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Until We Meet Again

Until We Meet Again

Despite amazing advances in medical science and technology, the mortality rate for human beings stands at 100 percent. Yet, in the face of this statistical reality, death still manages to come as a shock.

Join Elizabeth Fournier, host of KKPZ's show "Until We Meet Again" as we gently open up conversations about death in a culture that often is left wondering what to say or do in response. Please join us every Thursday at 2pm on KKPZ-AM, 1330, Portland, Oregon.

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Jill Murphy Long (Portland Filmmaker "Chance Day" & "Meltdown")

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Liz Gwyn (Author of Amazing Stories of Life After Death)
Join us in our discussion of true stories of angelic appearances, afterlife experiences, and divine occurrences from a special care unit nurse. Dr. Liz Gwyn shares her life as she carries her faith through her nursing practice. 
February 28, 2020
Don Fries and Bev Bow (Healthy World Sedona)
Learn the elements of a Whole Food Plant-Based (WFPB) Lifestyle by two long-time healthful eating believers.  It is a proven sustainable path to a long and healthy life. Don Fries and Bev Bow from Arizona-based Healthy World Sedona share their tips to start your way on your WFPB journey to manage chronic conditions and reverse dementia and the aging process.
February 07, 2020
David McAlvany (Author of The Intentional Legacy)
David McAlvany speaks with me about his thoughtful memoir and musings on the power of legacy, and what it means to create a meaningful family culture. He says loving one another, making new connections, serving our community is how we are to live.  There are many more way to leave a legacy that doesn't equate to financial gifts.  Listen for his fascinating take on the four generational family work ethic - it's quite provocative, and quite realistic. The Intentional Legacy:
January 31, 2020
Judge Carolyn Miller Parr (Author of Love's Way)
Carolyn Miller Parr is a retired judge, mediator, writer, and public speaker.  Her first book, In The Secret Service; The True Story of the Man Who Saved President Reagan's Life with late husband Jerry Parr, retells the story of the March 30, 1981 assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan, as seen by the Agent whose quick action changed history. Love's Way: Living Peacefully With Your Family as Your Parents Age with Sig Cohen, grew out of their joint mediation practice.
January 11, 2020
Tom Schaive (Pastor of Gateway Church, Portland OR)
Pastor Tom shares the ministry of Gateway's Grief Share program which gives a safe space to have conversations about death and dying, these can be incredibly meaningful and powerful.  All are welcome, even those who do not attend Gateway Church.
December 20, 2019
Mark Turnbull (ComForCare Home Care/Aging in Portland radio host)
Elizabeth Fournier interviews fellow KKPZ-AM radio host, Mark Turnbull, in this discussion about proactive aging and the beauty of living. For more information about "Aging in Portland"  radio show: For more information about ComForCare:
December 17, 2019
Anne Richardson (Chaplain and Veriditas labyrinth facilitator)
Anne joins us to talk about her path of listening to others on the deep soul level by allowing people to look at their grief with tenderness, without fear.  Anne Richardson, M.A., is a board certified chaplain, certified spiritual director, certified Veriditas labyrinth facilitator and poet based in Portland, Oregon. Anne established Nurture Your Journey in 2016 after working in home hospice for more than seven years. What to expect when working with Anne:
December 13, 2019
Bob Kuenzli (93 Year Young Man)
Meet Bob, a feisty and full-of-life 93 Year old Salem, Oregon man who graciously  shares his colorful life story with us.
December 04, 2019
Robin Bertram (Author of Hidden Treasures: Finding Hope at the End of Life's Journey)
As an author, seasoned conference speaker, and former host of the nationally syndicated television program Freedom Today, Robin Bertram brings a wealth of knowledge to the pages of her book, Hidden Treasures.
November 01, 2019
Kristi Hugstad (Author of Beneath the Surface)
My guest today is Kristi Hugstad, a grief recovery specialist who writes for Huffington Post as well as hosting a radio show, offering public speaking engagements is the author of Beneath the Surface: A Teen’s Guide to Reaching Out when You or Your Friend Is in Crisis. Ever since her husband completed suicide in 2012, after years of struggling with clinical depression, by running in front of a train, she has dedicated her life to helping to abolish the stigma of mental illness and suicide. A certified grief recovery specialist and a grief and loss facilitator for recovering addicts at South Coast Behavioral Health, Kristi frequently speaks at high schools. She is also the host of The Grief Girl podcast and lives in Orange County, California. Visit her online at
September 25, 2019
J Dana Trent (Author of Dessert First : Preparing for Death While Savoring Life)
Dana Trent is an author who makes our lives more bearable as we deal with grief with her tender heart and lovable personality. She is a is a graduate of Duke Divinity School and professor of World Religions and Critical Thinking at Wake Tech Community College. An ordained Baptist minister and former hospital chaplain, her work has appeared on, and in Religion News Service, Sojourners, Religion Dispatches, and The Christian Century. Her book invites the reader on a rich journey of considering death—our own and our loved ones’—as a sweet spiritual part of life, rather than a dreaded destination. And did I mention she is lovable?
September 25, 2019
Baier & Anne Fine (Brave Sky Ranch)
My guests today are Baier and Anne Fine from Brave Sky Ranch in Idaho Falls, Idaho, where they believe interaction with horses is the key to solving the mystery of healing the heart. Brave Sky Ranch also believes that friendship with horses is an incredible and unsung tool to help individuals move forward, away from past trauma and pain.
September 06, 2019
Lisa Smartt (Author of Words at the Threshold)
Lisa Smartt is the author of Words at the Threshold, a book dedicated to the final words of the dying. When Lisa's father became terminally ill with cancer, she began recording his conversations and noticed that his personality showed some curious changes. Once a skeptical man with a secular worldview, he developed a deeply spiritual outlook in his final days — a change that was reflected in his language. Lisa came from a background of linguistics training and majored in linguistics at UC Berkeley so this provoked her to track his final words.
September 06, 2019
Dave Kieta (Young son miraculously healed from rare form of cancer)
An amazing story about a very amazing little boy.
August 17, 2019
Kathleen Lundquist (Funeral Vocalist)
Meet a funeral singer: In her music, Kathleen Lundquist seeks the pathway to love that lasts, plunging into the ocean of human emotion to find truths of the spirit.  Her songwriting explores issues of faith, love, fear, anger, tragedy, healing, and hope. In her experience, encountering the Light is much more meaningful for those who feel their darkness.
August 09, 2019
Shane J. Wood (Author of Between Two Trees)
My guest today is Dr. Shane J. Wood, the professor of New Testament Studies and Associate Academic Dean at Ozark Christian College, and author of the new book, Between Two Trees.: Our Transformation from Death to Life.... And super fan of the enneagram.
August 03, 2019
Lora Jones (Author of Song of a Wounded Heart)
 My guest today is Lora Jones, author of Song of a Wounded Heart. She is an inspirational speaker and lives in Liberal, Kansas.  In November 2004, Lora Jones was a happy wife and proud mother of two beautiful children. Lora and her family left for a family vacation, excited to celebrate the holidays, but sounds of music and laughter in their van were shattered by a head-on collision. Lora watched helplessly as, one-by-one, her beloved family slipped into eternity. Awake in a nightmare, all traces of laughter were replaced by the mournful cries of a wounded heart. How in the world could Lora go on alone?Song of a Wounded Heart tells the true story of Lora’s journey from death to hope. Unbelievably, God sang to her the night of the accident.
August 03, 2019
Melinda Gustafson Gervasi (How to Leave a Legacy)
Melinda Gustafson Gervasi is an Attorney at Law in the lovely city of Madison, Wisconsin. She’s the author of “Middle Class Philanthropist: How Anyone Can Leave a Legacy.” During the course of her legal practice, Melinda recognized a need for clients who are working on estate planning but had no obvious heir. In this book, she redefines the conventional view of philanthropy, by providing simple and practical tools for anyone to follow to leave their own legacy.
July 31, 2019
Mike Nappa (Author of Hard Way Home: A Woman's Inspiring Battle With Cancer and the Lives She Touched)
Mike wrote “Hard Way Home,” his story about the biggest things in life, which is ironic because it ends with a death. When Amy Nappa was unexpectedly diagnosed with Stage IV-B uterine cancer, her life and that of her husband's, Mike, changed forever . For more information:
July 02, 2019
Rico Kaplan (Author / Street Preacher / Cross Maker)
Rico discusses his books, Fire in My Bones, and Pastah! Tales From the Feet of a Street Minister. 
June 27, 2019
Robin Bertram (Author of No Regrets)
Author, seasoned conference speaker and host of nationally syndicated television program, “Freedom Today,” Robin Betram  shares practical solutions to the problems everyone must deal with when they are experiencing the degradation of the quality of their life or the potential loss of a loved one.  For more about Robin:
June 27, 2019
Merrit Hearing (Author of Lessons from a Son's Life . . . and Death) Part 3
My guest today is Merrit Hearing, a retired letter carrier whose life abruptly changed forever on July 3, 2007. It was on that day when his 16-year old son, Elliott, drowned at Cannon Beach after getting caught in a sneaker riptide. He writes about the whole experience in his book, “Lessons Learned from a Son’s Life…and Death.” Part 3: How to Help
June 18, 2019
Merrit Hearing (Author of Lessons from a Son's Life . . . and Death) Part 2
My guest today is Merrit Hearing, a retired letter carrier whose life abruptly changed forever on July 3, 2007. It was on that day when his 16-year old son, Elliott, drowned at Cannon Beach after getting caught in a sneaker riptide. He writes about the whole experience in his book, “Lessons Learned from a Son’s Life…and Death.” Part 2:  Finding Your New Normal
June 18, 2019
Merrit Hearing (Author of Lessons from a Son's Life . . . and Death) Part I
My guest today is Merrit Hearing, a retired letter carrier whose life abruptly changed forever on July 3, 2007. It was on that day when his 16-year old son, Elliott, drowned at Cannon Beach after getting caught in a sneaker riptide. He writes about the whole experience in his book, “Lessons Learned from a Son’s Life…and Death.” Part I: The Day
June 18, 2019
Derek Flores (Author of Letters to a Hospice Nurse)
My guest today is Derek Flores, a registered nurse and author who has worked with Hospice and Pediatric Patients for the past seven years. Derek and his daughters live on Colorado’s Front Range at the foot of the Rocky Mountains where he enjoys snowboarding and mountain biking. We’re going to discuss a few of his books today, as well as his ministry as a hospice nurse.  For more information about Derek:!
June 14, 2019
Elaine Voci (Grief Coloring Book)
My guest today is Elaine Voci, a Life Coach, an author of 8 nonfiction books, and a Certified Life Cycle Celebrant trained in funerals. Since 2014, she has been hosting and facilitating a quarterly Death Cafe in her community.   For more information about Elaine:
June 14, 2019
Kathryn Butler MD (Author of Between Life and Death)
Kathryn L. Butler, MD, is a trauma and critical care surgeon who recently left clinical practice to homeschool her children.  She and her family live in the woods north of Boston. Today we will be talking about her book, Between Life and Death.
June 01, 2019
Rev. Patrick Riecke (Author of How to Talk to the Sick and Dying)
Reverend Patrick Riecke, author of How to Talk to Sick, Dying and Grieving People, and 101 Ways to Find Meaning in Suffering talks about his work as  the Director of Chaplaincy and Volunteers for Parkview Health in the Fort Wayne, Indiana Area. 
June 01, 2019
Mark Anthony Waters (Author of Three Day s in Heaven)
Marc Anthony Waters, a man with a heart as big as Texas. Author of Death by Suicide in Three Days in Heaven. And apparently quite a golfer.
May 24, 2019
Mickey Ronningen (National Artist)
Join Elizabeth Fournier for a conversation about near-death experience, the possible unimportance of a bucket list, and what it's like to work on the set of the Portland television show, Portlandia.
May 24, 2019
Jethro Heiko (The Hello Game)
Jethro Heiko  is one of the creators of the conversational game called Hello, an easy, non-threatening way to start a conversation with your family and friends about what matters most.  Jethro learned how meaningful and surprisingly joyful these conversations about what matters most can be, and was struck that people do not have to wait until there is a health crisis to have, and benefit from these conversations .  You can find the game at
May 11, 2019
Janet Haney (Author of Write Your Way Through Change)
 Janet Haney, an author and creative journaling teacher who encourages her students to be brave and keep going! She recently wrote Write Your Way Through Change, a 21-day Devotional Journal for Grief & Major Life Transitions. 
May 04, 2019
Robert Pruitt (Author of It Is Well With My Soul)
Robert Leigh Pruitt, II is a national and internationally recognized leadership trainer and motivational speaker. He is the author of several books including It Is Well with My Soul, Watching Daddy Live! 
May 04, 2019
Angelo Merendino (Photo-documentary, "The Battle We Didn’t Choose")
Angelo Merendino is a freelance photographer for Corbis News and Getty Images. Angelo’s photographs have been exhibited in New York City, Washington, D.C. and Rome, Italy.  Angelo's photo-documentary, The Battle We Didn’t Choose – My Wife’s Fight with Breast Cancer, has received worldwide recognition. Intimate, honest, and moving, Angelo’s photographs offer viewers a look inside the day-to-day life of a young couple facing breast cancer together.  To learn more:
April 29, 2019
Alysha Lacey (The Dougy Center, National Center for Grieving Children & Families)
My guest today is Alysha Lacey, Program Director at the Dougy Center, also known as the National Center for Grieving Children & Families is a nonprofit organization based in Portland, Oregon that offers support groups and services to grieving children and young adults. Its peer support program and network of children's grief services make the organization the first of its kind in the United States.
April 26, 2019
Marlie Rowell (Suicide Widow Etiquette)
My guest today is Marlie Rowell, a woman trying to undo the stigma around mental illness through art after her husband died by suicide. She calls herself a suicide widow and has a website called Suicide Widow Etiquette, featuring her art and stages of grief. 
April 26, 2019
April Murchinson (Pastor at Emanuel Temple in Portland, Oregon)
Pastor April Murchinson of Emmanuel Temple Church, a woman with a love for people and a desire for unity. I would hold her up to be a true example of a Proverb 31 woman.  
April 16, 2019
Amy Wright Glenn (Author: Holding Space: On Loving, Dying, and Letting Go)
Amy Wright Glenn earned her MA in Religion and Education, she is a birth doula, hospital chaplain, and founder of the Institute for the Study of Birth, Breath, and Death. Amy is the author of Birth, Breath, and Death: Meditations on Motherhood, Chaplaincy, and Life as a Doula. I’m talking to her today about her latest book, Holding Space: On Loving, Dying, and Letting Go.
April 12, 2019
Maryanne Pope (Author: A Widow's Awakening)
Her story is engaging, powerful, and heart-wrenching. Her book contains an honest look at the first year of a widow’s grief captures the immense difficulty of learning how to accept the unacceptable while transforming loss into positive change. 100% of proceeds go to the  John Petropoulos Memorial Fund. WOW!
April 12, 2019
Katrina Bart (Author: Where Do They Go?)
Winner of 3 international book awards, Touching, profound and poignant, this book gently and sensitively takes the child on the journey of the soul, reminding them that this life is only ever temporary and that wherever they go, the spirit of a loved one or pet always travels with them.
April 10, 2019
Lindsey Dennis (Author: Buried Dreams)
At 20 weeks pregnant, Lindsey R. Dennis and her husband were told the child she was carrying would not live due to a fatal diagnosis. Later, in another stunning blow, they were told the same news with her second pregnancy. They chose to celebrate both lives alongside a community, both local and online, of hundreds of thousands as she carried each child to term only to bury them 14 months apart from each other.
April 10, 2019
Stacy Verdick Case (Momma of an Angel)
Experiencing the loss of a baby is one of the worst things that can happen to a parent. My guest today is Stacy Verdick Case, a spirit-filled woman whose relationship with God became very strained after the death of her very young son, Marshall. Stacy was 5 months pregnant when she gave birth to her first child, but he unfortunately was too small to survive.  You can learn more about her here:
April 02, 2019
Pastor Brent Christianson (Author: Good Grief Devotional)
The Good Grief Devotional offers wise, honest companionship to those who struggle with the death of a loved one, a divorce, the loss of a job, or another major life transition. Pastor Brent D. Christianson's fifty-two devotions follow the ten stages of grief outlined in Granger Westberg's helpful book, Good Grief.
April 02, 2019
Aimee Adelmann (Donate Life Northwest )
Aimee discusses organ and tissue donation and how easy it is to sign up through Donate Life Northwest.
March 20, 2019
Heather Michet (Iris Healing Arts)
Heather Michet is a Ceremonialist, Songstress and healing guide who believes in the healing power of ceremony and music to guide and support us through our grief. Find out more at
March 20, 2019
Josh Lattin (Owner of Heritage Elder Care)
Josh Lattin, a gentle man and humanitarian who cares for the aged in his home, Heritage Elder Care, located in Damascus, Oregon, discusses his House of Love.
March 16, 2019
Jill Murphy Long (Portland Filmmaker "Chance Day" & "Meltdown")
Jill Murphy Long: filmmaker, storyteller and brain tumor survivor. On March 28th, 1979, she was 15 years old and delivering The York Dispatch newspaper to her neighborhood of sleepy Penn Oaks South, Pennsylvania, less than 13 miles from the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant.  Elizabeth talks with Jill about her tireless pursuit to use story in order to spotlight environmental and societal injustices. To find out more and see how you can get involved:
March 16, 2019
Stacia Burton (Motherless Daughters)
Meet the fabulous Starchild, long-term friend of host, Elizabeth. They discuss being motherless daughters, and sharing the bond of becoming motherless daughters at a very young age.
March 02, 2019
Deon Strummer (Green Cremation/Aqua Dissolution)
Deon opened the first alkaline hydrolysis facility in the Portland metro area, a natural water-based cremation process, that speeds up the body's natural decomposition after death. The process leaves a significantly smaller carbon footprint on the earth and uses only one-tenth of the energy of flame cremation. 
February 26, 2019
Nurse Kristen Apple Applegate (End of Life Doula/Founder Applegate Overcrossings)
Kristin Applegate, fondly known as Nurse Apple, is a Hospice Nurse, End-of-Life Death Doula, creator of Applegate Overcrossings, and Urban Chicken Whisperer.
February 26, 2019
Rob Gaskill (Estacada Funeral Chapel Owner)
Meet Rob, small town mortician and musician. He shares his life as a country undertaker who has been in the professional for 35 years.
February 26, 2019
Ed Bixby (Historic Columbian Cemetery)
A real estate broker and land developer by trade, Ed has recently developed a green burial ground in Historic Columbian Cemetery in Portland, Oregon.
February 25, 2019
Darcy Hansen (Theology Student)
Listen as Darcy explains her passion for exploring pathways to better dialogue and to help reframe the death narrative both culturally and within the church.
February 20, 2019
Kenton Johnson (Clackamas County Fire Chaplain)
Kenton Johnson, a man of the cloth, and I mean that figuratively and literally as he is a chaplain who wears a few different uniforms. 
February 20, 2019
Rico Kaplan (Evangelist/Street Preacher)
Evangelist  Rico Kaplan shares his experience as a street preacher in some very rough neighborhoods - notably in Jamaica  where he spent a considerable amount of time.
February 16, 2019