Skip to main content
We're Just Doing Us

We're Just Doing Us

By Abu Okari

Conversating with Africa's adventurers and builders.
Available on
Apple Podcasts Logo
Google Podcasts Logo
Overcast Logo
Pocket Casts Logo
RadioPublic Logo
Spotify Logo
Currently playing episode

#02 Chao Tayiana: History as a Verb

We're Just Doing UsAug 02, 2021

00:00
57:31
#02 Chao Tayiana: History as a Verb

#02 Chao Tayiana: History as a Verb

“History (for me) is a verb: I history, you history, we history.”

- Chao Tayiana


  • The railway and how it became more than it was intended
  • How there is a lot of power in understanding what the railway became (an essential part of Kenyan lives)  as opposed to just focusing on what it was intended for
  • The railway as a great connector, both in life and death
  • A citizens’ approach to the concept of the Museum and colonialism
  • Why participation is key
  • Re-evaluating the concept of the Museum
  • “I didn’t like the idea of history being taught in a passive way”
  • The cool thing about oral history - once you learn something, it becomes your responsibility.
  • How so much was lost - we need more than 3x the effort it took to destroy African culture/history to recover some of the lost bits
  • What we lost once we put history in glass cases, boxes, and buildings
  • Why building methods that are designed for us is crucial
  • The pipeline during the Mau Mau uprising
  • Origin of the current idea of a museum - institutions that completely excluded Africans
  • Why Europeans took artifacts from Africa
  • How African children related to culture while growing up
  • The experience of having a fellow tribesperson/country person tell you how you are “so African”
  • Tracking the conversation around stolen African artifacts in European museums
  • Changing the articulation/language on African artifacts in European museums - it is critical that we centre Africans in these conversations
  • The sack of Benin city
  • African artifacts in European museums
  • Restitution is much more than objects

Important Links:

Chao Tayiana

African Digital Heritage

Museum of British Colonialism

The Train to Uhuru by Carey Baraka

Africa’s Looted Art - A DW documentary

Aug 02, 202157:31
#01 Leo Korir: Consultancy as a Lab

#01 Leo Korir: Consultancy as a Lab

Leo and I talk about the upside to failing, why it is currently "easier" for a math major to master software engineering, the power of your gut, and how the consultancy model is a great way to learn at someone else's cost. 

Jun 04, 202046:49