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On The Edge

By We Are Liminal

On The Edge is a podcast all about making unexpected connections. It features conversations with people who are living and working on the boundaries of organisations and places, and who see the world a little differently. Hosted by compulsive connector Roland Harwood from Liminal.

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#032 Geoffrey West - The Universal Laws of Scaling

On The Edge Jun 15, 2021

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#050 Alyssa Gilbert - Undaunted

#050 Alyssa Gilbert - Undaunted

Alyssa Gilbert is Director of Undaunted which is a community of creative, proactive people exploring how innovation can help humans tackle climate change. She is also the Director of Innovation at the Grantham Institute which was established in 2007 to provide a vital global centre of excellence for research and education on climate change. Today, the Grantham Institute is established as a leading authority on climate and environmental science. She is an all round expert on environmental and climate change policy and science having worked in the field in numerous roles and several countries for over 20 years.

In this conversation we talked about:

  1. Building open innovation Infrastructure for the climate ecosystem 
  2. Finding and scaling silver bullets and business models for climate innovation
  3. Cities and places as serendipity engines 
  4. Where could and should climate leadership come from? 

Highlights include:

  • Why she is not getting angry about the net zero backtracking where the object is to divide people and the solution is not to be divided.
  • The role of place in driving climate innovation as part of a global supercluster of talent and technology.
  • That it's great to care but you cannot take the world upon your shoulders - everyone has a role to play in addressing the climate emergency.

This podcast was produced by Liminal - a collective intelligence community. Thanks to all of our community members, clients, partners and patrons. Here are links to some of the things we discussed.

Thanks for listening. Check out and buy the On The Edge book here.

Sep 26, 202332:57
#049 Chapter 3 - Into The Unknown

#049 Chapter 3 - Into The Unknown

Welcome to On The Edge, a podcast and now also a book, about making unexpected connections everywhere and anywhere.

Why should you embrace uncertainty as an opportunity not a threat?
How can you connect people and ideas to engineer serendipity?
Where should you start when embarking on a transition to something new?

On The Edge will be your guide to navigating uncertainty based upon the experiences of a diverse group of creative and entrepreneurial people and organizations who have learned how to survive and thrive in our increasingly connected world, and is available to buy now as a book or ebook. What are you on the edge of right now?
In this episode I read Chapter 3 called Into the Unknown. Enjoy.
If you enjoy it then please consider buying a copy and giving both the book and the podcast a good review or rating, as that really helps get it out to new people. Others have described the book as:
“A beautiful little book.” Tessy Britton
“Succinct and insightful.” Dave Snowden
“Realistic and wise.” Margaret Heffernan
"A thoughtful meditation on how to navigate uncertain futures.” Anab Jain
“An inspiring and orienting tapestry.” Cassie Robinson
“Inspirational from the very first page.” Johnnie Moore
“This is a great little book.” Jon Alexander
“It’s wonderful! I have goosebumps." Noelle Dye
“Read this book and take its insights to heart.” Rob Poynton
"An inspiring and practical guide.” Ella Goldner
This podcast was brought to you by Liminal. To find out more please visit
www.weareliminal.co/ontheedge.
Apr 05, 202307:34
#048 Chapter 2 - This is Happening

#048 Chapter 2 - This is Happening

Welcome to On The Edge, a podcast and now also a book, about making unexpected connections everywhere and anywhere.

Why should you embrace uncertainty as an opportunity not a threat?
How can you connect people and ideas to engineer serendipity?
Where should you start when embarking on a transition to something new?

On The Edge will be your guide to navigating uncertainty based upon the experiences of a diverse group of creative and entrepreneurial people and organizations who have learned how to survive and thrive in our increasingly connected world, and is available to buy now as a book or ebook. What are you on the edge of right now?
In this episode I read Chapter 2 called This is Happening. Enjoy.
If you enjoy it then please consider buying a copy and giving both the book and the podcast a good review or rating, as that really helps get it out to new people. Others have described the book as:
“A beautiful little book.” Tessy Britton
“Succinct and insightful.” Dave Snowden
“Realistic and wise.” Margaret Heffernan
"A thoughtful meditation on how to navigate uncertain futures.” Anab Jain
“An inspiring and orienting tapestry.” Cassie Robinson
“Inspirational from the very first page.” Johnnie Moore
“This is a great little book.” Jon Alexander
“It’s wonderful! I have goosebumps." Noelle Dye
“Read this book and take its insights to heart.” Rob Poynton
"An inspiring and practical guide.” Ella Goldner
This podcast was brought to you by Liminal. To find out more please visit
www.weareliminal.co/ontheedge.
Mar 30, 202307:59
#047 Chapter 1 - Start at the End

#047 Chapter 1 - Start at the End

Welcome to On The Edge, a podcast and now also a book, about making unexpected connections everywhere and anywhere.

Why should you embrace uncertainty as an opportunity not a threat?
How can you connect people and ideas to engineer serendipity?
Where should you start when embarking on a transition to something new?

On The Edge will be your guide to navigating uncertainty based upon the experiences of a diverse group of creative and entrepreneurial people and organizations who have learned how to survive and thrive in our increasingly connected world, and is available to buy now as a book or ebook. What are you on the edge of right now?
In this episode I read Chapter 1 called Start at the End. Enjoy.
If you enjoy it then please consider buying a copy and giving both the book and the podcast a good review or rating, as that really helps get it out to new people. Others have described the book as:
“A beautiful little book.” Tessy Britton
“Succinct and insightful.” Dave Snowden
“Realistic and wise.” Margaret Heffernan
"A thoughtful meditation on how to navigate uncertain futures.” Anab Jain
“An inspiring and orienting tapestry.” Cassie Robinson
“Inspirational from the very first page.” Johnnie Moore
“This is a great little book.” Jon Alexander
“It’s wonderful! I have goosebumps." Noelle Dye
“Read this book and take its insights to heart.” Rob Poynton
"An inspiring and practical guide.” Ella Goldner
This podcast was brought to you by Liminal. To find out more please visit
www.weareliminal.co/ontheedge.
Mar 22, 202306:13
#046 Introduction - The Future is Fluid

#046 Introduction - The Future is Fluid

Welcome to On The Edge, a podcast and now also a book, about making unexpected connections everywhere and anywhere. 

Why should you embrace uncertainty as an opportunity not a threat? 

How can you connect people and ideas to engineer serendipity? 

Where should you start when embarking on a transition to something new? 

On The Edge will be your guide to navigating uncertainty based upon the experiences of a diverse group of creative and entrepreneurial people and organizations who have learned how to survive and thrive in our increasingly connected world, and is available to buy now as a book or ebook. What are you on the edge of right now? 

In this episode I read the Introduction called The Future is Fluid. Enjoy. If you enjoy it then please consider buying a copy and giving both the book and the podcast a good review or rating, as that really helps get it out to new people. Others have described the book as: 

“A beautiful little book.” Tessy Britton 

“Succinct and insightful.” Dave Snowden 

“Realistic and wise.” Margaret Heffernan 

"A thoughtful meditation on how to navigate uncertain futures.” Anab Jain 

“An inspiring and orienting tapestry.” Cassie Robinson 

“Inspirational from the very first page.” Johnnie Moore 

“This is a great little book.” Jon Alexander 

“It’s wonderful! I have goosebumps." Noelle Dye 

“Read this book and take its insights to heart.” Rob Poynton 

"An inspiring and practical guide.” Ella Goldner 

This podcast was brought to you by Liminal. To find out more please visit www.weareliminal.co/ontheedge.

Mar 15, 202309:17
#045 Preface - Gradually, Then Suddenly

#045 Preface - Gradually, Then Suddenly

Welcome to On The Edge, a podcast and now also a book, about making unexpected connections everywhere and anywhere. 

  1. Why should you embrace uncertainty as an opportunity not a threat? 
  2. How can you connect people and ideas to engineer serendipity? 
  3. Where should you start when embarking on a transition to something new? 

On The Edge will be your guide to navigating uncertainty based upon the experiences of a diverse group of creative and entrepreneurial people and organizations who have learned how to survive and thrive in our increasingly connected world, and is available to buy now as a book or ebook. 

www.weareliminal.co/ontheedge

In this episode I read the Preface called Gradually, Then Suddenly. If you enjoy it then please consider buying a copy and giving both the book and the podcast a good review or rating, as that really helps get it out to new people. Others have described the book as: 

“A beautiful little book.” Tessy Britton 

“Succinct and insightful.” Dave Snowden 

“Realistic and wise.” Margaret Heffernan 

"A thoughtful meditation on how to navigate uncertain futures.” Anab Jain 

“An inspiring and orienting tapestry.” Cassie Robinson 

“Inspirational from the very first page.” Johnnie Moore 

“This is a great little book.” Jon Alexander 

“It’s wonderful! I have goosebumps." Noelle Dye 

“Read this book and take its insights to heart.” Rob Poynton

"An inspiring and practical guide.” Ella Goldner

What are you on the edge of right now? 

Mar 09, 202309:02
#044 Ella Goldner - Venture Builder

#044 Ella Goldner - Venture Builder

In this conversation I connected with Ella Goldner. Ella is a co-founder of Zinc - a fund that backs entrepreneurs, pre-team and pre-idea, to build new tech-enabled & mission-driven commercial ventures. She is also the co-founder of Alma Angels, a network that brings together new and existing angel investors who are committed to actively supporting female founders. In this conversation we talked about: The Zinc venture builder missions and how/why the best way to foster entrepreneurship in response to social challenges? How to mitigate the challenges of co-founder relationships, especially given that some people say that too much or too little co-founder conflict is the #1 cause of start up failure. A deep dive into the latest Zinc environment mission which just went live - to mobilise the climate innovation ecosystem through cross-sector collaboration and scale up capital, and shifting narrative from climate being (only) a big problem to (also) a huge opportunity. OpenCo/newCo? So I started out by asking her, What is a venture builder mission and who is it for? Enjoy! "The core components (of Zinc) are; can we get the talent to do that if we give them the right missions, can we build an ecosystem around them, an army of people who care about what they do and help them, and can we make that really powerful by underpinning with good research." "Every moment you hear the news (about climate) there is a reason to feel despair, so how do you turn that around and remind people of the opportunities and the covid an industry-led vaccine task force is a really good example of how to do that." "We want (Zinc) to be the best place in the world for anybody who wants to experiment and have impact at scale... if you are really talented and ambitious." https://www.zinc.vc/ https://apply.workable.com/zinc-ventures-limited/j/D79DBD1FC7/ https://www.zinc.vc/missions/environment/ https://gosupercritical.com/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1172206/ https://newco.co/ https://www.channel4.com/programmes/jabbed-inside-britains-vaccine-triumph https://www.weareliminal.co/
Jul 08, 202235:20
#043 Shiv Malik - Data Unions

#043 Shiv Malik - Data Unions

“How do you change the system to take longer term decisions without forcing people and using a government to do that, and the answer is you set up cooperatives and mutuals.” Shiv Malik

In this conversation I connected with Shiv Malik who is a technologist, broadcaster, author, former Guardian investigative journalist and co-founder of the Intergenerational Foundation think tank. He is also author of several books - The Messenger and Jilted Generation. He joined the Web3 space in 2017 with Golem and then Streamr. In 2021 he co-founded Pool and currently leads the organization on its mission to bring Data Unions to the world and ensure people have control of their data and a genuine stake in the digital economy.

In this conversation we talked about web3 and data unions and why are they are important, building upon his background as an investigative journalist.

"We all need to have that stake in the future and be able to leverage that."

https://www.pooldata.io/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiv_Malik

https://www.faber.co.uk/author/shiv-malik/

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/shiv-malik

https://www.weareliminal.co/

Jun 24, 202242:54
#042 Sonja Blignaut - Crossing Thresholds

#042 Sonja Blignaut - Crossing Thresholds

In this conversation I connected with Sonja Blignaut. 

Originally a meteorologist, Sonja now partners with people who need to navigate, make sense of, and lead in uncertainty. She spans the boundaries of leadership, organisational development & change, strategy, risk, innovation, and marketing. In short, she works wherever there is complexity, which nowadays is more or less everywhere. 

Sonja is internationally recognised as an expert on Complexity, the Cynefin Framework, Waysfinding, and Complexity Fitness. She is certified in various individual and systemic coaching methods and a sought-after speaker, with experience at various conferences locally and internationally, including TedX. 

In this conversation we talked about crossing thresholds and the skills, capabilities, rituals, and mindsets are required to navigate transitions well?- inspired by this blog post that she shared recently that I’ll link to in the show notes. That post starts with the following quote by John O’Donohue:  

“At any time you can ask yourself: At which threshold am I now standing? At this time in my life, what am I leaving? Where am I about to enter? What is preventing me from crossing my next threshold? What gift would enable me to do it?” 

So I started out by asking her, at what threshold she is now standing and how it makes her feel? Enjoy! 

____ 

- The space of not knowing is where the growth happens 

- The hardest conversations we are avoiding the most are the ones with ourselves 

- The value of rituals in transitions and the need for containment  

- How much of my own life am I putting off until someday? 

- The time has come to cross - don’t let your life flow by without noticing 

https://complexityfit.com/sonja-blignaut/ 

https://sonjablignaut.medium.com/crossing-thresholds-a109d1b2d392 

https://www.weareliminal.co

May 03, 202239:50
#041 Nick Hare - New World O?der

#041 Nick Hare - New World O?der

In this conversation I connected with Nick Hare, founder of Aleph Insights - an analytics consultancy that specialises in supporting strategic decision-making for both business and government in defence, security, intelligence and international affairs.

Prior to establishing Aleph Insights, he worked in various roles across the Ministry of Defence, the Cabinet Office and the intelligence community, most recently within Defence Intelligence, where he was responsible for professionalising intelligence analysis."

I first met Nick via an old school friend and have gone on to work with him a few times over the last decade.

In this conversation - recorded on 1st April 2022 - we talked about the current war in Ukraine. In particular we talked about: What can we learn about analysis and decision making from such turbulent times? And is there a new world order emerging, and if so are are some of the possible future scenarios?

So I started out by asking him, how has the war in Ukraine affected him personally, and also whether he agrees that we are past a point of no return? Enjoy!

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-hare-a7b12161/ 

https://alephinsights.com/

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/cognitive-engineering/id1142986387

https://twitter.com/AlephInsights

https://www.weareliminal.co/

Apr 02, 202240:22
#040 Jon Alexander - Citizens

#040 Jon Alexander - Citizens

In this conversation I connected with Jon Alexander who is the author of a new book called Citizens. 

Jon started his career working in the advertising industry, selling some of the world's biggest brands, and winning plenty of awards along the way. Then he realised he was caught up in a story he didn't believe in: The Consumer Story.

So in 2014, Jon co-founded the New Citizenship Project. Their mission was to figure out how to use their skills not just to sell stuff to Consumers, but to involve people in the decisions that affect their lives as Citizens, working with the likes of the Co-op, Body Shop, National Trust, BBC, and European Central Bank.

In this conversation we talked about:

  • A brief history of humanity from people as subjects to consumers to citizens.
  • How the citizen story is different to some of the progressive stories and ideas that have preceded it?
  • How the pandemic has shifted the role and power of people, governments and corporations?
  • How we can’t have paradigm shift without a paradigm to shift to.
  • The story of vTaiwan and Taiwan in 2014.
  • The idea of social acupuncture.

So I started out by asking him, what is the citizen story, and why is it important right now? Enjoy!

https://www.jonalexander.net/

https://www.newcitizenship.org.uk/

https://www.weareliminal.co/

http://www.participatorycity.org/

https://anchor.fm/weareliminal/episodes/004-Participatory-Cities---Tessy-Britton-e57bok

https://info.vtaiwan.tw/

Please Note: In this conversation we talked about several examples including Participatory Cities (of which I am a trustee) and Tessy Britton (who I interviewed way back in episode 4 of this podcast) - links above. Also Jon and I were introduced recently thanks to Francine Bennet so many thanks to Fran for the introduction.

Feb 08, 202233:11
#039 Anab Jain - Curating the Future
Jan 25, 202238:00
#038 Dilbagh Gill - Race to Zero
Jan 14, 202235:08
#037 Gurjit Singh Lalli - Make or Break

#037 Gurjit Singh Lalli - Make or Break

Nov 04, 202120:26
#036 Sue Black - Tech for Good
Oct 19, 202141:53
#035 Michael Garfield - The Purpose of Polymaths
Sep 24, 202130:02
#034 Sharath Jeevan - Intrinsic
Sep 03, 202140:21
#033 Jeremy Lent - Patterns of Meaning

#033 Jeremy Lent - Patterns of Meaning

In this conversation I connected with Jeremy Lent who describes himself as an author and integrator and “one of the greatest thinkers of our age”, according to George Monbiot.
Born in the UK and based for many years in the US, and now lives Berkeley California. His previous book The Patterning Instinct was about deeper patterns of political and cultural developments.
This conversation was based upon his new book called 'The Web of Meaning' which is all about integrating science and traditional wisdom.
He is also the founder of the nonprofit Liology Institute. Liology is a word made up from the Chinese word “li,” which means “the organizing principles” and “ology” which is the Greek-derived word for “study.” So liology means “the study of the organizing principles.”
We (quite literally) talked about life, the universe and everything, including:

The difference between eastern and western perspectives, culture, language and thinking
The important distinction between the scientific method and reductionism
The fact that meaning is emergent and stems from the interconnection between things (and people)
The pros and cons of the rise of mindfulness and it’s alter-ego McMindfulness, especially in Silicon Valley
How we can embed these ideas in tackling the climate emergency

I loved what we said about:

The connection between things are as important if not more so than the things they are connecting
Life is a 4 billion year rebellion from entropy
The most dangerous technology in the world is the limited liability company
We need a universal declaration of natural rights

To find out more about Jeremy please visit:
www.jeremylent.com/
www.liology.org/
This podcast was produced by Liminal - a collective inteligence community that builds and scales net-zero ventures. Thanks for all of our community members, patrons and clients without whom this podcast would not be possible. To find out more about us please visit:
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Jul 16, 202149:06
#032 Geoffrey West - The Universal Laws of Scaling

#032 Geoffrey West - The Universal Laws of Scaling

In this conversation I connected with Geoffrey West who is a British theoretical physicist and former president and distinguished professor of the Santa Fe Institute the Santa Fe Institute is the world's leading research center for complex systems science. 


He is one of the leading scientists working on a scientific model of cities. Among other things, his work states that with the doubling of a city's size, salaries per capita will generally increase by 15%. West became a Stanford faculty member before he joined the particle theory group at New Mexico's Los Alamos National Laboratory. After Los Alamos, he became president of the Santa Fe Institute. 


He is author of a fantastic book called Scale - The Universal Laws of Life and Death in Organisms, Cities and Companies which formed the basis of this conversation and is highly recommended. West has since been honoured as one of Time magazine's Time 100. 


A more accurate title for this episode should be something like 'The Emergent Universal Laws and Economies of Scale, of Organisms, Cities, Companies, Countries and Communities - but that isn’t quite as catchy.' 


“There is regularity and that we are all part of it, in a beautiful and highly interconnected way, to the same sets of laws and principles, it does give a sense of purpose.” Geoffrey West 


We talked about: 


1. How are organisms, cities and companies similar and why are they subject to the same principles as they scale? 


2. Why do organisms and companies die but cities don’t? 


3. Are social networks the new cities? And what about countries? 


4. We also discussed the limits of his model of scaling and how it has affected his world view? We I started out by asking him How and why are all organisms similar in the way that they grow and scale? Enjoy.


https://www.ted.com/talks/geoffrey_west_the_surprising_math_of_cities_and_corporations/transcript 


https://medium.com/swlh/scale-a-book-summary-3d39d16321ef 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUAx445ReU 


https://www.santafe.edu/people/profile/geoffrey-west 


https://www.weareliminal.co/ 


#scale #scaling #growth #organisms #cities #companies #networks #complexity #emergence #connections #interconnected #fractals #universal #laws #principles #physics #biology #science #urban #collectiveintelligence #ontheedge #weareliminal

Jun 15, 202136:41
#031 Gemma Mortensen - New Constellations

#031 Gemma Mortensen - New Constellations

In this conversation I connected with Gemma Mortensen who is a social entrepreneur, who recently launched New Constellations to help people imagine and create a better, more beautiful future.
Prior to that she was Chief Global Officer at
Change.org - a platform where over 200 million people from around the world have start a petition for change
Prior to that CEO of Crisis Action - which works to protect civilians from armed conflict - and where she helped to create a fantastic handbook for Creative Coalitions.
She is also Co-Founder and Vice-Chair of More In Common - seeks to address the underlying drivers of polarization, and build more inclusive societies.
We talked about:

Creating a space to imaging a more beautiful future and the art of listening
The Silicon Valley world view and how to take collective responsibility for stewarding technology for good not ill
The need to reclaim hope and optimism and holding the fertile void where surprise is possible again
Being on the cusp of being able to tell new stories of the good life

I started out by asked her “How can we build creative coalitions"? Enjoy!
crisisaction.org/handbook/
www.change.org/
www.moreincommon.com/
newconstellations.co/
skoll.org/contributor/gemma-mortensen/
www.weareliminal.co
May 25, 202138:11
#030 Margaret Heffernan - Uncertainty Powers Change
May 11, 202149:01
#029 Jack Du Rose - Organisations for the Internet

#029 Jack Du Rose - Organisations for the Internet

In this conversation, I connected with Jack Du Rose who is cofounder of Colony, a decentralised autonomous organisation (DOA) which provides a platform for building organisations for the internet.
Previously, he was a self-taught jewellery designer, including producing Damien Hirst’s diamond-encrusted skull, For The Love of God.
I first connected with Jack a few years ago when I was running a company called 100%Open and we shared a fascination for all things open-source and distributed ways of working and organising.
We talked about a wide range of topics including:

If and how you can build trust and best work with people on the internet.
What decentralised autonomous organisations are and how are they different
Whether there a better system than meritocracy if you want to do good work.
The future of work post-pandemic and the impact it has had on Colony.
What to make of the hype around cryptocurrencies and non-fungible tokens.

So I started out by asking him, what are organisations for the internet and how are they different? Enjoy!
colony.io/
https://yearn.finance/
www.weareliminal.co/
“It’s a platform that allows people all over the world to build organisations together online without needing to know or trust each other. For communities or groups to raise funds and collectively manage towards some shared objective.” Jack Du Rose
#open #organisations #opensource #colony #decentralised #blockchain #ethereum #futureofwork #trust #DAO #crypto #cryptocurrency #NFTs #reputation #jewellery #hirst
May 04, 202147:15
#028 Hege Barnes - Green Innovation Nation

#028 Hege Barnes - Green Innovation Nation

In the latest episode of the On The Edge podcast I had a great conversation with Hege Barnes who finally answered the question - what’s the best thing since sliced bread?
Hege is Director at Innovation Norway, a government entity for building trade and industries of the future. She is based in New York and building the industries of the future between Norway, USA, Canada, and Brazil. She sits on the board of Nordic Innovation House-New York and the Norwegian American Chamber of Commerce. Also she spearheaded the hugely successful global marketing campaign for Disney’s Frozen, doubling the awareness and visitor growth for Norway from the American market.
I connected with her recently and was interested to speak with her bilateral innovation and explore which is the greenest innovation nation?
We talked about what the US can learn from Norway in terms of innovation and vice versa. We also explore how to design the transition towards a net-zero future. Lastly, we explore the need for collaboration as a small and ambitious country in an increasingly connected world.
So I started out by asking her, how are the US and Norway different when it comes to innovation? Enjoy.
www.linkedin.com/in/hegevbarnes/
www.innovasjonnorge.no/en/
This podcast is brought to you by Liminal - the collective intelligence community. IT's produced with the support of all of our patrons, clients, and members so many thanks to all of you for your support. To find out more please visit www.weareliminal.co/
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Until next time, please keep on connecting people and ideas. If you do, you never know what might happen. Thank you.
Apr 07, 202128:13
#027 Dhiraj Mukherjee - Surfing Crisis to Opportunity

#027 Dhiraj Mukherjee - Surfing Crisis to Opportunity

In this conversation, I connected with Dhiraj Mukherjee who is co-founder of Shazam - the music recognition app that was founded during the end of the dot-com bubble in 2000 and they surfed multiple crises before finally being acquired 18 years later by Apple for a reported $400 million. He is now an active angel investor focused on Tech for Good, and with a particular interest in the climate emergency.
I first met and worked with Dhiraj 7 years ago and we reconnected recently when he posted an interesting blog post called Designing for Uncertainty about the importance of agility in finding opportunities for innovation when faced with a crisis, such as the current pandemic.
We talked about having random conversations (through being a dog owner), spotting when you are in the right place or knowing when you are in a dead end, and the importance of patience and the long view when it comes to innovation and navigating a crisis.
This podcast is a production by Liminal, the collective intelligence community. With particular thanks to our new patrons and members - Krystina Nyzell, Joshua Baker, Senan Largey, Will Rolph, Sam Roots. To find out more or to join the community please visit
www.weareliminal.co/.
See below a few links, to find out more about Dhiraj and some of the things we talked about. Until next time, please keep on connecting people and ideas. Thanks and goodbye
dhirajmukherjee.com/
www.shazam.com/
dhirajmukherjee.com/designing-for-uncertainty/
bcorporation.uk/
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/43GjCh72bxWVSqSB84ZDJw0/reith-lectures-2020-how-we-get-what-we-value
Mar 30, 202134:55
#026 Christian Busch - The Serendipity Mindset

#026 Christian Busch - The Serendipity Mindset

In this conversation I spoke with Christian Busch who is author of bestselling book Serendipity Mindset, which is all about the art and science of creating good luck. 

Christian is Director the Global Economy Program at New York University. Previously, he co-directed the LSE's Innovation Lab. He also has numerous other affiliations and accolades including with the World Economic Forum and the Royal Society of Arts. 

I was introduced to Christian by long time Liminal collaborator Kim Van Nierkierk for which I’m very grateful. And we realised that we had quite a lot in common and I liked his thoughtful and well research approach to serendipity which was very illuminating. We talked about the serendipity mindset as creating smart luck, potentially being anything and everything you could be in the moment. We also got into more philosophical territory about what it’s like to stare death in the face, following a near fatal accident that Christian experienced when he was younger.  And I thought about calling this episode Get Lucky but thought better of it.  

Anyway here are a few links below to some of the things we discussed: 

https://theserendipitymindset.com/ 

https://www.sps.nyu.edu/homepage/academics/masters-degrees/ms-in-global-affairs/global-economy.html 

https://rlabs.org/ 

https://www.lseinnovationlab.com/ 

https://www.weareliminal.co 

Please share this episode with others who might enjoy it as well and like and subscribe.  And keep on connecting people and ideas. If you do, you never know what might happen.

Feb 08, 202140:31
#025 Helen Tupper - The Future of Work

#025 Helen Tupper - The Future of Work

In this episode I connected with Helen Tupper who is the co-founder and CEO of Amazing If, an award-winning career development company with a mission to make work better for everyone. 

She is co-author of The Sunday Times No.1 Business Bestseller: The Squiggly Career and host of the UK’s no.1 careers podcast: Squiggly Careers. She also works as a Trustee for Working Families, a UK charity. Prior to Amazing If she held leadership roles for Microsoft, Virgin and BP. 

I first met Helen 12 years ago and we’ve gone on to collaborate a number of times over the years and I’ve always really enjoyed her enthusiasm and energy, and it’s great to see how she has gone on to thrive in her own squiggly career. 

To find out more about Helen and Squiggly Careers, please visit www.amazingif.com 

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Jan 08, 202133:09
#024 Benjamin de la Pena - Agile Cities
Dec 04, 202034:44
#023 Steve Xoh - The Art of Not Knowing

#023 Steve Xoh - The Art of Not Knowing

In this episode I had great conversation with Steve Xoh (pronounced Steve Zore - and also known as Steve Chapman) who is an artist, writer and speaker interested in creativity and the human condition.  He has spoken around the world on the subject of human creativity and culture and has exhibited his artwork alongside the likes of Pablo Picasso and David Shrigley.  He is visiting faculty member on a number of culture change Master’s programmes and he says he is at his best when he isn’t quite sure of what he is doing. 

I first met Steve for the first time about a year ago at an event called Basecamp, in something called the Tent of Not Knowing which we discuss in this episode. Since then I’ve enjoyed following his work, including watching his very popular TEDx talk about confronting his inner critic. And we began our conversation taking about a podcast series he recently completed called Sound of Silence which is an exhibition of collected silence recorded face to face with 100 guests over a 2 year period. 

I really enjoyed that and was struck by what he said about: 

  • The intention of art being to create moments of doubt in the realities that we’ve come to believe 
  • The moment we start to believe something as concrete, we loose the ability to wonder 
  • I make, to work out what I’m making, once I’ve made it = learning by doing 

I hope you enjoyed listening too and if you want to find out more about Steve then check out the links below: 

Website: www.canscorpionssmoke.com 

Instagram: www.instagram.com/stevexoh 

Dracula Interview Image: https://www.instagram.com/p/CH4_3eGMSzF/ 

Podcast: www.soundofsilence.org.uk Gallery: www.spongleheim.com 

TEDx Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnf-Ka3ZmOM 

Steve's Profile Picture Credit: Steve Marshall. 

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Nov 23, 202038:51
#022 Imran Khan - Humanising Science
Oct 30, 202040:15
#021 Deepa Prahalad - Inclusive Innovation

#021 Deepa Prahalad - Inclusive Innovation

In this episode I had a really insightful conversation with Deep Prahalad who is a author, speaker and activist about all things to do with Inclusive Innovation.
She is author of Predictable Magic which was one of Fast Companies best design books of the year, as well as being a frequent contributor to Harvard Business Review, strategy+business, Businessweek. She is on the Advisory Boards of the Global Peter Drucker Forum, ArogyaWorld and ModRoof, an innovative, sustainable roofing company in India and actively supports several global efforts in memory of her late father, Dr. CK Prahald, the famous Professor of Corporate Strategy at The University of Michigan and co-author of "The Fortune at the Bottom of the Pyramid".
Now based in San Diego, Deepa recently gave a really inspiring talk at the launch of a new programme that we at Liminal are currently facilitating called Scaling Out for Impact 2020 which consists of over 40 Pioneering Companies from 2 Innovative Countries - UK and SA - facing 3 Urgent Challenges over 6 Immersive Weeks to create 1 Global Community of businesses interesting in combining both social impact with commercial impact.
So I knew I wanted to find out more, so I started out by asking her what is inclusive innovation and why does it matter. Enjoy.

twitter.com/deepaprahalad
www.linkedin.com/in/deepaprahalad/
www.modroof.in/
www.weareliminal.co/sofi
Thanks again for listening. Until next time, please keep on connecting people and ideas - if you do you never know what might happen.
Oct 21, 202040:14
#020 Rohan Gunatillake - This is Happening

#020 Rohan Gunatillake - This is Happening

In this episode I enjoyed reconnecting with Rohan Gunatillake who is a digital innovator and entrepreneur in the field of health, wellbeing and mindfulness.

He is creator of the best-selling app Buddhify, author of the book Modern Mindfulness, and host of the surprisingly good Meditative Story podcast. In addition he also works with the National Health Service in Scotland making digital technology for clinicians, care workers and citizens. 

Based in Glasgow, Rohan and I first met over a decade ago at the UK Innovation Foundation Nesta, where we worked together on harnessing social media for social impact. And more than most people I know, he really strives to live in the present moment and focus on what is really happening right now. I really like the way he effortlessly switches between everything from parkour, to cooking, to digital technologies, to practical mindfulness, leading to deeper insights about life, the universe and everything, all in one conversation. 

In particular I loved what he said about seeing a coil of rope instead of a snake, so that the impossible becomes possible. And I also really liked the bit towards the end about building thresholds, and that which connects us also divides us. 

Anyway I hope you enjoyed it too and if you want to find out more about Rohan and some of the things we talked about then please visit:

https://rohangunatillake.com/ 

https://buddhify.com/ 

https://meditativestory.com/ 

http://www.mindfulnesseverywhere.io/ 

https://nds.nhs.scot/ 

https://thenewpossible.space/

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Sep 22, 202027:51
#019 Babusi Nyoni - From Dance to Diagnosis

#019 Babusi Nyoni - From Dance to Diagnosis

In this episode I really enjoyed speaking with Babusi Nyoni who is a self taught design-strategist and innovator. He works in the fields of Artificial Intelligence and big data innovation with a particular focus on developing solutions for Sub-Saharan African communities. He was born in Zimbabwe and grew up there before moving to South Africa and worked for a decade in the advertising, finance and technology industries, before relocating to the Netherlands a few years ago where he now specialises in developing meaningful innovation by translating technology from one domain to another. So I started out by asking him how he came up with a new innovation that went from dance to diagnosis? Enjoy. https://www.triple.black/ Patana AI App Store https://apps.apple.com/us/app/patana-ai/id1500814498 Patana AI Google Play Store https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.silahealth.patana&hl=en_US https://www.linkedin.com/in/babusi/ LinkedIn: @babusi Twitter: @babusinyoni
Jul 21, 202038:41
#018 Douglas Rushkoff - Find The Others
Jun 09, 202024:27
#017 Rutger Bregman - Humankind
Jun 03, 202041:35
#016 Gemma Milne - Don't Believe The Hype

#016 Gemma Milne - Don't Believe The Hype

In this episode we're pleased to welcome Gemma Milne who is a Science & Technology Journalist covering all things deep tech, including biotech, advanced computing, space, energy and innovation in academia, for titles such as Forbes, The Times, BBC, and Quartz. She is the author of a really interesting and well written book called 'Smoke & Mirrors: How Hype Obscures the Future and How to See Past It', which was published recently formed the basis of our conversation. In a fascinating conversation about critical thinking we discuss how hype’s power is in it’s illusion. We talked about how and why to try to seeing past hype, to express nuance, and to see systems, to inspire action and to take responsibility for the world we want to live in. Book: https://www.littlebrown.co.uk/titles/gemma-milne/smoke-mirrors/9781472143655/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/gemmamilne Website: https://www.gemmamilne.co.uk/ #hype #hypecycle #gartner #future #prediction #criticalthinking #misinformation #disinformation #systems #systemsthinking #ontheedge #weareliminal
May 31, 202029:51
#015 Johnnie Moore - Unhurried Conversations

#015 Johnnie Moore - Unhurried Conversations

In this episode I enjoyed an unhurried conversation with Johnnie Moore, who is a visiting tutor at the Saïd Business School at Oxford University, a partner at CreativeFacilitation.com , an a cofounder of Unhurried.org.
I’ve known Johnnie for many years and he’s taught me pretty much everything I know about facilitation, and I have always been struck by how he has helped me, and the people and organisations he works with, to collaborate better together, through a very human approach.
Johnnie and I had a really interesting conversation recently about how and why we need to slow down, and to stop interrupting each other. We talked about his new book, called Unhurried at Work, and how the art of good conversation can result in a collective intelligence that exists between us, rather than in each of us. And inevitably our conversation then turned to the great pause that we are currently experiencing through the COVID19 crisis, and what we might learn from it.
So I started out by asking him, why are we all in such a hurry? Enjoy.
#unhurried #conversation #conversations #collaboration #facilitation #interrupting #collectiveintelligence #thegreatpause #covid2019 #weareliminal #ontheedge
May 19, 202025:07
#014 Samantha North - Dissecting Disinformation

#014 Samantha North - Dissecting Disinformation

In this episode we are pleased to welcome Samantha North, who is a freelance disinformation investigator, who helps organisations to track coordinated and inauthentic online behaviour. She is also doing a PhD at the moment in computational social science at the University of Bath, researching the drivers of political tribalism on social media. She wrote a great blog post that she wrote a few weeks ago called “6 Things I’ve Learned from Tracking Coronavirus Disinformation” and we thought she would be interesting to talk to on this podcast, given that in a previous episode we spoke with Valdis Krebs about managing disinformation which in many ways more difficult than managing that the biological epidemic itself. We had a really interesting conversation about the contemporary challenges of truth and trust, including what is the incentive or motivation for creating/sharing/spreading disinformation, and what are the main tactics for dealing with it? Episode Notes and Links: For weekly posts on disinfo, conspiracy theories and the infodemic: https://samanthanorth.com Astroturfing of US anti-lockdown protests: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/conservative-activist-family-behind-grassroots-anti-quarantine-facebook-events-n1188021 NHS fake Twitter accounts story: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/21/no-evidence-of-nhs-government-covid-bot-networks-says-twitter Minimal group paradigm study (the coin toss): Tajfel H, Billig M G, Bundy R P & Flament C. (1971) Social categorization and intergroup behaviour. Eur. J. Soc. Psychol. 1:149-77 Original backfire effect study: Nyhan, B., & Reifler, J. (2010). When Corrections Fail: The Persistence of Political Misperceptions. Political Behavior, 32(2), 303–330. The 'elusive' backfire effect study: Wood, T., & Porter, E. (2018). The elusive backfire effect: mass attitudes’ steadfast factual adherence. Political Behavior. https://doi.org/10.7910/DVN/AGRX5U First Draft News, The disinformation typology: https://medium.com/1st-draft/information-disorder-part-3-useful-graphics-2446c7dbb485 Explainer on bots, botnets and trolls: https://ijnet.org/en/story/understanding-bots-botnets-and-trolls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sneetches_and_Other_Stories https://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/ronald.burt/research/index.html http://socialintelligence.labinthewild.org/mite/
May 01, 202032:27
#013 Noelle Dye - The Psychology of Uncertainty

#013 Noelle Dye - The Psychology of Uncertainty

In this episode we wanted to explicitly focus on the psychology of uncertainty. Therefore we are very pleased to welcome Noelle Dye. She is co-founder of the strategy and innovation unit at the legendary design firm Continuum, where she helped co-create, amongst many other products and services, the Swiffer for Proctor and Gamble which is now become a half-billion dollar brand in fifteen countries. And more recently as a leadership coach she asks startup founders and executives the tough questions that need to be asked. In other words she has spent her life guiding people through the fog of uncertainty, and so I wanted to talk to about the psychology of uncertainty given that we are all staring into the void of an unknown future right now in so many different ways. We talked about the typical emotional responses to uncertainty, and how they manifest themselves into action or inaction? We also discussed a variety of tactics for navigating uncertainty and turning it into something to be embraced. So I started out by asking her why do we even need certainty in the first place?  https://www.linkedin.com/in/noelledye/ https://www.continuuminnovation.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiffer https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/03/can-three-words-turn-anxiety-into-success/474909/ #complexity #complicated #chaos #confused #cynefin #networks #systems #crisis #crises #change #innovation #transformation #change #coronavirus #covid2019 #weareliminal #ontheedge

Apr 10, 202030:52
#012 Dave Snowden - Complexity, Crises and Change

#012 Dave Snowden - Complexity, Crises and Change

In this episode we are delighted to speak with Dave Snowdon, who is founder and chief scientific officer of Cognitive Edge, and also creator of the Cynefin decision making framework, which he created when he worked for IBM. Cynefin is a Welsh word for habitat. If you are not familiar with the framework yet I would encourage you to search for it online or take a look at some of the links below, before or after listening to this podcast. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynefin_framework https://cognitive-edge.com/videos/cynefin-framework-introduction/ https://cognitive-edge.com/sensemaker/ https://cognitive-edge.com/blog/cynefin-st-davids-day-5-of-5/ It was a really fascinating conversation about how complexity relates to the current, former and future crises and how we can best navigate our way out of confusion using complexity science. This then led to a really interesting exploration about the need for innovation right now, to make the most of the opportunities that present themselves to redesign and reinvent our world for the better. Finally we talked about a range of methods and projects he’s currently doing including with the UN called Sense Maker, with an open invitation for anybody to get involved. This podcast was brought to you by Liminal - a collective intelligence community to address complex and collaborative challenges of our connected world. You can find out more about us at weareliminal.co Thanks again for listening. Until next time, keep on connecting people and ideas - if you do you never know what might happen. Thank you and goodbye. #complexity #complicated #chaos #confused #cynefin #networks #systems #crisis #crises #change #innovation #transformation #change #coronavirus #covid2019 #weareliminal #ontheedge

Apr 06, 202031:01
#011 Valdis Krebs - Contagion in Networks
Mar 12, 202020:22
#010 Joe Scarboro - Corporates < > Startups

#010 Joe Scarboro - Corporates < > Startups

In this episode we are pleased to welcome Joe Scarboro whose passions lie in building businesses, innovation, technology and mental health.
After starting out as an accountant, he forged a place in the London tech community, starting a few companies and working at the intersection of startups and large companies, which is the main topic of our discussion in this episode.
I first got to know Joe as one of the driving forces behind Silicon Drinkabout, a startup community that started around the so called Silicon Roundabout of Old Street in London, that then grew to 20 different countries, with hundreds of events that were attended by over 100,000 people.
A few years later he launched Touchpaper - a not-for-profit, on a mission to make it much easier for startups and corporates to work together, through their excellent free toolkit and services.
He is currently CFO at an AI company called AltViz as well advising various startups, and also working with Tech City UK, Code Club and the RaspberryPi Foundation.
www.joescarboro.com/
www.touchpaper.org/
thebotplatform.com/
We had a really interesting conversation a few months ago now, in a great recording studio in Hoxton called Coda2Coda, where we talked about corporates and startups collaborating, and in particular exploring whether open innovation is.
So I started out by asking how the Silicon Drinkabout startup community that he helped to build back in 2011? Enjoy.
#corporates #startups #collaboration #community #innovation #openinnivation #london #shoreditch #silicondrinkabout #weareliminal #ontheedge
www.joescarboro.com/
www.touchpaper.org/
thebotplatform.com/
Mar 10, 202036:35
#009 Shelley Kuipers - Activism Through Community
Feb 20, 202031:08
#008 Rob Poynton - Improvising in Complexity

#008 Rob Poynton - Improvising in Complexity

In this final episode of 2019 it feels appropriate to welcome Rob Poynton who has had a longstanding interest in improvisation and creativity. He is also the author of several books including most recently the bestselling Do Pause, all about the importance and necessity of pausing, which seems particularly relevant at this time of year and given some of the complexity and turbulence of recent months. Rob is originally from the UK but now lives off-grid in rural Spain as well as spending quite a lot of his time in the city of Oxford in the UK, which is where I met with him a few weeks ago, where he is also an Associate Fellow at the Said Business School. We had a really enjoyable and wide ranging conversation, where we talk about everything from the work of the complexity theorist David Snowdon and his Cynefin framework, to the election in the UK which had not happened yet when we met up. See below links to some of things we discuss in this episode: 

https://www.robertpoynton.com/ 

https://thedobook.co/products/do-pause-you-are-not-a-to-do-list 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094580/ 

https://oyf.com/ 

https://rebase.camp/london-2019/ 

http://www.fritjofcapra.net/ 

https://www.schumachercollege.org.uk/ 

https://www.sbs.ox.ac.uk/ 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynefin_framework 

https://www.ynharari.com/book/sapiens/ 

https://anchor.fm/weareliminal/episodes/005-The-Age-of-Abundance---James-Burke-e5k1i8

Dec 17, 201949:57
#007 Accelerating Sustainability - Gina Lucarelli

#007 Accelerating Sustainability - Gina Lucarelli

In this episode we are really pleased to welcome Gina Lucarelli, who heads up the Accelerator Labs Network for the United Nations which launched recently in 60 countries around the world.

Gina is a native New Yorker and has lived and worked all around the world for the last 15 years working with and wrangling colleagues at United Nations to collaborate on sustainable development. She describes herself as an aspiring geek & believer in the comeback of citizen participation.

There was so much in there that I found fascinating and inspiring about accelerating sustainable development. From the UN’s role not being about taking humanity to heaven but to saving it from hell. To setting these global goals yet considering how do you keep your promise whilst following how things unfold over time? And from fighting complexity with complexity and operating on many planes, with multiple experiments simultaneously to throw a lot of things at the.

We also discuss the collective intelligence playbook which is a free to download guide for tackling complex social and global challenges by combining the best of human ingenuity with machine intelligence, at scale. And all of the links are included below:

https://medium.com/@acclabs

https://acceleratorlabs.undp.org/

https://www.nesta.org.uk/toolkit/collective-intelligence-design-playbook/

https://www.zebrasunite.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140128-how-wolves-saved-a-famous-park

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8amMCVAJQ

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Nov 20, 201941:07
#006 Designing Transitions - Cassie Robinson
Oct 23, 201933:16
#005 The Age of Abundance - James Burke

#005 The Age of Abundance - James Burke

In this episode we welcome back James Burke for the second half of the conversation we had back in May in a busy cafe in West London. The first half of the conversation was first shared in episode 1 of the On The Edge podcast, and so if you haven’t already heard that episode, then we would really recommend that you listen to that first before listening to this next instalment.

The previous episode was largely about looking back into the history of science and technology and exploring how everything really is incredibly connected and what we do about that. In this episode we jump far into the future, into what James called the Age of Abundance which he argues is no more than a generation or two away. However before we get there he predicts what he calls “severe turbulence and chaos”, which some might argue we are already in.

The key technology that he talks about, to unlock this new age of abundance, he calls nano fabricators or motes - these are a tiny specks that can make anything. This may sounds like science fiction but he shares examples of where this technology already exists in labs around the world.

He goes on to share his thoughts on the implications of this new for education, democracy and beyond. Once again, like the first episode, it is a wide ranging and mind bending conversation but I think there is lots of food for thought and I hope it sparks some ideas and reactions as you listen to it. 

James covers similar ground to what we discussed in this episode in a recent BBC programme called the end of scarcity: 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09jvfc4

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Sep 27, 201927:19
#004 Participatory Cities - Tessy Britton
Sep 04, 201930:26
#003 The Difference Dividend - Valdis Krebs

#003 The Difference Dividend - Valdis Krebs

In this this third episode we welcome a pioneer of social network analysis, Valdis Krebs who is founder and chief scientist of the company OrgNet.

He has studied many different types of networks, from the 9/11 terrorist cells, to the innovation networks of Silicon Valley, both of which we discuss in this episode. He has shown that you are only as smart as the networks you are embedded in, and in a nutshell he describes the art of networks to be to connect on your similarities, and benefit from your differences! 

In other words he has analysed and demonstrated the value of cognitive diversity and multiple perspectives, which we call the difference dividend.

This episode begins with the story behind his classic paper, Uncloaking Terrorist Networks, which was produced using only public information and newspaper clippings, and has been called "the most cited public analysis of the 9/11 terrorist networks”. 

Jul 23, 201929:03
#002 The Spaces Inbetween - Nora Bateson
Jul 09, 201939:18
#001 Everything is Connected - James Burke
Jun 18, 201929:49