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What Won't She Say

What Won't She Say

By Sonya Mastick

Sonya Mastick brings you around the table to meet some amazing women and hear their stories.
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What Won't She SayFeb 06, 2019

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Jackie Zimmerman Episode 11 - Elective surgery, new job, a break-up, and marriage.

Jackie Zimmerman Episode 11 - Elective surgery, new job, a break-up, and marriage.

This is the final episode of the Jackie Zimmerman summer series!

In this episode, Jackie talks about an elective surgery for a tummy tuck, a new corporate job, breaking up with the shady boyfriend, trauma bonding, marriage, and where her life is now.

Aug 06, 202336:17
Jackie Zimmerman Episode 10 - Girls With Guts, burnout, and 1 last surgery.

Jackie Zimmerman Episode 10 - Girls With Guts, burnout, and 1 last surgery.

Now for an uplifting episode. Jackie starts Girls with Guts with a group of friends who also are IBD patients. She delves into the first retreat, highs and lows, complications, finding her people, immense pride, burnout, and the final surgery.

Aug 02, 202335:16
Jackie Zimmerman Episode 9 - New surgeon, an easy surgery, Girls With Guts, and a shady boyfriend.

Jackie Zimmerman Episode 9 - New surgeon, an easy surgery, Girls With Guts, and a shady boyfriend.

New surgeon, the last surgery in the J pouch series, recovering, graduating from Grad school, starting Girls With Guts, and finding out that her boyfriend has been less than faithful. Does this finally fracture the relationship and end things? Listen to find out.

Jul 30, 202318:21
Jackie Zimmerman Episode 8 - Suicidal ideation, new J pouch surgery, and patient advocacy.

Jackie Zimmerman Episode 8 - Suicidal ideation, new J pouch surgery, and patient advocacy.

TW Suicide

This episode is deeply vulnerable. Jackie was at a low point and actively planning her suicide. There's outreach, friends intervening, getting help, another J pouch surgery, and some body and mind healing. Life starts moving forward, and good things start happening, but all get derailed by more complications.

Jul 26, 202328:19
Jackie Zimmerman 7 - Grad school, J-pouch surgery, and dark days.

Jackie Zimmerman 7 - Grad school, J-pouch surgery, and dark days.

TW: Suicide, suicidal ideation.

In this episode, life is on an upswing after leaving Camp Oasis. She has just been fired and cannot get another job because she has many surgeries ahead of her. She throws herself into Grad School to occupy her mind. MS relapse, an unsupportive boyfriend and professors, and a J-pouch surgery that does not go as planned. Then a bottoming out and a contemplation of suicide.

If you or someone you know is struggling or in crisis, help is available. Call or text 988 to connect with a trained crisis counselor. Remember you are loved and the world absolutely needs you in it!


You can listen on Spotify or at www.whatwontshesay.com (link in Insta bio). #jpouch #MS #disabilitypridemonth #spotifypodcaster

Jul 23, 202331:21
Jackie Zimmerman - Episode 6. Cleveland Clinic UC surgeries, ostomy, and Camp Oasis.

Jackie Zimmerman - Episode 6. Cleveland Clinic UC surgeries, ostomy, and Camp Oasis.

In this episode, Jackie and her parents are preparing for a series of three UC surgeries at the Cleveland Clinic. She shares a ridiculous story of having to prep for colon surgery while sharing a hotel bathroom with her parents and gives details of her exact procedure.


Jackie shares how the surgery did not go as planned, the difficulty with managing pain, feeling the loss of dignity, and how challenging the aftercare was in general. She struggles with her identity and her new life with an ostomy. Finally, she finds Camp Oasis (a camp for children with IBD), where, as a camp counselor, her life is changed forever for the better.

Jul 19, 202342:16
Jackie Zimmerman - Episode 5. Bankruptcy, benefit, all the feels, and facing a series of UC surgeries.

Jackie Zimmerman - Episode 5. Bankruptcy, benefit, all the feels, and facing a series of UC surgeries.

In this episode, it's the end of 2009, and heart surgery is behind Jackie. She is still trying to maintain a full-time job while facing a series of major surgeries, trying to wrap her mind around how much her body was rapidly changing due to meds and illness, and worrying about how to pay the bills. It's important to remember that at this time, Jackie is still only 25 years old. She and her parents try to navigate insurance, contemplate bankruptcy, and having to accept help and generosity from others via a benefit.

Jul 16, 202338:35
Jackie Zimmerman - Episode 4. Heart surgery, malpractice, job complications and more!

Jackie Zimmerman - Episode 4. Heart surgery, malpractice, job complications and more!

In this episode, fresh on the heels of her MS and UC diagnosis, Jackie suddenly faces heart surgery, and a family friend saves her life. During this time, she not only faces her own mortality but can see it in the faces of her friends and family. More boyfriend green flags that are actually red flags, and working a full-time job through it all. New meds, more complications, and is now facing multiple life-altering surgeries.

Jul 12, 202325:16
Jackie Zimmerman - Episode 3. UC, exploding IVs, and another health crisis.

Jackie Zimmerman - Episode 3. UC, exploding IVs, and another health crisis.

In this episode, we talk about Jackie finally telling her family about her new diagnosis of IBD, struggling to understand the protocols and implications of UC, many hospitalizations, exploding IVs, and trying to become empowered at a young age to advocate for herself, all while being incredibly ill. Add on top of all of this, navigating the American healthcare system. The episode ends with another health emergency that is not UC or MS.

Jul 10, 202329:31
Jackie Zimmerman - Episode 2

Jackie Zimmerman - Episode 2

In this episode, we talk about living with MS, a new boyfriend, highs, lows, a horrible roller coaster road trip, anxiety, and the ominous precursor of IBD.

Jul 06, 202342:17
Jackie Zimmerman - MS and IBD patient and advocate.

Jackie Zimmerman - MS and IBD patient and advocate.


For this summer series we will be kicking off Disability Pride Month by focusing on the story of Jackie Zimmerman. In 2006 she was diagnosed with MS (Multiple Sclerosis) and in 2009 with UC (Ulcerative Colitis).

She is now a patient advocate who has an captivating story to tell about her journey. She did not do all the right things, nor was she dealt an easy hand when it came to chronic illness and that is what makes her story so compelling.

She delves vulnerably into all the triumphs, the failures, the shame, the empowerment, and everything in between. She shares so much about her public and private battles that you will find it impossible not to be drawn in and inspired.

In part one, we start from the beginning of it all. We delve into Jackie's early life, first symptoms, MS and IBD diagnosis, personal life, terrible boyfriends, and so much more.

Jul 02, 202347:56
Farah Jamani - The Holistic Pharmacist

Farah Jamani - The Holistic Pharmacist

In this episode, Farah, also known as the Holistic Pharmacist, talks about women's overall health. We discuss the gut biome, the biology of burnout, difficulty with weight loss and the hormone connection, and the potential array of dysfunction in the body that is responsible for creating havoc and how to undo it all. With a long history rooted in hard science and conventional medicine, Farah has an interesting and well-rounded perspective on maintaining healthier body systems in a world filled with increasingly sedentary lifestyles and a less-than-honest food industry. #holisticpharmacist #womenshealth #menopause #gutbiome #whatwontshesay #womenwhopodcast #functionalmedicine

Jun 23, 202337:56
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 12 So Long, Farewell Series Finale Recap

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 12 So Long, Farewell Series Finale Recap

Hang out with us as we wade through the SERIES FINALE of Ted Lasso. Who got closure and who was left hanging? Was it a satisfying ending? How did it compare to other other classic season finales? Stick around to find out!

Jun 03, 202348:51
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 11 Mom City Recap - Beliving' N Biscuits

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 11 Mom City Recap - Beliving' N Biscuits

UGH! This episode on so many levels was a tear jerker. A much needed standoff between Ted and his mom. Beard was a felon?!? Jamie goes "home" while Roy and Keely's worry about him might be bringing them together. Nate is welcomed back into the fold? There is so much to sort through with this second to last episode of the series.

May 26, 202343:47
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 10 International Break Recap

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 10 International Break Recap

This was a big episode with a lot of moving parts. Lets not fuss about and get right into it!

May 21, 202337:05
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 9 La Locker Room Aux Folles Recap.

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 9 La Locker Room Aux Folles Recap.

This was one of our favorite episodes of the season! Music was more than ever front and center. So many witty one liners, and finally some sweet, sweet resolution to several story lines. Drop in and listen to our recap!

May 13, 202325:33
Entrepreneur, musician, and world-traveler Dana Forrester

Entrepreneur, musician, and world-traveler Dana Forrester

T/W Suicide, Suicidal Ideation.

In this episode with Dana Forrester we explore so many facets of life, death, the afterlife, and what it means to be alive. Dana is an entrepreneur, musician, and seasoned world-traveler.

She discusses her early defiance as a Jewish girl turned rocker and tattoo shop owner, navigating the loss of her mom, a tragic injury that led to suicidal ideation, and so much more. This episode is absolute fire!

May 10, 202340:55
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 8 "We'll Never Have Paris" recap.

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 8 "We'll Never Have Paris" recap.

While last weeks episode had a lot of highs, this one has a lot of those possibilities dropping back down to reality. Is Ted's ex wife, Michelle, getting engaged? What exactly is going on with Keely and Jack...and Jamie for that matter?! Trent brings the wisdom while Nate tries to recreate the bond he felt with the Diamond Dogs. There is a lot to cover so lets get stuck in!

May 05, 202345:30
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 7 "Boxes" recap - Believin & Biscuits

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 7 "Boxes" recap - Believin & Biscuits

Listen as we unpack this powerhouse episode. We discuss Rebecca's warning of Jack love bombing Keely, Nate finally asks out Jade, and Trent finally getting Ted. Of course we launch the entire episode with lots of laughter surrounding the red string scene, the tender scenes with Sam and Ola along with so much more!

May 01, 202337:51
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 6 Recap of Sunflowers

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 6 Recap of Sunflowers

This hour long episode was just full of goodness! Is Keely in love? Are Roy and Jamie really becoming friends? Is Ted finally opening up? Also, one of he last predictions from Rebecca's psychic visit comes true! Hang out and have fun listening to us breakdown the Sunflowers episode.

Apr 23, 202341:44
Award Winning Singer Songwriter Jill Jack

Award Winning Singer Songwriter Jill Jack

In this episode, we take an intimate deep-dive into Jill's personal life as she worked through life-threatening Covid complications and how she is now trying to find a new normal. Her story has so many twists and turns that you won't want to miss it!

Apr 19, 202330:25
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 5 Recap - Believin & Biscuits.

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 5 Recap - Believin & Biscuits.

Signs might be a telling title for this episode. Where did Zava go? Is Rebecca's psychic right? Has Ted totally checked out? And what the hell is going on with Shandy? Find out in this recap episode of Believin & Biscuits.

Apr 16, 202332:10
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 4 The Big Week Recap!

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 4 The Big Week Recap!

Sarah and I look at this weeks, The Big Week, episode where Nate and Ted finally square off, Jamie and Roy form a kindship, and Keely is getting pushed ever closer to making big decisions in her personal/business life.

Apr 07, 202337:01
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 3 Mini- Podcast Recap!

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 3 Mini- Podcast Recap!

Psychics, secret relationships, tragic endings, the era of Zava, alliances, and so much more! Listen to our recap of this long and compelling episode!

Mar 30, 202335:20
Counselor and Spiritual Guide Julie Booksh

Counselor and Spiritual Guide Julie Booksh

On this episode, Counselor and Spiritual Guide Julie Booksh and I explore how toxic happiness is burying us in shame. For us to live a more fulfilled life, it's important to reconcile our inner world with our outer, how it can be harmful to label our feelings as good or bad, and ways to create inner-diversity in our lives.
She also delves into how we view God (or faith) is how we ultimately treat ourselves. That a healthy shift for her has been moving from religion to spirituality.
"When we learn how to be with hard feelings (ones we label as bad), we create a wholeness for ourselves and are able to be there with others."

Mar 29, 202332:13
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 2 Recap

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 2 Recap

Thematically it feels like an episode where so many characters are finding their strength and questioning their purpose. Listen for a full recap!

Mar 23, 202323:07
Season 5 Episode 4 Musician, Comedian, and Endurance Athlete Mary Ellen Kearney

Season 5 Episode 4 Musician, Comedian, and Endurance Athlete Mary Ellen Kearney

The ultra-talented Mary Ellen Kearney talks about an impactful moment in her life that created a massive but positive change!

We explore why so many artists feel they need to be depressed in order to create their best work.

Her experience with running a half Iron Man, and how at the age of 40 she has started to perfect the art of not giving a shit.

People, this episode is FIRE. Give it a listen!

Mar 18, 202335:16
Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 1 Recap

Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode 1 Recap

Ted struggles with negative press, while Rebecca takes it all personally. Are Roy and Keely still together? Has Coach Nate become a nice guy again or more of a supervillain? Listen for all the scoop along with our predicts of how the series might end.  

Mar 16, 202330:53
Mini Episode with Sarah Zimmerman - Believin' & Biscuits Episode #1 The Review

Mini Episode with Sarah Zimmerman - Believin' & Biscuits Episode #1 The Review

Former WWSS co-host Sarah Zimmerman and I have decided to do a weekly mini podcast based around Ted Lasso. We will review each new episode the day after it airs. In this episode we recap seasons 1 and 2, along with placing our individual bets on how season 3 might turn out. 

Mar 10, 202321:07
Rachel May - Award Winning Musician

Rachel May - Award Winning Musician

In this episode, award-winning musician Rachel May shares fun stories about life on the road as a touring musician. We delve into our wild experiences as young musicians, her time playing in Grinder with Detroit Red Wing Darren McCarty, dating musicians, the loss of her mom, and the most life-changing 23 and Me connection!

There is EXTREMELY mature content in this episode. You've been warned. 

Mar 05, 202339:54
Angie Kaiser - Drummer and Associate Professor of Social Work

Angie Kaiser - Drummer and Associate Professor of Social Work

In this episode, Angie and I discuss our awkward and bloody first-time meeting; what it feels like to have your life driven by the passion of playing music, along with teaching social policies during the era of Trump.
Hope you enjoy! #spotify #itunes #whatwontshesay #angiekaiser #womenwhopodcast

Feb 26, 202354:25
Season 5 Episode One - New Beginnings

Season 5 Episode One - New Beginnings

As you may have already noticed this is a short one but it's just a quick update on what to expect this season. I am looking forward to having more great conversations with you all this season. This season we have some really uplifting stories and some real nail biters! 

Feb 19, 202302:41
Is this our final episode....ever?!?!

Is this our final episode....ever?!?!

Are we consciously uncoupling? Is the podcast ending? Give it a listen to find out!

Plus we discuss favorite pies, trust issues because of bad Halloween candy, and other random but hilarious nonsense.

Jun 09, 202224:03
Hustle and Grind Culture

Hustle and Grind Culture

This episode is about the toxic hustle and grind culture. Why rest is incredibly important both physically and mentally, with the reminder that we do not have to earn our rest. Enjoy!

Jun 02, 202212:49
The pain of comparison.

The pain of comparison.

This episode we talk about Brene Brown and how comparison causes us to feel terrible and do ridiculous things like the trend of tanning your butthole and other weirdness.

May 31, 202214:17
Trying Something New

Trying Something New

Why did Sarah end up doing an activity that she would normally find terrifying? Was it new found bravado? Was she tricked? Or did she have no idea what she was getting herself into? Listen to find out. This episode is a mini so it is under 11 minutes and is filled with fun, laughs, and dare I say, even inspiration. 

May 25, 202210:60
We Have a Name!

We Have a Name!

In this episode we reveal the name for our mini podcast series and Sonya's exploration on creating new habits to complain less. We also talk a little about Brene Brown's Atlas of the Heart, naming our emotions, and the fundamental shifts that come with healing. 

May 04, 202212:19
Powerlifting legend Laura Phelps Stackhouse

Powerlifting legend Laura Phelps Stackhouse

Laura Phelps Stackhouse is a legendary powerlifter defying the odds in a male-dominated sport. She has paved the way for women in the sport while securing her place in the record books as the strongest female powerlifter in HISTORY!


This episode is a vast departure from most of her interviews. We talk about body positivity, issues that affect female lifters specifically, nutrition, fitness myths, and more. We promise you don't want to miss this one!

Mar 30, 202201:03:13
Mini Episode #2 - Pups, dark chocolate and breakthroughs.

Mini Episode #2 - Pups, dark chocolate and breakthroughs.

In this mini-episode we talk about how Sarah found self-forgiveness and had a psychological breakthrough after accidentally kinda, sorta trying to kill her dog with chocolate along with missing a writing deadline.  However, the dog learned nothing from this experience.   Listen now!

Mar 24, 202207:13
Artist - Tana Tapson

Artist - Tana Tapson

We had an AMAZING time talking to Tana Tapson, an oil painter who is deep into a series of large scale paintings of antique coins. Tana’s paintings have been shown across the midwest and even published in books! We talk discipline, focus, and the drive to express ourselves through art. Listen now at whatwontshesay.com or wherever you catch your podcasts!

Mar 17, 202235:52
**New** MINI-PODCASTS with Sarah and Sonya!

**New** MINI-PODCASTS with Sarah and Sonya!

Today we are launching a series of mini-podcasts. We haven't figure out a name yet and would love for you to give us some ideas!

In this first episode we discuss the dreaded Trader Joe's parking lot, how electric cars are trying to murder us, and giving ourselves the grace to pivot when things aren't working out as planned.

Mar 03, 202210:27
Jacki Smith of Coventry Creations

Jacki Smith of Coventry Creations

Jacki is a dynamic entrepreneur and this episode is a must listen! She talks about how she grew her wholesale business from her kitchen to becoming an industry leader! Coventry supplies candles, oils, and other items to over 1000 businesses around the world. We take a deep dive in the how-to aspect of her business along with not only surviving but thriving through a pandemic. 

Feb 13, 202250:50
Cheryl Salinas-Tucker

Cheryl Salinas-Tucker

Today’s episode features Cheryl Salinas-Tucker, the co-founder and co-owner of ROUGE Makeup & Nail Studio and Eve Organics Beauty in Ferndale, MI. We discuss Cheryl’s years in the fashion and beauty industry and how she’s created an inclusive and safe place for healthy beauty. One of the amazing stories you will also get to hear is how she found herself accidently walking the runway in NYC just days after graduating high school! Enjoy!

Jan 30, 202242:48
Camp Casey Founder - Molly Reeser

Camp Casey Founder - Molly Reeser

Yeehaw! On today's episode, Sonya and Sarah chat by the campfire with Molly Reeser, Founder and Executive Director of Camp Casey. Molly talks about the joy of combining her love for horses and passion for serving kids with cancer, and what it's like for a kid to open their front door to a horse on the porch! She also educates us on the true story of America's first Black cowboys and describes upcoming exciting projects in Detroit. Come along for the ride!

Jan 19, 202244:54
We’re starting the year off joyfully with a chat with Tasha Skilllin!

We’re starting the year off joyfully with a chat with Tasha Skilllin!

Tasha knows a thing or two about healing and loving on ourselves. She walks us through the devastating illness that confined her to bed for years, and the daily practices of healing and gentleness she still applies (and teaches!) today. Tasha is the co-founder of Rules & Rebellion, and the host of the Boldly Becoming You Podcast. Her programs and podcast are designed to help women learn to rest and to release burnout habits, perfectionism and procrastination tendencies. In learning to trust ourselves again, she believes we can reach our highest potential.

Jan 02, 202249:12
Danielle M. Henry

Danielle M. Henry

On today’s episode of WHAT WON’T SHE SAY, Sonya and Sarah interview Danielle M. Henry, the social media director of the nation’s largest resource for women in politics! We talk about reproductive rights, hitting a powerful stride at forty, our love of true crime podcasts (of course), and what adult friendship looks like, and so much more. Join us!

Dec 19, 202141:02
Cheria Thomas

Cheria Thomas

Grab a cup of @fueloftheday coffee and listen as Sonya and Sarah talk to Ms. Cheria Thomas!! Cheria talks about managing a small business PLUS a full-time job and a kid (), parenting, boundaries, big energy, and how age allows us to care less about what others think! Cheria is marvelous and this convo is , you won’t want to miss! Listen on whatwontshesay.com or in any podcast platforms.

Dec 05, 202137:39
Sarah interviews Sonya and shenanigans ensue.

Sarah interviews Sonya and shenanigans ensue.

In episode 2 of season 4 Sarah Zimmerman interviews Sonya Mastick. In this interview she talks about her time working in the musical business, horrid day jobs, her covid recovery, a brain injury, and more! 

Nov 21, 202140:29
Meet the new co-host Sarah Zimmerman!

Meet the new co-host Sarah Zimmerman!

In this episode you get to learn a little bit about Sarah. We discuss everything from parenting, career changes, misogyny, leaps of faith, and so much more. You wont want to miss this one!

Nov 04, 202132:34
Ayana D. King discusses cancel culture!
Mar 13, 202141:12