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Veterans of Culture Wars

By Zach Malm and David Lester
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EPISODE REPLAY: Shane Claiborne Conversation on Guns and the Death Penalty
EPISODE REPLAY:  We were honored to talk with Christian activist Shane Claiborne earlier this year about America's epidemic of gun violence.  We recorded this episode on March 24th - a few days after mass shootings in Atlanta and Boulder, and the 3rd anniversary of the March For Our Lives. The conversation includes why gun violence is both a heart problem and a law/legislation problem, why Americans make idols of guns and rugged individualism, and Virginia becoming the 23rd state to outlaw the death penalty.  The problem of gun violence can certainly look bleak, but Shane has an infectious hope that meaningful change is possible, and we felt more hopeful after talking with him. "He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples.  They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.  Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore." Isaiah 2:4, NIV Find Shane Claiborne online: Twitter:  @shaneclaiborne Facebook:  ShaneClaiborne Instagram:  ShaneClaiborne Books by Shane Claiborne: Beating Guns: Hope for People Who are Weary of Violence by Shane Claiborne and Michael Martin. Order here:  https://thesimpleway.myshopify.com/collections/books/products/beating-guns-hope-for-people-who-are-weary-of-violence Executing Grace: How the Death Penalty Killed Jesus and Why Its Killing us by Shane Claiborne.  Order here:  https://thesimpleway.myshopify.com/collections/books/products/beating-guns-hope-for-people-who-are-weary-of-violence Other books by Shane you can view and order here:  https://thesimpleway.myshopify.com/collections/books Article on Shane Claiborne's activism:  https://www.newyorker.com/news/on-religion/god-guns-and-country-the-evangelical-fight-over-firearms Mentioned on the Pod: Article:  Virginia bans the death penalty.  https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/24/politics/virginia-governor-signs-law-death-penalty/index.html Article:  8 million people have left the church between 2016-2020.  https://newrepublic.com/article/161772/can-religion-give-ptsd Article:  Seeing Gun Violence as Pro-Life Issue by Shane Claiborne.  https://baptistnews.com/article/seeing-gun-violence-as-a-pro-life-issue/#.YGOmJ0hKiSM Article:  Rethinking the Second Amendment by Shane Claiborne.  https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2021/3/24/22347346/maybe-its-time-to-rethink-the-second-amendment-christians -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:02:57
September 14, 2021
Driscoll's Spiritual Father Grift: Jolie Monea and Tiffany Eneas from Trinity Church
Jolie Monea and Tiffany Eneas, formerly members of The Trinity Church in Scottsdale, AZ, join the pod to talk about their experiences at Mark Driscoll's desert church, where Mark and Grace Driscoll present themselves as spiritual "father" and "mother" in front of the church while congregants are the "family". Jolie also shares about how her long-term friendship with the Driscolls (one of her daughters is married to one of the Driscoll sons) led to her family being part of a small home group with them after Mark resigned from Mars Hill, then ultimately moving with the Driscolls from Seattle down to Scottsdale when Mark was starting The Trinity Church.  Finally, Tiffany shares how God used Beavis and Butthead to bring her and her husband (former guest Ben Eneas) together. Mentioned on the pod: Professor Warren Throckmorton interviews former Mars Hill Executive Elders Sutton Turner and Dave Bruskas:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkPwP4ng5l4 Jolie Monea's "Postcards from Phoenix":  https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/02/postcards-from-phoenix-when-family-ties-are-tested/ Tiffany Eneas' "Postcards from Phoenix":  https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2021/06/02/postcards-from-phoenix-when-church-demands-obedience/ Kim Thompson's "Postcards from Phoenix":  https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2021/08/12/postcards-from-phoenix-too-good-to-be-true/ Luke Chase's "Postcards from Phoenix":  https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2021/05/30/postcards-from-phoenix-when-church-divides-a-family/ Babylon Bee:  Marco Driscolito:  https://babylonbee.com/news/hot-new-seattle-church-launched-by-mexican-american-pastor-marco-driscolito?fbclid=IwAR1nYkZGiru_uSh_8qBMVISfFJSYeQ3cXbAYaF2nVeLiifhCZKO94ahvsGQ -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:54:57
September 9, 2021
Gregory Thornbury on Christian Rock Pioneer Larry Norman and Critical Kayfabe Theory
Larry Norman biographer Gregory Alan Thornbury (Why Should the Devil Have All the Good Music) joins the podcast to talk about the godfather of Christian rock music and the larger Jesus Movement that he inspired and later disavowed. He also talks about Critical Kayfabe Theory, a way of interpreting the actions of public figures like Mark Driscoll through the lens of professional wrestlers, who have a strict code of staying in character, and what happens when things go off script.  Get a copy of "Why Should the Devil Have All the Good Music: Larry Norman and the Perils of Christian Rock" right here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/537583/why-should-the-devil-have-all-the-good-music-by-gregory-alan-thornbury/ Follow Greg Thornbury on Twitter:  @greg_thornbury Read the viral article on Kayfabe theory on David Dark's Substack:  https://daviddark.substack.com/p/on-metaphor-and-kayfabe -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:37:49
August 31, 2021
Stephanie Drury and The Rise and Fall of "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill"
Our first official return guest, Stephanie Drury from Stuff Christian Culture Likes, comes back on the pod. We talk about a variety of things related to the Christianity Today podcast "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill". In what ways did Mark Driscoll shape Mars Hill into a rape culture and teach about sex in specific ways that re-traumatized victims of sexual violence? Why did so many women at Mars Hill reach out to Stephanie, and what were their stories like? Is the Christianity Today podcast doing a better job of centering victims or protecting institutions? Find Stephanie: Twitter:  @Stuffcclikes Facebook:  Stuff Christian Culture Likes Website:  www.stuffchristianculturelikes.com Podcasts:  "Dongtini", "Hard Feelings Bro" Some Podcasts where she was a guest:  https://www.owltail.com/people/yNFHA-stephanie-drury/appearances -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:26:44
August 24, 2021
All Christian. All Gay. All the Time: Pastor Matt Nightingale
Matt Nightingale joins us to discuss the new Netflix documentary Pray Away, his own experience with gay conversion therapy, and his subsequent journey to acceptance, involving coming out as a married dad in his 40s. We also talk about 2 major figures in evangelicalism and what they meant to him: author Rachel Held Evans, and Jesus Movement hippie preacher Lonnie Frisbee, a gay man who claimed to meet Jesus during an LSD trip in the desert and was instrumental in the founding of the Calvary Chapel and Vineyard denominations. Connect with Matt Nightingale: Website:  https://mattnightingale.com/ Twitter:  @mattnightingale Matt's church, The Quest:  https://wearethequest.org/ Matt's non-profit, Common Sanctuary:  https://mattnightingale.com/common-sanctuary/ Mentioned on the Pod: Book- "Searching for Sunday:  Loving, Leaving and Finding the Church" by Rachel Held Evans.  Order here:  https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/searching-for-sunday-loving-leaving-and-finding-the-church/9198144/#edition=8484461&idiq=8270902 Book:  "Inspired:  Slaying Giants, Walking on Water, and Loving the Bible Again" by Rachel Held Evans.  Order here:  https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/inspired-slaying-giants-walking-on-water-and-loving-the-bible-again_rachel-held-evans/18601414/#edition=19797699&idiq=27978585 Documentary:  "Frisbee: The Life and Death of a Hippie Preacher". Watch the trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv3O8SseOio Documentary:  Netflix's "Pray Away".  Watch the trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:41:58
August 17, 2021
Inside Mark Driscoll's Castle: Former Security Director Chad Freese and Volunteer Ben Eneas
Stories of control and paranoia from The Trinity Church, where at least one leader believes Mark Driscoll is the closest thing to Jesus on earth. Chad and Ben talk about how they ended up there, why they left, and why they feel Mark Driscoll should not be leading a church. Follow Chad Freese on Twitter:  @deardriscoll Mentioned on the podcast: -Former security director Chad Freese's website:  https://www.deardriscoll.com/ -Tiffany Eneas (Ben's wife) wrote about her experiences on Warren Throckmorton's blog:  https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2021/06/02/postcards-from-phoenix-when-church-demands-obedience/ -Julie Roys interview where Chad and Ben shared their experiences and other accounts at The Trinity Church:  https://julieroys.com/podcast/inside-the-driscoll-cult/ -Warren Throckmorton interviews former executive elders at Mars Hill Church, Sutton Turner and Dave Bruskas:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkPwP4ng5l4 -A 15 year old teenager and one of Driscoll's daughters share a kiss and the aftermath:  https://churchleaders.com/news/396679-new-church-similar-stories-is-mark-driscoll-an-abusive-leader.html -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:50:14
August 10, 2021
The Rise & Fall of Mars Hill Podcast: Reactions and Thoughts On Episodes 1-4
Zach and Dave discuss the first three episodes of Christianity Today's new podcast "The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill" by Mike Cosper, and Zach gives his thoughts on the fourth episode (which was released after our initial recording). Mentioned in this episode: The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill: https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/ Raft of Dead Monkeys: https://raftofdeadmonkeys.bandcamp.com/ Ninety Pound Wuss: https://open.spotify.com/artist/0VOvF0kfqCTRe37XzWQdvH Suffering and the Hideous Thieves: https://open.spotify.com/artist/7oAXG4Q2lwnj2xhUDE67bt -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:15:44
July 20, 2021
When Swamp Thing Met Jesus: Sam Thielman on Jack Chick and Christian Comic Books
Evangelical subculture has a habit of copying different art forms from the wider culture.  In the era of superhero movies developed from long running Marvel and DC comic books, what were Christian comic books like?  Cultural critic and co-host of the podcast Young Adult Movie Ministry, Sam Thielman joins the pod to discuss Christian comic books and committed Christian personalities who have worked in the comic industry.  He also shares his story with Evangelical Christianity including his family's connection to Billy Graham and Franklin Graham.   Connect with Sam Thielman: @samthielman on Twitter Subscribe to Young Adult Movie Ministry Podcast:  https://yammpod.substack.com/ Mentioned on the Pod: -Sam writes on the Satanic Panic via a film review of "The Conjuring:  The Devil Made Me Do It":  https://popula.com/2021/06/28/demons-panic-and-memory/ -Sam's obituary for Christian comic writer Jack Chick in The Guardian:  https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/25/jack-chick-christian-comic-cartoonist-death -Unpublished DC Comic where Swamp Thing meets Jesus Christ.  Information on that issue here:  https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Swamp_Thing_Vol_2_88_(Unpublished) -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:30:16
July 6, 2021
Companions in Suffering: Wendy Alsup
Author, mom, and math teacher Wendy Alsup joins the podcast to talk about masculinity (farmers vs warriors), her excellent book "Companions in Suffering", and her thoughts on forgiveness (which will be in a forthcoming book released in January 2022). Connect with Wendy Alsup: Website featuring her ministry and work:  https://theologyforwomen.org/ Email:  theologyforwomen@gmail.com Twitter:  @wendyalsup Mentioned on the pod: -Wendy's article on masculinity (farmers vs warriors):  https://modernreformation.org/resource-library/web-exclusive-articles/the-model-for-christian-manhood/ -Wendy's book "Companions in Suffering:  Comfort for Times of Loss and Loneliness".  Buy the book here:  https://www.ivpress.com/companions-in-suffering -Wendy's book "Is the Bible Good for Women?".  Buy the book here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/536308/is-the-bible-good-for-women-by-wendy-alsup/ -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:22:42
June 29, 2021
First Church of Driscoll in Scottsdale: Professor Warren Throckmorton
Do evangelicals want to know the truth about abusive pastors? American history? Conversion therapy? In this wide ranging interview, Professor Warren Throckmorton talks about his Baptist background and journey with Evangelical Christianity. He discusses being a psychology professor and studying gender and sexuality, learning and changing his mind on LGBTQ issues and opposing an anti-gay law in Uganda. We also discuss his reporting on Mark Driscoll and Mars Hill Church continuing on with Driscoll's current organization, The Trinity Church in Scottsdale, Arizona. Read Professor Throckmorton's reporting (including about Mark Driscoll and Trinity Church) here: https://www.wthrockmorton.com/ Other reporting about Mark Driscoll and Trinity Church: -https://julieroys.com/mark-driscoll-cult-like-actions-24-7-surveillance-loyalty/ -https://julieroys.com/driscoll-honeymoon-church-funds-interns-gift-cards/ -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:37:52
June 22, 2021
Dave is Wrong. Shrek is Not a Good Movie.
Zach and Dave are back from a break! Zach presses Dave on whether he is still an Evangelical.  Zach discusses what he has been learning about religious trauma.  Both hosts talk about their favorites movies of 2020 and argue about whether "Shrek" is a good movie (this is still not a debate show, but there are some assertions that require a response, evidence that demands a verdict).  The latest with the Southern Baptist Denomination is discussed as well. Topics mentioned on the Pod: -Dr. Russell Moore's leaked letter addressed to SBC executives:  https://religionnews.com/2021/06/02/leaked-russell-moore-letter-blasts-sbc-conservatives-sheds-light-on-his-resignation/ -Further commentary on Dr. Moore's letter:  https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/russell-moores-cri-de-coeur-should -SBC scandals:  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/06/russell-moore-sbc/619122/ -SBC struggles to condemn white supremacy.  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-southern-baptist-convention-alt-right-white-supremacy/530244/ -SBC apologizes for slavery....in 1995.  https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-06-21-mn-15534-story.html -More on David Bebbington quadrilateral in defining Evangelicalism:  https://www.nae.net/what-is-an-evangelical/ Books about Religious Trauma Syndrome: Leaving the Fold by Marlene Winnell - http://marlenewinell.net/leaving-fold-former You are Your Own: A Reckoning With the Religious Trauma of Evangelical Christianity by Jamie Lee Finch - https://jamieleefinch.com/you-are-your-own CORRECTION:  Dave communicated that the Southern Baptist Convention had not condemned white supremacy.  In fact, they did condemn white supremacy but only after a seismic struggle.  Dave regrets the error.  https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/14/532998287/southern-baptist-convention-votes-to-condemn-white-supremacy -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:17:12
June 15, 2021
A Reckoning for Evangelicalism: Pastor Paul Swearengin
From the Non-Partisan Evangelical Podcast, Pastor Paul Swearengin joins us to talk about the reasons people are leaving the Evangelical church based on polling information given in a recent Gallup religion survey.  We discuss the toxic mixture of faith and political power, racism in the church, marginalization of LGBTQ people and people not believing they find Jesus in the general church anymore.  We also discuss the article "Losing Our Religion" by Russell Moore, the president of Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. Find Pastor Paul online: -The Non-Partisan Evangelical Podcast:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/non-partisan-evangelical-podcast/id1481467496 -Pastor Paul on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCabLAOY-w63Qn8SK37RRfhA -Pastor Paul on TikTok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@pastorpaul_tiktok?lang=en -On Twitter:  @oldpastorpaul Mentioned on the podcast: -Gallup survey results (47% of Americans belong to a church):  https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx -Russell Moore article "Losing Our Religion":  https://www.russellmoore.com/2021/04/15/losing-our-religion/ -A response to Russell Moore's article by Chrissy Stroop (we read this piece after recording the pod):  https://flux.community/chrissy-stroop/2021/04/suicidal-christian-teenagers-open-letter-russell-moore -Lil Nax X's music video for "Montero":  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6swmTBVI83k -Ally Henny's story on Pass the Mic Podcast:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/leave-loud-ally-hennys-story-part-1/id1435500798?i=1000513969746 More information on the Gallup survey results: -Holy Post Podcast episode 452:  https://www.holypost.com/holy-post-podcast/episode/24a32201/episode-452-the-messy-call-to-christian-unity-with-francis-chan -FiveThirtyEight Podcast "Americans Are Losing Their Religion.  That's Changing Politics.":  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/politics-podcast-americans-are-losing-their-religion-thats-changing-politics/ -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:06:47
April 27, 2021
Hospital Chaplaincy in the time of COVID: Lindsey DuBois
Lindsey DuBois joins the pod to talk about her experiences in the Evangelical church and her work as a clinical hospital chaplain especially in the time of COVID.  Lindsey is doing incredibly courageous work helping and praying with people walking through experiences of traumatic loss and grief. -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:08:48
April 13, 2021
Beating Guns: Shane Claiborne
Evangelical activist Shane Claiborne joins the podcast to talk about America's epidemic of gun violence.  We recorded this episode on March 24th - a few days after mass shootings in Atlanta and Boulder, and the 3rd anniversary of the March For Our Lives. The conversation includes why gun violence is both a heart problem and a law/legislation problem, why Americans make idols of guns and rugged individualism, and Virginia becoming the 23rd state to outlaw the death penalty.  The problem of gun violence can certainly look bleak, but Shane has an infectious hope that meaningful change is possible, and we felt more hopeful after talking with him. "He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples.  They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.  Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore." Isaiah 2:4, NIV Find Shane Claiborne online: Twitter:  @shaneclaiborne Facebook:  ShaneClaiborne Instagram:  ShaneClaiborne Books by Shane Claiborne: Beating Guns: Hope for People Who are Weary of Violence by Shane Claiborne and Michael Martin. Order here:  https://thesimpleway.myshopify.com/collections/books/products/beating-guns-hope-for-people-who-are-weary-of-violence Executing Grace: How the Death Penalty Killed Jesus and Why Its Killing us by Shane Claiborne.  Order here:  https://thesimpleway.myshopify.com/collections/books/products/beating-guns-hope-for-people-who-are-weary-of-violence Other books by Shane you can view and order here:  https://thesimpleway.myshopify.com/collections/books Article on Shane Claiborne's activism:  https://www.newyorker.com/news/on-religion/god-guns-and-country-the-evangelical-fight-over-firearms Mentioned on the Pod: Article:  Virginia bans the death penalty.  https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/24/politics/virginia-governor-signs-law-death-penalty/index.html Article:  8 million people have left the church between 2016-2020.  https://newrepublic.com/article/161772/can-religion-give-ptsd Article:  Seeing Gun Violence as Pro-Life Issue by Shane Claiborne.  https://baptistnews.com/article/seeing-gun-violence-as-a-pro-life-issue/#.YGOmJ0hKiSM Article:  Rethinking the Second Amendment by Shane Claiborne.  https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2021/3/24/22347346/maybe-its-time-to-rethink-the-second-amendment-christians -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:02:57
April 6, 2021
Becoming Alien: Sarah Welch-Larson on Creation and Evil
Author Sarah Welch-Larson (Becoming Alien:  The Beginning and End of Evil in Science Fiction's Most Idiosyncratic Film Franchise) joins the pod to talk about evil and creation/discreation in the Alien film franchise, and her interpretation of the series through the lens of Dr. Catherine Keller's "The Face of the Deep: A Theology of Becoming". Get a copy of Sarah Welch-Larson's book by going here:  https://wipfandstock.com/9781725283008/becoming-alien/ Follow Sarah on Twitter:  @dodgyboffin Read her film writing at Bright Wall Dark Room: https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/author/sarahwelch/ Mentioned on the Pod: Film: Alien (Watch the trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ5lPt9edzQ) Film: Aliens (Watch the trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSeQQlaCZgU) Film: Alien 3 (Watch the trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUTaNMJJBa8) Film: Alien Resurrection (Watch the trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15g12dGxWX4) Film: Prometheus (Watch the trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcHYisZFLU) Film: Alien Covenant (Watch the trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svnAD0TApb8) Book:  The Face of the Deep: A Theology of Becoming by Dr. Catherine Keller.  Order here:  https://www.routledge.com/The-Face-of-the-Deep-A-Theology-of-Becoming/Keller/p/book/9780415256490 -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:07:21
March 30, 2021
Mini-Episode: Naming the Victims of Gun Violence
Zach created this audio collage for our upcoming episode discussing gun violence with Shane Claiborne, and we've decided to release it now as a standalone episode, in recognition of the recent mass shootings, and to affirm our support for meaningful change to reduce gun violence in America. Every name you hear is a victim of gun violence.  Where you can help: https://everytown.org/ https://momsdemandaction.org/ Where you can learn: Shane Claiborne and Michael Martin - Beating Guns: Hope for People Who Are Weary of Violence http://bakerpublishinggroup.com/books/beating-guns/388780 Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz - Loaded: A Disarming History of the Second Amendment http://www.citylights.com/book/?GCOI=87286100460830 Shane Claiborne op-ed 3/24/2021 - "Maybe it’s time to rethink the Second Amendment" https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2021/3/24/22347346/maybe-its-time-to-rethink-the-second-amendment-christians
02:28
March 26, 2021
The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Andrew Larsen and Cari Conklin-Larsen
Peacemakers Andrew Larsen and Cari Conklin-Larsen join the pod to talk about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and some of the Evangelical theological beliefs that shape America's approach to this ongoing crisis. Mentioned on the pod: Jewish Voice for Peace- Video:  Israel Palestine Conflict 101.  https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/israeli-palestinian-conflict-101/?fbclid=IwAR1Y0n21BelyVv6sibgKPpFWOLmWOBB6-XsMiPjcN0gBm7d787-OMtPBKNE Video:  Reporting on the Vaccine rollout in Palestine.  https://www.democracynow.org/2021/3/4/vaccine_rollout_palestinian_territories_israel?fbclid=IwAR3Jm_dKLWElNIpiytdv-Xvlx0AlBhk0k-BzJvF-aWZ99Bqtx0f3xK0J8vs Article:  International Criminal Court opens war crimes investigation in Palestinian territories.  https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-icc-prosecutor-says-will-open-investigation-into-war-crimes-in-palestinian-territori-1.9586293?fbclid=IwAR32gWxoU-3Fwfw4k-2482iA5SvqXTdP2QrK4ov9owSCFbhmV_IUpkpcPf4 Book:  The Other Side of the Wall:  A Palestinian Christian Narrative of Lament and Hope by Munther Isaac.  Order here: https://www.ivpress.com/the-other-side-of-the-wall Book:  Palestine Speaks:  Narratives of Life Under Occupation edited by Mateo Hoke and Cate Malek.  Order book here:  https://voiceofwitness.org/oral-history-book-series/palestine-speaks-voices-from-the-west-bank-and-gaza/ Book:  The End of the Peace Process:  Oslo and After by Edward Said.  Order the book here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/159792/the-end-of-the-peace-process-by-edward-w-said/ Book:  A Wall in Jerusalem: Hope, Healing, and the Struggle for Justice in Israel and Palestine by Mark Braverman.  Order the book here:  https://www.amazon.com/Wall-Jerusalem-Healing-Struggle-Palestine/dp/1455574201 Book:  Jesus and the Land: The New Testament Challenge to Holy Land Theology by Gary M. Burge.  Order the book here:  https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/jesus-and-the-land-the-new-testament-challenge-to-holy-land-theology_gary-m-burge/642469/item/15020765/?mkwid=%7cdc&pcrid=475047084461&pkw=&pmt=&slid=&plc=&pgrid=110814253894&ptaid=pla-988546642473&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7Pygw9PG7wIVwwytBh3mUQ0-EAQYASABEgKtYPD_BwE#idiq=15020765&edition=6856024 You can reach out to Andrew Larsen and Cari Conklin-Larsen on Facebook if you are interested in touring Israel/Palestine: -https://www.facebook.com/andrew.e.larsen -https://www.facebook.com/cariconklin68 -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:13:53
March 24, 2021
Jesus and John Wayne: Dr. Kristin Kobes Du Mez on Militant Evangelical Masculinity
Author of the book "Jesus and John Wayne:  How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation", Dr. Kristin Kobes Du Mez joins the pod to talk about how white evangelicals redefined Biblical masculinity to fit the militant masculinity of secular icons like John Wayne, Teddy Roosevelt, and William Wallace. We talk about Mark Driscoll, Donald Trump, Beth Moore, egalitarianism and complementarianism in the church, Explo '72, Hal Lindsey's "Countdown to Armageddon", Kristin's favorite John Wayne film and more. For more information on "Jesus and John Wayne" and Dr. Kristin Du Mez and to get a copy of the book, you can go here: https://kristindumez.com/books/jesus-and-john-wayne/ Get a copy of Kristin's first book "A New Gospel for Women:  Katharine Bushnell and the Challenge of Christian Feminism" by going here: https://kristindumez.com/books/new-gospel-for-women/ Follow Kristin on Twitter:   @kkdumez Mentioned on the pod: -Leah Payne, who is writing a book about Contemporary Christian Music.  For more information on Dr. Payne and updates on her forthcoming book you can follow her on Twitter:  @drleahpayne and view her bio on the Portland Seminary website:  https://www.georgefox.edu/seminary/faculty/bio/leah-payne.html -God's Forever Family: The Jesus People Movement in America by Larry Eskridge. You can get that book here:  https://oxford.universitypressscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780195326451.001.0001/acprof-9780195326451 -Daniel Silliman's upcoming book Reading Evangelicals: How Christian Fiction Shaped a Culture and a Faith. Follow him at @danielsilliman -Bill Bright and Campus Crusade for Christ: The Renewal of Evangelicalism in Postwar America by John G. Turner https://uncpress.org/book/9780807858738/bill-bright-and-campus-crusade-for-christ/ -The Armageddon Experience - One Way (Live at Explo '72) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MoYtlhdirw -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: @vcwpod Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:02:58
March 16, 2021
Hologram Jesus? Canonicity and Extra Gospels with Benito Cereno
Benito Cereno, co-host of the Apocrypals podcast and comics writer (Invincible, The Tick) joins the pod to discuss the Biblical canon and extra-Biblical literature. Spoiler alert: it's weird! He also talks about his upbringing in the Southern Baptist Church and his life as a comic book writer. Dave plays trivia host as Zach and Benito face off in a game of "God-Breathed or Not-Breathed". Check out Benito's work and podcast: https://benito-cereno.tumblr.com/ https://apocrypals.libsyn.com/ -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Benito- @benito_cereno Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:34:16
March 9, 2021
Jesus' Kingdom Vs Nationalism: Pastor Ryan Egli on his Evangelical Journey
Pastor of Renewal Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, Ryan Egli, joins the podcast to talk about his multi-denomination life journey in Evangelical Christianity.  From Charismatic roots to Cornerstone Music Festival to the Mennonite Faith to a Grace Brethren College and beyond, he describes his experiences through different expressions of Evangelicalism.  He also talks about his commitment to pacifism and non-violence inspired by the influence of the Mennonite faith, Jesus' Kingdom vs Evangelical Nationalism and what it is like to be a pastor during the age of COVID and racial unrest. -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Ryan- @ryanegli Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:25:50
March 2, 2021
Looking Closer at Evangelicals and the Movies: Film Critic Jeffrey Overstreet
Roger Ebert said, "The movies are like a machine that generates empathy." Film critic and author Jeffrey Overstreet joins the pod to talk about how Evangelicals approach movies, cinematic art, transcendence, and empathy, as well as spiritually based themes in the films by the Coen Bros.  He also shares some of his favorite films from 2020. -Jeffrey Overstreet's website:  lookingcloser.org -"The Theology of the Coen Brothers? A Conversation Between Matt Zoller Seitz and Jeffrey Overstreet" https://www.lookingcloser.org/blog/2018/04/20/the-theology-of-the-coen-brothers-a-conversation-between-matt-zoller-seitz-and-jeffrey-overstreet/ -Buy Jeffrey's memoir of moviegoing and faith, "Through a Screen Darkly": https://www.amazon.com/Through-Screen-Darkly-Looking-Closer/dp/0830743154/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1N4KTUBB4XHQO&dchild=1&keywords=through+a+screen+darkly&qid=1613176010&sprefix=through+a+screen+%2Caps%2C204&sr=8-1 -Buy Jeffrey's fantasy novel "Auralia's Colors":  https://www.thriftbooks.com/series/the-auralia-thread/42859/ Mentioned on the Pod: Book:  "Amazing Grace:  A Vocabulary of Faith" by Kathleen Norris.    Song:  "Street Hassle" by Lou Reed.   Film:  Midnight Run (d. Martin Brest) Film:  Extra Ordinary (d. Mike Ahern and Enda Loughman) Film:  Lady Bird (d. Greta Gerwig) Film:  Little Fish (d. Chad Hartigan) Film:  Save Yourselves! (d. Alex Huston Fischer and Eleanor Wilson) Overstreet's Top 5 Films of 2020: 5) Shirley (d. Josephine Decker) 4) Bloody Nose, Empty Pockets (d. Bill Ross IV, Turner Ross) 3) Lover's Rock (d. Steve McQueen) 2) Minari (d. Lee Isaac Chung) 1) Nomadland (d. Chloe Zhao) -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Jeffrey- @overstweet Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:32:15
February 23, 2021
The Late, Great World of Qanon: Kait Dugan
Managing director of the Center for Barth Studies at Princeton Theological Seminary, Kait Dugan joins the pod to talk about Evangelicals and Qanon as well as share her story with Evangelical Christianity.  We chat about why Evangelicals seem susceptible to belief in conspiracy theories and more. Articles on Evangelicals and Qanon: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-faqs-what-christians-should-know-about-qanon/ https://religionnews.com/2021/02/11/survey-more-than-a-quarter-of-white-evangelicals-believe-core-qanon-conspiracy-theory/ https://religionnews.com/2020/12/01/eric-metaxas-and-the-losing-of-the-evangelical-mind/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/08/26/1007611/how-qanon-is-targeting-evangelicals/ https://religionunplugged.com/news/2020/10/13/an-evangelicals-guide-to-qanon https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/opinion/evangelicals-qanon.html https://newrepublic.com/article/160922/capitol-riot-revealed-darkest-nightmares-white-evangelical-america https://www.relevantmagazine.com/current/nation/a-new-survey-suggests-white-evangelicals-are-most-likely-to-believe-qanon-conspiracies/ https://afterall.net/quotes/bonnie-kristian-on-the-false-prophecies-of-q/ -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Kait- @kaitdugan Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:16:56
February 16, 2021
The 'Fun' of Fundamentalism: Author Christy Rood on Fundamentalism and Identity
Author Christy Rood comes on the podcast to discuss her faith story involving fundamentalism and her book on identity "Tracing the Threads: Examining the Story of Self for Lasting Change".  We discuss the different strands of fundamentalism and talk about how Evangelicals approach identity. Pick up a copy of her book here:  https://gcdiscipleship.com/books/tracing-the-thread Mentioned on the podcast: -Phil Vischer's video on "what is Evangelicalism?":  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiiRnO7UTTk -Phil Vischer podcast (with Phil Vischer) explaining the difference between Bob Jones-style fundamentalism and Billy Graham-style Evangelical.  https://philvischer.com/the-phil-vischer-podcast/episode-71-phils-great-uncle-iner-origins-of-evangelicalism-and-louis-cks-musings-on-emptiness/ -Patch the Pirate video (Sample) found here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8tAmbRxfwM -Book:  "Mindset:  The New Psychology of Success" by Carol Dweck, PH.D.  Order here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/44330/mindset-by-carol-s-dweck-phd/ -Film:  "Soul" from Pixar Studios.  Watch the trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs--6c7Hn_A -Check out Zach's music by going to:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/album/the-darkest-time-of-year -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Christy- @christyrood Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:14:59
February 9, 2021
"I'll Fire Your Butt" Dave Ramsey's Empire and the Demonic Danger of Christian Ventroliquism
Zach and Dave chat about Dave Ramsey's financial guru empire that grew out of the Evangelical Church with a syncretistic blend of faith and American capitalism.  Also Zach shares a warning about the inherent demonic danger of Christian ventriloquial performance. On Ventriloquism: -Liberty Gospel Tracts - "What does the Bible say about ventriloquism?" - http://www.libertygospeltracts.com/question/prequest/ventriloquism.htm?fbclid=IwAR0iBlt5vDPhjhghnVNXFVisXy1NXc1FMIYFAd2-XvKq-YCyo3CqpmBZvxE Articles on Dave Ramsey mentioned or used as source material on the pod: -Matthew Paul Turner on Dave Ramsey "Spies, Cash and Fear:  Inside Christian Money Guru Dave Ramsey's Social Media Witch Hunt"  https://www.thedailybeast.com/spies-cash-and-fear-inside-christian-money-guru-dave-ramseys-social-media-witch-hunt -Bob Smietana's article, "Is Dave Ramsey's Empire the Best Place to Work in America?  Say 'No' and You're Out".  https://religionnews.com/2021/01/15/dave-ramsey-is-tired-of-being-called-a-jerk-for-his-stands-on-sex-and-covid/ -Dave Ramsey's full emailed response (through his public relations arm) to Bob Smietana's article:  https://religionnews.com/2021/01/15/full-ramsey-solutions-response/ -Article:  "The Gospel According to Dave" https://archive.is/9oIiJ -Article:  "Dave Ramsey Offers Powerful, Biblically Sound Response to Criticism over his Multi-Million Dollar Home". https://web.archive.org/web/20160306021332/http://www.gospelherald.com/articles/54676/20150310/dave-ramsey-offers-powerful-biblically-sound-response-to-criticism-over-his-multi-million-dollar-home.htm Zach's music can be experienced at https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:19:34
February 2, 2021
Toque and Nail: Joel Heng Hartse on Christian Indie Music and Canadian Evangelicalism
Author and Professor (at Simon Fraser University) Joel Heng Hartse joins the pod to talk about the world of Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) with highlights into the indie CCM music scene in the 1990s when many of us came of age.  We also discuss the differences between Canadian Evangelicalism and American Evangelicalism. Joel is the author of "Sects, Love and Rock & Roll: My Life on Record (Experiences in Evangelicalism)" which you can get a copy of here: https://wipfandstock.com/sects-love-and-rock-roll.html.  His work has also been featured in Image, Christianity Today, Beliefnet, Paste, Christ & Pop Culture and The Stranger. ***Note: In a discussion about former pastor and author Joshua Harris, Dave stated that Harris was the pastor of Sovereign Grace Church.  In fact, Harris is the former pastor of Covenant Life Church which was the founding church of Sovereign Grace Ministries.  Dave regrets the error. Christian Bands mentioned on the pod: Sixpence None the Richer PFR (Pray for Rain) Poor Old Lu (Aaron Sprinkle) Five Iron Frenzy The OC Supertones dc Talk Newsboys Audio Adrenaline Amy Grant Michael W Smith Jars of Clay Switchfoot Pedro the Lion (David Bazan) The Kry The Insiderz Toby Mac Kevin Max Carman Some of Joel's favorite albums: The Prayer Chain:  Mercury MewithoutYou:  Brother, Sister The Lonely Forest:  Nuclear Winter Zach's music can be experienced at https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Joel- @joelhenghartse Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:27:02
January 26, 2021
Rethinking Hell: Chris Date and Nate Jacobson (SEASON ONE FINALE)
Adjunct professor of Bible and Theology at Trinity College Chris Date and Nate Jacobson join the pod to talk about the Evangelical belief in the negative hereafter.  An eternal Hell where unbelievers are tortured forever is a common belief in Evangelical circles but does the Bible actually teach about eternal conscious torment in a fiery pit? ______________________________ Check out Chris Date's website:  rethinkinghell.com and theopologetics.com. You can get a copy of Chris Date's book (with Phil Fernandes):  "Is Hell Forever:  Does the Bible Teach that Hell will be Annihilation or Eternal Torment?" For more information on the topic, check out:  "The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of the Doctrine of Final Punishment" by Edward William Fudge Check out Nate Jacobson's writing and reflections:  https://afterall.net/ ______________________________ Mentioned on the Pod: Book:  "Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived" by Rob Bell.  Order here:  https://bookoutlet.com/Store/Details/9780062049650B?source=ppc&ppc_campaign=u1407004000&gclid=CjwKCAiAq8f-BRBtEiwAGr3DgZttOGur2O0_TbS2-Cje58x9pTQvis5hyRat-9BdgKAjPy3luw7aLBoCwzgQAvD_BwE Book:  "The Divine Conspiracy: Rediscovering Our Hidden Life in God" by Dallas Willard.  Order here:  https://www.christianbook.com/the-divine-conspiracy-dallas-willard/9780060693336/pd/69333?en=google&event=SHOP&kw=christian-living-0-20%7C69333&p=1179710&dv=c&gclid=CjwKCAiAq8f-BRBtEiwAGr3DgV9iEiUtyHsE94-5KvbkW_c70pO24dgoQZiMLhluSe2hqV05Akc_mxoCku0QAvD_BwE Zach's music can be experienced at https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Chris- @datechris Nate- @afterall_net Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:28:19
December 15, 2020
The Mars Hill Church Episode: Interview with Author and Professor Jessica Johnson
Jessica Johnson, a professor (at William and Mary College) and author of "Biblical Porn:  Affect, Labor and Pastor Mark Driscoll's Evangelical Empire", joins the pod to talk about her anthropology work at Mars Hill Church in Seattle (from 2006-2008) which resulted in the definitive book about that megachurch.  Zach and Dave have shared their stories about being a part of Mars Hill Church in past episodes so this is an exploration of the megachurch's history, teachings and culture.  Jessica also shares about her current work on Jerry Falwell Jr and explains her developing thoughts on the culture war. Mentioned on the pod: Book:  "Biblical Porn: Affect, Labor and Pastor Mark Driscoll's Evangelical Empire" by Jessica Johnson.  Order here: 00:53:50.793 Zach.23 6 00:40:37.942 Article:  "The Self-Radicalization of White Men: 'Fake News' and Affective Networking of Paranoia" by Jessica Johnson.  Read here: https://www.academia.edu/36332026/The_Self_Radicalization_of_White_Men_Fake_News_and_the_Affective_Networking_of_Paranoia Article:  "Porn Again Christian?  Mark Driscoll, Mars Hill Church, and the Pornification of the Pulpit" by Jessica Johnson.  Read here:  https://www.academia.edu/12465355/Porn_Again_Christian_Mark_Driscoll_Mars_Hill_Church_and_the_Pornification_of_the_Pulpit Article:  "Trolling on Mission to Save a 'Pussified Nation'" by Jessica Johnson.  Read here: https://www.academia.edu/12474361/Trolling_on_Mission_to_Save_a_Pussified_Nation_Society_for_the_Social_Scientific_Study_of_Religion_2015_Paper_Abstract_accepted_ Article:  "Review of Jessica Johnson, Biblical Porn: Affect, Labor and Pastor Mark Driscoll's Evangelical Empire" by Greg Carey.  Read here: https://www.bibleandcriticaltheory.com/issues/vol-15-no-2-2019-bible-and-critical-theory/review-of-jessica-johnson-biblical-porn-affect-labor-and-pastor-mark-driscolls-evangelical-empire/ Article on "Pussified Nation":  "Inside Mark Driscoll's Disturbed Mind" by Rachel Held Evans.  Read here: https://rachelheldevans.com/blog/driscoll-troubled-mind-william-wallace Website on Mars Hill Church:  Joyful Exiles.  https://joyfulexiles.com/ Blog:  "Hello, my name is Mike, I'm a Recovering True Believer" by Mike Anderson:  http://mikeyanderson.com/hello-name-mike-im-recovering-true-believer Blog:  "It's All About Mark Driscoll:  The Tragedy of Mars Hill Church" by Dave Lester:  https://dangeroushope.wordpress.com/2014/03/28/its-all-about-mark-driscoll-the-tragedy-of-mars-hill-church/ -Purchase a vinyl copy of Zach Malm's Christmas album "The Darkest Night of the Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/album/the-darkest-time-of-year -Zach has created a new mix of Christmas music.  40 tracks and over an hour and a half.  Download the music here:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CbencqOQ4ti_r6jVjbiKloZpe9GmbEI7/view?fbclid=IwAR0xwEBkzLPgyJMBbisCN3FBcHzIii4a1ADSsmA2_1SQ1X7xr29cvLxSMSg -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:35:56
December 8, 2020
BONUS EPISODE: VCW Interviewed by Non-Partisan Evangelical Podcast
Zach and Dave were interviewed by Paul Swearengin of the "Non-Partisan Evangelical" Podcast.  This was recorded the night before our very first episode launched.  Thank you to Paul for having us on!  The conversation is in regards to the current status of the Evangelical church and what we think the future holds for this branch of American Christianity. __________________________________ -Check out the Non-Partisan Evangelical website here which includes podcasts, YouTube videos and more:  https://nonpartisanevangelical.com/ -You can get a copy of Paul Swearengin's debut novel:  "Joseph Comes to Town" by going here:  https://nonpartisanevangelical.com/joseph-comes-to-town-book/ Mentioned on the Pod: "Letters from a Birmingham Jail" by Martin Luther King Jr.  Read here:  https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/letter-birmingham-jail -Make sure you get your copy of Zach Malm's "The Darkest TIme of Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ -Check out music videos for some of the songs on "The Darkest Time of Year" by going to Zach's music channel on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw2vlOs1iwoKxuvt8eCGD9g?reload=9 -Zach has created a new mix of Christmas music.  40 tracks and over an hour and a half.  Download the music here:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CbencqOQ4ti_r6jVjbiKloZpe9GmbEI7/view?fbclid=IwAR0xwEBkzLPgyJMBbisCN3FBcHzIii4a1ADSsmA2_1SQ1X7xr29cvLxSMSg -Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Paul- @pswearenginNPE Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo done by Zach Malm
01:01:33
December 4, 2020
The Darkest Time of Year: Christmas Music for the Trump Era
This episode is dedicated to the memory of Jeremy Cooper. Zach has a Christmas record out on vinyl!  Dave interviews his co-host about his Christmas album while chatting about how Evangelicals approach Christmas, how the message of Christmas is the opposite of the pursuit of political power and Zach's influences in recording his album.   Make sure you get your copy of Zach Malm's "The Darkest TIme of Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/album/the-darkest-time-of-year Check out music videos for some of the songs on "The Darkest Time of Year" by going to Zach's music channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw2vlOs1iwoKxuvt8eCGD9g?reload=9 Zach has made a new mix of Christmas music. 40 tracks, over an hour and a half. Download it here, and happy listening!   https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CbencqOQ4ti_r6jVjbiKloZpe9GmbEI7/view?fbclid=IwAR1xi1UNXD5usqjgjbHWcC5L45nWHWIuGgblpyBxhdvOqebiTvSJpp__l_U Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm Other music sampled on this podcast that you should check out: Cooper & Yates- Original Christmas music album written and recorded by Jeremy Cooper and Eric Yates in Seattle, WA between the months of October and December 2015.  cooperyates.bandcamp.com. Parenthetical Girls- Christmas music album.  Released November 26, 2010.  parentheticalgirls.bandcamp.com FIgures by Figures- released January 18, 2017.  figuresfigures.bandcamp.com CORRECTION:  In the discussion, Dave openly asks about the Baptist pastor who wrote "Twas the Night Before Christmas."  This was not written by a Baptist pastor.  The author of the famous poem is credited as Clement Clarke Moore, an Episcopalian as well as a writer and professor.  The poem first appeared on December 23, 1823 in the newspaper with no name attached.  There is controversy over authorship as the family of Henry Livingston, Jr claimed that their father had recited to them the poem 15 years before it was published in the paper.
01:06:41
December 1, 2020
Ambiguous Grief and Faith with Stephanie Drury
Stephanie Drury, from Stuff Christian Culture Likes, joins the pod to talk about ambiguous grief, her love of high church Catholicism mixed with charismatic Christianity, the November 3rd election, Henri Nouwen and more. Find Stephanie: Twitter:  @Stuffcclikes Facebook:  Stuff Christian Culture Likes Website:  www.stuffchristianculturelikes.com Podcasts:  "Dongtini", "Hard Feelings" Some Podcasts where she was a guest on the show:  https://www.owltail.com/people/yNFHA-stephanie-drury/appearances Mentioned on the Podcast: Article:  Sara Billups opinion piece in the New York Times:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/opinion/trump-evangelicals.html Article:  Mere Orthodoxy on "The Five Stages of Evangelical Grief" by Brian Mesimer:  https://mereorthodoxy.com/five-stages-evangelical-grief/ Book:  "The Screwtape. Letters: Letters from a Senior to a Junior Devil" by CS Lewis.  Order here:  https://www.cslewis.com/uk/books/paperback/the-screwtape-letters-letters-from-a-senior-to-a-junior-devil-c-s-lewis-signature-classic/9780007461240/ Book:  "The Inner Voice of Love" by Henri JM Nouwen.  Order here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/122879/the-inner-voice-of-love-by-henri-jm-nouwen/ -Make sure you get your copy of Zach Malm's "The Darkest TIme of Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ -Check out music videos for some of the songs on "The Darkest Time of Year" by going to Zach's music channel on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw2vlOs1iwoKxuvt8eCGD9g?reload=9 -Zach has created a new mix of Christmas music.  40 tracks and over an hour and a half.  Download the music here:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CbencqOQ4ti_r6jVjbiKloZpe9GmbEI7/view?fbclid=IwAR0xwEBkzLPgyJMBbisCN3FBcHzIii4a1ADSsmA2_1SQ1X7xr29cvLxSMSg -Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Stephanie- @stuffcclikes Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo done by Zach Malm
01:03:03
November 24, 2020
Queer Theology: Interview with Shannon Kearns
Writer and playwright Shannon Kearns talks to Zach and Dave about his story as a transgender Christian coming out of a more conservative upbringing.  Transgender theology is discussed as well as queer theology which Shannon helped co-found with Brian G. Murphy.  Shannon is currently writing a book for Eerdman's Publishing.  Be on the lookout for that in the next year or so. Follow Shannon Kearns on his Facebook page:  https://www.facebook.com/shannontlkearns/ Visit Queer Theology by going to:  https://www.queertheology.com/listen/ Check out Uprising Theater Company at:  https://www.uprisingtheatreco.com/ Mentioned on the podcast: Book:  Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity by Bruce Bawer.  Order here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/9840/stealing-jesus-by-bruce-bawer-author-of-a-place-at-the-table/ Book:  Transforming: The Bible and the Lives of Transgender Christians by Austin Hartke.  Order here: http://austenhartke.com/book Book:  Otherwise Christian: A Guide for Transgender Liberation by Chris Paige.  Order here:  https://otherwisechristian.com/books/ Book:  Radical Love: An Introduction to Queer Theology by Patrick Cheng.  Order here:  https://www.churchpublishing.org/radicallove Book:  Queer Virtue: What LGBTQ Know About Life and Love and How It Can Revitalize Christianity by Reverend Elizabeth M. Edman.  Order here:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/529950/queer-virtue-by-the-reverend-elizabeth-m-edman/ Book:  Is the Homosexual my Neighbor?  By Letha Dawson Scanzoni and Virginia Ramey Mollenkott Book:  A Theology of Liberation:  History, Politics and Salvation by Gustavo Gutierrez.  Order here:  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0171804/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 Book:  A Black Theology of Liberation by Dr. James Cone.  Order here:  https://www.orbisbooks.com/a-black-theology-of-liberation.html TV Show:  "Pose".  From FX.  Watch a trailer here:  https://www.imdb.com/video/vi1441774617?playlistId=tt7562112&ref_=tt_ov_vi Documentary:  "Disclosure".   Streaming on Netflix.  Watch a trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eF4m5AJhpA Film:  "Boys Don't Cry".  Information and movie trailer here:  https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0171804/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 Make sure you get your copy of Zach Malm's "The Darkest TIme of Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ Check out music videos for some of the songs on "The Darkest Time of Year" by going to Zach's music channel on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw2vlOs1iwoKxuvt8eCGD9g?reload=9 Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Shannon- @shannontlkearns Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo done by Zach Malm
01:10:01
November 17, 2020
Adventures in Odyssey and Ableism with Randall Chrisman
Dedicated to the memory of Paul Malm. Randall Chrisman joins Zach and Dave to discuss Ableism, his experiences in Evangelical Christianity, and his story of faith.  They also analyze an episode of Focus on the Family's "Adventures in Odyssey" which was co-written by Zach's dad, Paul Malm, back in the 1990s. Mentioned on the pod: Book:  "Companions in Suffering" by Wendy Alsup.  Order here:  https://www.lifeway.com/en/product/companions-in-suffering-P008013447 TV Show:  "Away"    Streaming on Netflix.  Trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f_REapPwio TV Show:  "Speechless" On ABC.   Learn more here:  https://www.vulture.com/2016/12/speechless-micah-fowler-interview.html Documentary:  "Crip Camp"  Streaming on Netflix.  Trailer here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRrIs22plz0 TV Show:  "Crip Tales"  On AMC Plus.   Learn more here:  https://disabilityinsider.com/2020/09/21/misc/bbc-americas-crip-tales-features-the-talent-of-people-with-disabilities/ Make sure you get your copy of Zach Malm's "The Darkest TIme of Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/ Check out music videos for some of the songs on "The Darkest Time of Year" by going to Zach's music channel on YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCw2vlOs1iwoKxuvt8eCGD9g?reload=9 Dave occasionally blogs at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com Twitter: Zach -  @muzach Dave- @davejlester Randall- @writerrand Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Music on podcast by Zach Malm Logo done by Zach Malm
01:06:20
November 10, 2020
Focus on the Dobson
Zach and Dave analyze the October newsletter sent out by Dr. James Dobson, one of the most prominent members of the Religious Right and founder of Focus on the Family who is supporting Donald Trump for president again.  We also talk about other Evangelicals supporting the Donald and preach a mini sermon about Christianity and political power. Mentioned on the show: Alissa Wilkinson on the Columbine tragedy:  https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/4/20/15369442/columbine-anniversary-cassie-bernall-rachel-scott-martyrdom Dare to Discipline by Dr. James Dobson Preparing for Adolescence by Dr. James Dobson Purchase a vinyl copy of Zach Malm's Christmas album "The Darkest Night of the Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/album/the-darkest-time-of-year Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
44:14
November 3, 2020
Wayne Grudem's Systematic Trumpology
Zach and Dave discuss Donald John Trump's relationship with Evangelicals via a letter supporting his re-election written by Dr. Wayne Grudem on Townhall.com.  Note: This is not the recent letter that Grudem wrote responding to former Pastor John Piper's thoughts on the election as we recorded this episode before Grudem wrote his most recent piece.  Here is the Piper article which was written after we recorded this episode:  https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/policies-persons-and-paths-to-ruin Mentioned on the show: Article, featuring a survey, on Evangelicals and morality in public leaders.  https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2016/10/19/has-trump-caused-white-evangelicals-to-change-their-tune-on-morality/ Systematic Theology by Wayne Grudem Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood by John Piper and Wayne Grudem (Dave made an error on the show calling this book "Rediscovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood".) Purchase a vinyl copy of Zach Malm's Christmas album "The Darkest Night of the Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/album/the-darkest-time-of-year Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:15:54
November 2, 2020
Cassettes and Testimonies: The Origin stories
Zach and Dave share their testimonies related to their experiences in Evangelical Christianity.   Purchase a vinyl copy of Zach Malm's Christmas album "The Darkest Night of the Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/album/the-darkest-time-of-year Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Podcast music by Zach Malm Logo by Zach Malm
01:07:13
October 29, 2020
In the Beginning...Defining Evangelicalism
Zach and Dave discuss the definition of Evangelicalism in the inaugural episode of the Evangelical explainer podcast.  They also discuss their experiences with Halloween related to the faith growing up. -Mentioned on the show:   Jonathan Merritt's "The Atlantic Article from December 7, 2015 entitled "Defining Evangelical":  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/evangelical-christian/418236/ "The Myth of Certainty:  The Reflective Christian and the Risk of Commitment" by Daniel Taylor.  Order a copy here:  https://www.ivpress.com/the-myth-of-certainty -Purchase a vinyl copy of Zach Malm's Christmas album "The Darkest Night of the Year" by going here:  https://muzach.bandcamp.com/album/the-darkest-time-of-year -Read Dave's occasional blogging at:  www.dangeroushope.wordpress.com. Twitter: Zach- @muzach Dave- @Davejlester Email: vocwpod@gmail.com Podcast music by Zach Malm Special Thanks to Paul Swearengin with "The Non-Partisan Evangelical" Podcast.  Look for Zach and Dave's interview on his show soon in the feed.
42:06
October 27, 2020