus | Disproportionality in Special Education
May 20, 202136:13
BONUS: Megan Gross and Nancy Brundrett | What Inclusive Education Looks Like at Poway Unified
Apr 29, 202136:36
Jenny Kurth | Implementing Inclusive Education with Participation Plans
Apr 15, 202132:52
Alfie Kohn | Does Behaviorism Belong in the Classroom?
Mar 18, 202152:16
Katie Novak | Common Misconceptions About UDL
Feb 18, 202126:29
Why I Call Myself An Inclusionist
Jan 22, 202132:42
The Best of Think Inclusive Volume 1

The Best of Think Inclusive Volume 1

Since I started the podcast in 2012, I've always wanted to do a "best of" podcast!

Today, we are highlighting five conversations that I had from the early years of the podcast.

Paula Kluth talks about why some schools aren't as inclusive as they think they are. Dan Habib discusses how Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS) looked for one high school. Julie Causton explains why her research project, called Schools of Promise, shows why inclusion works for all students. Nicole Eredics gives one important strategy for inclusive classrooms. And Scott F shares what it is like to have students with significant disabilities included in his classroom.

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Dec 24, 202033:40
Shelley Moore | What Is All The Fuss About Baked Potatoes?
Nov 26, 202028:02
Jennifer Spencer-Iiams | Leading for All: How to Create Truly Inclusive and Excellent Schools

Jennifer Spencer-Iiams | Leading for All: How to Create Truly Inclusive and Excellent Schools

Today on the podcast, Jennifer Spencer-Iiams, Assistant Superintendent for the West Linn-Wilsonville School District, talks to us about the transformation in her district toward inclusive practices. Her book, Leading for All: How to Create Truly Inclusive and Excellent Schools, shares lessons learned from years building district schools where all students are served in their neighborhood school and classrooms with their general education peers.

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Oct 22, 202026:53