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Why Not Both

Why Not Both

By Pam Shaffer
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity. Presented by Under The Radar magazine, we interview a wide variety of creative guests who share how their various interests dovetail to create a vibrant life.
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Ep 95: Tori Amos
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. It's an impossible task to sum up Tori Amos in a few sentences, as our conversation covered the authenticity of artistic intention, the importance of keeping your feet on the ground to counteract the deleterious effects of fame, and the inspiration you gain when you accept your emotional landscapes. She pointed out that so many of the things we perceive as negative such as failure and anger can in fact be our wisest teachers when they are properly examined and utilized, as she has seen over the course of her brilliant career. We are so very lucky to have Tori here in all her forms as she has forged a path for countless artists to follow. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:00:09
October 27, 2021
Bonus Ep 3: Red Riot
This episode was first available to Patreon supporters. If you'd like to hear about more magical creators, please join us. Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Remaining on theme for our bonus episodes, we traveled virtually to Reykjavik to spend time with Red Riot, aka Hildur and Ragna. Though they each have their own amazing solo talents (which include songwriting, audio engineering, production work and rapping), they finally had the time to create the dance music we've all been dreaming about while we were stuck inside. We loved chatting with them about their incredible experiences in every facet of the music industry and hope you enjoy their stories too. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
50:45
October 22, 2021
Ep 94: Allison Russell
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. The past year and a half has shown us all that our true vitality comes from our interwoven communities, as musician Allison Russell pointed out in many ways over the course of our chat. She had the chance to demonstrate this very point when her album Outside Child got signed to Fantasy Records and when she curated a stage at the Newport Folk Festival to highlight up and coming artists. Though her talent and presence is undeniable Russell makes sure to emphasize her supportive web of friends and colleagues uplifts her daily and that she in turn uses this to lift others up around her too.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
53:42
October 20, 2021
Ep 93: Macy Rodman
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. In a culture that fetishizes both youth and productivity, it was so refreshing to hear Macy Rodman exclaim, "I have always been so excited about getting older!" as she told us all about her new approach to her creative work. The surreal circumstances of the past year gave Rodman a chance to hit the hard restart button and delve into song writing and stage production in ways that she found she loved, from spending hours hand knotting a wig to writing at lightning speed just for kicks only to edit later. We love her attitude of infinite adaptability as we all are inevitably tumbling through this life the best we can. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:01:21
October 13, 2021
Ep 92: Sigrid
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Whether she's writing songs in Copenhagen or traipsing through the snow in the silent wilderness, Sigrid likes to be present for the moment as much as possible. We chatted about how excited she is to be back playing shows (turns out she gets so excited that she has blacked out during performances) and how much she enjoys writing with her colleagues all over the world (turns out LA is her top spot for weird inspirational experiences). Life is all about collecting and creating good stories so we are thrilled we get a glimpse into her world.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
58:37
October 6, 2021
Ep 91: Shirley Manson of Garbage
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We caught up with Shirley Manson, the absolute force of nature, frontwoman of Garbage and host of The Jump, as she is back on tour for the first time since all the chaos began. Turns out we both fall a bit in love with our podcast guests as each conversation is an opportunity to delve into a novel perspective and light our creative fires. We love her philosophy that it's vital to do something new and challenging every day in order to stay vibrant and we hope she inspires you to do the same with her brilliant new album and insightful interviews. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
35:24
September 22, 2021
Ep 90: William Shatner
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. How does one even begin to describe a Zoom session with William Shatner? Our sprawling conversation covered the nature of the universe, the new album he's releasing, his multiple shows, his love for his Dobermans, and the best veggie sandwiches in Los Angeles. When asked how he does so many things without getting overwhelmed, Shatner reminded us that it's best to just stay in the moment you're in, as you never know what may come next, which is quite the relevant lesson for 2021. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:04:21
September 15, 2021
Ep 89: The Weather Station
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. The dramatic irony of releasing a record written for live performance during a time when we were all stuck indoors was not lost on Tamara Lindeman, the writer and leader of The Weather Station. If anything, it gave her more opportunity to communicate directly with her listeners about the amply evident effects of climate change on our society through her newsletter, where she chatted with fans and friends alike about the best ways to stay present and address the cataclysmic shifts of our time. This year was a sneak preview of what's to come and as Tamara illuminates, it's imperative that we turn towards a collective creative mindset. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
50:19
September 8, 2021
Ep 88: Mia Berrin of Pom Pom Squad
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Social media has taught us all to be chameleons of sorts, reflecting and refracting our various influences, but Maia Berrin of Pom Pom Squad reflects on how this can make us more introspective artists and human beings. It can be equally joyous to see ourselves reflected in others as it is painful to see ourselves erased from the media landscape, all of which Mia chats about in our interview and sings about on her new album Death Of A Cheerleader. Ultimately, we are all in charge of our own perceptions but it certainly helps to have guiding lights along the way. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:02:02
August 25, 2021
Ep 87: David Duchovny
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. David Duchovny fears that he may be perceived as a dabbler in multiple creative spheres but we see him as an iconic artist who proves that you don't need to be limited to one mode of expression to get your ideas across. Between traveling to the desert to research his latest novel Truly Like Lightning to holing up in the studio pre-Covid era to record his album Gestureland, he shows that you can embody different facets of the universal human range of emotions any way you fancy. By focusing on expression over the traditional trappings of success, he's able to bring us inimitable characters in all the work he produces and we adore him for it. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
35:58
August 18, 2021
Ep 86: Devon Gilfillian
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. After the magical experience of seeing Devon Gilfillian at Newport Folk Festival, we knew that we had to have him on the show. From learning to connect with fans without touring, to chilling with his cat Barry White, he’s had a busy year and a half. Along the way, Devon even recorded cover of Marvin Gaye’s iconic album What's Going On to bring awareness to voter suppression in Tennessee and beyond. The way he sees it, art is here to help you re-evaluate the systems we are all in. And if you have a voice, it’s time to use it. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
50:48
August 11, 2021
Ep 85: Devendra Banhart
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Legend tells that Devendra Banhart and his collaborator Noah Georgeson wanted to collaborate on an album for 20 years but it took an earthquake in Japan and a global pandemic to really inspire them to craft their work Refuge. Devendra spoke to the ways in which we can step aside and allow our ideas to guide us, as we are often striving for the beautiful moments in which we can ultimately forget ourselves in music and art. It is inspiring to know that one of the best ways to accept change in the present is to delve both into our future and our past, as Devendra and Noah masterfully did in their work together, and as we did through this magical conversation. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:11:12
August 4, 2021
Ep 84: Laura Gómez
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. A long way from her role as Blanca Flores on Orange is the New Black, when writer/actress/general creative badass Laura Gómez left her old home of New York in early 2020, she thought she was going to spend a bit of time in LA working on her new screenplay then find a place to settle down for good. Little did she know that she would find herself in the Dominican Republic where she was born, spending time with her parents after they recovered from the literal plague while crafting a bilingual podcast Baraja Eso to keep her creative mind occupied. Of course, we love her artistic philosophy that personal stories help foster empathy. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:09:03
July 28, 2021
Ep 83: Jonas Bjerre of Mew
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. When he's not traveling the world with Mew, it turns out that Jonas Bjerre really likes scoring films and cashing in what he calls his "gift cards of time" by reading books and crafting happy sonic accidents on his modular synths. Getting stuck in one place for all of 2020 also helped him finally make music with his good friend Tobias for their new project Tachys along with several epic music videos. From discussing the finest salty Finnish licorice to deciphering the logic of a post truth world, Jonas leaves no topic unexplored. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:04:12
July 21, 2021
Ep 82: Anna of the North
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Whether it's home renovations, one's own health, or her latest song idea, Anna of The North is obsessively dedicated to untangling life's riddles. We got to chat about how vital it is to fall in love with the art your making so that others can do so as well while still taking the time to care for yourself as a human being first. Sometimes the best thing you can do is just clear the cobwebs of anxiety away so you can make more space for the happy accidents to come along.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:01:13
July 7, 2021
Ep 81: Laurie Penny
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. For writer Laurie Penny, the transition from feminist journalist to screenwriter was a bit of a happy accident, as she crash landed in LA shortly before everything shut down. She found herself in a quarantine pod with none other than our podcast host Pam and watched while the show she worked on, The Haunting of Bly Manor, became a hit as she continued to write her manuscript for her upcoming book as Sexual Revolution. As Penny put it, only took "three years, six cities, twelve house moves, a global pandemic, wildfires, riots, marriage, an unexpected excursion into an entirely new career, breakdown and repair, heartache and adventure, love and loss and lots and lots of late-night note-taking on the state of the species" to finish and we can't wait to read it. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
59:57
June 30, 2021
Ep 80: John Grant
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. It's not every day that you get to see someone's beloved coffee mug collection, but we expected nothing less when we hopped on Zoom to chat with John Grant at his Reykjavik home. As an artist, he wrestles with the confines of masculinity and the American dream that caused him to relocate to Iceland in the first place while as a person, he enthusiastically delves into the charming and esoteric delights that inspire him. We couldn't be more fortunate as an audience to engage with his narratives as they weave their way through his songs and stories, helping us find compassion for our own victories and failures along the way. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:01:56
June 23, 2021
Ep 79: Anjimile
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. It's a rare and beautiful gift to come across an artist like Anjimile, who centers their experience not just their own work but on uplifting the work and sense of identity for those around them as well. As a former English major turned music business student, they learned how to forge a path as an independent musician and now they share that knowledge with their peers in order to empower their fellow artists. Anjimile remarked that they didn't see black queer artists in the media growing up and so it is all the more important to them to create that space for their audience, a powerful sentiment we support in every way. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:05:31
June 16, 2021
Ep 78: Rufus Wainwright
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Rufus Wainwright expanded into new territories from the comfort of his living room from collaborating on the new single Technopera with Ampersounds to performing online for new fans. For someone who previously eschewed technology in his art, Wainwright found that he actually liked delving into digital spaces though he admitted to be thrilled to be going back on tour and performing "Rufus Does Judy" at Capitol Studios. We loved hearing how his time watching old Hollywood movies with his daughter and enjoying the simplicity of domesticity has given him new perspectives as he ventures back out into the world. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
29:07
June 9, 2021
Ep 77: Claud
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We all got to take a year off of being perceived. And as musician Claud noted in our podcast interview, it also gave us the chance to more fully delve into who we are at our most vulnerable. They spent the time off of touring crafting a new album, complete with self-created art for each song, collaborating with internet friends on Zoom, and being moderately terrified at the accuracy of TikTok's "For You" page. As the world slowly spins up again, we are glad that we can take Claud's songs with us on the journey. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
55:12
June 2, 2021
Ep 76: Vanessa Vakharia of The Math Guru and Goodnight Sunrise
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Between the music with her band Goodnight, Sunrise, and teaching math at The Math Guru, and the magic, Vanessa Vakharia is a wonderfully busy woman. Over the past year, she took advantage of the extra time at home to write a new album and learn that maybe she was more of a morning lark (despite her love of playing late night shows) all while running her own math tutoring studio. Basically, we just love that she is unapologetically a brilliant badass in multiple spheres. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
50:26
May 26, 2021
Ep 75: O Future
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. It's hard to describe how wonderful it is entering the world of O Future, a kaleidoscopic adventure comprised of a dizzying array of cultural influences. Given their backgrounds growing up in South Africa and Denmark respectively, Katherine and Jens had a lot to say about how different experiences and places can shape you as a person and an artist, particularly in an era where we are capable of crafting our own identities. In a time when we get to redefine ourselves, it's valuable to reflect on how we can act as mirrors for each other as we move through new territory. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:22:05
May 19, 2021
Ep 74: Twin Shadow
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. After spending 2020 in lockdown mode with his literal twin, Twin Shadow is out and about getting his motorcycle repaired in obscure corners of LA and sharing his self-titled new album with the world. We spoke of how songs become an energetic exchange between the writer and the listener and his unconventional path from playing the saxophone as a kid to producing his own work. Here at Why Not Both, we are big fans of duality, so we appreciate his sounds of levity in the midst of tumultuous times. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
56:04
May 12, 2021
Bonus Ep 2: Árni Ingólffson
This episode was first available to Patreon supporters. If you'd like to hear about more magical creators, please join us. Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. For the second bonus episode of Why Not Both, we were reminiscing about the time we got to hang out in Harpa Concert Hall with Árni Heimir Ingólfsson. As Iceland's premiere musicologist, he not only publishes books on classical Icelandic music but also teaches around the world and helps organize the programming for concerts at Harpa. As if that weren't enough, he is an accomplished pianist who produces albums of both contemporary and medieval Icelandic music in his abundant free time. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
46:15
May 8, 2021
Ep 73: Jenny Owen Youngs
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. After the last fire season in LA, Jenny Owen Youngs saw the ashes on her car and decided that she had enough. After moving to Maine, she realized that the magic of her songwriting collaborations and her brilliant podcast Buffering The Vampire Slayer only grew stronger despite the distance as she was far more at ease. As a fellow lover of surprise moves and encounters, we loved her philosophy that life and art is all about intersections, where we happily collide with each other and leave one another forever changed as a result.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:03:26
May 5, 2021
Ep 72: girl in red
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. On this week's episode, girl in red (aka Marie Ulven) discovers the secret to podcasting and creative life in general: no one really knows what they are doing. After spending the year re-reading her favorite books, spending time with her dog, and shooting photos, girl in red casually crafted a brilliant album. As we all stumble through the unknown, it's comforting to have her stories and songs to keep us company along the way. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:12:05
April 28, 2021
Ep 71: KCRW's Anne Litt
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. KCRW's Anne Litt is used to being the interviewer and not the interviewee, which made this weeks episode of Why Not Both particularly delightful. As the station's newly appointed music director, Litt found herself broadcasting from home and managing her team from afar as the events of the last year unfolded. For someone who likes to everything all at once, Litt remarked that it's been vital to learn that it's ok to prioritize what you truly value and that slowing down to enjoy things might not be so bad after all. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:12:10
April 21, 2021
Bonus Ep 1: Freyja Eilíf
This episode was first available to Patreon supporters. If you'd like to hear about more magical creators, please join us. Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. For our first bonus episode of Why Not Both, we traveled back in time and space to chat with our good friend Freyja Eilif, a magical artist and creator in Reykjavik, Iceland. We spent the afternoon together in The Museum of Perceptive Art, a space that Freyja created to host curators and artists alike and assist them on not only their creative journeys but to facilitate their existential healing as well. Freyja remarked that the best way to explore the future is to experiment with the physical world through the lessons of the ancient past and we can't possibly think of a more profound way to express our own journey as we rush to meet ourselves. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. 
01:04:45
April 14, 2021
Ep 70: Julien Baker
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Any conversation that starts with microphone inquires and ends with jokes about praxis is bound to be fascinating, so it is not surprising to hear that we loved our multi-faceted chat with Julien Baker. As a songwriter, Baker muses on the idea that personal narratives are important not only to understand ourselves but to have empathy for others, which is especially important when sorting out a queer identity in a culture dominated by heteronormativity. While our culture keeps moving faster than we could ever process, Baker is making peace with the idea that each time we think we have it all figured out, another question arises, and that's part of the joy of being an artist and a human being after all. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
59:45
April 7, 2021
Ep 69: Nadya Tolokonnikova of Pussy Riot
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. As one of the founding members of Pussy Riot, Nadya Tolokonnikova has used her art as activism over the course of the last decade. From bringing about prison reform in Russia to helping people escape the toxic dynamics of abusive relationships, Nadya is not shy about using her voice to address the problems she sees around her. Throughout her work, she embodies the ethos that collaboration is more powerful than individual creative genius and we are all the more grateful for her artistic adventures. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:08:38
March 31, 2021
Ep 68: Baby FuzZ
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Just like birds migrate for warmer climates, musician and producer Baby FuzZ continually uproots himself to find novel creative landscapes. Usually artists like to establish their own identity but BabyFuzZ has found that it's almost easier to inhabit the many stories and narratives that he has found along the way to create his own kaleidoscopic debut album Welcome To The Future. In a chaotic timeline, it's nice to know that he is out there collecting characters to share in his songs.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:22:49
March 24, 2021
Ep 67: Alex Somers
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Musician Alex Somers decided to change his life in one swoop, leaving behind the insular inspiring community of Reykjavik for the sunshine and sprawl of Los Angeles, Before he left, he drafted a sonic love letter to his time spent in Iceland in the form of his new double album Siblings +Siblings 2. We loved chatting with him about the duality in crafting his own narratives versus scoring films and how sometimes, we have to destroy something we made in order to create it in the first place.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
51:07
March 17, 2021
Ep. 66: The Anchoress
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Catherine Davies aka The Anchoress worked at the BBC for exactly one day before quitting and accepting funding for her masters and PhD in literature and queer theory. It was a bold choice and one that paid off, as her academic pursuits paved the way for her brilliant albums and production work with fellow artists, as well as her role as a touring member of Simple Minds. As an artist and a scholar, Davies champions the idea of "magpie-ing" which she defines as taking the shiniest bits from the world around you and shaping them into your own craft. Given the gorgeous constellation of work she has produced, it seems as though she may be onto something... Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:13:43
March 10, 2021
Ep 65: Buzzy Lee
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. During our interview, musician and writer Sasha Spielberg aka Buzzy Lee posed the question "would you rather be doing well and no one knows or appear to be thriving to everyone else but know that you're actually not doing well?" It's certainly a valuable quandary not only for artists but for everyone navigating this curious time where we are our own most captive audience. We appreciate that at least in Buzzy's world, elaborate baked goods, beautiful songs, and the art of being a cozy girl can live alongside the occasional existential ennui.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
01:05:27
March 3, 2021
Ep 64: Joshua Henry
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Joshua Henry may be best known for his Tony nominated roles on Broadway but this year, he had the opportunity to finally slow down and create his own original music. After the initial shock of not being on stage every night wore off, Henry found himself getting involved with DoSomething, a youth led organization dedicated to bettering the world through small every day actions, and delved into the joy of being a stay at home dad. We love his take on being a modern day Renaissance man that embraces empathy and exploration in all his creative endeavors. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
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February 24, 2021
Ep 63: Shamir
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This year, we've all had to embrace the idea of doing less with more and being creative with what we have at hand. Few people managed to do it better than Shamir with the release of his self titled album and the growing collection of titles on his label Accidental Pop Star. In a year of magical thinking, Shamir certainly made the best of a closet full of fabulous clothes and an open heart to the many forms creativity may take.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
53:18
February 17, 2021
Ep 62: Parson James
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Our guest Parson James knew something was up when his 2020 vision board kept falling off the wall in the middle of the night. We got to catch up on this transformative time as he pulled off signing a record deal, going through intensive trauma therapy, and navigating a proper pandemic situationship. When he's not writing hit songs, Parson is an outspoken mental health and LGBTQ+ advocate through his work with the LoveLoud Foundation and we love that he spreads the message of love and self-acceptance in a time when we all need it most.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
57:44
February 10, 2021
Ep 61: Reggie Watts
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Reggie Watts is famous for his improvisational skills so it was no surprise that we had a delightful time talking about literally everything that popped in our heads. From his brilliant project WattsApp to his collaboration with fellow genius Marc Rebillet and his work on the Late Late Show, Watts is always striving to create community and connection with his art. He says that creation is a cooperative dance with chaos and we couldn’t agree more. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon.
59:37
February 3, 2021
Ep 60: Chris Baio of Vampire Weekend
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our fourth season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. For our season opener, we spent time with Chris Baio exploring what it means to release his new solo album during a year of tumultuous events. Baio is used to being on tour non stop with Vampire Weekend and was looking forward to making good on his New Years resolution to produce other artists in his new studio but instead found himself accidentally exploring life as a kayaking bearded outdoorsman in Oregon. We all got a little weird in 2020 but we are glad that it resulted in some new songs and only a few questionable hair choices. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. You can also support us on Patreon. 
54:36
January 27, 2021
Ep 59: Tegan and Sara
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. In our last episode of 2020, we spent some virtual time in Vancouver with Tegan and Sara, who managed to accidentally get stuck in the same city just in time to work on a million lockdown projects together. Between writing a graphic novel and crafting a new album just after the release of their memoir, they also managed to raise $100k through their non profit foundation in order to help the vulnerable communities that have been most affected by COVID. In a time of chaos, it’s comforting to know that Tegan and Sara have been busy cooking up new projects, even while they are obsessively watching TikTok just like the rest of us. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:18:44
December 9, 2020
Ep 58: Tawny Newsome and Bethany Thomas
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We caught up with Tawny Newsome and Bethany Thomas to chat about their brilliant album Material Flats and how life was treating these two talented multi-hyphenates. While they were lucky and got to record the album together earlier this year, these two have spent the better part of 2020 having virtual television show premieres, navigating online theater, and learning when to take a moment to pause. From learning to engineer their own record to putting out podcasts, we are glad that they are taking a cue from the indoor kids on how to create during these strange times. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
58:04
December 2, 2020
Ep 57: Harvey Guillén of What We Do In The Shadows
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We caught up with Harvey Guillén, aka everyone’s favorite familiar Guillermo from the brilliant series What We Do In The Shadows. Between safely filming on set in Canada and delving into the world of voice acting, Harvey has been staying busy, keeping himself (and the rest of us) entertained as the time soup of 2020 drags on. From the importance of representation in the media to the joys of binge watching, Harvey’s take on this year is both hilarious and insightful, which is our personal favorite combination. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
58:29
November 18, 2020
Ep 56: Ólafur Arnalds
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Before the world shut down, Ólafur Arnalds started crafting his brilliant new album Some Kind Of Peace. Little did he know that it would be anthemic for a time when we are all tuning into our inner world for better or worse. We loved getting to hear about how he’s been rediscovering his own inner and outer landscapes writing in Reykjavik and learning from his example that to really create our best work, we sometimes have to get a little bit obsessed. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
56:24
November 11, 2020
Ep 55: Greg Saunier of Deerhoof
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This week, we got to ride a rollercoaster of emotions with Greg Saunier of Deerhoof. From learning that his music has inspired both romances and break ups to navigating life in an ever transforming band, Greg spent the last few decades collaborating with everyone from his bandmates to musicians around the world to Justin Theroux on his journey to create inspiringly delightful soundscapes. As we approach a critical election in the United States, Greg urges us all to lean into the power of transformation and social engagement as we are all navigating the wondrously strange world of 2020. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:14:46
October 28, 2020
Ep 54: Icona Pop
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. What happens when your plans to tour get canceled and you end up in Stockholm? If you happen to be Icona Pop aka Caroline Hjelt and Aino Jawo, you decide to make the best of things and throw a virtual rave spa for all your friends and fans. Caroline and Aino opened up about what it’s like to be creating a new album while staying put, as their songs are so often informed by their international travels, and the joys of relearning the pleasures of domesticity (spoiler: it involves teaching yourself how to cook all over again). We love their attitude of taking this time to become more forgiving of yourself and tuning into your own sense of purpose and community. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
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October 21, 2020
Ep 53: Perfume Genius
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We’ve all been having a bit of an out of body experience during quarantine but at least we got to chat with Perfume Genius aka Mike Hadreas about how dancing helped him connect with his body in a novel way before we all got stuck inside. As a writer and singer, he has explored some gorgeous emotional landscapes, but in dance, he found a way to express those feelings that just can’t be translated into words. Whether it’s performing on livestream to an empty theater, or channeling his inner chihuahua energy, Hadreas never fails to enthrall us. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:14:25
October 14, 2020
Ep 52: William Cashion of Future Islands
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We had the pleasure of chatting with William Cashion of Future Islands all about his new solo ambient project Postcard Music and the ways that transcendental meditation have informed his work. From collaborations with his bandmates to paintings with his wife, William creates with a calm sense of curiosity that comes from quiet introspection. We are excited to get a chance to hear his latest work with Future Islands, which was all mixed remotely during quarantine, and see where his creative journeys take him next. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:01:18
October 7, 2020
Ep 51: Aluna
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. While the world hit pause, Aluna has been busy Zooming up a storm to make the dance music world a more inclusive space for artists and audiences alike. We got to chat about the nature of ongoing social change and how she manages her activism with her creative musical life. Aluna reminded us that it’s vital to create a space where others can share their voice and to stay curious about their experiences in order to gain empathy and create better art. She asks that you check out Black Women’s Blueprint while listening to her interview. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
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September 30, 2020
Ep 50: Thirst Aid Kit
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We caught up with Nichole Perkins and Bim Adewunmi of Thirst Aid Kit right at the end of their epic run as the best podcast about female desire and cultural narratives came to a close. As producers, writers, and storytellers, both women had so much to share about the vulnerability of sharing ourselves creatively with others and the magic of a good friendship cry. We can’t wait to see what they come up with next and in the meantime, we highly recommend you laugh along with our interview then head straight over to binge every episode of theirs. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:01:43
September 23, 2020
Ep 49: Joe Wong
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Balancing his work as a tv composer, drummer, and podcaster is no easy feat but Joe Wong masters it with grace. We loved getting to chat with him about how his creative process thrives within the framework of films and in the studio, where he created his first solo project with the production help of his good friend Mary Timony. Joe reminded us that though we can learn by listening to others, comparison is the thief of joy so we should all embrace our singular creative visions. His new album Nite Creatures is out on Sept 18th and you can catch him every week on his podcast, The Trap Set. While you are listening, Joe kindly requests you support the NAACP Legal Defense Fund. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:13:05
September 16, 2020
Ep 48: Sad13 and Lustra
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. For this special double episode, we got to chat with Sad13 aka Sadie Dupuis and Lustra, aka Helena Marzec-Gołąb, about the magic of language and how it transforms our perception. When she’s not making music, Sadie spends her time crafting poetry and writing artist bios, both of which play with the power of words to shape our identity and emotions. Meanwhile, Helena studies the nuances of translating songs from English to Polish and back again, all while examining the ways our native languages affect the images and metaphors we use. Both women are passionate about helping others and request that you check out the Ef Kropka Foundation which helps support Polish mental health services. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:46:22
September 9, 2020
Ep 47: Nite Jewel
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. At the beginning of Los Angeles lockdown, we virtually sat down for a chat with Nite Jewel, aka Ramona Gonzalez, to talk about all things musical, educational, societal, and revolutionary. As a musician and music production instructor pursuing her Phd in ethnomusicology, Ramona commented on how our desire for the mythology of artists is crumbling in the face of the reality of our multifaceted and often oppressive experiences within Western culture. More than ever, artists need support and stability as well as acknowledgement of their vibrant humanity to keep creating the works we love. While listening to this episode, Ramona requests that you support the Coalition for Humane Immigration Rights. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:03:49
September 2, 2020
Ep 46: Lido Pimienta
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. When she’s not fundraising for families in Columbia or crafting visual art, Lido Pimienta is creating songs that transcend all cultural and linguistic barriers. Living a “hyphenated existence” as she puts it has given Lido a unique and beautiful perspective, one that shines through her kaleidoscopic songs and videos. We loved getting to chat with her about how she’s staying busy in her space during the lockdown and how we can all tap into our own star energy and communities to create time traveling art. While you are listening to her episode, Lido kindly requests you support the Solidarity Fund For Vulnerable Families: Columbia.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
57:20
August 26, 2020
Ep 45: Andre Henry
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. From creating collaborating projects to advocating for democratizing activism, podcaster, writer and musician Andre Henry embodies the multi-faceted life we love here on Why Not Both. Throughout our chat, Andre explained how listening deeply to people’s experience and valuing people’s voices has led to his best creative work and most meaningful participation in social movements. Andre encourages us all to be able to drop our defenses so we can be as open as possible to new perspectives and ideas. While you are listening to his episode, Andre requests that you take action with Movement For Black Lives. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:01:43
August 19, 2020
Ep 44: Ioanna Gika
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We loved getting metaphysical with Ioanna Gika. From sharing how the nature of loss and grief informed her work to discussing the finer points of how to meow a violin line, Ioanna let us catch a glimpse of her particular form of sonic sorcery. Ultimately, it’s all about staying in the present moment to let the beauty of chaos reveal itself. Ioanna has a generous humanitarian side as well, sharing that all of the proceeds of Devendra Banhart’s cover of her track “Swan” go to the Downtown Women’s Shelter in Los Angeles. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:05:60
August 12, 2020
Ep 43: AURORA
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. It’s no surprise that Aurora is spending her time in lockdown creating magical works of art such as her video Exist For Love, where she managed to find the perfect amount of pearls to craft her own headdress when quarantined alone with a pile of old vintage handbags. She is also using her own influence to host online festivals for emerging musicians to gain new fans and spoke about how collaboration can lead to the creation of art beyond our individual imaginations. At a time when so much is shifting, Aurora spoke to the importance of supporting the vision of having greater equality and sustainability in our world and we can’t agree more. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
52:33
August 5, 2020
Ep 42: Kathleen Hanna of Bikini Kill
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. What happens when you trap punk icon Kathleen Hanna at home during a pandemic? It turns out you get a mix of activism, arts and crafts, and virtual dog walks via her best friend. We chatted about how she and activist Tina Kampor started Tees 4 Togo, where for the cost of a t-shirt you can fund an entire year of education for girls in West Africa, as well as her secret past as an interior design student wanting to create a better world after encountering countless disgusting bathrooms on tour. While you listen to the interview, Kathleen requests that you investigate Tees4Togo, where 100% of the profits go to Peace Sisters, which  allows girls in Dapaong, Togo to attend school. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:08:21
July 29, 2020
Ep 41: Shalita Grant of "Search Party"
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Shalita Grant is a force to be reckoned with in the absolute best way possible. While most people know her for her roles on NCIS and Search Party, Shalita is also the brilliant and compassionate mind behind Four Naturals Hair, a haircare treatment designed especially for type 4 hair. Shalita shared her life philosophy of approaching problems with ease and play, how pole dancing helped her through her own struggles with vulnerability, and how the best way to change the world is to change our own perceptions of ourselves. To say we are fans would be an understatement. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:22:42
July 22, 2020
Ep 40: Jarvis Cocker
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. From Icelandic folktales to quarantine discos, Jarvis Cocker can likely tackle any subject with a dry wit and deep sense of sincerity. He shared that his latest batch of songs were created in collaboration not only with his band but with the fans from his last shows before lockdown, capturing the unique exchange between artists and their audience. Given our current situation, we appreciate Jarvis’ example of taking your time when creating your work, even when you wish things would move along a little faster. While you are enjoying this episode, Jarvis requests that you support Extinction Rebellion. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:12:13
July 15, 2020
Ep 39: Soko
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. It’s impossible to not get swept away by the quiet intensity of Soko’s passion for life and creativity. During our time together, we talked about the intertwining threads of motherhood, music, and movie making. Life is a balancing act and Soko spoke to the ways in which we all do our best to channel our energies into the people and projects that we love. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
53:37
July 8, 2020
Ep 38: Big Black Delta
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. In the before times, we got to spend a delightful afternoon with Jonathan Bates of Big Black Delta. We delved into the finer points of the importance of mental health care, the power of sobriety, and what it means to make art in service of others. It can take a lifetime to discover what you truly love, but Jonathan inspires us to stay curious. While you’re enjoying the episode, Bates requests that you consider donating to GoFundMe for Elijah McClain’s mother in honor of his memory and to seek justice for his family.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:04:21
July 1, 2020
Ep 37: Mxmtoon
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We dare you to find an artist more charming than Mxmtoon. She chatted with us about breaking it to her parents that she was secretly a viral Internet star with millions of streams on her songs and why she is outspoken about mental health in her music. As a biracial and openly bisexual artist, Maia proves the point that the best way to make changes is to be the hero you want to see in the world. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
48:34
June 24, 2020
Ep 36: Tolliver
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. In honor of Juneteenth, we talked with Los Angeles artist Tolliver about “I Yield My Time (F*ck You), ” his musical take on Jeremy Frisch’s now famous call into the LAPD community meeting. Turns out Tolliver has been reporting on black owned businesses in the city, crafting songs for multiple projects, and editing videos all at the same time. In true Why Not Both fashion, his work employs satire as well as pathos to embody our current times, and we couldn’t think of a better artist to celebrate today. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:02:25
June 19, 2020
Ep 35: EdoHeart
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This week we got to know Edoheart, a New York-based poet whose amazing journey has taken her into the world of rapping, producing, visual arts, and even a stint touring the world as a Butoh dancer. She told us about the nature of her divergent creative paths, how her slate of projects has allowed her to connect with people around the world, and about how we can all take part in the social uprising for Black lives happening around the world. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:21:52
June 17, 2020
Ep 34: Jehnny Beth
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This week we welcomed Jehnny Beth to the show. The Savages’ frontwoman, who also expresses herself as an actor and writer, told us about the different way love and creativity expresses itself in her life—both forces that inspired her solo album To Live is to Love. We chatted about how to shake up the creative process through unexpected collaborations and about how sometimes portraying the bad guy can be the most vulnerable act of all. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
58:04
June 10, 2020
Ep 33: Sondre Lerche
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Sondre Lerche is quite possibly the world’s most affable songwriter and burger aficionado. Between writing a collection of essays on music and crafting his upcoming album Patience (out June 5th), Sondre found time to become an avid runner and create his own live showcase with local LA musicians at Largo. It was a delight chatting with him about his transformation as an artist over his career and why persistence is the key to creativity. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:04:26
May 27, 2020
Ep 32: White Sea
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This weekend, Morgan Kibby, who performs as White Sea, told us how collaboration has been the key to her career. We also delved into the idea that creative careers don't always follow linear trajectories. From life as M83’s Keyboard Girl, to composing for Netflix and Lady Gaga, Kibby has covered a lot of artistic ground. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
56:55
May 23, 2020
Ep 31: Mark Foster
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Like everyone else Mark Foster has a lot on his mind. However, as we discussed on this week’s episode, that means the nature of creativity is much like a 4-year-old child or a skittish cat...you have to make it feel safe and welcome and be just the right amount of excited when it comes to visit. The Foster the People frontman also considered how pressure and uncertainty can be hazardous and wild but also can turn into amazing creative work—and how when we all focus on one goal, like solving how Coronavirus is affecting us, you may get amazing and unintended results. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:10:18
May 20, 2020
Ep 30: Alison Mosshart
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. What happens when you stay up until 5am learning how to edit your own music video? Alison Mosshart showed us the results of her experiments with her new singles It Aint Water and Rise. She also graciously answered our pressing questions about what to do when you’re on lockdown in the middle of a million projects, including sharing the details about how to properly paint a canvas jacket and why taking a bath is more complicated than it seems. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:03:49
May 13, 2020
Ep 29: Alice Bag
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Alice Bag is a living LA legend and we were thrilled to chat with her about her new album Sister Dynamite as well as her book Violence Girl. She exemplifies what it means to be truly punk rock, balancing her time in The Bags while teaching elementary school and later writing a book while raising her daughter. We love that Alice amplifies the voices of other women in the punk music scene through her archive on her website and keeps us moving throughout California lockdown with her Instagram work out videos. A true hero for our times. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:11:03
May 6, 2020
Ep 28: Local Natives
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Before the California lockdown began, we got to spend an afternoon at Echo Park lake with Matt and Nik of Local Natives chatting about their new album Violet Street and getting harassed by ducks. We explored the unusual creative processes that led to their new songs and what it means to have artistic interests outside of music. The guys opened up about the value of experimentation and focusing on the process of making art instead of on the end product itself. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:03:55
April 29, 2020
Ep 27: HANA
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We had way too much fun exploring musician HANA’s process making her entire album live on Twitch. From audience input about postmodern anxieties to the magic and horror of social media, HANA opened up about what it was like to collaborate 24/7 with her fans. Along the way, she discovered a unique place where vulnerability and technology coincide. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:01:01
April 22, 2020
Ep 26: Joseph Fink
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our third season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. To kick off Season 3, we chatted with Joseph Fink, creator of Welcome to Nightvale, about the extraordinary circumstances that inspired his latest podcast Our Plague Year. Fink talked about the state of the arts in America and the crucial role that creativity plays in our lives. He points out that we all want to sit in the dark and have someone tell us a story, so it’s vital to have individual and structural support for artists so they can do just that. His most recent book, The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives In Your Home, is out now.   Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
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April 15, 2020
Ep 25: Juana Molina
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We were so fortunate to spend some time with Juana Molina, who called us from Argentina to talk about her latest album and the creative surprises that have dropped into her life. She spoke about how the recent world events pushed her to live stream her latest concert and focus on slowing down, or as she put it, “every day is Sunday now.” We agree with Juana that we all can savor the opportunity to grow and change now that the world is temporarily on pause. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
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April 11, 2020
Ep 24: Hannah Marks
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Doing triple duty as a writer, actress, and director, our guest Hannah Marks is as hilarious as she is impressively talented. We chatted about the nature of female friendship, what makes open relationships work, and about the awkward timing of having springtime allergies during a pandemic. We love her new film Banana Split and can’t wait to see what she writes next. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:09:20
April 8, 2020
Ep 23: Phantogram
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Josh Carter and Sarah Barthel of Phantogram joined us to chat all about their new album Ceremony and the ups and downs of living your dreams. From recording in barns to creating the visual spellbook of your ideas, they let us into their creative process and experience of being a band for the past 13 years. Their new music is proof that that magic works, even when you don’t quite know how. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
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April 1, 2020
Ep. 22: Mara Wilson
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Writer and actress Mara Wilson (aka the voice of The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives In Your Home from Welcome To Nightvale)  joined us for an in depth, candid interview about the value or story telling and how we all create our own narratives. Wilson chatted about why her role as a mental health advocate has been so rewarding and how we all struggle with the delicate balance of doing too little or too much. She also touched on one of the deepest rivalries of all: New York vs. LA. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:06:43
March 28, 2020
Ep 21: Half Waif
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Thanks to the powers of the internet, we got to catch up with musician and producer Nandi Rose aka Half Waif during our very first week of post modern pandemic panic. We talked about her new album The Caretaker and how she was inspired by the ideas of slowing down and the act of how to care for one’s self and the world around us, which is particularly poignant for our troubled times. Her love of bird watching and quiet observation is a lesson to us all to slow down and tune in while we have the chance. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
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March 25, 2020
Ep 20: Lane Moore
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We were fortunate to get to chat with Lane Moore, who is the definition of a multi-hyphenate talent. Writer of How To Be Alone, singer of It Was Romance and brilliant host of Tinder Live which is exactly as surreal and hilarious as it sounds. She is currently hosting Tinder Live every night at 8pm EST on Twitch to keep us all company so we highly recommend you tune in as we couldn’t stop laughing throughout our whole interview. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
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March 18, 2020
Ep 19: Simon Raymonde
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We got to chat with Simon Raymonde, the bassist of dream pop legends The Cocteau Twins and owner of the indie record label Bella Union. He talked about what it was like taking several decades off of making his own music to help foster the dreams of a new generation of bands as well as his return to the stage, which included a surprising number of Mellotrons.  Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:11:56
March 11, 2020
Ep 18: U.S. Girls
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. We had the opportunity to talk to Meg Remy aka U.S. Girls in anticipation of her new album Heavy Light, out March 6th. She let us in on how the art of meditation and impermanence informs her work as a musician and a writer. As an artist, Remy shows how we can all put our own creative spin on even the most mundane moments. She encourages her audience to stay curious, especially about the art and ideas that challenge us, as those can often be the most valuable of all. Check out her latest video "4 American Dollars" now. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
59:18
March 4, 2020
Ep 17: Rob Graves
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. For this special leap year episode, Grammy nominated producer and writer Rob Graves shares the intimate process behind his stunning new album Solstice. Inspired by the untamed wilderness of Iceland, Rob’s songs speak to landscapes—both physical and emotional. Join us as we talk music, success, and his fascination with the very nature of creativity (Spoiler: no one can give you permission to be creative but yourself). Make sure you take a listen to Solstice out now. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:24:07
February 29, 2020
Ep 16: Sudan Archives
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This week, we had the pleasure of having tea with Sudan Archives at her home on a rainy LA day. From fabulous feathered gowns to serious sonic experimentation, Sudan gave us a glimpse of her wonderful world. She opened up about how sometimes life was easier when she was making donuts and how she can find inspiration anywhere she likes  (most notably, she’s been taking style cues from her pet snake Goldie). Check out her latest music video Limitless. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
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February 26, 2020
Ep 15: Best Coast
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Bethany Cosentino of Best Coast joined us this week to chat about how getting outside of her own head helped break the writer’s block she encountered before ultimately crafting her upcoming album Always Tomorrow, which comes out on Feb 21st. Ranging from political advocacy to getting sober to discovering the best menu hacks at the Cheesecake Factory, Bethany’s journey shows that sometimes the best way to get to your goal is to set your sights on the journey instead of the destination.  You can watch the video out now for the first single "Everything Has Changed" Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:03:25
February 12, 2020
Ep 14: Iceland Airwaves with Madame Gandhi, Mightybear & Penelope Isles
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Host Pam Shaffer spent a few days at Iceland Airwaves, the coolest of all music festivals, talking to artists from around the world about their passions. Madame Gandhi let us in on what it was like studying business at Harvard, Mightybear told us all about the drag scene in Iceland while Lily of Penelope Isles chatted about her life as a stick and poke tattoo artist. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
01:23:05
February 5, 2020
Ep 13: Kid Moxie
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This week’s episode features musician and actress Elena Charbila aka Kid Moxie. It’s been a big week for her as her soundtrack for the film Not To Be Unpleasant, But We Need To Have A Serious Talk just nabbed a top spot on the Apple Music front page. In true Why Not Both style, Kid Moxie also stars in the film itself. In our interview, Elena tells us all about how it’s important to embrace your imperfections and passions, as well as what it was like coming to the US as a Greek artist. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
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January 29, 2020
Ep 12: Marissa Nadler
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. This week, host Pam Shaffer chatted with Marissa Nadler about how art led to music and how music ultimately led back to art throughout the course of her life. She revealed some of the remarkable experiences she had teaching older students and how her quiet life in chilly landscapes helps to weave together the life of meticulous and passionate artist. Marissa Nadler’s newest album Droneflower is out now on Sacred Bones and Bella Union. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.
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January 22, 2020
Ep 11: Kate Nash
Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer.  For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. On our premiere episode of the season, we got to interview the fantastic Kate Nash. We met up with her over vegan cookies and PG Tips tea to chat about the versatility and vulnerability of being a musician and actor. Kate opened up about her experiences on the set of GLOW and what she has learned growing as an artist in the ever-changing landscape of the music industry. You can watch the trailer for the new documentary Underestimate The Girl which is all about her journey as an artist, watch the video for her song Bad Lieutenant and listen to her latest album Yesterday Was Forever. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter. 
01:17:37
January 15, 2020
Ep 10: Nastya Valentine
Why Not Both is a celebration of the multifaceted life. This week's episode features multimedia artist and aesthetician Nastya Valentine.
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July 26, 2019
Ep 9: Anousha Hutton
Why Not Both is a podcast about how our multiple passions shape our identity and this week's episode features visual artist, photographer and tarot reader Anousha Hutton.
51:39
July 17, 2019
Ep 8: Gigi Engle
Why Not Both is a podcast about how our multiple passions shape our identity and this week's episode features sex coach and writer Gigi Engle.
01:11:27
July 3, 2019
Ep 7: Toli Carter
Why Not Both is a podcast about how our multiple passions shape our identity and this week's episode features game designer Toli Carter.
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June 26, 2019
Ep 6: Kristin Dwan
Why Not Both is a podcast dedicated to how our multiple passions shape our identity. Join WNB host Pam Shaffer as she interviews a series of fascinating and multifaceted guests and chats about their jobs, relationships, and outlook on postmodern life. This week’s episode of Why Not Both features an interview with Kristin Dwan, who is a hynotherapist and reiki master at her practice The Healing Woods. Listen to how she quite literally was a phoenix rising from the ashes of a house fire and how music and writing dovetailed with her work in the corporate world. Make sure to check out her book Baptism By Flame to read more about her fascinating and inspiring life. The WNB theme song is Get Down by Nyxe. You can find her on Spotify and follow her for more music.You can learn more about us by heading over to our website and feel free to leave us a review if you like the show!
49:10
June 19, 2019
Ep 5: Laura Studarus
Why Not Both got to turn the tables on writer Laura Studarus and ask her about her journey as a film student to journalist back to photographer. Expect deep insights on everything from traveling the world to where to find the best snacks. You can follow along with Laura's travel journeys by hopping on her Instagram or saying hi to her on Twitter. The WNB theme song is Get Down by Nyxe. You can find her on Spotify and follow her for more music.You can learn more about us by heading over to our website and feel free to leave us a review if you like the show!
39:21
June 12, 2019
Ep 4: Lucian Kahn
Why Not Both is a podcast about how our multiple passions shape our identity and this week's episode features game developer and all round funny, creative person Lucian Kahn.
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June 5, 2019
Ep 3: Moushumi Ghose
Why Not Both is a podcast about how our multiple passions shape our identity and this week's episode features sex therapist and musician Mou Ghose.
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May 29, 2019
Ep 2: Adriana Colon
Why Not Both is a podcast dedicated to how our multiple passions shape our identity. Join WNB host Pam Shaffer as she interviews a series of fascinating and multifaceted guests and chats about their jobs, relationships, and outlook on postmodern life. This week on Why Not Both, we got to sit down with Adriana Colon, a bilingual voice actor and co-artistic director of Sacred Fools Theater in Los Angeles. A shining example of how to use two worlds to ultimately create a new one. You can check out Adriana's stellar voice work on her website. The WNB theme song is Get Down by Nyxe. You can find her on Spotify and follow her for more music.You can learn more about us by heading over to our website and feel free to leave us a review if you like the show!
49:53
May 22, 2019
Ep 1: Jason Porath
Why Not Both is a podcast about how our multiple passions shape our identity and this week's episode features writer and visual effects artist Jason Porath.
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May 7, 2019