Jesus, Dietrich, and Me
By Family of God Lutheran Church
Join LCMS Pastors Jim Hill and Tyler Cronkright as they look the different works of German theologian and pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer and weave them together with Jesus and current cultural affairs.
Our music (beginning at Episode 50) is Beyond the Warriors by Guifrog.
Our music (beginning at Episode 50) is Beyond the Warriors by Guifrog.
Psalm 127 - The Lord Builds ft. Pastor Mike (Ep. 88)
Joined by Pastor Mike from Ohio, we begin a new book today! Taking a look at a sermon given at age 20 by Dietrich about rebuilding Germany but not building in vain. It is the Lord Jesus, in whom we have forgiveness of sins, who builds. If He is not the builder, our labors are in vain. Follies include destruction of dirt bikes and ATVs, Juneteenth and Father's Day, and of course Justin Trudeau. You can find a copy of the Meditations on the Psalms here: https://www.amazon.com/Dietrich-Bonhoeffers-Meditations-Psalms-Bonhoeffer/dp/031026703X/ref=sr_1_3?crid=WFSL8IMCJ3QL&keywords=dietrich+bonhoeffer+psalms&qid=1655990256&sprefix=dietrich+bonhoeffer+psalms%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-3
June 24, 2022
Lord of the Flies (Ep. 87)
On this episode, we talk about everything from Boarding School, to confessing the name YHWH, to what Dietrich experienced when he comes face to face with an enemy. We also take a detour and consider what the future for children may look like apart from Christ. Follies this week include gas prices, the Christian response to pride, and "insincere" prayers.
June 17, 2022
Baptize Your Babies (Ep. 86)
On this episode, we look at another letter that Dietrich writes to his friend Eberhard regarding Eberhard's child and baptism. Should the family wait to have the child baptized? Should the child be baptized while Eberhard is at war? We have a great conversation on the importance of infant baptism within the Church. Follies of the week include the United Church of Christ, The View, and of course the United States Government.
June 10, 2022
A Prisoner's Prayer (Ep. 85)
A delightful conversation about prayer. In this episode we take a look at the morning and evening prayers that Dietrich wrote for his fellow prisoners, leading to a discussion about what prayer is and why do we pray at all? Can we change God's mind? Dietrich's morning prayer can be found here or in the book, Letters and Papers from Prison: http://www.findingsolace.org/morning-prayer-for-fellow-prisoners-by-dietrich-bonhoeffer/ Follies of the week include a Dennis Prager quote, the mayor of LA, Justin Trudeau, and companies/organizations that change their logos to the LGBTQIA+ rainbow for Pride Month.
June 03, 2022
A Pastor's Pastor & Brotherly Love (Ep. 84)
On this episode, we take a look at a letter to one of Dietrich's best friends, Eberhard Bethge. We discuss the importance for pastors to have pastors and have God's Word spoken to them. We talk about the intimate love shared between brothers and how badly Dietrich misses his family and friends. But, nevertheless, there is joy in Christ. Additionally: three follies of the week, and Pastor Jim gets cancelled!
May 20, 2022
The "Threat" of the Confessing Church (Ep. 83)
Folly(ies) of the week, Dietrich's defense to his accusers, the posing "threat" of the Confessing Church, and why Dietrich is being persecuted. "Hope refuses to be put to shame."
May 13, 2022
Heil Hitler & Roe v. Wade (Ep. 82)
Quite the discussion on a variety of topics in this episode, highlighted by loneliness in ministry, the recent Roe v. Wade potential overturn, and Bonhoeffer signing a letter to his judge advocate "Heil Hitler!"
May 06, 2022
Wedding Sermon From A Prison Cell (Ep. 81)
Both a serious and light-hearted conversation about marriage. What does God's Word say about marriage? What does it mean for a wife to submit to her husband and for a husband to love his wife? If you have comments or questions, please let us know on our website www.fogdetroit.com
April 29, 2022
Awaiting Trial (Ep. 80)
Twitter makes the folly of the week, Easter and concern from Dietrich's prison cell, reading the Psalms, and Dietrich's "Wedding from a Prison Cell" are featured in this week's episode.
April 22, 2022
Easter Is Overrated (Ep. 79)
Drop your stones and listen to this special Holy Week episode before jumping to conclusions. Article can be found here: https://www.1517.org/articles/easter-is-overrated Bump music is "O Sacred Head Now Wounded" by Reawaken
April 14, 2022
Death Is All Around Us (Ep. 78)
Death is all around us. How does the Christian respond in faith? In this episode, we wrap up the initial analysis of Nazi Germany before Dietrich heads off to prison. We talk about optimism, present and future, and death. Dietrich then poses an interesting question: "Are we, then, still of any use?"
April 08, 2022
Circle Of Trust (Ep. 77)
Part 3 of 4 on Dietrich's initial analysis of Nazi Germany. In this episode we talk about God allowing his servants to be crushed, confidence and trust, sympathy, and suffering.
April 01, 2022
The State Of Nazi Germany (Ep. 76)
We are continuing the discussion of Dietrich's analysis of the State of Nazi Germany. How did we get here? In this second part of a four part episode, we discuss success, folly, immanent righteousness, and contempt for humanity.
March 29, 2022
Ten Years Later (Ep. 75)
Dietrich is about to be arrested for being associated in the plot to kill Adolf Hitler. Before diving into "Letters and Papers from Prison," We take a look at an essay written by Dietrich to the people of Germany. What have we learned in 10 years since Bonhoeffer first began his resistance movement in Nazi Germany?
March 11, 2022
Defending Dietrich (Ep. 74)
Troubled by critique of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, specifically The Cost of Discipleship, Pastor Cronkright takes a MAJOR detour from the intended topic today and guides a discussion with Pastor Hill refuting some of the bold claims from Dietrich Bonhoeffer's critics. Was Dietrich REALLY Lutheran? Is discipleship law or is it rooted in the Gospel? We discuss this and more as we (again) introduce his letters and papers from prison. You can listen to Pastor Riley and Pastor Gillespie, two highly respected pastors and Christian men, discuss Bonhoeffer's idea of cheap/costly grace below on the Banned Books podcast. https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9iYW5uZWRib29rcy5saWJzeW4uY29tL3Jzcw/episode/MDQ0ZGJiOWItMjlkNy00ZTUyLWE3OTMtOTQ0OTBlMWQxZjc3?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwi4v6Oyl6r2AhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQNQ
March 04, 2022
Bonhoeffer's Theologia Crucis (Ep. 73)
We FINALLY close out The Cross of Reality, hitting the 12 main points that author Gaylon Barker points out in Bonhoeffer's theology of the cross. It's a great review of the book, our theology, and the centrality of the cross. It is also a great set up for Letters and Papers from Prison, which we will begin next week. Letters and Papers from Prison: https://www.amazon.com/Letters-Papers-Prison-Dietrich-Bonhoeffer/dp/0684838273/ref=sr_1_1?crid=13LES9CB0YLD9&keywords=letters+and+papers+from+prison+dietrich+bonhoeffer&qid=1645719683&sprefix=letters+and+papers+%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-1 The Cross of Reality: https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Reality-Theologia-Bonhoeffers-Christology/dp/1451488807/ref=sr_1_1?crid=HQONLMD9T6VK&keywords=the+cross+of+reality&qid=1645719745&sprefix=The+Cross+of+reality%2Caps%2C94&sr=8-1
February 25, 2022
Worldy Christianity (Ep. 72)
Dietrich lands himself in prison, causing many people to question his authenticity as a follower of Christ. His "Letters and Papers from Prison" suggest otherwise, however. Dietrich strips Christianity to nothing but the cross of Christ, calling for the Church to be a church for the world. To be otherwise, as he would say, is to deny the Gospel. Pick up a copy of "The Cross of Reality" here: https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Reality-Theologia-Bonhoeffers-Christology/dp/1451488807/ref=sr_1_1?crid=34RETZV4WD1Q8&keywords=the+cross+of+reality&qid=1645051127&sprefix=The+cross+of+reali%2Caps%2C118&sr=8-1
February 18, 2022
Christian Resistance (Ep. 71)
Continuation of the discussion from last time. Can the Church exist outside of the World? We talk about perhaps the biggest question circling churches today: "Should politics be discussed in church?"
February 11, 2022
Ethics (Ep. 70)
We discuss Christian Community, the two realms, and the reality of God intersecting with the reality of man. What does Bonhoeffer have to say in his work, "Ethics" when it comes to doing God's will?
January 28, 2022
Post-Finkenwalde Writing (Ep. 69)
The continuation of Dietrich's work at Finkenwalde and a discussion on discipleship during persecution.
January 21, 2022
Finkenwalde (Ep. 68)
First episode of the New Year! We are back in "The Cross Of Reality" talking about Dietrich's motivation to begin the underground seminary at Finkenwalde. We ask the tough question; if pastors, leaders, Christians, and the Church at large are being prepared for an ever-changing culture.
January 14, 2022
Christmas and the Kingdom of Peace (Ep. 67)
Merry Christmas listeners! In this episode, we discuss if there really is a kingdom of peace in Christ. We talk about darkness and why it's perfect for Christ to enter into our world. Finally, we ask the question that EVERYONE wants to know: Did Mary know?? Music within the episode is Mary Did You Know, by Pentatonix
December 27, 2021
Episode 66 - The One Who Became Human
Getting away from the political sphere, we return to some Dietrich writing about the incarnation and what that means for us today. We highlight a letter from Maria von Wedemeyer, Dietrich's fiancee, to him while he was in prison.
December 17, 2021
Episode 65 - On Stupidity
What does Dietrich have to say about stupidity?
December 10, 2021
Episode 64 - The German (American) Church Struggle
We are back to talking Dietrich and the confrontation with the German church. Topics discussed today: Is God only present in Jesus Christ? What happens when Christ is removed from the sermon and the Sacrament? Are we just pawns in a bigger game? Roe v. Wade and the Christian response. A story of praise, hope, and Faith.
December 03, 2021
Episode 63 - Thanksgiving Special
Taking a break from Dietrich this week to talk about the Ten Lepers from Luke 17. What is "community" for a leper? What does the fact that the one returning to Jesus was a Samaritan have to do with the grand story of Scripture? What are you thankful for? And lastly, what SIGNATURE dish is at your Thanksgiving table?
November 25, 2021
Episode 62b - Jesus The Sinner
Pacifism, a sinful Savior, and expository preaching. All important topics with Dietrich's return to Germany. We wrap up the return and talk about what is next with the struggling German church.
November 19, 2021
Episode 62a - What Is The Church?
Pastoral debrief about the purpose of the church and events to begin the episode, and then we continue to the discussion about Dietrich's return to Germany and the state of the German church as Hitler and the Third Reich looms.
November 12, 2021
Episode 61 - Dietrich in Berlin
Dietrich is back from New York. What does he find back home in the country that he loves? Precisely what motivates him to not stay silent and speak up in the face of oppression and injustice. We would do well to remember that too.
November 05, 2021
Episode 60 - Dietrich In New York
We discuss what Dietrich discovered in New York about the Church, setting the table for his return to Germany in 1931 as Hitler rises to power.
October 29, 2021
Episode 59 - Who Is Jesus Christ For Us Today?
In this episode we take a look at one of Dietrich's dissertations in which he poses the question, "who is Christ for you?" We deep dive in his Barcelona experience, relating to front line ministry today. Visit our website www.fogdetroit.com
October 22, 2021
Episode 58 - Young Dietrich
We take a look at what inspired Dietrich to pursue the theology of the cross in the first place, addressing a crucial question for those in the 1920s and 1930s: Who is the person of Jesus Christ to us? We discuss young Dietrich and his tendencies and draw very interesting parallels with what was happening then to what is happening now.
October 08, 2021
Episode 57 - Theology Of The Cross
How does the theology of the cross line up with the theology of glory? Can you have glory without the cross? Pastor Hill, Pastor Cronkright, and Nick discuss a very important topic within Christianity.
October 01, 2021
Episode 56 - Theology of Glory
The discussion on the next chapter of "The Cross of Reality" leads us down the rabbit hole of the theology of glory. We will spend this episode and the next comparing the theology of glory and the theology of the cross. Which one can you identify with more? Is it okay to subscribe to a theology of glory?
September 24, 2021
Episode 55 - Bonhoeffer and Karl Holl
We explore Karl Holl's impact on Dietrich Bonhoeffer's ongoing development of Christology.
September 17, 2021
Episode 54 - The Cross Of Reality
Pastor Hill and Pastor Cronkright introduce The Cross of Reality: Luther's Theologia Crucis and Bonhoeffer's Christology by H. Gaylon Barker. Over the next few episodes, we will be working through the influences of Dietrich and how his Christology formed his theology.
September 10, 2021
Episode 53 - Wheels Of Injustice (Revisited)
We revisit Episode 1 of the Jesus, Dietrich, and Me Podcast by discussing this great quote: "We are not to simply bandage the wounds of the victims beneath the wheels of injustice, we are to drive a spoke into the wheel itself." Don't worry, Pastor Hill is back next week ;)
September 03, 2021
Episode 52 - Creation and Fall: Curse and Promise
We close out our discussion on Creation and Fall by discussing the tension that Adam, and now we, live in between the curse of God (suffering) and the promise of God (deliverance).
August 27, 2021
Episode 51 - Creation and Fall: The Relgious Question
"Did God really say?" This is the question that begins all questions. We talk about the importance of God's Word and how Satan loves to put us in positions to question the authority of God's Word. Music is Beyond the Warriors by Guifrog.
August 20, 2021
Episode 50 - Creation and Fall: The Strength Of The Other Person
On the 50th episode, we read what Dietrich has to say about Eve and what significance this has for Adam and marriage. Eve is God's gift of grace to Adam. Episode music is Beyond the Warriors by Guifrog
August 13, 2021
Episode 49: Creation and Fall: The Image Of God On Earth
God has created the heavens and the earth. He has created distinctions, days, animals, plants, and the cosmos. But none bear His image. It's time for God to create man. What does this mean for us?
August 06, 2021
Episode 48: Creation and Fall - The Word, The Light, The Day
We continue working our way through Creation and Fall, discussing creation myths, animal possession, and the Light of the World, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
July 30, 2021
Episode 47 - Creation and Fall: The Beginning
In 1932 and 1933, Dietrich delivered a series of lectures during the Winter Semester at the University of Berlin. His students demanded these lectures be recorded and published, thus producing Creation and Fall. We start our journey today through this beautifully complex work at The Beginning.
July 23, 2021
Episode 46 - The Unbelieving Way Of Love
We take a look at Dietrich's sermon from 1934 given in London. What is love and why do we love? **Side note from Tyler** - I mistakenly say that Paul was stoned at Laodicea, thinking of Colossians, when I actually was referring to Acts 14 when Paul is stoned at Lystra, and then goes back.
July 16, 2021
Episode 45b - What Does Grace Require?
The pastors and Nick continue the discussion of grace. Cheap or Costly? The answer is "yes."
July 09, 2021
Episode 45a - What Does Grace Require?
The pastors are joined by Vicar Nick today to revisit Dietrich Bonhoeffer's "The Cost of Discipleship." We pose the very controversial question, "What does grace require?"
July 02, 2021
Episode 44 - The One Who Thinks And Lives For Others
The pastors take a look at a sermon given by Dietrich in London in 1934. What does it mean to live for others? How do we serve? Jesus calls us to bear one another's burdens and look to Him on the cross for rest and restoration.
June 25, 2021
Episode 43 - The Church Is Dead
Pastor Hill and Pastor Cronkright take a look at a lecture that Dietrich gave on August 29, 1932 at the International Youth Conference of the Universal Christian Council on Life and Work and the World Alliance for Promoting International Friendship through the Churches in Gland, Switzerland. So, we pose the question..."Is the church dead?"
June 18, 2021
Episode 42b - Learning to Die
We continue our conversation today about Dietrich's interpretation of John's revelation behind the curtain of death, reminding us that those who die in Christ truly die well.
June 11, 2021
Episode 42a - Learning to Die
Dietrich gave a sermon entitled "Learning to Die" where he talks about John's revelation behind the curtain of death in Revelation 14. We had a slightly longer conversation than normal and rather than cutting out some, we decided to break our conversation up into two parts! You'll have to wait until next week for the really juicy conversation about learning to die in our world.
June 04, 2021
Episode 41 - Church of the Word vs. Church of the World
A great discussion today over Dietrich's sermon from exactly 88 years ago! In this sermon, he talks about the conflict at Sinai with Moses, Aaron, and the golden calf. Side note, listen to the end for a short discussion on if God hears prayers of unbelievers and if He changes his mind! Gotta love the rabbit trails.
May 28, 2021
Episode 40 - Freedom
The pastors are back from their Covid-19 break, which inspired an episode on Christian freedom. We pray it provokes you to think about what it means to be free in Christ. Thank you all for your prayers and support of the ministry while we were away.
May 21, 2021
Episode 39 - Confessional Status (Part 2)
Continued raw discussion on the Confessional Status article. Where do we as Christians draw the line? Will we stand with Bonhoeffer and Luther?
April 23, 2021
Episode 38 - Confessional Status
We walk through the document Bonhoeffer, Status Confessionis, and the Lutheran Tradition. Persecution is coming. Will the Church take a stand?
April 16, 2021
Episode 37 - Risen With Christ
What does it mean to be risen with Christ? Do we really let these powerful words impact us in the way that they are intended? Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler jump in to a great discussion as they kick off the Easter Season.
April 09, 2021
Episode 36 - The Church That Believes, Hopes, and Loves
The pastors talk a little controversy in this episode! The church without love is no church at all. ***Pastor Hill is quiet the first 5 minutes or so, but his mic is turned up shortly into it. DON'T WORRY.***
March 26, 2021
Episode 35 - The Betrayer
As we get closer to Good Friday, we look at the one that kicked off the series of events - Judas, one of the twelve, also known as the betrayer.
March 19, 2021
Episode 34 - Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory
"Easter is overrated." What could possibly be meant by this? This week we talk about the importance of Christ crucified and the fruits that he offers us in his body and blood for the forgiveness of sins.
March 12, 2021
Episode 33 - Repent and Do Not Judge
Tragedy and suffering happen all around us. What is Dietrich's message to us in the face of tradgedy? It is to echo what Jesus did throughout his entire ministry: repent.
March 05, 2021
Episode 32 - Turning Back
On Repentance Day 1933, Dietrich delivered a sermon about turning back. These themes ring true for us today as well.
February 26, 2021
Episode 31 - Christ's Strength Is Made Perfect In Our Weakness
Ultimately, God is glorified when Christ Jesus dies on the cross for you. He therefore calls us to serve in our weakness.
February 19, 2021
Episode 30 - Who Do You Say That I Am?
It seems like we, as Christians, are always at war with the world. In this sermon, Dietrich talks about the Confessing Church and why that is so important in the face of opposition.
February 05, 2021
Episode 29 - Lazarus and The Rich Man
The pastors discuss a parable that is not explored too often in regular preaching. Who is Lazarus? Who is the rich man? Where is the Gospel in this parable? All that and more in this week's episode.
January 29, 2021
Episode 28 - God Is Lord
This week we look at Old Testament judge, Gideon. How did he respond to God's call? Are we willing to step out in faith?
January 22, 2021
Episode 27 - Lord, Help My Unbelief
The pastors look at an undated sermon of Dietrich with a timeless message. What is it that you believe in?
January 15, 2021
Episode 26 - Begin With Christ
It is 2021 and the pastors talk about New Year's resolutions and why they fail. Perhaps in this new year, we look beyond ourselves and look to Jesus for a new beginning.
January 08, 2021
Episode 25 - My Spirit Rejoices
The guys look at another 1933 Advent Sermon, this time talking about Mary and the Magnificat
December 18, 2020
Episode 24 - Come, O Rescuer!
The Pastors travel back to December 3, 1933 where Dietrich talks about mine shafts, prisons, and rescue. Our Rescuer has indeed come, and he is coming back.
December 11, 2020
Episode 23 - Christ In Our Midst
Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler take on a unique Advent text! Dietrich uses Revelation 3 in an Advent sermon from 1928. PS: Pastor Jim used a new microphone so bear with us in some of the softer sound. No more issues after today!
December 04, 2020
Episode 22 - Forgiveness
Happy Thanksgiving! The pastors look at another 1935 sermon from Dietrich about forgiveness. We are thankful for the forgiveness that we have in Christ!
November 27, 2020
Episode 21 - Only Love Keeps Us From Being Rigid (Reformation 1934)
Pastors Jim and Tyler take a look at a sermon almost 90 years old that Dietrich gave about loving our neighbors. PS: Please bear with the sound difficulties. We have identified the problem and it will be fixed next episode!
November 20, 2020
Episode 20 - The Day Alone
The pastors begin a new journey, looking at Dietrich Bonhoeffer's book, "Life Together."
November 13, 2020
Episode 19 - The Lord's Supper (Part 2)
The pastors continue the discussion on the Lord's Supper.
November 06, 2020
Episode 18 - The Lord's Supper (Part 1)
Great discussion today with Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler. Jesus has given his body and shed his blood FOR YOU!
October 30, 2020
Episode 17 - Baptism (Part 2)
We continue our discussion on Baptism. What about that target on your back?
October 23, 2020
Episode 16 - Baptism (Part 1)
We are back this week talking about Baptism. What is it? Does Baptism save? We answer all (some) the questions in part 1 of this two-part episode.
October 16, 2020
Episode 15 - Confession and Communion (Part 2)
Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler continue their discussion from last week about the importance of having accountability in our lives and the freedom that comes with confessing our sins to our brothers/sisters.
October 02, 2020
Episode 14 - Confession and Communion
Why is confession so important? Who do we confess to? Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler talk about this topic from Dietrich Bonhoeffer's book, "Life Together."
September 25, 2020
Episode 13- Revenge
Our natural response when harm has been done to us is to seek revenge, to get even. What does Dietrich have to say about revenge? Take a listen and hear the echoes of Jesus' words in the New Testament.
September 18, 2020
Episode 12 - Overcoming Fear
Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler talk about a few of the most crippling things affecting people everywhere. Fear, Anxiety, and Depression. It is a raw and honest discussion that always needs to be had. We always seek Christ in the midst of our struggles.
September 11, 2020
Episode 11 - The Visible Community
Are you putting your faith and trust in Covid-19? The government? Or are you putting your faith and trust in Christ Jesus. Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler pose a glaring question on this week's episode.
September 04, 2020
Episode 10 - The Enemy
Who are our enemies? How are we called to treat them? Pray for them? Really?? Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler talk about that today.
August 28, 2020
Episode 9 - The Power Of Spoken Word
What we say carries weight. Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler discuss the power of the tongue and what Bonhoeffer says proclaiming God's Word to our brothers and sisters.
August 21, 2020
Episode 8 - When Christ Calls A Man (Part 2)
...he bids him to come and die. But it is in this death that we find life in Christ.
August 14, 2020
Episode 7 - When Christ Calls A Man (Part 1)
...He bids him to come and die. What does this mean? Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler explore this in part 1 of a 2-part discussion. Enjoy it!
August 07, 2020
Episode 6 - Single-Minded Obedience
Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler discuss Bonhoeffer's concept of single-minded obedience. What does Bonhoeffer mean when he talks about adherence to Christ?
July 31, 2020
Episode 5 - The Call Of Discipleship
Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler talk about what happens when Jesus calls us to follow him. How will you react?
July 24, 2020
Episode 4 - Costly Grace 2.0
Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler continue the discussion from last episode about Bonhoeffer's concept of costly grace.
July 17, 2020
Episode 3 - Costly Grace
Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler discuss the concepts of "cheap grace" and "costly grace" on this episode, using numereous quotations from Bonhoeffer's "The Cost Of Discipleship."
July 10, 2020
Episode 2 - The Cost Of Discipleship
Pastor Jim and Pastor Tyler look at this Bonhoeffer quote: "Christianity without the living Christ is inevitably Christianity without discipleship, and Christianity without discipleship is always Christianity without Christ."
June 26, 2020
Episode 1 - Spoke In The Wheels Of Injustice
“We are not to simply bandage the wounds of victims beneath the wheels of injustice, we are to drive a spoke into the wheel itself.” A discussion about injustice and our role as the Church.
June 18, 2020