
The Careers Without Four Years Podcast
By Melanie Dunn


How NOT to Dropout of School with Evelyn Van Til
It’s graduation season but the truth is, most people who enroll in college dropout, never getting the degree they signed up for. How can you beat the odds and maximize your investment in a college or certificate program?
In today’s episode, you will learn:
- How to organize your schedule so that you take classes in the optimal order to succeed academically and graduate on time.
- How to leverage the innate desire in all people to help one another to get support, increase accountability, improve your grades, and lower stress.
Studies show that there are three general reasons people drop out. Thirty-eight percent say they ran out of money. About thirty percent are not academically prepared to do post-secondary work, and the remainder has personal or family challenges.
My guest today is Evelyn Van Til. Evelyn is currently a Strategic Partnership Manager at American Student Assistance, a national nonprofit changing the way middle and high schoolers learn about careers and navigate education-to-career opportunities.
Almost in passing Evelyn recounted an experience she had during her tenure at The Ohio State University. I felt that this was something that more people, and by this I mean a LOT more people, especially students or prospective ones, should know about.
While at Ohio State, Evelyn achieved something extraordinary: in just two years, she turned dropout rates on their head and cut the time to graduation in half. When she came on board, her program had a 90% dropout rate, when she left, 91% of students graduated and time-to-graduation rates dropped from an average of 7-9 years to a very reasonable 4-5 years.
How did she do this? It turns out that the way students organized their classes and themselves had almost everything to do with whether or not they graduated and how fast they did it.
First, Evelyn reduced confusion about schedules, replacing vagueness and uncertainty with focus and confidence.
On the administration side, Evelyn worked with instructors, focussing on how she could help students pace their classes and providing a four or five-year framework for graduation. Beginning during orientation, a time when many students wander around with only a vague sense of how to set up a schedule, Evelyn provided guidance in the creation of schedules. She cleared up some common misconceptions about when to take required courses.
Second, she leveraged the innate desire of people to help one another.
When possible, Evelyn enrolled students together in their chosen fields of study. She encouraged them to ask for “study buddies” and to develop accountability partners and study groups.
Many of her students had never been on their own. So they needed to learn how to be accountable for their success, beginning with showing up for classes regularly. Having a buddy to check with increased attendance. Having study partners and groups allowed students to reinforce their learning by explaining it to others and/or to get the help they needed.
All this social organization undoubtedly reduced stress.
Links:
Facts and figures about college graduation dropout rates: https://educationdata.org
American Student Assistance https://www.asa.org
Evelyn van til https://linkedin.com/in/evelynvantil

7 High Paying Trades and How to Get Into Them Fast & Free
It's 2022, let's go over seven high-paying trades. I'll tell you what nobody does: how you can get into them fast without a costly trade school. I'll also explain wages. Salaries vary as much as 30% across the nation. I'll show you how to find the salary range for your state. The figures I give you are just the mean wages (the summary of all wages earned for a job divided by the number of folks doing them).
All you need to enter a trade is your high school diploma or GED. In addition to electrician and plumber, learn about becoming a solar panel installer, HVAC tech, aviation mechanic, welder, or telecom line installer. You can enter some trade jobs after as little as six months of on-the-job training!
With overtime, most of these jobs pay better than bachelor's degrees and can earn you as high as pay $100k. If you run your own plumbing or electrical business you can expect to earn $100-150k, no college degree required! Understand what you can really earn and how long it takes to get training as well as how to find how much you will earn in your state. The fact is, there are many employers that will train you for free!
I've interviewed a bunch of these folks in previous episodes. Don't forget to look for them.
Ooops! I forgot to say that welders make an average of $44,000.
1) Telecom Line Installers and Repairers
Median pay: $68,000 explain
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/installation-maintenance-and-repair/line-installers-and-repairers.htm
Entry: high school diploma
Many apprenticeships: offering wages, health ins. 401k, and vacation pay
Training: up to two years
Job demand: Flat
You will be working on towers 100+ feet tall with a 50 lb
Safe Climbing Practices, Procedures, and Rescue Plans
Flexible with shift work, to include maintenance window and weekends if needed
There are many free training programs offered by cable companies. You can also find apprenticeship programs in which you are paid wages while you are training.
2.) Solar Panel Installer
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/construction-and-extraction/solar-photovoltaic-installers.htm
Mean annual wage $46,470
Entry: high school diploma
Many apprenticeships: offering wages, health ins. 401k, and vacation pay
Hourly wages
Job demand: High growth through 2030
An entry point into a construction career.
Many solar companies will train you. Training will take a year or less. Most solar panel installations are done outdoors, but PV installers sometimes work in attics and crawl spaces to connect panels to the electrical grid. Installers also must travel to jobsites.
High growth: 52%
Look for Solar Installer – Electrical apprentice openings

Ladies, Trades Careers Are STEAM Careers And Other Great Ideas to Bring More Women Into the Trades

Start a Career in Aviation and Earn $70k With No College Degree
Aircraft mechanics are among the highest paid careers in the trades. The one-year A&P certificate will earn you an average pay of $70,000. These technicians are in high demand in all 50 states. Find out how to find apprenticeships and affordable training at community college programs. All you need is a high school diploma or GRE to get an Aircraft and Powerplant certificate.
Hear Walt Constantini, Director of Aviation Programs at Mohawk Valley Community College explain Mohawk's year-long, low-cost A&P certification program. He gives advice on how to find a good A&P training program and how to find a Delta A&P apprenticeship (no student loan debt)! You'll also learn about the planes you will learn on, wages, job sites, and future technologies aircraft mechanics will work on including electric helicopters.
Links:
Mohawk Valley Community College https://www.mvcc.edu/
- Mohawk Valley Community College YouTube video: https://youtu.be/HMxU2PZHNY4
- Here's another MVCC YouTube aviation video: https://youtu.be/DlDOsk62PIA
Bureau of Labor Statistics Occupational Outlook Handbook: https://bit.ly/3DyUyuA
Apprenticeships: https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Jobs/Aircraft-Mechanic-Apprenticeship
Chapters
00: Learn how a certificate can start your career in aviation
51: Job demand 1:00 Program overview
5:22 Planes you will train on
6:30 Job sites including corporate, military, and others
7:30 Future electric vehicles you will work on
10:53 Academic requirements
12:04 Program description
13:04 Cost comparisons v. college grads
14:10 Financial aid and costs
17:50 Satisfactions of a career in the trades

Advanced Manufacturing and Two Good Jobs That Earn $40-$100k
What is Advanced Manufacturing? Today, it includes million-dollar machines, logistics, IOT, and cybersecurity. Ray Thomas, Dean of Advanced Manufacturing explains this industry and tells us about two good jobs that don't require four-year degrees.
Mechatronics and welding are two manufacturing jobs that pay well. They don't require four-year degrees, either. You can earn a welding certificate in six months and become a mechatronics professional with a two-year Associates degree. If you live in a state with a lot of manufacturers - such as South Carolina, California, Indiana, or Georgia, you will find it easy to get a job.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics Occupational Outlook Handbook, the mean average wage for welders is $44,200 https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes514122.htm The mean average wage for mechatronics is $59,800. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/electro-mechanical-technicians.htm
The mean average wage of bachelor's degree holders is $51,212 (average across all degrees)
Remember, wages vary by part of country. Check your state here: https://www.careeronestop.org/Toolkit/Wages/find- salary.aspx?frd=true
Make sure to choose your provider carefully. A community college is usually much more affordable and has more grant money than a four-profit trade school. In addition, many community colleges have relationships with employers. There are more opportunities for grants and apprenticeships. There are also for-profit providers that do not confer marketable degrees, will charge you several times the tuition of a community college, and offer you less grant money.

Medical Assistant Career-A Day In The Life With Ellen Murphy
Medical assistants do not need college degrees. They need to pass a Registered Medical Assistant exam certification through American Medical Technologists (AMT) that usually takes 5-9 months. Any training program should offer classroom instruction and clinical experience (in a medical facility).
Contact your state Department of Labor to learn about free training programs.
To save money, always go to your local community college first before checking out programs offered by other providers. Community colleges usually have lower tuitions and more access to grant monies.
Jobs for medical assistants are expected to grow 18% between 2020-2030. For information about wages and types of job sites for a medical assistant: Bureau of Labor Statistics: htpts://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/medical-assistants.htm The mean annual wage for medical assistants is $36,000. Phlebotomists: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/phlebotomists.htm mean wage $36,000. Surgical technologists: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/surgical-technologists.htm mean wage $50,000.

Lou Spencer: from Customer Service to Network Engineer with one $3000 certificate
A network engineer explains how to learn a high-paying IT job with no college. Lou Spencer was working in customer service when she earned a $3000 entry-level IT certificate in network engineering and doubled her income. Lou is flourishing in a career where black, female IT professionals are only 3% of the tech workforce. She tells you how you can, too! Today she earns well over $100,000 a year. She claims that you don't need to be good at math. She has been successful because she keeps learning new certifications and stays abreast of new IT trends such as Artificial Intelligence.
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Bureau of Labor Statistics Occupational Outlook Handbook: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/network-and-computer-systems-administrators.htm
Some statistics about women and people of color in the IT workforce: https://builtin.com/women-tech/women-in-tech-workplace-statistics
Stack Overflow's website https://stackoverflow.com and podcast, "The Overflow" is a great place to learn about IT careers.
You can sometimes find network engineering certification classes at community colleges.
Good online providers of certification classes include: Amazon Cloud Services: https://acloudguru.com/pricing Explore the site on the free plan to see career paths Azure.com CISCO - CCNA and other certifications https://www.cisco.com/

5 Ways To Save Money On College
FIVE WAYS TO SAVE MONEY ON COLLEGE
Save thousands of dollars on college by doing some homework that may even net you free training.
Notes on today's episode:
- Career Key Assessment - There's a version for high school students and another for adults.
- How and where to be assessed for a possible learning disability
- Why People Drop Out of College

Menelik Puryear - Fashion Photographer

Ayaz Porter - Solar and Green Construction

Tony Amos - Software Developer
Today’s guest is Tony Amos, Founder of Anthony Software Group. Tony shares about his career in software development, about diversity, and being Black in tech. Enjoy hearing about some highlights of his career including running the technology division for a $10 billion hedge fund, why passion is essential to career success, and the joy of "creating something that didn't exist before."
In today's episode you will learn:
- How a person of color built a successful career in tech.
- What a software developer does.
- How to tell if software development might be right for you.
Links to further career education and information on this episode:
- Anthony Software Group
- Per Scholas: Free tech training program
- Apprenti: Free tech apprenticeship program
- Software Engineer, Software Developer Employment Outlook, earnings, and job description

Careers in the Trades with Roger Wakefield
Want to earn more money than many college grads and avoid the dreaded job in a "cube"? High wages, NO debt! Find out about careers in the trades from one of the smartest people around: expert plumber and social media influencer extraordinaire Roger Wakefield.
In this episode, you will learn:
- How a sense of mastery, excellence, and camaraderie makes careers in the trades more rewarding than some “white collar” jobs;
- How the ability to listen, show up, and apply yourself will help you develop a successful and lucrative profession;
- Why you will be earning more money in the trades than many college grads.
Roger's YouTube channel:
The Trades Academy - Roger's mini-courses about careers in Construction, including how to find the trade right for you.

Financial Aid 101 with David Socolow, Executive Director of the HIgher Education Student Assistance Authority (HESAA)

Carly Poppe - Diagnostic Medical Sonographer
Listen to Carly's story and find out about one of the hottest fields in healthcare today!
In this episode you'll learn:
- If a career in diagnostic medical sonography may be right for you;
- How to avoid costly for-profit college enrollment schemes;
- What to look for when choosing an education provider.
Want to find out more? See how much you can earn as a diagnostic medical sonographer and learn about the job duties and career paths associated with it? The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics has this info.
To find an accredited program near you visit the Commission on Accreditation of Allied Health Education Programs.

Stephen Madrosen - From Retail Store Manager to Union Electrician
