Environmental as Anything Interviews
By Sean O'Shannessy
Presented and produced by Sean O'Shannessy
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Environmental as Anything InterviewsOct 16, 2020
Koalas in Local Government, Dealers of Death in the Suburbs, Carbon Laggards & Toxic Plumes
Byron Shire Councillor Cate Coorey speaks to Sean O'Shannessy on the motion she just had passed demanding reforms of the recent NSW Koala SEPP
Margie Pestorius & Miriam Torzillo from Wage Peace talk Sean through the Disrupt Land Forces actions planned for Lismore and Brisbane
Julie Beesley interviewing Jo Immig from National Toxics Network re. Aus regulations on glyphosate
Dione Green interviewing Greenpeace Asia Pacific CEO David Ritter re coal industry in Europe v Aus
From the Coalface to the Forest via the Surf
Zianna Fuad speaks to Sean O'Shannessy on the frontlines against Adani and for our koalas
Damien Cole from the Surf Rider Foundation talks to Catherine Coxal and Michelle Michels from Eco Futures
The Shine Report with Naomi from the Lismore Environment Centre illuminating the week ahead.
Fossil Divestment, Gaslit Collapse & the light on the hill
Jeff Johnson - Ballina Shire Council Divestment
Jo Evans - SANTOS PIlliga plans & obstacles
The Shine Report - Naomi Shine from LIsmore Environment Centre illuminates the week ahead.
#SaveOurKoalas Day of Action
Thanks for tuning in to Environmental as Anything. This week on the show we have:
Eco News
Cate Faehrmann - Koala SEPP 21
Dailan Pugh - Koala action
Michelle Michels - Circular Economy interview
Naomi Shine - Events and actions for this week
Speaking and Listening to Rivers, Bringing Bushfire Rorters to public Account & Standing up to Fossil Fools and Loggers
Rob Garbutt transports us through the beautiful and surprising sounds of the rivers of NE NSW with his contribution to the Speaking With the River – NRCG Exhibition
David Shoebridge is the chair of the NSW Parliamentary Committee on Public Accountability. He has been working hard to expose the Berejiklian Government's shameless pork barrelling and he uncovered the recent scandalous corruption of the Bushfire Recovery Fund. He spoke to Sean O'Shannessy to explain the depths of the scam.
Eve Sinton from Fossil Fool Bulletin speaks to Sean about:
- AGL's proposed gas import terminal at Crib Point has drawn a lot of flack at an environmental assessment hearing, and is strongly opposed by the local community.
- The gas industry, while being showered with big dollars by the government aiming for a 'gas-fired'economic recovery, has actually cut its workforce by 10%.
- Tiny underground critters might get in the way of fracking the Northern Territory.
Dailan Pugh reports in from Doubleduke State Forest on the threat to this precious native forest and the endangered wallabies there
Naomi from Lismore Environment Centre Shine's a light on the NE NSW Environmental actions and news
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Bushfire Recovery Scam, Sneaking Forests into the Furnace & Environmental Defenders Report
A huge show for Environmental as Anything this week:
- Tamara Smith speaks to Mia Armitage about how the Berijicklian government's Bushfire Recovery Fund scandal has harmed her electorate of Ballina.
- Janelle Saffin tells Sean O'Shannessy how her electorate of Lismore was also ripped off in the Bushfire fund rorts.
- Susie Russell from the NCEC reveals how the EPA backed the Cape Byron Power Company's legal bid to keep us in the dark about their burning our forests.
- David Morris briefs Sean on the EDO's impressive caseload including a few significant wins and ongoing actions defending the environment.
- Miriam Torzillo gets us up to speed on the Wage Peace movement and their work to stop arms dealers plying their trade in Brisbane.
- Eco News - Weekly environmental news round up from the Community News Room courtesy of Mia Armitage and the Byron Youth Radio team.
- Naomi Shine sheds light on the actions and events for the Earth on the Northern Rivers from the Lismore Environment Centre.
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Green Mayor, Failing Feds & Local news and events
Vanessa Ekins - Lismore's freshly appointed Green Mayor reveals her vision for a cleaner more prosperous shire.
Dailan Pugh - Analysies what is going on with the federal government and their ongoing failure to fix the EPBC Act
Naomi Shine - Shines some light on local news and events from the Lismore Environment Centre
Great Koala National Park led recovery, Murdoch's attacks on science, Bangalow Koalas & Bee Buzz
Sean O'Shannessy Interviews Professor Roberta Ryan on the Great Koala National Park Economic impact analysis and environmental benefit assessment (MUSIC: Twisted Folk "Too Precious to Plunder" - LockOn!)
Wendy Bacon speaks to Sean on her Lies, Debates, and Silences: How News Corp produces climate scepticism in Australia report (MUSIC: Mick Daley: "Miranda Devine's Adventures on the Vanilla Frontier" - Tiny Violins)
Bangalow Koalas protest meeting at Rifle Range Rd illegal development site
Jodi Adams reviews Ben Moore's new book "For the Love of Bees"
Climate Crimes, Fossil Fools and Koala Killers exposed
Eve Sinton - January edition of the Fossil Fool Bulletin
Ian Lowe - NEW REPORT: AUSTRALIA TAKES MASSIVE FINANCIAL HIT FROM CLIMATE CHANGE - Climate Council Report Hitting Home: The Compounding Costs of Climate Inaction.
Cate Faehrmann - NSW Koala Inquiry progress
Burning Carbon Sinks, Renewable News, Unsustainable Lies & Zombie Murder Rats
Susie Russell & Dailan Pugh - NSW Renewable Energy Plan Fatally Flawed
Michael Mazengarb - January RenewEconomy Round up
Jim Beatson - Zombie Murder Rats
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Fossil Fools, Water Thieves, Nanas for Forests & Train Barons
Eve Sinton - Fossil Fool Bulletin
Fossil Fool Bulletin is a resource for people working to end the fossil fuel era in Australia. It combines a fully referenced weekly news summary with original articles, presented as a PDF newsletter with live links. Fossil Fool Bulletin has been published weekly since November 2017 by journalist Eve Sinton of Focus Publications, who has 35 years of experience in journalism and publishing.
Ian Sutton - Murray Darling Basin United We Stand
"We the people of the Murray Darling Basin (MDB) have been disgusted in the way we have been betrayed, with the desecration, drainage and destruction of our ground water, river systems, wetlands and lakes. This has resulted in the devastation of our plants and animals, the expansion of desertification throughout the MDB, increased climate extremes and a rural economic collapse.
We have been protesting, rallying and lobbying successive government for over 30 years and in that time, we have been ignored. We feel that you no longer represent the people and instead are colluding with corporate interests to the detriment of our nation."
Peta Goodwin - Knitting Nanas for Native Forests (WA)
Native forest logging is not smart business. It is foolhardy, unsustainable and unnecessary. We need our wild forests for our children, for our grandchildren, for climate and for life. Nanas for Native Forest are determined to convince our leaders to stop this madness before it is too late.
Lydia Kindred - Secretary of Northern Rivers Rail Limited
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Glad tidings, good cheer and hopes for a brighter future - Christmas Special
Merry Xmas & Happy Summer Solstice everyone
-Councilor Vanessa Ekins will be giving us the good news on the decision of Rous County Council to not dam Dunoon
- Tim Buckley from the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis shares his glad tidings for the transition to renewable prosperity and how China has decided it doesn't want our coal for Xmas
-Pablo Brait from Market Forces raises our spirits with the seasons good cheer on Lloyds of London decision to stop insuring fossil fools
- John Gertsakis from Ewaste Watch gives us the gift of sustainable consumer goods with right of repair
Koala Killers setback - Biomass, platypus & gas actions
Catherine Cusack, Mark Pearson, Justin Field and Cate Faehrmann all stood up and spoke against the koala killer bill in the NSW Legislative Council on the 19/11/2020 and their voices were heard. The bill was defeated, referred to committee and withdrawn by the government. A reprieve for our koalas and a big win for people power in NSW. Listen here to their speeches to parliament and Cate's sumation afterwards
Meanwhile people are outraged and taking action over our forests being thrown into the furnaces and called renewable energy at Condong Mill, our wildlife and cultural heritage being threatened with damming at Dunoon and Santos plans to release methane from under the PIliga forest and the Great Artesian Basin.
We have audio reports and interviews from all of them in this jam packed episode.
Climate Action Pays Off (Zali Steggall, Mark McVeigh, Dr, Pradeep Phillip, Blair Palese, Simon Clough)
Rational honest people understand and acknowledge that climate action brings massive economic benefits and failure to act creates much worse damage to our prosperity.
In this episode:
- Zali Steggall talks us through her proposed Climate Bill before the Federal Parliament that will remove the corruption from our energy debate and place us on track for a stable climate and economy.
- Mark McVeigh tells us about his David Vs. Goliath legal victory over his superannuation fund Rest.
- Deloitte Access Economics' Dr Phillip discusses the findings of their recent report "A new choice: Australia’s economy – and $680 billion in economic potential – relies on climate action"
- Blair Palese shares her insights into the possibilities for positive action in the first 100 days of the Biden Presidency.
- Simon Clough analyses Rous Water's underhanded tactics in pushing for its 19th C response to 21st C water problems.
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The #KoalaKiller Bill Gets People Out in the Streets
Chris Gulaptus and Geoff Provest voted for the LLS Bill rammed through the NSW lower house on the 14th of October. Their actions along with the rest of the #KoalaKiller faction of the Berejiklian government is causing outrage amongst all who understand what has been done. The bill won't be passed into law until it passes the upper house so there is still a chance that voters can persuade our representatives to do their jobs and vote it down.
- NCEC President Jim Morrison and Grafton local Tim Watson speak to the crowd of voters outside Chris Gulaptus' office in Grafton (audio courtesy of Jimmy Malecki)
- Meg Nielsen from Celebrating Earth and Art interviews Susie Russell from the North East Forest Alliance
- Julie Beasley form Eco Futures interviews President of Northern Rivers Guardians Scott Sledge.
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Bushfires Royal Commission Report, Right to Repair, Bungabee Ecologists, Lismore CC EPA & ALP Shifty Fossils Policy
Greg Mullins talks us through the The Royal Commission into National Natural Disaster Arrangements Report
Professor Leanne Wiseman words us up on the Right to Repair movement and Productivity Commission Inquiry
Bungabee ecologists inspect our local forests for their ecological values before they are destroyed by logging (as reported by Omega Breakspear)
Elly Bird LCC EPA
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The ALP keeps shifting its unsustainable position on fossils
Gangster State (Episode 2) Betrayal
In this episode of our gripping radio noir drama lovelorn femme fatale, Princess Gladys, is looking for options but is rudely interrupted by the shocking return of #KoalaKiller Don Porky Barrell and the unexpected arrival of some even more unwelcome guests - #ICAC
Tim Buckley is "Bullish" for climate prospects after this week's events
Tim Buckley, Director Energy Finance Studies, Australia/South Asia for IEEFA, has 25 years of financial markets experience and has been a keen analyst of the global transition to renewable prosperity. He tells Sean O'Shannessy that last week he was very doubtful that the world's financial markets could act fast enough to get us safely to the goals of the Paris Climate Accord but this week he is "bullish". Listen in and find out why he is so hopeful.
Gangster State - Princess Gladys Has Fallen In With A Bad Crowd- AGAIN!
Radio noir is back in style as all our favourite villains and anti-heroes from the #KoalaKiller Gangster State display their moral turpitude, corrupt underbellies and bad relationship choices for all the world to see (all in less than 2minutes)
(WARNING: May contain traces of nuts)
Michael Mazengarb from RenewEconomy gives us the renewable news from September
Michael Mazengarb is well known to regular Environmental as Anything listeners. He delivers his insights into the transition to renewable prosperity with the calm assurance of genuine expertise. Here he is speaking to Sean O'Shannessy on the news from September.
Anti railway laws rammed through NSW parliament
Last Thursday the government passed legislation to close sections of the Casino to Murwilumbah railway line. The Casino to Bentley section will be closed and the Murwillumbah to Crabbes Creek section and the railway tracks ripped up for a rail trail.
Beth Shelley, Chairperson of the Northern Rivers Railway Action Group says, “The government and Labor have stated there has been extensive community consultation to find out if this community wants to have trains running again or a bike path. This isn’t true. There has been no proper community consultation at all, except for the Rail Trail group’s endless lobbying”.
Abigail Boyd, NSW Greens MLC, stated, “When properly built, funded and designed, public transport has immeasurable social, economic and environmental benefits for the health and wellbeing of entire communities. The delivery of services such as the passenger rail on the Casino to Murwillumbah line should be considered a core part of the job of government”.
Annie Kia Announces the NR Water Alliance Launch
On Monday WATER Northern Rivers Alliance launched a campaign for smart water options in the Northern Rivers, instead of the Dunoon Dam. The launch coincides with the start of National Water Week, with its message ‘Let’s re-imagine our water future”. Annie Kia is one of the leading spokesp people for water in NE NSW and she spoke to Sean O'Shannessy for Environmental as Anything to clarify the positive agenda on water management for our region.
“We want Rous to take on board what the experts are saying about smart options and policies” says Annie. “The Dunoon dam is last century’s thinking. If we add new supply it should be independent of rainfall. That’s the way to drought-proof our region, not by adding another dam, costing $245,000,000”.
Professor Bill Mitchell casts a Modern Monetary Theory lens over the federal budget
The Morrison regime is as ideologically committed to the neo-liberal agenda as just about any government in the world. When confronted with the global Covid 19 pandemic however they have responded by turning on the economic stimulus taps, briefly. Professor Bill Mitchell, one of the worlds experts in Modern Monetary Theory, speaks to Sean O'Shannessy and offers his assessment of the effectiveness of the budget measures as post pandemic stimulus measures and the prospects for our future prosperity under neo-liberalism.
The Grattan Institute's Tony Wood exposes the false assumptions of Morrison's gas plan
Energy Program Director for the Grattan Institute, Tony Woods had a long career in the gas industry but he tells Sean O'Shannessy that he doesn't see the Morrison government's gas plan effectively stimulating the Australian economy
Former Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Mark Carney (former head of the Bank of England) agree.
Roy Butler (Member for Barwon) on SANTOS gas attack on the Piliga
SANTOS has had its gas attack on the Piliga forest legitimised by the NSW "Independent" Planning Commission but locals and the wider NSW public are overwhelmingly outraged at the corruption of democratic processes and threats to our climate, biodiversity and water security that this decision represents. Roy Butler is the representative of the NSW Seat of Barwon elected on promises to protect his community from this assault. He speaks to Sean O'Shannessy about the political and economic reasons that this project cannot be allowed to proceed.
Fire Climate and Politics with Greg Mullins
Greg Mullins developed a keen interest in the linkages between climate change and extreme weather events in his period as Commissioner of Fire & Rescue in NSW and is an internationally recognised expert in responding to major bushfires and natural disasters. In this interview with Sean O'Shannessy he speaks on the issues raised by the climate infernos sweeping across the West Coast USA and the politics driving Australia's budget response to the climate emergency.
Nannas Incensed by IPC Santos Green Light & School Strikers say Fund Our Future NOT Gas
The knitting Nanas are a force to be reckoned with as are our School Strikers for Climate. Both have declared they will be ramping up actions for a genuinely sustainable economic recovery from covid and that massive government subsidies and reckless approvals for fossil fuels are not party of that.
Sean O'Shannessy attended actions by both Nanas and strikers and filed these reports for Environmental as Anything
Simon Holmes a Court talks us through the spin on Morrison's gas plan
Simon Holmes à Court is senior advisor to the Climate and Energy College at Melbourne University and sits on the board of the Smart Energy Council. He helps Sean O'Shannessy and Meg Nielsen see through the smoke kicked up by the spinning wheels of the Morrison regime's energy roadblock plan.
Tasmanian Whale Rescue with Dr Wally Franklin
Southern Cross University whale researcher Dr Wally Franklin speaks to Sean O'Shannessy on the heroic whale rescue carried out this week on the SW coast of Tasmania
Steve Rogers & Peter Holding- Farmers working to make agriculture sustainable
Steve Rogers is a dry land rice farmer and Operations Manager for the Natural Rice Company based in Kyogle. He speaks to Sean O'Shannessy & reveals some of the ecological and economic advantages of dry land rice growing and dispels some furphies about the so called Australian "Rice Crisis"
Peter Holding is a third-generation farmer in south east NSW, growing crops such as canola and wheat, as well as running sheep for wool. Peter is also a member of the Climate Kelpie – a central location for farmers after practical information and tools with which to manage climate change risk and impacts. Wearing his hat as the Farm Outreach Officer for Farmers for Climate Action Peter speaks to Environmental as Anything about the Morrison government's Energy Roadmap, the National Farmers Federation's commitment to zero emissions by 2050 and the dirty politics of the koala killers besmirching the reputation of farmers.
Meg Nielsen Interviews Dr Wayne Sommerville on the psychology of living in dangerous times
Celebrating Earth and Art's Meg Nielsen spoke at length to clinical psychologist and community organiser Wayne Sommerville on the Art of Living in a Dangerous World. Here are the edited highlights.
(Celebrating Earth and Art airs on 92.9 River FM every Tuesday from 10-2)
Bruce Robertson reveals the fundamental flaws and deceptions in the Gas Led Recovery
As Energy Finance Analyst – Gas/LNG for the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis Bruce Robertson understands the gas industry's dirty secrets better than most. He shares his analysis of the Morrison government's Gas Fuelled Recovery and reveals how they are lying to us about it and why.
Tim Beshara Shares his insights into the Koala Killers' real motives
Tim Beshara is Manager of Policy and Strategy at The Wilderness Society Australia, former Media Adviser Office of Senator Peter Whish-Wilson and previously olicy adviser to incoming Environment Minister the Hon Robyn Parker MP, responsible for National Parks, Marine Park reforms, Threatened Species policy and Native Vegetation reforms. He shares his inside knowledge and analysis of the recent machinations within the NSW Coalition Government and the likely electoral ramifications for them if they can't effectively bring their Koala Killer faction to heel.
Sydney Morning Herald article by Tim Beshara: I worked for the NSW government and I've seen Barilaro's tactics before
John Hewson calls "corruption" on the Morrison regime's relationship with fossils
We've all wondered what on earth could motivate our federal government to ignore the science, economics and public opinion so blatantly and insist on pouring our Covid recovery funds into their ludicrous "gas led recovery". John Hewson is one of Australia's most emminent economists and has been leader of the Federal Liberal Party and he calls it "corruption". Listen in to a revealing conversation as he shares his insights with Environmental as Anything.
Michael Mazengarb from RenewEconomy
Michael Mazengarb from RenewEconomy gets us up to speed with this week's big stories on our transition to renewable prosperity
Bella Burgemeister & Holly Richards on School Strike 4 Climate Actions
Bella Burgemeister is a seasoned youth activist and author who has stepped up to the challenge of joining the class action against the Federal Minister for the Environment to protect young people from the climate change impacts of the proposed Vickery Extension Coal Project. She tells us why and what she hopes to achieve with this action.
https://equitygenerationlawyers.com/cases/sharma-v-minister-for-environment/
Holly Richards is a local leader of the School Strike 4 Climate movement and she shares with us their plans for local action on Friday the 25th of Sept 2020 as well as reflections on her motivations, hopes and experiences of the School Strikes.
https://www.facebook.com/StrikeClimate
Cate Faehrmann & Sue Higginson sort through the koala killer's "pack of untruths"
This week we are taking a good look at the how NSW National Party's attack on our koalas and attempts at bullying the premier is damaging their credibility and hastening their slide into complete irrelevance. We will have Cate Faehrmann giving us the story from inside the NSW parliamentary "Bear Pit" and Sue Higginson speaking to Meg & Peter Nielsen bringing us the farmers perspective on the koala killer faction of the NSW Coalition government from Celebrating Earth and Art.
Kate Washington speaks on the ALP plan for protecting NSW koalas
Kate Washington is the NSW Shadow Minister for Environment. She spoke to Environmental as Anything about the ALP's vision for our koala's future.
Annie Kia on the Damming of Dunoon
Annie Kia works with communities to defend themselves from unsustainable development. She has recently been applying her considerable talents to the problem of the proposal to dam Dunoon in the beautiful rainforest hinterland of Byron Bay NE NSW. She spoke to Environmental as Anything to break the news of an important report by Professor Stuart White of the Institute for Sustainable Futures at UTS on "The Rous Sustainable Water Program: Towards a secure, reliable and affordable water future"
(MUSIC: "Pure Water" - Songs of the Bentley Blockade)
Zali Steggall on the EPBC Act & Climate Act
Federal Member for Warringah Zali Steggall hasjust returned from a sitting fortnight in parliament where the Scumo regime rammed its gutting of the Environmental Protectiona and Biodiversity Protection Act under cover of the Covid19 pandemic. She speaks to us about the flaws in the new act and the process and about her proposed amendments which were not even debated. She also explains how the proposed Climate Change Act can ensure there are equitable, transparent and science-based plans to address the impacts of climate change, prevent worsening consequences and take advantage of economic opportunities.
Music Mick Daley "In the Right Place at the Right Time" (Accoustic Demo)
Nan Nicholson on the Damming of Dunoon
Legendary environmental protector and rainforest ecologist Nan Nicholson tells us why the proposal to dam Dunoon must be stopped to protect Aboriginal culture, rainforest ecology and the limits to growth
Michael Mazengarb gives us a digest of the NEWS on Coal, Gas and the Renewable Transition
Michael Mazengarb writes prolifically for Renew Economy on the energy transition. He talks Environmental as Anything through the big headlines in Coal, Gas and Renewable NEWS from the past fortnight.
NSW Environment Minister Matt Kean outlines how he intends to double our koala population by 2050
Matt Kean has been Minister for Environment and Energy in NSW for just over a year and he has turned his state from a laggard to a leader in the race to become a renewable energy superpower. This week he has seized the forest conservation nettle and promised to turn around the trajectory of our koalas from extinction to doubling in population by 2050. Environmental as Anything asked him to specify how he intends to achieve this heroic goal.
NSW Forestry Corps is in big trouble in the forests and in the courts
#Familes4Forest is a new movement of parents and children committed to protecting our public native forests from destruction by the NSW govt. They kicked off their campaign in Myrtle State Forest this week and it was a lot of fun. Environmental as Anything was there to report.
Sue Higginson has been a legal advocate for our forests for decades. She speaks to us about some the various legal fronts on which NSW Forestry Corps is in trouble
Community Speaks out against Santos destroying the Piliga at Narabri IPC
Gomeroi Traditional Custodian Maria Cutmore, Boggabri resident David Watt and LIsmore Environment Centre's Naomi Shine were just 3 of the hundreds of NSW citizens who spoke out at the Narabri public hearings of the Independent planning commission against Santos' proposal to contaminate the Great Artesian Basin, trash the Piliga Forest, worsen climate chaos and undermine Australia's economy.
Simon Holmes à Court compares and contrasts the state and federal energy ministers performance
Simon Holmes à Court is senior advisor to the Climate and Energy College at Melbourne University and sits on the board of the Smart Energy Council. He recently wrote and article in the Guardian on "How Australia's state energy ministers are turning the tables on Angus Taylor" We asked him to respond point by point to Angus Taylors recent presentation to the Clean Energy Council's Energy Ministerial Forum. His analysis is most illuminating.
Dr Wally Franklin on Whale Population Comeback
Humpback whales have come back from the brink of extinction and are approaching sustainable population levels. This year's whale watching season has been a bumper. Wally has been involved in humpback whale research for 20 years and has undertaken the management and marine operations of The Oceania Project since its inception in 1988. He gives a fascinating interview to Environmental as Anything on whale population, culture and sleeping habits.
Al Oshlack on Legal Action for our forests
Al Oshlack has been a legal advocate for the Indigenous people and environment of NE NSW for decades. Lately he has been working with the Gumbaynggirr people to challenge the threat of logging of their country. Their legal action sought to challenge the anti democratic nature of NSW Forest Corps status being above the law. He explains to us the effects of this action
MUSIC:
Southern Forest Stand-Al Japaljarri and the KomradzClean Energy Council Ministerial Forum Report
Energy Ministers from every State in Australia as (and the Federal Minister for Emissions) met under the auspices of the Clean Energy Council on 8 July, 2020 to discuss their plans for rapid transition to renewable prosperity (and offer obfuscation & excuses for his Abject Failure). Environmental as Anything edited their presentations into this report.
Gas Bagging and Forest Protection
Amanda King from Lock The Gate Alliance speaks to us on the situation this week regarding the threat of fossil exploitation in NSW
Meg Nielsenm speaks to Dailan Pugh about the situation for our forests and the urgent need for us to get active to protect them and Sandy Greenwood Speaks to us from the Gumbangyiir country about their growing resistance to public native forest logging in Wild Cattle Creek and Nambucca State Forest