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Joekub - agile, life and monkeys

Joekub - agile, life and monkeys

By Joekub
Joe Auslander and Jakub Jurkiewicz are agile coaches living in New Zealand. They like to get together and engage in conversations about agile, life and monkeys. Sometimes they record these conversations and publish them in this podcast.

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Pete Lim - an agile coach at Miro - Episode 44
Hey Joekub-tonians! This episode has Jakub and Joe jumping over to the Bay Area in San Fran to talk with Pete Lim, principal agile coach at Miro. In true Joekub fashion, our conversation takes twists and turns as we learn about what led Pete to agile coaching, what it is like being an agile coach at a company known for distributed facilitation, and what Miro culture is like (do they even have offices?). We also learn about whether Miro has an incentive programme for naming your first born "Miro". Pete is an excellent storyteller and gives us a great perspective of working as a coach in a hybrid, together/distributed world.
November 15, 2021
Career changes, from agile coach to... - Episode 43
Wei Hsiao has had a variety of careers. Lawyer, Software Tester, Agile Coach, and recently he's moved from agile coaching into people management as acting GM of Enterprise Software Delivery. Jakub & Joe take some time to understand what made Wei want to leave coaching and what skills from coaching he's brought with him. This is a great episode for any agile coaches who wonder about what lies beyond coaching and if (& how) the skills they've developed on their journey can help them with a new adventure. If you are interested in reaching out to Wei, he is best contacted through LinkedIn:
September 26, 2021
Simon Wardley & Chris Daniel - Strategy - Episode 42
This Episode Joekub tackles the elusive topic: STRATEGY Simon Wardley (inventor of Wardley Mapping) & Chris Daniel (Strategy guru)  Join Jakub and Joe on the hunt for what a good strategy is, does, and looks like.  They explore topics like:  • Is a strategy just a few lines of text? • Do you even need a strategy? • Can anyone make a strategy? • How to use Wardley Maps to be excommunicated from your business (and also how not to)  Jakub and Joe got so excited about this conversation that the podcast spills over to a video recorded event of Simon Wardley making a Wardley map of the Joekub Podcast. We go full on meta as we begin to feel the potential of Wardley Mapping in real time.  The follow up video of Joe and Jakub mapping is available here: Join us for laughs, amazing stories and lots of insights.  If you'd like to learn how to make your own Wardely Map, check out these resources: intro to Wardley Maps:  make your own maps:
August 17, 2021
Comic Agilé - In Denmark - Episode 41
Jakub and Joe fan-boy it up again with an interview with the creators behind the popular agile comic Comic Agilé ( Mikkel Noe-Nygaard & Luxshan Ratnaravi join us from Denmark to share • Their stories about the origin of the comic • How getting feedback from their readers is an addiction • Information about their upcoming book (print & digital) • Many many jokes and laughs Please join Joekub and  Comic Agilé for lots of laughs, lots of jokes, lots of fun.
June 30, 2021
Poland - Justyna Pindel - Poland owns Scrum - Episode 40
This episode is another hop to a different country. One that is close to the heart of Jakub, Poland! We've asked Justyna Pindel to give us a tour of Poland, where it is, when agile began bubbling up in there and also why anyone would want to be an agile practitioner in her home country. Jusyna is an accomplished author (Kanban Compass), Podcaster (Agile Book Club), coach, trainer, event organiser, and also one of the most passionate and fun people we've had on the show yet. In this episode you will: * Learn why Poland owns Scrum
 * How Polilsh history has set them up to be superb agile practitioners
 * Why Justnya wanted to get fired for a good reason
 * Why being a horrible person might be okay
 * Things to consider if you're interested in working in Poland, especially if you are German
 This is a high energy, lots of laughs episode. Please join us in getting to know Justnya and Poland. Links Kanban Compass book with a discount: Agile Book Club
June 8, 2021
PaJoekub - Better Value, Safer, Sooner, Happier - Episode 39
Joekub again adds Paul Salmon as co-host for another book focused episode of PaJoekub. This episode we focus on the book "Better Value, Sooner, Safer, Happier" by Jonathan Smart. Paul gives Jakub and Joe an overview of the book and then they dive in to test it's message. Find out who PaJoekub thinks the book was written for, the difference between patterns and anti-patterns, what the book says about the importance of psychological safety to a business, and what sooner, safer, happier is referring to. It's a great overview with some deep tasters of what you'll get in the book. Looking for a new read? Have a listen to this episode to hear if this could be the next book you dive into. Link to Amazon book and Audible: Safety Differently - Sydney Dekker - short videos here: The Chapter about the mines was from this book:
May 31, 2021
Fanboys and Team Topologies - Manuel Pais - Episode 38
Joekub is taking a break from their trips around the world to sit down with Manuel Pais, co-author of the influential book "Team Topologies". Manuel is kind enough to answer a barrage of questions from Jakub and Joe around why he and Matthew (the other author) decided to write the book, how they've been received, and some of the more deeper thinking around why he thinks the book has gotten people excited in the world of agile. In addition to the amazing insights and glimpses into Team Topologies, you'll get to hear Joe giggle with delight and Jakub squee with joy as these two fellas get to talk to the co-creator of one of their favourite books. If you'd like to get intouch with Manuel, you can look him up on LinkedIn or go to the Team Topologies website to see what they are up to: and if you're interested in apply for there academy you can go here:
May 24, 2021
Episode 37 - Vietnam - Dr. Cherry Vu & Rob England - agile and social change
Jokekub does a bit of a sideways hop to get to Vietnam. Founders of Teal Unicorn, Dr. Cherry Vu & Rob England join us from a caravan in the South Island of NZ to share their insights and stories of what it is like to work in Vietnam. Teal Unicorn has clients all over the world, but we asked them to focus on what it is like to introduce agile (little 'a') to Vietnam. • Learn how business agility was introduced in Vietnam in 2018 and what the reaction has been • Hear why they prefer "agile" with a little 'a' and not a big 'A' • Learn how Dr. Cherry Vu got inspired to publish an agile parenting book in Vietnam • Learn what to consider before moving to Vietnam to work your agile magic Teal Unicorn has published a book called "The agile (small a) manager" and they're adventures and more information can be found on their website:
May 5, 2021
Episode 36 - South Africa - Peter Hundermark - The great brain drain
This episode of Joekub, Jakub & Joe find themselves in the complicated and beautiful nation of South Africa (SA). Peter Hundermark, entrepreneur, agile trainer, and consultant shares with us insights about South Africa and his home, Cape Town. Peter is a wonderful storyteller. In our talk we cover: • How did agile come to South Africa • Peter's origin story • The complexity of mixing SA culture and agility • The importance of coaching leaders • The brain drain in SA and how politics and economy influenced it Please join us in welcoming Peter to the Joekub narrative.
April 12, 2021
Episode 35 - Brazil - Mário Melo - using games in your agile trainings
This episode of Joekub brings our hosts to the creative and exciting country of Brazil. Mário Mel, an agile developer and trainer, takes us on tour of the best Brazil has to offer an agilist as well as a brief history on when agile started to be embraced. On this trip we learn: • What makes Brazil a natural place for agile to flourish? • About Mário's journey from being a developer to becoming an agile trainer. • Why do there seem to be less developers getting certified than POs and Scrum Masters? • What makes training valuable? Mário is constantly inventing new ways to give people experiences to help them learn. You can find his card game "Scrumchkin" at where you can print and cut your own or order a deck to be delivered. If you want to reach out to Mário, you can DM him on LinkedIn, here:
March 18, 2021
Episode 34 - Finland - the quiet people
Episode 34 of Joekub continues our trip around the world in search of agilists and their insights. This time we've landed in the cold and beautiful country of Finland with our guest Martin von Weissenberg. Learn about how Nokia influenced Finland's early adoption of agile. Explore is Finish people have a natural knack for agility because of their culture. Get Martin's view on what distinguishes a Scrum Master, from a team coach, from an agile coach, from an enterprise agile coach, in Finland. Lastly, find out if he recommends other agilists to move to Finland to work! Martin is a fantastic guest, with a great voice for podcasts and a wonderful talent for telling stories. Please join Jakub and Joe in  this episode of Joekub.
February 28, 2021
Episode 33 - Portugal - Sónia Won - From zero to crazy!
This episode takes us to the peaceful, life loving, shores of Portugal. Sónia Won started working as an agilist in 2009, with Nokia. While Sónia has been working with agile for quite some time, she talks about how Portugal's desire to embrace agility has only been recently (3 to 5 years). We explore how a fast & large demand for agilists has led to her having to wear many hats as an agile coach. From Scrum Master trainer, to working directly with the org and middle management as an agile coach, to helping with the company transformation programme, learn how Sónia balances the demand and shows up to create impact. If you'd like to learn more about or reach out to Sónia, look for her on LinkedIn at:
February 14, 2021
Episode 32 - Vasco Duarte - Podcaster/agilist/community leader
This episode of Joekub we get a bit meta as we talk to agilist/author/podcaster Vasco Duarte about what it's like to be an agile podcaster. Vasco is host of the Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast (SMTP) which has been running for about 5 years now. If you've never heard SMTP you should definitely give it a try. Each episode is around 10 minutes and is always trying to impart a new tool or technique for your kit. Vasco shares with us why he decided to start the podcast, how he's applied lean thinking to developing it, and the impacts he's seen his podcast on the agile community. So many great insights about building a community as an agilist! Please join Jakub and Joe as they get to know Vasco! The Scrum Master Toolbox Podcast - Blog - Twitter - LinkedIn -
December 13, 2020
Episode 31 - Nigeria - How we do things
This episode of Joekub takes us to Abiodun (Abby) Osoba in Nigeria. Abby has worked in the US, Canada, and now Nigeria. • We learn about where the market and expectations around agility are in Nigeria. • We learn about how she had to adapt and things to think about if you are a coach who is thinking about working in Nigeria. • We also talk about how she balances running a not for profit community as well as a for profit business. Abby is delightful, insightful and full of great stories. Please join Jakub and Joe in getting to know her better. The best way to contact Abby is through her LinkedIn page - Keep up to date with what Abby is up to here -
December 1, 2020
Episode 30 - Sweden - we are all monkeys
Ola Berg, an agile coach, joins Joekub all the way from Sweden! Ola has a unique and fascinating approach to agile coaching. He started as a developer and over the years evolved into agile coaching and his outlook today. In this episode you'll learn: • How to tell the version of yourself from the past that they are a monkey • How to navigate if you are unsure of your role • If culture eats strategy, then structure and environment eat culture Please join us in getting to know Ola.
November 23, 2020
Episode 29 - An episode about feelings
Often when people talk about coaching, they talk about how awesome it is.. and it most certainly can be. This episode of Joekub, Jakub & Joe talk about what happens when you don't feel so great but still have to show up for work and be a coach. Learn how they find their resilience, find new reasons to trust, and wrestle with being genuine and doing a job.
November 1, 2020
Episode 28 - This Is A Cult & changing who decides - Daniel Mezick
This episode of Joekub welcomes Daniel Mezick; charismatic author, entrepreneur, and founding member of the Open Leadership Network.  This might be the best monkey episode yet.  Here are the topics we cover:  • Daniel's newly minted cult called TIAC (This Is A Cult) • Tips for being an amazing communicator online • Don't worry about how it works, just care that it works • Learn acting techniques to be a better communicator • How to change a culture in 3 days by changing how decisions are made  Daniel is also giving a gift to the Joekub community.  To get a 10% discount to attend the virtual 12th annual GIVE THANKS TO SCRUM event go to: and enter in the code: joekub  You can reach Daniel through any of the following channels:
October 11, 2020
Episode 27 - Paul + books + Joekub = Pajoekub #1
Joekub adds Paul Salmon as a cohost for an discussionaround continuous self improvement.  Paul is an avid self educator and prolific consumer of agile and lean literature. Joe and Jakub get introduced to the top 10 books, over ten years that Paul has read.  This episode is great as a starter for people new to agile and lean as well as for seasoned veterans who may be looking for their next great read.  You can see the list they discuss here:
October 5, 2020
Episode 26 - What a recruiter sees
This episode of Jakub explores the relationship between agile practitioners and recruiters. Santiago Lopex Guiñazu, an Auckland, NZ recruiter, shares stories of what getting a job as an agile practitioner looks like from his point of view. We get some tips for strategy dos and don't with your CV (resumé). He talks about approaches to getting hired and he shares some wonderful insights into what happens behind the curtain when we click send on our CV. If you're interested in getting in touch with Santiago, the easiest way is through his LinkeIn profile:
September 15, 2020
Episode 25 - puppy, life and agile
This episode of Jakub is nearly 100% pure tangent. Joe has recently adopted a fur babby, Dexter. So our show replaced the monkeys with puppies and challenged Joe to find as many parallels, between agile coaching and raising a puppy, as possible. It's a stretch of the imagination but Joe and Jakub get to some interesting insights along the way.
September 2, 2020
Episode 24 - Mindset, education and quokkas
Meet Vinnie Gill. Vinnie is a reformed project manager turned agile coach and enterprise transformation leader. In this episode Jakub and Joe learn about Vinnie's personal journey from command and control commando to an agile beacon of light. Learn how Vinnie's own experience and transformation has helped her hold hands and walk with organisations looking to improve their agility. If you'd like to reach out to Vinnie, the best way to get ahold of her is through her LinkedIn account:
August 24, 2020
Episode 23 - What is delivery to Joe?
In this episode, Jakub interrogates Joe about what he means when he uses the word "delivery". Joe, put on the spot, reveals all of his secrets and thanks Jakub for it in the end.
August 12, 2020
Episode 22 - Systemic Constellations with Michael Spayd
This episode, Joekub is super excited to get to spend time with an agile coaching pioneer, Michael Spayd.  For those unfamiliar with Michael, it is safe to say he has either led or had a heavy hand in creating the foundations and the growth of what we consider modern day agile coaching.  While we could talk to Michael for days about a plethora of interesting topics, we landed on the practice of Systemic Constellations for this podcast.  What are Systemic Constellations? If you've ever done the constellation retrospective or information gathering exercise with a bunch of people in a room before.. it's kinda like that, but with crazy insightful and system changing insights that can help an organisation to adapt. We stumble into quantum-entanglement, accessing system insights from strangers and all sorts of other jedi like experiences that extend what's possible in the coaching space.  Still not clear?.. that's okay we've got a whole episode to learn from the expert!  If you'd like to reach out to Michael Spayd the best way is through his account on linked in:  If you'd like to find out more about what he and his community are doing or get involved in a community call, you can find that information on The Collective Edge website:
July 28, 2020
Episode 21 - podcast review and retrospective
In Episode 21 Jakub & Joe drink their own champagne and hold a micro Joekub Review & Retro, looking over the past 20 episodes.  We review our accomplishments and our intentions since we started and then reflect on what working together was like. We talk a bit about what the future of Joekub may be and even decide if we will keep making these podcasts or not!!  Bonus We've added a link to the Review/Retro Board we used and opened it up for you to leave comments on it. So please leave us your thoughts!
July 22, 2020
Episode 20 - agile lessons from Ironman racing
What does a farmer, a triathlon and an agile coach have in common? If you're Gareth Holebrook then they all share a mirror when you look into it.   On Joekub Episode 20, we celebrate two milestones with Gareth as we make our 20th episode, and hit over 1000 plays. Gareth entertains us with how being a coach in sports is and is not like being an agile coach.  In this episode you will learn:  • Facts about Ironman (the competition, not Stark) • About tactical delivery practices • How radical candor can be difficult, but rewarding • How not to coach • The importance for asking permission to coach • Improving 1% at a time  We really enjoyed our time with Gareth and think you will too.  You can reach Gareth on LinkedIn at
June 29, 2020
Episode 19 - Agile on the Beach with David Morris and Colart Miles
Joekub closes it's Agile on the Beach (AotB) NZ 2020 series by spending some time with the co-founders David Morris & Colart Miles.  AotB NZ 2020 took place in Mount Maunganui nestled in Tauranga, New Zealand.  We discuss the origins and the "why" of AotB, from it's origins in the UK to what they hope to accomplish in NZ.  The co-founders share with us what it takes to prepare and run a conference as well as what was new and surprising.  You'll also learn how the conference experience extended beyond the conference itself and how AotB NZ 2020 prepared and planned at the precipice of Covid-19 in NZ.  Lastly you'll get a sneak peek at whats in the works for AotB NZ 2021.. hint, it takes place on a beach!  If you're interested in attending or speaking at AotB NZ 2021, you can stay in the know at their Facebook page:  Their website: or keep up with them on Twitter:
June 8, 2020
Episode 18 - from autopilot to flow with Elizabeth Congdon
At AotB 2020, Elizabeth Congdon gave a talk on mindfulness. In this episode she expands on that concept as she describes what is possible once you've started to develop a mindful presence.  Jakub & Joe learn about Consciousness Coaching and Conversational Intelligence as they listen to Elizabeth weave the importance of choice in the human experience to being an effective team.  In this episode you'll learn: • What is Consciousness Coaching and how does it apply to team development? • What is the difference between running on automatic and being in flow? • What is true Choice and how is it enabled by mindfulness? • What are the 5 levels of responsibility in Consciousness Coaching? • How does all this fit into the life of an Agile Coach? Please join Joekub in getting to know Elizabeth better as we learn about the fantastic tools set she brings to the agile coaching practice.  The best way to reach Elizabeth is thought her LinkedIn page at:
May 26, 2020
Episode 17 - “Dad, don’t coach me!” with Alex Sloley
Episode 17, and our continued journey through Agile on the Beach NZ 2020, is with the passionate Alex Sloley.  Alex is a man in love with the agile community. Imagine ranking attending an agile conference with going to Burning Man and you begin to understand why he speaks and attends so many agile functions around the world.  In this episode you'll learn more endearing facts about Alex as well as  • the secrets to running a successful Beer Kanban exercise • the simple to grasp, hard to do, steps to prepare to speak at a conference • the energising value of finding "your community" • be inspired to spend more time in your local agile community  If you want to feel lightened and inspired, please give episode 15 with Alex Sloley a listen.
May 18, 2020
Episode 16 - How is a coach like a jedi? with Wayne Kingi
Episode 16 and another Agile on the Beach NZ 2020 segment brings us to Wayne Kingi, an Agile Coach who is immersed in mindfulness.  Wayne brings us on a mindful journey while answering questions like:  • What is it that coaches mean when they say they are "making space"for something? • How does a coach be present and invisible? • How does mindfulness help a coach in a productivity focused culture? • Why is having an empty mind considered being mindful? • What happens to a coach if they chant ooda? • Can Wayne Kingi read minds?  Find the answers to these questions and more on this episode of Joekub.  If you'd like to reach out to Wayne, you can find him on LinkedIn.
May 11, 2020
Episode 15 - All in on outcomes with Mike Burrows
Mike Burrows joins Jakub and Joe all the way from England! Mike Burrows has published a number of books important to the agile community, most notably "Kanban from the inside" and most recently "Right to Left" where he explains strategies to implement agile change. In this episode Mike shares with us his inspiration for writing these books, where his thoughts are now, and the story of how he started helping people with kanban and ended up helping companies with strategies for change. If you'd like to get in touch with or learn more about Mike, you can visit his webpage . Mike is also part of a growing trend of talented people from around the world offering realtime, online workshops that cater to the APAC timezones. If you're interested in participating in his next "Language of outcomes" workshop you can find the information on his workshops in the events section of his website, or directly here:
May 3, 2020
Episode 14 - Turn! Turn! Turn! with Beth Gervase
Beth Gervase graces the digital airwaves of Joekub in Episode 14, in our Agile on the Beach NZ series. In this episode you'll learn: • What makes a coach from the US pick up and move to New Zealand • The benefits of leaping before you look • Why it is important to take time to mourn for a team that has recently lost members • How one of the most caring and empathetic coaches in the world's motto came to be "suck it up cupcake" It is a joy to hear how Beth came to be a coach, where she is going next, and why resilience is her favourite word right now. Please join Jakub, Joe & Beth in Episode 14 of Joekub.
April 29, 2020
Episode 13 - business story telling with Emlyn Hatch
How is a story teller like a drug dealer? Does story telling align with what the agile community is trying to do? Can anyone become a good story teller?  The answers to these questions and so many more are in Ep. 13 of Joekub.  Continuing their Agile on the Beach series, Jakub & Joe interview Emlyn Hatch, a speaker at AotB NZ 2020 and a passionate advocate for the power of business stories in the work place.  Listen in to learn the recipe for good business stories to put into your practice. You can find Emlyn on LinkedIn here: And Emlyn's website and resources are here:
April 19, 2020
Episode 12 - leadership, HR and coaching with Cheryl Tansey
Episode 12 brings an exciting conversation with Cheryl Tansey. Cheryl is an amazing person, coach of coaches, who brings great energy and ideas to the agile community in New Zealand and all around the world. Listen to how she was raised by wild agilists, discovered the lost tribe of HR in your company, and shares some of her most interesting finds on how HR can help you succeed as a coach. Cheryl's website:
April 16, 2020
Episode 11 - communities with Colart Miles
Episode #11 brings an interview with Colard Miles, a well known agile personality and a source of inspiration for Joe and Jakub. Together with Colart we explore the concept of communities, why they are important and how they shape our world.
April 10, 2020
Episode 10 - resilience and dealing with stress with Cillín Hearns
In episode #10 we have the great pleasure to talk to Cillín Hearns, a coach, an author and one of the keynote speakers at the Agile on the Beach NZ conference. Cillín tells us where stress comes from and what techniques we could use to deal with stress and to build our resilience. Cillín's website: Cillín's LinkedIn: "First, Lead Yourself" book:
April 1, 2020
Episode 9 - how coaches can show up in the time of remote work
Joe and Jakub got together to share their questions and ideas about the role of an agile coach in the world of remote work. Oh, and also Jakub proves how hard it can be to pronounce the word “vulnerability”. Enjoy!
March 23, 2020
Episode 8 - powerful ways to let teams fail
In this episode, Jakub and Joe talk about situations when they allowed teams to fail. What lessons came out of that? And why did they choose to do it? It’s all there in episode #8
March 4, 2020
Episode 7 - surgery and handling change.
This time Jakub talks about his experience with surgery and how scary unknown situations can be. In some strange twist Jakub and Joe end up on the topic of handling and managing change as a coach.
February 25, 2020
Episode 6 - our recommended books, podcasts and audiobooks.
We are answering Janetta’s question about our recommended books that every agile coach should read.
February 12, 2020
Episode 5 - on consistency vs standardisation.
This time Joe and Jakub talk about the difference between consistency and standardisation.
January 20, 2020
Episode 4 - on cyclones, weather forecasts, a ladder and giving people an A.
Joe and Jakub celebrate 2020, talk about their experiences with cyclones and hurricanes. They also mention the ladder of inference as a way to compare observation with interpretation. They end up with their plans for 2020 and how giving people an A could be a good approach in our lives. Links from the episode: - ladder of inference: - "Art of Possibility" book: - Jakub's letter for 2020:
January 6, 2020
Episode 3 - on swimming, stands ups with eyes closed and feedback loops.
Joe and Jakub talk about swimming as a metaphor for agile coaching and change. And how quick feedback loops can speed up the process of learning.
December 15, 2019
Episode 2 - on pet peeves, planning, scrum, soccer, rugby and what done means.
Jakub and Joe talk about their pet peeves, do we need planning in agile, if every scrum is scrum, why definition of done is crucial. Join us!
December 9, 2019
Episode 1 - on observations, bonuses and journaling
Joe and Jakub got together to talk about their brains being like monkeys, why observation in a key skill for every agile coach and scrum master, how bonuses influence team and organisational dynamics. And they end up with self reflection and journaling practice.
December 2, 2019