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Two Lawyers Talk Sports

Two Lawyers Talk Sports

By Spencer Kelly
Join attorneys Aaron and Spencer as they discuss late breaking college athletics topics with a focus on NCAA rules. Check out our YouTube channel too
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Episode 36: Interview with Jared Blank, who ran 7 marathons on 7 continents in 7 days! Plus, more coronavirus casualties, and ASU gets sued!

Two Lawyers Talk Sports

Episode 36: Interview with Jared Blank, who ran 7 marathons on 7 continents in 7 days! Plus, more coronavirus casualties, and ASU gets sued!

Two Lawyers Talk Sports

Seas. 2: Ep. 13 Interview with Nick Bartlett, of SportsPac12 & Oregon Sports News; COVID problems
In this episode, we interview Nick Bartlett, who is a Seattle-based writer for SportsPac12 and Oregon Sports News. He provides us with his insights into Pac12 football and the controversy behind the BYU v. UW scheduling fiasco. We also talk about COVID issues at USC and for Pac12 schools. Lastly, AP makes his picks again, will his hot streak continue?
November 28, 2020
Season 2:Episode 12 Recruiting dead period extended through April; March Madness at one location; violations at Missouri & Alabama in Rules Ed; Greg Marshall leaves Wichita State with $8 mil.
In this episode, we talk about how extending the recruiting dead period through April 2021 will change recruiting for college coaches, what new changes to the rules can do for universities and recruiting. We also discuss the proposal of shifting all of March Madness to a single location. For our Rules Ed portion of the show, we discuss violations with the Missouri tennis program and CARA and an Alabama Administrator getting a kickback for setting up a meeting with a financial advisor. Lastly, we talk about Greg Marshall leaving Wichita State with an $8 mil buyout versus what happened with Kevin Ollie at UCONN. AP gives his weekly picks...will he continue his hot streak?
November 21, 2020
Season 2: Episode 11 Cancellations happening across all of college football; University of Utah files suit against Fresno State; violations at Jackson State and Hartford; new NIL rules
In this episode, we talk about the cancellations across college football this weekend. What does that mean for the rest of the season? Bowl games and College Football Playoffs are in jeopardy. We also discuss a recent lawsuit filed by University of Utah against Fresno State regarding cancellation of a basketball game this year. We provide a rules ed regarding violations at Jackson State and University of Hartford. New NIL rules announced today, what are the new rules and how will the new rules be applied. Lastly, will AP keep his hot streak going! 
November 14, 2020
Season 2: Episode 10 Interview with Kyle Skillman, of BSK, about the new IARP procedure for NCAA infractions; COVID scares at Clemson and Wisconsin; Update about the UMASS women's tennis team
In this episode, we interview Kyle Skillman, of the BSK law firm, about the new IARP procedure for NCAA infractions. What are the pros and cons of the new system? Two prominent QBs diagnosed with COVID at Clemson and Wisconsin. How do the different conferences handle quarantining the student-athletes. We found out more about the UMASS penalties. Turns out, the penalty was related to $252 in telephone over payments. Lastly, AP with his picks...will he go 4-0 once again? He's 29-3 on the season! 
October 30, 2020
Season 2:Episode 9 Interview with Steve Hiegel, of; also, more questions from the readers; OBJ fallout from the cash handouts; AP's picks
In this episode, we talk about the NCAA fall out from OBJ's cash handouts after the National Title game last year. LSU imposes some penalties, will the NCAA accept the proposals? We also answer some new questions from addressing NIL rules, a potential Iowa lawsuit, scholarships being revoked, Pac12 layoffs, etc. Lastly, we interview Steve Hiegel, of, and get his takes on the Pac12 and Big Ten football races this year. How will the Committee view an undefeated Pac12 or Big Ten school versus other teams like BYU or a one loss SEC/Big12 team. Also, will AP continue his hot streak. He's currently 25-3!!! Will he go 4-0 this week? 
October 23, 2020
Season 2:Episode 8 One time Transfer Rule; Winter sport athletes granted extra year of eligibility; UMASS violations; Saban's got the Rona; NIL updates.
In this episode, we talk about a variety of issues surrounding the proposed one time transfer rule and the NCAA granting an extra year of eligibility to all winter athletes. We also discuss Alabama football and Nick Saban's COVID-19 diagnosis, can he still coach from home? We get into new allegations against UMASS. Also, congress and the NCAA working together to provide new NIL rules and proposals. Lastly, will AP continue his hot streak and go 4-0 this week? 
October 17, 2020
Season 2: Episode 7: Inteview with Jason Selby, of the Seattle Seahawks and Sounders; violations at Charleston Southern & Washington; allegations at Wichita State; SEC mask regulations
Season 2: Episode 7: In this episode, we interview Jason Selby, of the Seattle Seahawks and Sounders, about how professional sports teams are coping with playing in a stadium with no fans. In addition, the SEC has threatened penalties for coaches and administrators not wearing masks on the sidelines, how will that be regulated? We also discuss serious allegations against the Wichita State Head Basketball Coach, Gregg Marshall, of physical and emotional abuse against his players. In addition, we have some rules ed with NCAA violations against the Charleston Southern Women's Volleyball team and Washington Baseball team. Lastly, will AP continue his hot streak, he's currently 19-1, will he go 23-1? 
October 9, 2020
Season 2:Episode 6 Interview with Dan Gibson, the Director of Compliance at Western Carolina University; Ohio State Reports NCAA violations; 8 team playoff for college football?
In our 6th episode this season, we have an incredible interview with Dan Gibson, the director of compliance at Western Carolina University. His story and passion for WCU is evident during the conversation. In addition, Ohio State reports 4 minor NCAA violations. What are the errors/violations and what could have been done differently? Also, will AP continue his hot streak...He's now 15-1 with his picks this year!
October 2, 2020
Season 2: Episode 5 Interview with Alex Collins, Director of Football Recruiting at Ole' Miss (The Landsharks); Big Ten, Pac12, MAC & MWC all coming back; all teams eligible for bowl games?
In this Episode, we talk with Alex Collins, the Director of Football Recruiting at Ole' Miss, about what it's like to recruit during Coronavirus and the "dead period". We also discuss the return of the Big Ten, Pac12, MAC and the MWC coming back in October/November. The NCAA is allowing all teams to be eligible for bowl games, what does that mean for teams that have a losing record and Power 5 teams versus Greater 5 teams. Lastly, AP makes his picks, will his hot streak continue? 11-1 on the season for far! 
September 25, 2020
Season 2: Episode 4 Interview with Todd Hewitt, the Director of Equipment Operations at USC. The Big Ten and Pac 12 coming back? What about the MAC & MWC? Will NCAA Basketball start on time?
In this Episode, we interview the Director of Equipment Operations at USC, Todd Hewitt, who talks about the contract disputes between Cal/UCLA and Underarmour vs. the deal that USC has with Nike. Also, we talk about the return of the Big Ten and Pac 12 and what that means for other conferences that had canceled fall football - the MWC and MAC. Also, NCAA basketball is coming back on November 25th, with a reduced schedule. How will that change the NCAA selection process and what will smaller conferences do to get better games back on the schedule. Lastly, AP makes his picks for games this weekend! Will he go 4-0 again? 
September 18, 2020
Season 2:Episode 3 Interview with Justin Pollnow, Director of Compliance at Arizona State University; More questions from; college football is starting with fans?
In this episode, we interview Justin Pollnow, the director of compliance at Arizona State University. We talk with Justin about the Pac12's response to the Coronavirus and what could happen with football in the Spring. We also answer some more questions from readers from Lastly, we talk about college football in the ACC and Big12 starting this weekend. How many fans will be allowed? What are schools doing if there's an outbreak within a given program. 
September 13, 2020
Season 2: Episode 2 Interview with Justin DiTolla from Syracuse University. Big Ten/Pac 12 playing in the spring? Update on the Nebraska players vs. Big Ten Lawsuit.
In this episode, we talk to Justin DiTolla, the assistant athletic director/compliance director at Syracuse University. How is the ACC moving forward with football in the fall? What are the COVID-19 rules/regulations for ACC schools. Also, we talk about what the Big Ten and Pac12 schools are doing and potentially playing this winter/spring. Lastly, an update in the lawsuit between the Nebraska Players versus the Big Ten Conference. 
September 4, 2020
Season 2:Episode 1: LSU hit with NCAA violations; Big Ten is sued by 8 Nebraska Players; Questions from Pac12 Fans; will football happen this fall?
Season 2 kickoff! In this episode, we talk about the head basketball coach of LSU, Will Wade, and his run in with the NCAA. In addition, 8 Nebraska Football Players have sued the Big Ten and want to play football this fall. Does the lawsuit have any merit? We'll discuss it.  Also, we announce a new partnership with @sportsPac12, a group of writers/columnists with the Pac12 schools. We answer 5 questions from listeners.  Lastly, we discuss the NBA and NCAA football happening this year! Will the games be played? 
August 28, 2020
Episode 40: Interview with Steve Hiegel, who runs a number of college/professional sports websites; Big10 and Pac12 cancel fall sports, what's next for other conferences.
In this episode, we interview Steve Hiegel, who runs a number of college and professional sports websites -;;; and He has some great takes on the likelihood of football in the fall.  Also, the Big 10 and Pac 12 have officially canceled fall sports, along with MWC, WCC and other conferences. However, as of now, the ACC, SEC, Big12, Sun Belt, AAC, and other independents are pushing forward. 
August 14, 2020
Episode 39: Interview with Max & JR, two former college athletes who started a blog about the new Name, Image & Likeness rules. Enjoy!
In this episode, we talk with Max and JR, who started a blog about the new Name, Image & Likeness rules that are going to change the way that NCAA athletes can make money and still retain their eligibility. We talk about the potential benefits and pitfalls with the changes to the rules. How will the changes help/hurt recruiting? Are Power 5 schools in a better position than traditionally smaller market schools? Enjoy!
August 7, 2020
Episode 38: Bryan Black and his story on why he's collecting 357 Div. 1 b-ball jerseys; NCAA allows student athletes to put messages on jerseys; SEC & ACC goes Conf. games only, what about G5 teams?
In this episode, we hear an inspiring story from Bryan Black, who in the face of a difficult diagnosis decided to start collecting all 357 Division 1 college basketball jerseys. The responses from the colleges and universities around the country has been incredible. Also, the NCAA is allowing student athletes to put patches and statements on jerseys to support social justice movement, persons or events. Lastly, the SEC and ACC move to conference only for football in the fall. Will the Big 12 follow? What does this move do to G5 and independents for fall football? 
July 31, 2020
Episode 37: Interview with Denny Lennon -amazing sports stories; will NCAA Football happen in the fall?; OSU violations; NBA Bubble
In this Episode, we interview the incredible Denny Lennon, who hosts a sports podcast where he shares stories from his past. He talks about stories of athletes and his own history that will show you the power that sports can have on an individual and societies. We also talk about how the Board of Governors for the NCAA is voting today about fall sports, will FBS football happen, or is it doomed? We discuss the recent NCAA violations at Oregon State, what happened and what are the violations. Lastly, we talk about the NBA Bubble in Orlando! 
July 24, 2020
Episode 36: Interview with Jared Blank, who ran 7 marathons on 7 continents in 7 days! Plus, more coronavirus casualties, and ASU gets sued!
In this Episode, we interview Jared S. Blank, who was the Director of Football Ops for USC and UW, but quit his job to pursue his passion of helping raise awareness for Dyslexia. He ran 7 marathons in 7 days on 7 continents! His story is inspirational and moving! We also talk about the latest news and regulations regarding Coronavirus and the cancellation of fall sports. Will College Football happen this fall? It is looking less than likely as of now! Lastly, Arizona State gets sued for CTE by former players. 
July 17, 2020
Episode 35: Interview with Keirsten Sires of LRT Sports; Texas A&M violations; Ivy League cancels sports; Big Ten/Pac 12 stay in conference
In this Episode we interview the CEO of LRT Sports, Keirsten Sires, who gives us an in-depth look into what LRT Sports does and how it benefits college athletes in the recruiting process. We also talk about some major violations at Texas A&M. Also, we talk about the Ivy League canceling all sports through January 1, 2021, and the impact of that decision. The Big 10 and Pac12 are announcing they are playing conference only games, what does that do to smaller schools and schedules across the nation!
July 10, 2020
Episode 34: Pac12 Assoc. Commissioner, Chris Merino; coronavirus complications; Oregon Violations
In this episode, we interview the associate commissioner of the Pac12, Chris Merino, and we discuss the new compliance rules during the coronavirus. We also talk about the return of the the MLB and hat would happen if a scholarship athlete doesn’t feel comfortable playing during the outbreak. University of Oregon reports 5 secondary violations, what are the violations and potential penalties. Lastly, Under Armor drops UCLA and CAL.
July 4, 2020
Episode 33: Dylan Cannon, at Sam Houston State; Civil War changing the name; Recruiting dead period
In this Episode we talk with Dylan Cannon, the compliance coordinator at Sam Houston State. In addition, Oregon and Oregon State are changing the name of the annual rivalry game from the “Civil War”. We also talk about the recruiting dead period and what that means. Lastly, the return of NBA and MLB seasons.
June 26, 2020
Episode 32: Interview with Mark Houston, JD; Kansas basketball on the offensive; Mississippi Flag?
In this episode, we talk to Mark Houston, JD, a lawyer in DC. He practices in the area of sports law and specifically transactional issues. We talk to Mark about NIL, Zion Williamson and the possibility of an MLB season. We also discuss how Kansas and Bill Self are going on the offensive against the NCAA allegations. We discuss the Mississippi State flag and why the SEC is threatening to ban all championships to be played in Mississippi. Lastly, will there be a College Football Season?
June 19, 2020
Episode 31: Interview with Jason Knavel, of BGSU; update in the Zion Williamson Case; NIL in Florida
In Episode 31, we interview the Director of Communications for Bowling Green State University and hear the amazing story about how BGSU fought to get back the baseball team with contributions and participation from BGSU alumni. In addition, we give an update about the Zion Williamson saga and what the lawyers are arguing about right now. Will there be any implications against the Duke Basketball program? Lastly, we discuss the Name, Image and Likeness laws in the State of Florida and how that puts added pressure on the NCAA and Congress to get something going. Enjoy!
June 15, 2020
Episode 30: Jordan Moore, USC Media Director; Ok State issues; Zion Williamson; Utah B-ball Transfer
In this episode, we talk to Jordan Moore, the USC Media Director, about USC Football. We also talk about recent NCAA violations against Oklahoma State University. We discuss an update in the Zion Williamson lawsuit. Lastly, we discuss a University of Utah basketball player who wants out of his NLI. How is that done?
June 5, 2020
Episode 29: Interview with Jason Selby, a Veteran, and an employee of the Seahawks; Derek Miller of BGSU and Coronavirus Casulties
In this episode, we talk about College Sports coming back and a quick update about the NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL. We also interview Jason Selby, of the Seahawks and Sounders, and the interplay between professional sports and the military. Lastly, we interview Derek Miller, director of football ops and recruiting coordinator for Bowling Green State University about football coming back in the fall and the cancellation of baseball at BGSU. 
May 29, 2020
Episode 28: Interview with Milwaukee Bucks Assoc. General Counsel Jill Ingels; Stephen F. Austin NCAA Violation; "Aunt Becky" going to jail
In this episode, we talk with Jill Ingels, who is the Associate General Counsel for the Milwaukee Bucks, about reopening the NBA. We also interview Kyle Weindel, former women's volleyball coach at USC and New Mexico, about what happens when a coach is let go from a program. We discuss the recent allegations against Stephen F. Austin and NCAA penalties. Lastly, we talk about "Aunt Becky" going to jail. 
May 22, 2020
Episode 27: Zion Williamson law suit; Interview with Syracuse; Akron Women’s swimming coach
In this episode, we talk about Zion Williamson and his recent law suit. We also interview the director of compliance at Syracuse University and talk about the likelihood of college football. Lastly, we talk to the head Women’s swim coach at Akron University about recent cuts in the Akron athletic department.
May 15, 2020
Episode 26: Louisville/Kansas NCAA allegations; Interview with Todd Hewitt, Director of Equip. USC
We talk about the recent allegations against Louisville and Kansas Basketball. What are the allegations? What could the penalties be? We also interview the director of equipment at USC, Todd Hewitt. Update on opening up sports amidst COVID-19
May 8, 2020
Episode 25: Interview with Jeff Koenig regarding Title IX; updated rules with Name, Image & Likeness
The NCAA issued an update about Name, Image and Likeness rules that will go into effect for the 21/22 year. We also interview Jeff Koenig, an attorney who represented students/athletes in regard to Title IX issues and student conduct. Lastly, Nebraska women’s gymnastics has an NCAA violation around having too many Coaches!
May 1, 2020
Episode 24: Interviews with Joseph Wood, chief of staff for USC football; ASU law student, Corbin McAllister; and an update on Coronavirus issues.
In this episode, we interview Joseph Wood, the chief of Staff for USC football, and get his take on the possibility of college football in the fall. We also interview Corbin McAllister, a law student at Arizona State, taking Sports Law classes. Lastly, we talk about a brief issue with the University of Buffalo basketball program and an update on how COVID-19 is changing college sports. 
April 28, 2020
Episode 23: interviews with Ivan Lewis, S&C coach for the Seahawks; Kyle Skillman; and OJ story.
In this episode, we talk to Ivan Lewis, the strength and conditioning coach for the Seattle Seahawks. We also have the opportunity to chat with Kyle Skillman, an attorney at the BSK law firm, and discuss the effects of the coronavirus on NCAA investigations. Lastly, we talk with a listener who has a story about OJ Simpson and name, image and likeness.
April 17, 2020
Episode 22: Interview with Deland McCullough, RB coach, for the Kansas City Chiefs.
In this episode, we interview Deland McCullogh, who is the RB coach for the Kansas City Chiefs. We also talk about Alabama and Apple Watches; UNC Greensboro violation; and funny NCAA violations.
April 10, 2020
Episode 21: the trickle down effect of COVID-19 on NCAA sports
In this episode, we talk about the NCAA vote to grant an extra year of eligibility to spring sports; what would happen in there is no NCAA football in 2020; different scenarios for playing football; and, the economic impact of COVID-19 on the NCAA.
April 4, 2020
Episode 20: Interview with USC Men’s Basketall about the Coronavirus cancellations of March Madness!
We talk to Mike Sweats from USC Trojans Men’s Basketball about how the team is dealing with the coronavirus
March 26, 2020
Episode 19: Mascot off with Spencer!! COVID 19!
Spencer goes head to head with Ryne from Miami to see who is the best in the land on mascots! Also, we discuss COVID19!
March 26, 2020
Ep 18 Coronavirus implications, Zcruit interview, and NCAA tournament talk.
We're back!  We talk about how the coronavirus May implication teams canceling games (some already have). Is the NCAA tournament at risk? We interview Jordan Heighway with Zcruit as well.
March 11, 2020
Episode 17: Pitt violations, Rules Ed on CARA and countable coaches, One-Time Transfer
We discuss the recent Pitt violations involving countable coaches and CARA. We also discuss the one-time transfer proposal for all sports, we discuss BYU Childs basketball agent issue, and wrap up the week.
February 22, 2020
Episode 16: Interview with Ole Miss Football Recruiting and Late Breaking Level I violations
We interview Alex Collins with Ole Miss football recruiting, we talk about the Adidas scandal, and we touch on late breaking NCAA level I charges from the NCAA
February 15, 2020
Episode 15: Interview with Oregon State Compliance. Mascot-Off game!
We talk to Kyle Pifer from Oregon State Compliance and also Spencer is challenged by a listener to a mascot-off.
February 10, 2020
Episode 14 Interview with BSK Law Firm
Today we talk with Kyle Skillman from BSK Law Firm. “Kyle concentrates his practice on the representation of colleges, universities and individuals in NCAA compliance and infractions matters.”
February 9, 2020
Episode 13: Interview with Arizona State Compliance, discussion of the Kansas Brawl
We interview Brad Chandler, the Director of Compliance for Arizona State. Also, we discuss the Kansas v Kansas State basketball brawl and recap some upcoming basketball. Finally, next week we’ll chat with Oregon State and BSK law firm (the nation’s top college sports law firm).
January 28, 2020
Episode 12: LSU cash handshakes, CSU Northridge Interview.
Today we talk about OBJs cash handshakes with LSU players after the national championship game and the NCAA implications. We interview Shareef Amer from CSU Northridge, an Associate Athletic Director. We also talk about the upcoming college basketball season.
January 18, 2020
Episode 11: Syracuse interview, Kyrie Irving violation, and bowls
We interview the head of football compliance for Syracuse and discuss the UCONN Kyrie Irving violation and then make some college football bowl predictions
January 14, 2020
Episode 10: LeBron James Gives Beats to Ohio State Football & Interview with Utah State Compliance.
We discuss how LeBron James was able to give Beats to Ohio State football student-athletes. Also, we interview Utah State Senior Associate Athletic Director. We recap the bowls and upcoming bowls.
January 4, 2020
Episode 9 TCU violation, student-athlete employment, bowls
We discuss the TCU employment violation, the rules education on employment of student-athletes, and bowl predictions
December 28, 2019
Episode 8: Busy week of NCAA violations!
We discuss recent violations around the country, rules on publicity and tutors, and discuss signing day and upcoming bowl games.
December 20, 2019
Episode 7: National Letter of Intent (Early football signing period)
Behind the scenes look and discussion about the NLI and early signing period for football.
December 17, 2019
Episode 6 Missouri Violation & CFB Bowl Season
Missouri Violation & College Football Bowl Season
December 10, 2019
Episode 4 Seton Hall Violation, Memphis Violation Recap, Recruiting Rules
EP 4 We discuss the recent Seton Hall basketball violations, headcoach responsibility, we recap Memphis violation and we discuss recruiting rules.
November 26, 2019
Episode 3: Penny Hardaway and Memphis Basketball Violation
In today's episode we recap the Ohio State Chase Young violation and discuss the Penny Hardaway Memphis Basktetball issue.
November 16, 2019
Episode 2: Ohio State Football News
In todays episode we discuss Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State potential infractions. 
November 12, 2019
Episode 1: Athlete Name Image and Likeness
In this weeks episode we discuss new rules and state and federal laws pushing for student-athletes to be able to use their name image and likeness while maintaining their amateurism. 
November 7, 2019