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Dancing Around Elephants Podcast
By Danelle DIckson
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Dancing Around Elephants PodcastAug 27, 2021
![๐พ๐๐๐ก๐ซ๐๐ง ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐๐ง๐ค ๐๐ฉ 3: ๐พ๐ค๐ข๐ข๐ช๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐ฎ ๐๐จ ๐๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ง](https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/production/podcast_uploaded_episode400/14904338/14904338-1630040722392-c0a0a5eb2bd16.jpg)
๐พ๐๐๐ก๐ซ๐๐ง ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐๐ง๐ค ๐๐ฉ 3: ๐พ๐ค๐ข๐ข๐ช๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐ฎ ๐๐จ ๐๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ง
๐ฟ๐๐ฃ๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ผ๐ง๐ค๐ช๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ก๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ฃ๐ฉ๐จ: ๐พ๐๐๐ก๐ซ๐๐ง ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐๐ง๐ค ๐๐ฉ 3
๐พ๐ค๐ข๐ข๐ช๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐ฎ ๐๐จ ๐๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐๐ง
Weโre back with the the last of 3 parts with this incredible artiste. We talk about issues with job scarcity during the pandemic, learning to pivot with creativity and being open to learn in a noisy dance world. Chalvar talks nourishing your inner child and also the important role that leadership in dance , and wraps up his convo with his favorite things.
๐๐: @๐๐๐ก๐ซ๐ง๐ข๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ง๐ค
#dancerselfadvocacy #danceradvocacy #dancermentorship #danceinjuries #Classicaldance #blackboysdancetoo #blackballerina
![๐พ๐๐๐ก๐ซ๐๐ง ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐๐ง๐ค ๐๐ฉ 2: ๐๐ซ๐๐ฃ ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ค๐ช๐ง ๐ซ๐ค๐๐๐๐จ ๐จ๐๐๐ ๐๐จ, ๐จ๐๐ฎ ๐จ๐ค๐ข๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ๐!](https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/production/podcast_uploaded_episode400/14904338/14904338-1629502496502-168366930b10e.jpg)
๐พ๐๐๐ก๐ซ๐๐ง ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐๐ง๐ค ๐๐ฉ 2: ๐๐ซ๐๐ฃ ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ค๐ช๐ง ๐ซ๐ค๐๐๐๐จ ๐จ๐๐๐ ๐๐จ, ๐จ๐๐ฎ ๐จ๐ค๐ข๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ๐!
๐ฟ๐๐ฃ๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ผ๐ง๐ค๐ช๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ก๐๐ฅ๐๐๐ฃ๐ฉ๐จ: ๐พ๐๐๐ก๐ซ๐๐ง ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐๐ง๐ค ๐๐ฉ 2
๐๐ซ๐๐ฃ ๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ค๐ช๐ง ๐ซ๐ค๐๐๐๐จ ๐จ๐๐๐ ๐๐จ, ๐จ๐๐ฎ ๐จ๐ค๐ข๐๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ๐!
We are back with artist, teacher, dancer Chalvar Montiero. We talk about his emotions around another major injury and the necessity of listening to your physical and emotional body. We talk about how his work ethic has allowed him to show up with full confidence in challenging situations, his talents in education, and thoughts on leadership, and innovation and mental health.ย
๐๐: @๐๐๐ก๐ซ๐ง๐ข๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ง๐ค
#dancerselfadvocacy #danceradvocacy #dancermentorship #danceinjuries #Classicaldance #blackboysdancetoo #blackballerina
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Chalvar Monteiro Part 1
๐๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐๐ง๐๐ฉ๐ฎ ๐๐ฃ ๐ฟ๐๐ฃ๐๐
Chalvar does not hold back- you want to listen to this one! We talk about his origins and jump right into conversations around the influence of race in classical dance roles. We chat about his joy in joining the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater, the experience of fatigue and injury as he navigated his performances, and also the lessons of embracing the your unique qualities as a dancer. Lastly, we chat about value of mentorship and self -advocacy in the dance world.ย
๐๐: @๐๐๐ก๐ซ๐ง๐ข๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ง๐ค
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: John Sovec, LFMT Part 2
๐ฝ๐ง๐๐ฃ๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ก๐๐๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ฉ๐ค ๐ฎ๐ค๐ช๐ง ๐ฌ๐ค๐ง๐ ๐ซ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ค๐ง๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐ก๐๐ซ๐
We continue our conversation with therapist John Sovec. We talk about more viable tools to check in with where you are mentally , Nutrition and its connection to mental health and busting the myth that dancers feel alone in struggling in mental health issues. John gives us his go to resources for mental health management and touches on how to bring richness and depth to your career as a dancer.
https://johnsovec.com/
IG: @johnsovectherapy
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: John Sovec, LFMT Part 1
๐ ๐ฒ๐ป๐๐ฎ๐น ๐๐ป๐ท๐๐ฟ๐ ๐ถ๐ ๐ป๐ผ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ธ๐ป๐ฒ๐๐, ๐ถ๐โ๐ ๐ถ๐ป๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ๐บ๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป
This is such a timely conversation as we witness the 2021 Olympics in Japan and the conversations around mental health. I talk with Therapist and Coach John Sovec, who talks about how his career in theater fueled his passion to pursue his second career: therapy and coaching. He talks about the controversial but common place practice of dancing through injuries against your better judgement, rediscovering your power as a performer to shape the accepted narratives in your career and gives us amazing tools to reframe the power dynamic in the dance world to put you- the dancer - first.
https://johnsovec.com/
IG: @johnsovectherapy
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Tamisha Guy Part 2
Redefining the Standard of Dance
I continue Part #2 of our conversation with Tamisha Guy. We chat about her thoughts on the thing essential for dancer's success including the use of cross training. We also chat about changes that are necessary in the dance world regarding pay equity, opportunity and racial equity, and the economic realities of being a dancer and how it affects our choices.
Instagram: @tamishaguy
www.tamishaguy.com
Tamishaguy@yahoo.com
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Tamisha Guy Part 1
Claiming Dance as a part of my life
In this Episode, we get an introduction to Dance Magazineโs 25 Top Dancers to Watch List in 2016 dancer Tamisha Guy. A native of Trinidad and Tobago, she also won the 2016 Princess Grace Award, and in 2017, she was named one of the Best Dancer's of the Year by Dance Europe. Tamisha talks about her entry into dance world, her experience with injuries and her unusual form of cross training: boxing!
Instagram: @tamishaguy
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Kel Jones of Freed of London, USA, Part 2
Dancing Outside of the Box
We continue our conversation with Kel as she talks more about her work with Freed of London . We chat about her entry into the company, her work with producing the 1st line of pointe shoes for dancer of color from a 90 year old company, and her role in creating a movement where dancers of colors can perform in the skin they live in. We also touch on the reluctance of industry leaders and dancers to embrace this product, and her vision for creating spaces for people that donโt have access to dance in her hometown of Guyana, a place close to her heart and her heritage
@kjonesdance
@ms_k.jones
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Rachel Fine of To The Pointe Nutrition , Part 2
๐๐๐๐ง๐ฃ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ง๐๐๐๐๐ฉ๐ ๐ฎ๐ค๐ช๐ง ๐๐ค๐๐ฎ.
We continue our conversation with Rachel Fine. Rachel talks talk about issues that the pandemic has brought with disordered eating, Her ideas on intuitive eating, and the intersectionality between body type, structure and nutrition in the dance world. She also reveals The Healthy Dancer Summer Intensive - a special intensive aimed at creating healthy, well rounded performers.
https://www.instagram.com/tothepointenutrition/
https://dancenutrition.com
https://dancenutrition.com/healthy-summer-intensives-2021/
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Kel Jones of Freed of London, USA, Part 1
Success is where opportunity meets preparation
I talk with Kel Jones, The Head of Marketing of Freed of London, USA, and first woman of color to hold a major position at the 90 year old pointe shoe company. I talk to Kel about her introduction to dance, her first injury, and how an injury changed her approach to using her voice in the dance world to create positive change.
@kjonesdance
@ms_k.jones
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Rachel Fine of To The Pointe Nutrition , Part 1
๐๐ช๐ฉ๐ง๐๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐๐ก ๐พ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ค๐ง ๐ฟ๐๐ฃ๐๐๐ง๐จ
This is the first convo with Rachel Fine, registered dietician nutritionist and creator of To The Pointe Nutrition. We talk about Rachelโs experience in the dance world with injuries and the lessons she learned. We also talk how she started her journey into nutrition, and the creation of her practice born out of the experiences she had as young dancer. We also touch on how the expectations in Dance can lead to body dsymorphias, and systemic issues with food availability and oppression.
Website: https://pointenutrition.com/
Instagram: @tothepointenutrition
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Cassa Pancho of Ballet Black, Part 2
This Artform is mine
I continue my conversation with Cassa Pancho, Founder and Artistic Director of Ballet Black. We talk about the role Ballet Blackโs dancers played in creating the Bronze line for Freed of London, the first line of pointe shoes for dancers of color with this 90 year old company. We also chat about the importance of representation in the need for ballet to evolve, and the need to change performative activism in the dance world.
Website:ย https://balletblack.co.uk/
Instagram:ย @originalballetblack
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3: Cassa Pancho of Ballet Black , Part 1
Creating space for Black Dancers in Ballet
In the first episode of Season 3, I talk with Founder and Artistic Director of Ballet Black, Cassa Pancho. Cassa talks about her introduction to the dance world, and launches into an intellectually inquisitive examination of the British Ballet world through the lens of race. Cassa talks about her process of creating a space for black dancers in Britain, highlighting the struggles and the successes. We also talk about her thoughts of breaking the stereotypes of black bodies in dance thru her work with the company.
Website:ย https://balletblack.co.uk/
Instagram:ย @originalballetblack
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Dancing Around Elephants Season 3 - Danelle Dickson PT, DPT, OCS
Here's the intro to Season 3.ย
New times, new conversations to be had. I'm talking about all the Elephants in the room this season. Tune in!
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Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Terry Hyde Part 2
www.counsellingfordancers.com
Instagram:@counsellingfordancers
Link for the SF-36 - www.rand.org/health-care/surveys_tools/mos/36-item-short-form/survey-instrument.html
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Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Terry Hyde Part 1
www.counsellingfordancers.com
Instagram:@counsellingfordancers
![Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Amanda Olson Part 2](https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_episode400/14904338/b3af188da468fd99.png)
Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Amanda Olson Part 2
Instagram: @intimaterose
Website: www.intimaterose.com
![Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Amanda Olson Part 1](https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_episode400/14904338/3c7951ec3312df16.png)
Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Amanda Olson Part 1
Instagram: @intimaterose
Website: www.intimaterose.com
![Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Felicia Avalos Part 2](https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_episode400/14904338/b1dfd3b2ef51059a.png)
Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Felicia Avalos Part 2
Instagram: @chicana.artista
www.feliciabavalos.wordpress.com
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Dancing Around Elephants - Season 2 - Felicia Avalos Part 1
Instagram: @chicana.artista
www.feliciabavalos.wordpress.co
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Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Rachel Oneika Phillips Part 3
IG: @dragonpassionfruit
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Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Rachel Oneika Phillips Part 2
In part 2 we talk about how Oniekaโs thoughts on how we can show up as your authentic self to become an intellectual asset and self-advocate to your product - your body. We also chat about the innovation and detriments that have come to the dance world because of COVID -19.
IG: @dragonpassionfruit
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Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Rachel Oneika Phillips Part 1
We talked about her dance experience coming to the US , standing out as a black, Caribbean woman in dance. We chatted about her first injury and how it connects with the business of the arts . We touch on the culture of hiding injuries and the detriments to dancers and their careers.We also touch about unionization that affords dancers protection in the case of injury.
IG: @dragonpassionfruit
![Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - William Waldinger Part 2](https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_episode400/14904338/27f3923969b9c322.png)
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - William Waldinger Part 2
Facebook: William Waldinger
Blog: classicalballetandallthatjazz.com/blog/
Instagram: www.instagram.com/williamwaldinger411/
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Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - William Waldinger Part 1
Facebook: William Waldinger
Blog: classicalballetandallthatjazz.com/blog/
Instagram: www.instagram.com/williamwaldinger411/
![Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Akua Noni Parker Part 2](https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_episode400/14904338/c6ea8c7b58de7490.png)
Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Akua Noni Parker Part 2
Akua Noni Parker continues her conversation about the things we rarely talk about as dancers - cross training, sleep, rest, and nutrition. She talks about how nutrition has affected her career and her love for it has evolved into @cookingwithku.
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Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Akua Noni Parker Part 1
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Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 - Jennifer DePaola, Doctors for Dancers
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Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 Jennifer DePaola - Doctors for Dancers
Website: Doctorsfordancers.com
Email : contact@doctorsfordancers.com
IG: @doctorsfordancer
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Dancing Around Elephants: Season 2 Intro- Danelle Dickson PT, DPT,OCS
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Dancing Around Elephants: Season Finale - Danelle Dickson PT, DPT, COS
![Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #14 Maleek Washington](https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_episode400/14904338/76b3c276a7f8b24c.png)
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #14 Maleek Washington
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Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #13 Maleek Washington
Maleek continues his story of overcoming a staph infection that threatened his dance career and life. Then he travels thru time to take us through his amazing comeback and his journey into becoming an artiste. He talks about his experience with Camille A. Brown Dance Company, their unique culture of support, and the importance of women leaders in the dance world.
![Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #12 Maleek Washington](https://d3t3ozftmdmh3i.cloudfront.net/staging/podcast_uploaded_episode400/14904338/7db56d68df5e4433.png)
Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #12 Maleek Washington
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Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #11: Katherine Horrigan
www.companydanzante.org
Instagram: @danzante
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Dancing Around Elephants - Episode #10: Katherine Horrigan
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Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #9: Danelle Dickson PT, DPT, OCS
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Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #8
The last of this series, Zara expands on what her life looks life with a Pulmonary Sarcoidosis diagnosis and how her talents as a dancer has transferred to her life in the med tech world and startup world and served her well. We cover contract negotiations, job opportunities and the hidden talents that dancers have that makes them a key asset to others.
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Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #7 Zara Bartels
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Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #6 Zara Bartels Part 4
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Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #5 : Zara Bartels Part 3
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Dancing Around Elephants: Episode #4: Zara Bartels Part 2
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Dancing Around Elephants Episode #3: Zara Bartels Part 1
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Dancing Around Elephants Episode #2 - Charlotte Lanning
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