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Hockey podcast featuring players and personalities within the sport. Unfiltered and all access. Hosted by Mack Heisinger
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Season 2 Episode 6 | Les Lazaruk

ICE BreakerFeb 04, 2022

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Season 2 Episode 6 | Les Lazaruk

Season 2 Episode 6 | Les Lazaruk

Winnipeg born WHL broadcasted Les Lazaruk joins Brian Munz and Kevin Olszewski fresh off his 2000th career broadcast in the WHL.  They recount stories, the night it was and his career in broadcast before teeing up the second half of the WHL schedule in the East Division.

Feb 04, 202229:15
Season 2 Episode 5 | Carl Stankowski

Season 2 Episode 5 | Carl Stankowski

Check out what former Winnipeg ICE Goaltender is up too and his reflections on his WHL career.

Jan 07, 202228:04
Season 2 Episode 4 | Jack Finley

Season 2 Episode 4 | Jack Finley

Meet the newest member of the Winnipeg ICE! 

Dec 07, 202111:31
Season 2 Episode 3 | Nolan Baumgartner

Season 2 Episode 3 | Nolan Baumgartner

In this episode Brian and KO are joined by Vancouver Canucks Assistant Coach Nolan Baumgartner who got his start in hockey in the WHL with the Kamloops Blazers.  Listen in for lots of great stories!

Dec 01, 202129:13
Jason Jaffray

Jason Jaffray

Brian and KO are joined by former ICE Captain Jason Jaffray who went on to have an extensive professional hockey playing career.  The way it all happened is by fate, determination and a long ride on the highway.  Listen in to hear this incredible story and more.

Oct 13, 202142:57
Owen Pederson

Owen Pederson

Brian Munz and Kevin Olszewski take over the show and bring in the WHL's Player of the Week from #WHLOpening Week in ICE forward Owen Pederson.  Listen in!

Oct 09, 202117:13
Episode 45 | 2021 NHL Draft Special

Episode 45 | 2021 NHL Draft Special

In this episode Mack transitions the show to Brian Munz who will be the new host of ICE Breaker Show.  Brian brings on four guests ahead of this years NHL Draft including Carson Lambos, Owen Pederson, Mikey Milne and Gage Alexander.  Defenseman Carson Lambos is the highest ranked WHL blueliner among North American skaters at number 11.  In 2019-20, the 18 year old had 32 points (8 goals and 24 assists) to lead all WHL rookie defenseman in scoring and was +20 in 57 games.  Owen Pederson is ranked 105th while left winger Mikey Milne is listed at 162, also among North American skaters.  Gage Alexander is ranked 28th among North American goaltenders.  Listen in to hear their plans for the weekend and the approach leading into next season!

Jul 21, 202136:26
Episode 44 | Randy Carlyle

Episode 44 | Randy Carlyle

In this episode, Mack is joined by former Winnipeg Jets 1.0 captain, Randy Carlyle.  Randy tells stories from his old Jets days and about his time as the Head Coach of the Manitoba Moose.  Randy also talks about his playing career then moving into coaching and the stops before that.  He recalls his Stanley Cup-winning year with the Anaheim Ducks and how he remembers a certain story about Teemu Selanne at the end of the game.  Listen in for all that and much more!

Jun 30, 202133:31
Episode 43 | Connor McClennon

Episode 43 | Connor McClennon

In this episode Mack is joined by Philadelphia Flyers prospect and Winnipeg ICE forward Connor McClennon.  Connor talks about the bubble season and the benefits of playing the 24 game season.  He opens up about how it helped his game and what life was like for him after the bubble.  Connor also talks about last year being drafted by the Flyers and offers some advice to his teammates that are currently in their draft year and have a chance to hear their names called in this years NHL draft.  Check it out for all that and much more!

Jun 15, 202124:12
Episode 42 | Sam Cosentino

Episode 42 | Sam Cosentino

ICYMI | In this episode Mack is joined by Sportsnet's Junior Hockey Analyst Sam Cosentino.  Sam starts the show by talking about how he got his start in sports journalism.  It wasn't the path that you might expect, or at least would have thought would lead to hockey.  He spent some time in an MLB Clubhouse prior to working on TV.  He then goes into depth about the WHL and the players to watch for ahead of this years shortened season but also the NHL Draft that is coming this year.  He takes a look inside the East Division Hub as well as around the rest of the league.

Jun 01, 202136:53
Episode 41 | Jake Heisinger

Episode 41 | Jake Heisinger

In this episode of ICE Breaker presented by Tribbute.com Mack is joined by the Vice President of Hockey Operations and Assistant General Manager of the Winnipeg ICE, Jake Heisinger.  Jake talks about the up and coming talent in the Winnipeg ICE organization.  He also chats about the season inside the East Division Bubble that just recently concluded and what it means for the younger and older players.  He also talks about the lasting impact Peyton Krebs will leave on the Winnipeg ICE Franchise and what it meant to see him play is first NHL game.

May 18, 202127:18
Episode 40 | Kevin Olszewski

Episode 40 | Kevin Olszewski

ICE Breaker show is presented by Tribbute Digital - tribbute.com/ice

In this episode of ICE Breaker Mack and AJ kick things off with some local sports talk and figure out they have gotten an Manitoba Building Trades hot take correct.  Listen in to find out which one!  Mack is then joined by local sports broadcaster Kevin Olszewski who covered the Winnipeg ICE this past season.  He talks about his journey into sports media and how it accidentally happened thanks to a certain hockey team leaving his hometown city.  Listen in for all that and much more!

May 11, 202129:24
Episode 39 | Zach Benson

Episode 39 | Zach Benson

In episode 39 Mack is joined by Winnipeg ICE first round pick from the 2020 WHL Draft Zach Benson.  Zach talks about when he found out he was going to join the ICE in the bubble, looks back on draft day and what the moment felt like when he saw his named called by the Winnipeg ICE.  Moving a bit further into this season he talks about how he found out he was going to play in the season opener and what the last year has been like for him.  Also check out AJ's Manitoba Building Trades hot take! You wont want to miss it.

Mar 29, 202120:25
Episode 38 | Owen Pederson

Episode 38 | Owen Pederson

In this weeks episode, Mack is joined by Owen Pederson from inside the Subway East Division Hub in Regina.  The ICE have kicked off their season and Owen has been a big part of their successful start.  Owen chats about the difficult offseason, the challenges of things being closed down and the unknown of when they were going to be able to play again.  Mack is then joined by Mitch Peacock who is in Regina doing play by play for the Winnipeg ICE and he gives his take on what he saw on opening week.

Mar 22, 202129:09
Episode 37 | Carson Lambos

Episode 37 | Carson Lambos

The Winnipeg ICE are less than a week away from the start of the 2021 season and we are joined by projected 1st Round NHL Draft pick and ICE defensemen Carson Lambos.  Carson talks about the success he has had playing in Regina in the past as well as how he is managing expectations this season.  Bottom line is, he is looking forward to getting out there and playing.  Mitch Peacock is back and talks more WHL and Winnipeg ICE as he recaps the first few days of training camp.  Listen in to find out about notable newcomers, returning veterans and much more!

Mar 08, 202126:33
Episode 36 | Sam Cosentino

Episode 36 | Sam Cosentino

In this episode Mack is joined by Sportsnet's Junior Hockey Analyst Sam Cosentino.  Sam starts the show by talking about how he got his start in sports journalism.  It wasn't the path that you might expect, or at least would have thought would lead to hockey.  He spent some time in an MLB Clubhouse prior to working on TV.  He then goes into depth about the WHL and the players to watch for ahead of this years shortened season but also the NHL Draft that is coming this year.  He takes a look inside the East Division Hub as well as around the rest of the league.

Mar 01, 202138:14
Episode 35 | Mitch Peacock

Episode 35 | Mitch Peacock

In today's episode we go in depth on the Western Hockey League and specifically the East Division as the season approaches.  Mitch Peacock takes an in depth look at players to watch within the East Division.  He also chats about Carson Lambos and how he is handling NHL draft predictions ahead of this season.

Feb 22, 202131:25
Episode 34 | Rod Pedersen

Episode 34 | Rod Pedersen

The WHL has announced 3 of 4 divisions have an approved start date to begin their 24 game schedules including the East Division who houses the Winnipeg ICE.  The ICE along with six other teams will play in a hub format in Regina starting on March 12th.  Mack dives deeper into the decision and the surrounding excitement with talk show host and host of The Rod Pedersen Show, Rod Pedersen.  He is excited and offers some great inside into what to expect.  Mitch Peacock then stops by to discuss the East Division in general and the players excitement leading into this shortened season.

Feb 15, 202133:19
Episode 33 | Highlights!

Episode 33 | Highlights!

In this episode, Mack takes a look back on the first 32 episodes of ICE Breaker highlighting some great stories from five different guests.  The ones chosen were good laughs, thoughtful stories and all around great episodes.  Within the features you'll hear from Mel Davidson, Cameron Cheers, Cam Moon, Randy Carlyle and last but not least, Gary Lawless and Andrew Patterson.  Later in the show, Mitch Peacock is back to talk some Western Hockey League and Winnipeg ICE!  Mack takes his best shot at trivia as AJ grills him on past back to back champions in the major sports leagues.

Feb 08, 202144:34
Episode 32 | Keith Tkachuk

Episode 32 | Keith Tkachuk

In this episode Mack and AJ test out a new game towards the end of the show and AJ is in the spotlight first.  Former Winnipeg Jet player Keith Tkachuk joins make midway through the episode to relive some great times during his NHL career.  He talks about what its like to see his sons play against each other in the all Canadian division this year in the NHL as the Flames and the Senators will see a lot of each other.  Keith also chats about their draft days and the quarantine period when his boys were both back at home.  Winnipeg ICE analyst, Mitch Peacock is back at the end of the show to talk about the WHL and the announcement of the Alberta teams getting the go ahead on their 24 game season plus much more about the Winnipeg ICE!

Feb 01, 202137:14
Episode 31 | Eddie Olczyk

Episode 31 | Eddie Olczyk

WE ARE BACK! First episode of 2021 and we're kicking it off with iconic sports figure Eddie Olczyk.  Eddie played in the NHL for a number of teams including the Winnipeg Jets and was a member of the Stanley Cup Winning New York Rangers.  Now he works as the colour broadcaster on NBC.  We talk about his playing career and some great stories that come with that as well as working along side legendary broadcaster Doc Emrick for 14 years.  Eddie chats about his battle with cancer, his book and plenty more memorable moments in his career around the National Hockey League.

Jan 25, 202141:57
Episode 30 | Brendan O'Donnell

Episode 30 | Brendan O'Donnell

In this episode, Mack is joined by professional hockey player Brendan O'Donnell.  Brendan grew up in Winnipeg and played for the Winnipeg Blues of the MJHL prior to extending his career at the University of North Dakota.  After that, Brendan played in the ECHL in Florida and has a stint in the AHL prior to taking his career to Europe where he currently is playing.  He discusses his time playing on Jaromir Jagr's team and some great stories from his experiences.  This is the final episode of ICE Breaker in 2020, we look forward to talking to you in the new year!

Dec 14, 202030:06
Episode 29 | Cameron Cheers

Episode 29 | Cameron Cheers

In this episode, Mack is joined by Cameron Hughes or better known as Cameron Cheers.  Cameron just released his new book, The Kind of Cheer, and chats about that.  Cameron is a well known super fan who goes to sporting events around the world to pump up crowds.  He has been at the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Finals, Olympic Gold Medal Hockey Games and once found himself centre court at the US Open with Novak Djokovic! Listen in for all that and more in episode 29 of ICE Breaker

Dec 07, 202027:53
Episode 28 | Cam Moon

Episode 28 | Cam Moon

Cam Moon, the play-by-play voice of the Red Deer Rebels joins the show from inside Team Canada's World Junior Camp.  Although shut down due to COVID-29, Cam shares what he's seen so far through two Red and White Games.  He talks about the depth of the team and all of the current WHL'ers who are attending the camp.  Cam also talks about how he got to where he is and why he loves it so much.  

Mack and AJ banter about sports, donating to movember, and the ICE virtual teddy bear toss!  Tune in for all that and more.

Nov 30, 202030:30
Episode 27 | Randy Carlyle

Episode 27 | Randy Carlyle

In this episode, Mack is joined by former Winnipeg Jets 1.0 captain, Randy Carlyle.  Randy tells stories from his old Jets days and about his time as the Head Coach of the Manitoba Moose.  Randy also talks about his playing career then moving into coaching and the stops before that.  He recalls his Stanley Cup-winning year with the Anaheim Ducks and how he remembers a certain story about Teemu Selanne at the end of the game.  Listen in for all that and much more!

Nov 23, 202029:52
Episode 26 | Junior Night in Manitoba

Episode 26 | Junior Night in Manitoba

In this episode Mack and AJ recount the week that was in sports including the Master's, UFC, Boxing and the NFL before talking about their #Movember goal in raising money for mens mental health awareness.  Listen in to find out what the incentive is for donating.  Later in the show, Mack is joined by the founder and creator of Junior Night in Manitoba, Scott Stroh.  Scott talks about why he created JNiM and what he loves so much about covering junior hockey in Manitoba.  If you don't follow the account, we would highly recommend it.  Scott is great at covering the whole province and giving junior players a platform.

Nov 16, 202030:10
Episode 25 | James Patrick

Episode 25 | James Patrick

In this episode, Mack is joined by Winnipeg ICE Head Coach James Patrick who shares stories about his lengthy career in the National Hockey League.  They also talk about his transition into coaching after not talking a break after retiring from playing.  How the role changed and what it was like to coach 12 players that he was teammates with the year before.  James also shares why he loves coaching junior hockey so much.  Mack and AJ are also growing out their Mo's for Movember and raising money for Men's Mental Health Awareness.  Please donate if you are able!

Nov 09, 202033:10
Episode 24 | Nigel Dawes

Episode 24 | Nigel Dawes

Mack is joined by ICE Franchise leading goal scorer and KHL legend, Nigel Dawes.  Nigel played 212 games in the NHL, 232 games in the AHL, and now has played 510 games in the KHL.  Nigel was part of the 03-04 and 04-05 Canadian World Junior Teams.  Nigel talks about the World Juniors in 04-05 being the highlight of his hockey career as well as being apart of the Memorial Cup-winning ICE team to start his WHL career.  He also talks about his first NHL goal and game and the transition to the KHL.

Nov 02, 202024:24
Episode 23 | Conor Geekie & Matt Savoie

Episode 23 | Conor Geekie & Matt Savoie

In this episode of ICE Breaker, Mack is joined by former first and second overall picks in the Western Hockey League Draft Matt Savoie and Conor Geekie.  Conor is currently suiting up for the MJHL's Virden Oil Capitals and Matt is playing for the AJHL's Sherwood Park Crusaders.  Both players talk about making the jump to a full-time spot in the WHL this season as well as how great it is to be back playing hockey!

Oct 26, 202022:34
Episode 22 | Mel Davidson

Episode 22 | Mel Davidson

In this episode, Mack is joined by former Canadian Women's National Team Head Coach Mel Davidson.  Mel spent time as the head coach, assistant coach, general manager, and head scout of the Canadian Women's National Team while with Hockey Canada.  During her time she won 4 Olympic Gold Medals and 5 World Championships.  Mel talks about the Olympics and how far women's hockey has come over the last 30 years.  She talks about what she is doing now with Own the Podium as well as what she is doing with the Winnipeg ICE of the Western Hockey League.

Oct 19, 202029:25
Episode 21 | Jim Montgomery

Episode 21 | Jim Montgomery

In this episode, Mack is joined by former Dallas Stars Head Coach and current St. Louis Blues Assistant Coach Jim Montgomery or 'Monty' as he's known by.  Monty talks about his lengthy playing career after being undrafted.  He talks about the perseverance it takes and how if you don't get drafted it's still the beginning of a long road.  He then goes into his coaching career and how it started along with the highs and lows that go with it.

Oct 12, 202025:46
Episode 20 | NHL Draft Special

Episode 20 | NHL Draft Special

In this episode, Mack is joined by Central Scouting ranked players Connor McClennon, Owen Pederson, and Ben Zloty ahead of the 2020 NHL Draft that takes place next week.  They players chat about their mindset leading into the draft and some advice they have received prior to the day.  Later in the episode, Mack is joined by Mitch Peacock, the play-by-play announcer for the Winnipeg ICE who had the chance to watch all three of these players all year long.  Mitch chats about the players on-ice talent but also the young men they are off the ice.

Oct 05, 202035:48
Episode 19 | Ryan Guenter

Episode 19 | Ryan Guenter

In this episode, Mack is joined by Winnipeg ICE Scout Ryan Guenter.  Prior to joining the ICE, Ryan was a long-time scout for the Victoria Royals organization including two years as the team's Head Scout.  Ryan also has his master's degree in sports psychology that he uses to help develop and talk to young athletes who are working their way to the next level.  Tune in for some in-depth conversation about what it takes to move onto the next level.

Sep 28, 202028:29
Episode 18 | Brad McEwen

Episode 18 | Brad McEwen

In today's episode, Mack is joined by former Hockey Canada Head Scout and current Vegas Golden Knights scout, Brad McEwen.  Brad chats about picking world junior teams and winning championships with Team Canada.  Before Brad was with Hockey Canada, he worked in the Western Hockey League for many years where he won the leagues award for WHL Executive of the Year.

Sep 21, 202036:16
Episode 17 | Brian Munz

Episode 17 | Brian Munz

In today's episode, Brian Munz from TSN joins the show.  Brian covers the Jets and does colour commentary on the radio.  Mack and Brian chat about his start in the SJHL and then his move up to the WHL where he covered the Prince Albert Raiders for 5 seasons and now he covers the NHL in Winnipeg.

Sep 14, 202033:34
Episode 16 | Josh Green & Taras McEwen

Episode 16 | Josh Green & Taras McEwen

In this special episode 16, Mack is joined by the first head coach and general manager in Winnipeg Freeze franchise history to talk about the team and position.  He shares how excited he is and what an opportunity it will be for him to embark on this challenge.  We are also joined by the head coach and general manager of the Winnipeg Blues, Taras McEwen.  They talk rivalry before the puck drops and what two Winnipeg teams means for the MJHL.

Sep 10, 202025:21
Episode 15 | Dawson Barteaux

Episode 15 | Dawson Barteaux

In today's episode, Winnipeg ICE defenseman and Dallas Stars Prospect Dawson Barteaux joins the show.  Dawson opens up about his summer and the challenging times he has gone through.  Mack also asks Dawson about his draft day and how he handled the pressure of the unknown during the day... it might have involved a little bit of golf.  Dawson also chats about how he found out he was being signed by the Dallas Stars ahead of the 2019-20 WHL season.

Sep 07, 202034:11
Episode 14 | Bradley Parker

Episode 14 | Bradley Parker

In episode 14 of ICE Breaker, Mack is joined by Western Hockey League linesman, Bradley Parker.  Mack and Brad chat about what it's like to be an official and how the transition from playing to officiating took place.  Brad talks about being an official and what his goals are moving forward as well as what it's like being on the ice in sold-out arenas and long overtime playoff games.

Aug 31, 202029:01
Episode 13 | Ken Wiebe

Episode 13 | Ken Wiebe

In today's episode, Sportsnet's Ken Wiebe joins the show and chat about the ways journalism has changed over the years pre COVID-19.  Mack also gets into the challenges that COVID-19 has brought to the journalism field.  Ken talks about how accommodating the NHL and other major sports leagues have been to the media in these unprecedented times.  Listen to see what Ken misses the most about the "old ways" of doing things.

Aug 24, 202035:17
Episode 12 | Peyton Krebs

Episode 12 | Peyton Krebs

We head inside the NHL's Bubble as Winnipeg ICE Captain and Vegas Golden Knights prospect Peyton Krebs joins the show from Edmonton.  Peyton is in the bubble with the Golden Knights and although he has yet to play he is on the ice with the team every day.  We chat about what is going on inside the bubble, how he passes time and what he enjoys most about living the NHL lifestyle.

Aug 17, 202034:13
Episode 11 | Rod Pedersen

Episode 11 | Rod Pedersen

Mack is joined by Rod Pedersen, the host of the Rod Pedersen Show which covers all sports Monday to Friday on Facebook Live and Game + Network on TV.  They chat about the NHL restart, MLB restart, NBA restart, and much more.  Rod offers his opinions on the return to play protocols and what might happen with the CFL.

Aug 10, 202028:28
Episode 10 | Murat Ates

Episode 10 | Murat Ates

HOCKEY IS BACK! In today's episode, Mack sits down with Murat Ates who covers the Winnipeg Jets for The Athletic.  They talk about the NHL's return to play, what has changed for media professionals such as Murat and the Jets vs Flames.  Murat tells us what it's going to take for the Jets to make a deep playoff run this year and who the difference-maker in the series needs to be.  Hint, he is the front runner for the Vezina Trophy as the NHL's best goaltender.

Aug 03, 202038:51
Episode 9 | Madison Bowey

Episode 9 | Madison Bowey

In today's episode, Western Hockey League Champion, World Junior Champion, and Stanley Cup Champion Madison Bowey joins the show and talks about his journey to the NHL. He opens up about being inside the Capitals room during their run to the Stanley Cup and what it felt like to finally beat the Penguins. Madison grew up and played in the Winnipeg Minor Hockey System.
Jul 27, 202033:50
Episode 8 | Hustler & Lawless

Episode 8 | Hustler & Lawless

In this episode, AJ and Mack talk about the week that was and draft the top six songs that are most associated with sports.  Then Gary Lawless (Vegas Golden Knights Insider) and Andrew "Hustler" Paterson join the show and relive the old days of Huster & Lawless.  Gary and Hustler talk about how their careers got started, some of the things that got them in trouble along the way, and a whole lot more.  Also find out about their fights on air and what took place during and after to keep these two long time friends, buddies in the end.

Jul 20, 202044:19
Episode 7 | Dave Cameron

Episode 7 | Dave Cameron

In today's episode, Mack is joined by guest co-host AJ Leite and they recap the week of sports that was before Mack chats with the Head on ice instructor from Jets Hockey Development, Dave Cameron.  Dave talks about his journey to where he is now and about the new offseason that started a little bit early.  Dave gives his thoughts on the NHL return to play and what the players he works with have been doing during this time of uncertainty.  Dave also talks about how important individual development is and where the future of hockey development is heading.

Jul 13, 202036:22
Episode 6 | Kelly Moore

Episode 6 | Kelly Moore

We are joined by the Director of Sports at 680 CJOB, Kelly Moore.  Kelly began his broadcasting career in the late 70's with the Kamloops Blazers who went onto 3 Memorial Cups and then became the voice of the Winnipeg Jets 1.0 and then the Manitoba Moose for 10 seasons.  Kelly talks about the early days, what he has seen change in the game and some of the best players he has ever seen play the game of hockey.  Listen in for an in-depth conversation with one of the best voices in the sport.

Jul 06, 202033:15
Episode 5 | Calvin Pickard

Episode 5 | Calvin Pickard

We are joined by Calvin Pickard who plays for the Detroit Red Wings (NHL) and Grand Rapids Griffins (AHL).  Calvin grew up and played in the Winnipeg Minor Hockey system before becoming the starting goaltender for the Seattle Thunderbirds in the WHL at just 16 years old.  He was drafted by the Colorado Avalanche in the 2nd round of the 2010 NHL Draft.  We talk about his first start, his path to the NHL, his WHL days and much more in this in depth interview with the man behind the mask.

Jun 29, 202024:14
Episode 4 | Scott Oake

Episode 4 | Scott Oake

We are joined by the host of Hockey Night in Canada's After Hours, Scott Oake who talks about his journey to Hockey Night in Canada and After Hours from his humble beginnings in the '70s.  He got his job completely bi-accident and the rest is history.  We recount his favourite memories over the years and what he enjoys most about his work as a sportscaster.  We also chat about the Bruce Oake Recovery Centre that is being built in Winnipeg, MB in honour of his late son Bruce who lost his battle with addiction.

Jun 22, 202029:30
Episode 3 | Peter Stoykewych

Episode 3 | Peter Stoykewych

We are pleased to be joined by former Manitoba Moose Captain who recently retired from professional hockey, Peter Stoykewych.  Peter is a Winnipeg born player who played in the Winnipeg Minor Hockey system and then moved on to the Winnipeg Blues of the MJHL and eventually found himself as the captain of the Manitoba Moose.  Hear what he says about having the opportunity to play at home and when he found out he was going to be the captain of the team he grew up watching! 

Jun 15, 202025:24
Episode 2 | Chris Driedger

Episode 2 | Chris Driedger

We are joined by Florida Panthers goaltender Chris Driedger who chats about the NHL return to play format and what he is looking forward tot he most.  He also opens up about his path to the NHL and how it always wasn't in one direction.  The former Calgary Hitmen and Tri-City American talks about his time in the Western Hockey League as well and how it helped shape him into the person and player he is today.

Jun 08, 202029:46