L&T Chat Show

Gabi talks to me about her research comparing ED programmes in the UK and those in Central and Eastern Europe It examines collaboration, trusting relationships and leadership as key drivers of effective practices and is available from Springer Nature The Long-Term Effects of Educational Development Programmes: Collaboration, Trust and Leadership | SpringerLinkData collection for this book was conducted by Matthew Mokhefi-Ashton, Agnes Simon, Mátyás Szabó, and Zuzana Vařejková. Collaborators of the BELONG project, including Lynn McAlpine, Eszter Simon and others contributed to research design and data coding.If you have found anything helpful in any of the episodes or have something you'd like to share contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Tadhg explains how he has fully integrated the use of AI in his module, the tips and tricks he teaches his students about using prompts to get the best results and how to write assessments that develop students reflective and critical skills.For more information you can find Tadhg's YouTube site here:https://www.youtube.com/@tadhgblommerdeIf you've used any of the ideas covered in the podcast or have something you'd like to share please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Emma talks to me about stand-up comedy, imrpov, card games and mindfulness activities amongst other things as she covers how she helps meurodivergent and other students in the learning environment.Emma Morrison is a dedicated tutor, learning developer and author with a strong academic and professional background.  She studied biology at London University, which laid the groundwork for her analytical approach to both writing and personal development.  In addition, she holds a postgraduate diploma in teaching adult learners with Specific Learning Difficulties, a Certificate in Cognitive Behavioural Coaching, Executive Function coaching, further enhancing her expertise in supporting others to overcome challenges.  With a career rooted in education, Emma has worked extensively to empower students, through her STRIVE Coaching Model, to reach their full academic potential.  She currently resides in London where she continues to make a positive impact in the Higher Education sector.If used any of the ideas in any of the episodes or have something you'd like to share please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Cassie and Helen tell me about how they got involved in a Community of Practice and how their work has developed supporting others to create their own, including publishing a CoP Toolkit on the AdvanceHE website and creating a Jiscmail group EDD-COP.If you've found any of the podcast episodes useful or have something you'd like to share please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Khris tells me about a week long residential he runs for aerospace design students who get to build, test, evaluate and improve a range of aerial vehicles over a week, sharing experiences and developing as a cohort.The podcast is on hiatus next week but if you have something you'd liek to share we're still looking for guests roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Lucy joins me all the way from Australia to talk about her work with colleagues helping them to address the needs of students from various backgrounds and with various challenges.The podcast is on hiatus next week, but we're still looking for guests so please email roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk if you have something to share.

Emily tells me about how she uses Excel escape rooms to teach stats and Lauren explains how she embeds an escape room methodology to improve engagement and attendance.If you've used any of the ideas from previous episodes or have something you'd like to share please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Melike and I discuss here research into leveraging linguistic strengths and creating translanguage spaces that acknowledge the linguistic diversity of the classroom.If you've used any of the ideas covered in this or any of the previous episodes, or if you have something you'd like to share please get in touch roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Angela and Tom discuss how they use object based learning to help students develop critical thinking and use their cultural capital.The University of Leeds is hosting a UK object-based learning symposium in June 2025.  This free to attend event is an opportunity to meet with others researching or practicing in this area and to explore mutual interests.  Please feel free to bring an object with youKeynote speaker Dr Thomas Kador, AssociateProfessor in Creative Health at UCL Arts & Sciences, where he leads the Masters (MASc) in Creative Health programme.  https://profiles.ucl.ac.uk/52459-thomas-kador  There are a limited number of 35 places for this event, which you can book online at:  https://forms.office.com/e/c6fYzvMbSk 

Claire talks about the various ways that she has used VR in teaching, including giving a child's-eye perspective of a family situation, and an immersive room to provide interactive teaching in a virtual environment.

Julia talks to me about the extensive work she's done as an LSP facilitator, from working with prisoners to children. She discusses the flexibility of Lego as a tool to explore feelings, situations and planning, and how to integrate it with other playful activities.You can find out more about Julia's work at Lego Serious Play Facilitator | Julia Reeve Compassion Play | EnglandOr if you're interested in a session then you'll find more at the Play to Connect website Home | Play To ConnectIf you have something you'd like to share contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Madiha tells me abou the work of the academic charity UPSIGN which she chairs, providing a space for Pakistani academics to get together and taking the latest pedagogic ideas to teachers in Pakistan to enable greater inclusivity in the classroom.You can find more information here:https://www.upsign.org.uk/If you've used any of the ideas covered by episodes or have something you'd like to share contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Andy talks about how he introduces the idea of playfulness into the classroom, it's importance in helping learning and his advice as someone who is autistic, dyspraxic and ADHD on taking neurodivergence into account in the classroom.If you've used any of the ideas covered in this or any of the other episodes or if you have something you'd like to share please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

For anyone thinking about promotion, fellowship or NTF, Virna talks to me about moving beyond traditional metrics and tricks for gathering and presenting impact. Apologies for the poor sound quality on my end, I think I forgot to make sure the string was pulled tightly enough on the tin can I was using. If you have found any of the episodes useful or have somethign you'd like to share please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Carys and I discuss the model she uses for encouraging Enterprise students to realise their learner potential through group based activities and reflection. You can find more information here: Enterprise Educators UK website: https://www.enterprise.ac.uk/ Enterprise and Entrepreneurship Toolkit https://www.etctoolkit.org.uk/ QAA Enterprise and Entrepreneurship Education guidance: https://www.qaa.ac.uk/docs/qaa/about-us/enterprise-and-entrpreneurship-education-2018.pdf?sfvrsn=20e2f581_26 If you've found any of the shows useful or have something you'd like to share please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Dinah talks to me about her research into the effectiveness of active learning. We talk about benefits, challenges, preferences and implications, in particular in finding a balance in teaching styles. If you have used any of the ideas from any of the episodes or have something you'd like to share, please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Paul and I discuss replication, formulation, innovation and origination along with the constraints of learn ing outcomes and how to be creative in any subject area. Check out Paul's blog called "Stumbling with Confidence" https://stumblingwithconfidence.wordpress.com/ or Kleiman, P. (2008) Towards transformation: conceptions of creativity in higher education. Innovations in Education and Teaching International, 45(3), pp.209–217. or Kleiman, P. (2017) “We Don’t Need Those Learning Outcomes”: assessing creativity and creative assessment. HEA publication ‘Transforming Assessment in Higher Education’ (2017) edited by Sam Elkington and Carol Evans. If you've used any ideas from previous episodes or have something to share, please drop me a line roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

In this episode Anoop and I discuss her work with students in challenging perceptions of the world and working towards effective change. If you enjoy the episode please tell your friends and check out some of the 100+ back catalogue. If you have somethign you'd liek to share, drop me a line roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Happy New Year Today's is a special episode as it is just me wittering on about card games in an effort to becomes a National Teaching Fellow. If you'd like me to come and deliver a session on this to staff please contact me at roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk Have a great 2025

Katie and Rosie join me to talk about alternate reality games, the playful philosophy, toys as avatars, sticklebricks and to remind everyone of the call for sessions for 2025 with a conference theme of surprise and disguise. For more information about PLA check out the website: https://playfullearningassoc.co.uk/ For anyone interested in submitting a session: https://playfullearningassoc.co.uk/pl25-submission/ Thank you to everyone who has taken time out to listen to the podcast and shared with colleagues, I hope you all have a great Christmas break.

Jane and I talk about two games that she was involved in the creation of, where the ideas came from, how they evolved and how they were developed. A must hear episode for anyone worndering where/how to start. Further information in cluding Jane and Chris' article in the Journal of Play in Adulthood can be found here: https://copyrightliteracy.org/2020/10/21/copyright-the-card-game-online/ https://www.cilip.org.uk/news/421965/The-Publishing-Trap.htm https://www.journalofplayinadulthood.org.uk/article/1034/galley/810/view/ If you have something you'd like to share I'm looking to book recordings for February 2025 roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Gosia and I talk about her work as a trained LSP facilitator. We cover embracing complexity, sustainability and the concept of table wisdom. You can find out more about Gosia's work at this Linkedin post https://www.linkedin.com/posts/maplotka_netzerosummit-cognitiveartefacts-communicationunderconstruction-activity-7268315697817030657-dGWv?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop If you have something you'd like to share please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Mark talks about the idea for his card game, the process of developing, playing and commercialising the idea long with advice for anyone else thinking of creating their own card game. Details of the game can be found here: Home - What the Pharma And for Focus Games: Focus Games If you've enjoyed this show or have something to share please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Giskin discusses how to make classrooms places of awe and excitement through various different techniques such as maps for professional journeys, poetry pharmacies, metaphors for science and honouring creativity. An absolute must for anyone who'd like to make their sessions more playful but isn't sure where to start. If you're interested in playful learning please check out the PLA website Playful Learning Association If you've used any of the ideas covered in the any of the podcast episodes or if you have something you'd like to share please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Lynn helps me get to grips with a number of aspects of inclusion and offers lost of practical advice for interacting with students. If you'd like more information check out her website www.lynnpilkington.com If you have something you'd like to share, contact me on roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Peter and I discuss the work he has been doing with 16,000 Business School students in Sydney. He explains the ideas of increasing connectivity, co-design, agency in transitional spaces and the benefits of individual journeys (including getting lost). If you've enjoyed this or any of the previous episodes please get in touch. If you have something to share email roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Megan talks to me about how an experience with Lego at a conference in Manchester led to a 4000 mile road trip across America using playful learning to address issues in library services using creative thinking. She goes on to describe various ways in which playfulness has helped students reflect on their learning. For more details here are resources and Megan's contact details: First book: https://alastore.ala.org/creativityculture Second book: https://alastore.ala.org/plylib Website: www.meganlotts.com Twitter: @mclotts If any of the Chat Show episodes have made a difference to your teaching please let me know, as it would be great to have some feedback on impact. If you have something you'd like to share then just drop me a line at roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Erik and I discuss letting go of control and focusing on the students, ensuring content matches learning outcomes, thinking about structure and making the most of questions and answers with a few common mistakes thrown in for good measure. If you've done anything different in your own teaching because of listening to these episodes please get in touch, it would be lovely to have some feedback on impact. If you've got something you'd like to share please contact me at roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Helen talks to me about expertise, which covers knowledge, focused practice, progressive problem solving and ways of thinking. We also discuss teaching as jazz and the artistry of teaching. Works mentioned in the podcast include: Eisner, E.W. (2002) From episteme to phronesis to artistry in the study and improvement of teaching. Teaching and Teacher Education, 18, 375-385 DOI:10.1016/s0742-051x(02)00004-5 Skovholt, T.S., Hanson, M., Jennings, L. & Grier, T. (2016) A brief history of expertise. In: Skovholt, T.S. & Jennings, L., Master Therapists: Exploring Expertise in Therapy and Counseling, 10th Anniversary Edition, Oxford University Press. DOI: 0.1093/med:psych/9780190496586.003.0001 Kneebone, R. (2020) Expert: Understanding the Path to Mastery. Viking Helen's work includes: King, H. (2019) Continuing Professional Development: What do award-winning academics do? Educational Developments, 20.2, 1-5 https://www.seda.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Ed-Devs-20.2-Web.pdf King, H. (Ed. 2022) Developing Expertise for Teaching in Higher Education King, H. (Ed. 2024) The Artistry of Teaching in Higher Education Presentations, summary case studies from research interviews and other resources: https://drhelenking.com/ Helen is available to contact at h.king@bathspa.ac.uk and on LinkedIn  | Twitter | Bluesky If you enjoyed this episode or any previous episode, especially if you've added to or changed what you do please drop me a line. If you have something you'd like to share contact me on roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Melvin is the Director of Focus Games who've been developing educational games for 20 years. He and Joanne talk to me about where the ideas come from, how they are implemented and how outcomes can be measured. If you have used any of the ideas in this or any of the previous 100+ episodes (or any of the 30 Bite Size ones) please let me know as I'd love to hear about the impact of the show. roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Nathalie and Vicki talk to me about the work they do with colleagues about the transformative use of objects and spaces in learning and being able to see things in a new way. If you have changed anything in the way you teach because of the podcasts or if you have something you'd like to share, please contact me at roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Chris tells me about this amazing resources and how he's used it for science teaching. He covers access, various ways it can be used and gives practical examples. If you'd like to find out more he's also put together a video, available here: https://youtu.be/v4Vqp6YQA38?si=o0DGByQypTdcuMy7&t=281 If you have feedback on any of the episodes or suggestions for content please contact me at roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Mehdi shares his experience of being a teacher of architecture to students in Canada, covering his philosophy and some examples of how he gets the best out of students.

Emma and I discuss a range of things related to her teaching in neuroscience, including blancmange brains and giant soft toys to help create engagement in large lectures. If any of the topics from previous episodes have helped with your teaching or affected the way you do things please get in touch, it would be lovely to hear more. roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Alexandra and I discuss PBL, learning by doing, mind maps, dealing with unpreparedness and working in groups. Dr. Alexandra Mihai is Assistant Professor of Innovation in Higher Education in the Department of Educational Research and Development, School of Business and Economics, Maastricht University. Previously she worked as Learning Designer at University College London (UCL), Curriculum Designer at the Institute of European Studies, Vrije Universiteit Brussel (VUB) and led the Centre for Teaching Innovations at the Hertie School of Governance in Berlin. Alexandra has a strong background in e-learning, learning design and innovative teaching strategies. In her PhD she analyzed in how far technology is used in teaching practices at European universities. You can find more information in her newsletter: https://educationalist.substack.com/ If you have enjoyed the show or have something you'd like to contribute please contact me on roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Thank you to everyone who has listened to and followed the podcast. If you'd like to share something I'm now arranging recordings for Season 5, which will start in September. Please contact me on roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk If you'd like to have a talk about activities, playful learning or card games feel free to get in touch. I'm always happy to chat or to share with colleagues across the country.

Welcome to the 100th episode of the L&T Chat Show. Alison and I discuss her online resource, The Value of Play in HE and her current research into the use of generative AI in playful learning. You can find out more at Alison's web site: https://engagingimagination.com  and this is the link to the free download of the book The Value of Play in HE: https://engagingimagination.com/the-value-of-play-in-he-a-study-free-book/ Here is the invitation for anyone who would like to contribute to PLAYI: https://engagingimagination.com/an-invitation-to-playi/ And this is the link to the work co-edited by Chrissi Nerantzi on creative ideas with AI: https://creativehecommunity.wordpress.com/2023/06/23/oa-book-101-creative-ideas-to-use-ai-in-education/ Thank you to everyone who has supported the podcast. If you'd like to be involved with Season 5 please contact me on roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

This week Kate and I follow on from our previous conversation about student belonging by looking at the various factors that contribute to creating a positive impact. Here is the link to the UPP report mentioned: https://upp-foundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/3135-Student-Futures-Commission-Digital.pdf If you have something to share we're now looking for contributors from Series 5, contact roger.saunders@smu.ac.uk

Jenny and I discuss the technique she uses in class to help promote engagement, participation and reflection. If you're interested in learning more you can find a full list of publications here: https://www.worcester.ac.uk/about/profiles/dr-jenny-lewin-jones and on google scholar: https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=W09UVawAAAAJ Or the most cited is: Mitra, B., Lewin-Jones, J., Barrett, H. & Williamson, S. (2010) ‘The use of video to enable deep learning’, Research in Post-compulsory Education 15(4) pp.405-414 If you'd like to get in touch Jenny's Linkedin is: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-jenny-lewin-jones-675992101/  If you have something you'd like to share we're now looking for people to record for series 5, just contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Karl and John talk to me about the work they have been doing in Accounting and Education using Playmobil Pro to explore ideas, contexts and experiences in an insightful and joyful way. If you'd like to learn more you can contact Karl on K.Mccormack@staffs.ac.uk There is more about the methodology developed by Pro.Play here https://www.proplaymethod.com/ and Karl is able to run the training if anyone want to be a certified facilitator. The Playmobil.pro website is https://pro.playmobil.com/ and gives details of the different kits available as well as case examples. Information on John's research can be found here: https://www.bera.ac.uk/blog/playing-with-playmobil-supporting-undergraduate-conceptual-understanding-in-environmental-and-sustainability-education https://journals.gre.ac.uk/index.php/compass/article/view/1436 If you enjoy this episode please share with colleagues

In today's episode David talks about how his Business Projects (alternative to the dissertation) form a proxy for students unable to take a placement and increase employability through industry relevant experience. If you'd like to learn more contact dgordon@dmu.ac.uk If you enjoy the episode please tell your friends and colleagues. If you have something you'd like to share on any aspect of teaching, learning, assessment or student experience please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Do students really understand what we mean when we produce our extensive and helpful assessment briefs? What about those lovely rubric or grading criteria? Do they know how their work will be judged and how to judge their own? All this and more is covered in today's episode. For more details: Jones, H. Mansi, G.  H. Orpin, H. Monsey, H. Molesworth, C. (2023) Transitions into Higher Education, Critical Publishing Mansi, G. (2021) Bridging the gap between the marker’s tacit knowledge and student understanding of assessment and feedback, Compass: journal of learning and teaching, vol 14 (2), pp 1-8. QAA, 2022: Making the language of assessment inclusive’, Making the language of assessment inclusive: New QAA Membership podcast If you enjoy this episode please tell your friends. If you have something you'd like to share contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

This is the narration for a digital presentation I am doing for the Chartered Association of Business Schools Learning & Teaching Conference. If you'd like a copy of the slides, please contact me on roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk (I am also happy to present this session live)

Today I talk to Anthony Manning and Silvia Colaiacomo about their new Introductory Handbook on Internationalisation at Home. They discuss a variety of ways in which international students can help create a more diverse experience for all students across a University cohort. Along with their colleague Emma Marku they have produced the following resources, which is free to download and has already been accessed by Universities from over 60 countries and which will be explore further in an up-coming conference: Manning, A. and Marku, E. et al (2024) Internationalisation at Home: An Introductory Handbook, UUKi https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/sites/default/files/uploads/UUKi/IaH%20handbook/IAH%20UUKi%20150124%20v2.pdf Manning, A., Pilsbury, D., Adrey, J-B, and Illieva, J. (2023) Is The UK developing Global Mindsets?. International Higher Education Commission https://ihecommission.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/IHEC-Report_Is-the-UK-developing-global-mindsets-Report_24_10_2023.pdf Manning, A., Colaiacomo, S. and Linehan, A. (2022) Harnessing the benefits of sanctuary scholarship: opportunities for community enhancement, widening participation and Internationalisation at Home. Intercultural Education https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14675986.2022.2144623 Manning, A. and Colaiacomo, S. (2021) Innovations in Internationalisation at Home: - Cambridge Scholars. https://www.cambridgescholars.com/product/978-1-5275-6656-9 https://thepienews.com/analysis/internationalising-at-home/ https://thepienews.com/news/uuki-releases-intlisation-home-handbook/

Dan and I discuss his work on the PGCert in Empowering Education covering memory exercises, team work, jigsaw learning, peer learning and teaching, the 4 Ps of questioning and professional conversations. If you've enjoyed this, or any other episode please like, review, share and follow. If you have a topic that you'd like to share with colleagues please contact me on roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Neil, Vikki and Liz talk me though the research they've been doing on compassion in teaching and introduce the idea of compassionate assessment. If you'd like to find out more or to join the Compassionate Assessment Network https://www.qaa.ac.uk//en/membership/collaborative-enhancement-projects/assessment/compassionate-assessment-in-higher-education For more information about the research Bunting, L, Hill, V., Ingham, M. & Vicente Richards, A. (2023, forthcoming) Sent with love: Love letters as a way of thinking about relational pedagogies of assessment. In Critical Posthumanism and Education: Key Debates, Theoretical Perspectives and Pedagogies, Routledge. Hill, V. (2023) Enacting compassion during the pandemic: academic staff experiences of a No Detriment Policy on pass/fail assessment in Carrigan, M., Moscovitz, H., Martini, M. & Robertson, S. (eds) Building the Post-Pandemic University: Imaging, Contesting and Materializing Higher Education Futures. Edward Elgar Publishing Ltd. Hill, V., Bunting, L., Currant, N., Salines, E., Broadhead, S., da Costa, L. & Mantho, R. (2023) Belonging through Assessment Pipelines of Compassion. University of the Arts London, Online. ISBN 978-1-90690882-9 QAA Collaborative Enhancement Project Page: Belonging through Assessment: Pipelines of Compassion. https://www.qaa.ac.uk/membership/collenhancement - projects/assessment/belonging-through-assessment-pipelines-of-compassion Bunting, L. & Hill, V. (2021) Relational Reflections: How do we nurture belonging in creative Higher Education? Innovative Practice in Higher Education. pp.139-165 ISSN 2044-3315 If you enjoy this or any of the other episodes, please like, review and share

Kate and I talk about the work she has done over many years working with students as so-creators and co-researchers. If you'd like to read more check out her articles: Strudwick, K. (2017) Debating Student as Producer – Relationships; Contexts and Challenges for Higher Education PRISM Casting New Light on Learning, Theory and Practice, May 1 (1) pp. 73-96 ISSN 2514-5347http://prism-journal.blackburn.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Strudwick_2017_Student-as-Producer.pdf Strudwick, K., Jameson, J., Gordon, J., Brookfield, K., McKane, C., and Pengelly, G. (2017) Understanding the gap’ to participate or not? - Evaluating student engagement and active participation Student Engagement in Higher Education Journal RAISE, Vol 1, (2) pp.81-87 ISSN: 2399-1836 https://sehej.raise-network.com/raise/article/view/strudwick Jameson, J., Jones, M., and Strudwick, K. (2012) Browne, employability and the rhetoric of choice: student as producer and the sustainability of HE. Enhancing Learning in the Social Sciences, 4 (3). pp. 1-15. ISSN: 1756-848X Jameson, J., Strudwick, K., Bond-Taylor, S., and Jones, M. (2012) Academic principles versus employability pressures: a modern power struggle or a creative opportunity? . Teaching in Higher Education, 17 (1). pp. 25-37. ISSN: 1356-2517  Strudwick, K., and Jameson, J. (2010) Employability skills in social sciences: parent and students’ expectations.Project Report. Centre for Sociology, Anthropology and Politics C-SAP, Birmingham. If you enjoy this or any of the other episodes please like, review and share. If you have something you'd like to talk about please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Alex and I discuss his approach to teaching that involves helping students to understand how schemas can be applied to learning based on the work of Sandra Marshall. If you enjoy this or any of the other episodes please like, review and share. If you have something you'd like to bring to the pod please contact me roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

Kathleen talks me through work she is doing for a Post Graduate course with Parallel Lives in creating briefs based on local and international organisations dealing with health and social issues. The work of Parallel Lives can be found here https://www.theparallellives.net/ If you enjoy this episode please like, review and share If you have something you'd like to discuss please contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk

As a precursor to World Autism Acceptance Week (2-8th April) Hannah shares with me her personal experience of what it is like to be autistic gives some ideas for how to use that awareness in teaching. Hannah referenced the work of Nick Walker https://neuroqueer.com/neurodiversity-terms-and-definitions/ whose writing is a key starting point for anyone wanting to know more.  Hannah Breslin is an Autistic academic who speaks and writes about the pedagogy of employability, leadership, Autistic experiences and the intersections across all three. She currently leads a team of academics and careers professionals that sits within Careers & Employability at UAL. Hannah's happy to discuss all things neurodiversity-related, you can find her on linkedin.com/in/hannah-breslin/ and medium.com/@hannah.breslin If you enjoy this or any other episode please like, review and share. If you have a topic you'd like to discuss contact roger.saunders@dmu.ac.uk