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S2 Ep14 The Creative's Mind – with Professor David Alais

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S2 Ep15 Getting started
This episode, Andy is in Tasmania for Foundry Live. Foundry Live is a conference  by Foundry Creative School in Tasmania. Every few months they invite industry leaders to speak to their students and local businesses. At the end of September, Andy attended alongside Todd Henderson, Director of architecture firm, Cumulus; Chi Ryan, Experience Strategy Director at pwc and Marcel Jacobs, Design Lead at Mentally Friendly. Given the audience at the event, this episode is especially good for those of you looking to get a break in the industry. But even if you're looking to create a good first impression or network for a new role, there's some great advice in this one. You can find out more about Todd, Chi and Marcel at the Foundry Live event page. Thanks to Matt Leach and Ali Kerr for collaborating on this one and giving us permission to share with the NNC community. FOLLOW: @myfoundrylife @adwrighty @sarahpnguyen @nvrnotcreative Thanks to: @streamtime
October 16, 2019
S2 Ep14 The Creative's Mind – with Professor David Alais
Professor David Alais is a psychologist and neuroscientist at The University of Sydney. Sarah and Andy caught up with David to understand better how the creative mind works, and how we can do a better job of looking after it. David's research focuses on how we perceive the world through our senses, how we interpret and create our reality, and how we deal with ambiguity and imagine solutions. This episode covers everything from mindfulness to mindlessness and how being productive with your creativity doesn't mean chaining yourself to your mac for hours on end. Don't forget to subscribe, rate and review, and share with your friends 🙏 Links:
September 4, 2019
S2 Ep13 Being brutally honest
This episode is packed full of advice on running a business as a creative – get your notebooks out! Andy and Sarah caught up with Emily Cohen, creative business consultant and author of Brutally Honest. We discussed the challenges facing creative businesses, changing models, how to deal with clients, and how to get serious about business. Emily shared why it's good to be transparent with your employees, friends with your competition, how the next generation of creatives are much more business savvy than their predecessors, and that honesty is definitely the best policy. This is one of our most practical episodes yet, jam-packed with advice for creatives of all levels to help work better with clients and create more profitable businesses. You can find Emily's book at - get the credit card out and make an investment in your future business :-) FOLLOW Emily at @emilyruthcohen @adwrighty @sarahpnguyen @streamtime
August 20, 2019
S2 Ep12 Minding The Gap
Andy and Sarah caught up with Chris Doyle who last year started an initiative called This Is Not University. TINU is a mentoring program that Chris started to help bridge the gap between education and career as he realised that he didn’t have the time / money to be able to commit to hiring interns. Almost a year in and Chris joins us with Wilson Leung, the first participant in the program and now full time employee of Christopher Doyle & Co. We discuss Chris’ goals for the programme Wilson’s experience and what we can do to make interning in general, a more structured and positive experience. You can find out more about This Is Not University here:  Socials: @cd_and_co @waishunwilson @sarahpnguyen @adwrighty
August 7, 2019
S2 Ep11 Looking after each other
Our industry is nothing without the people who make it. So, what do we do to make sure they're thriving? How are we helping them grow? In this episode, Andy and Sarah catch up with Manon Pietra, People and Culture Director at PHD Media. We discuss how to talk about and develop job satisfaction, the minimum standards of a mentally healthy workplace that you should expect from your employer and what we can all do to help look after each other. If you enjoy this episode and would like to keep talking about it - jump over to our Facebook group or hit us up on Instagram @nvrnotcreative. Thanks to Streamtime who without their support, none of this would be possible. Check out to manage projects and your creative business, better.
July 24, 2019
S2 Ep10 NNC x ADR collaboration - Running a business with your best mate
Australian Design Radio and Never Not Creative hosts Matt Leach and Andy Wright found themselves in Brisbane together at The Design Conference. Therefore, it was a no-brainer to combine mics and interview the founders of Ustwo, Sinx and Mills about the ups and downs of running a business and what it's like to do all of that as best mates. You can follow Ustwo and Mills at @ustwo or @millsustwo - thanks to the guys for such a great chat! Thanks to @Streamtime for making a lot of what we do happen. Subscribe to the show on Spotify, iTunes, or wherever else you get your podcasts by searching for Never Not Creative. And, of course if you don't subscribe to the excellent ADR just search for them at Australian Design Radio.
July 6, 2019
S2Ep9 Industry Events: Inspiration, community and self-development
After a month of high quality events in the creative industry, Sarah and Andy unpack how important it is to get out to find inspiration, community and spend some time on your own self-development. Sarah attended Rare by Google, Semi-Permanent and The Design Conference (TDC), while Andy was also a co-host of TDC. We discuss the great job these events are doing, why it's important to take the time to attend and what we've learnt in the last month. This is also a great insight into the content and lessons from these events, so well worth listening if you're considering a ticket for next year! Please review the show on itunes or wherever you're listening to this. We'll be back in a fortnight. Links:
June 7, 2019
S2Ep8 How can we make a brighter future for the creative industry?
This episode was sparked by a tweet. On the 2nd April, Andy tweeted, "Sometimes it feels like we really don't want to create a better industry. When you look at what we do to the people trying to start out or get ahead it's simply baffling..." It was followed by a series of examples and stories that people had shared through the Never Not Creative community. Quite a few of you chipped in with thoughts and opinions, and some of the active participants of the conversation agreed to get together and discuss some of the issues. So, joining Andy and Sarah in this episode are Jim Antonopoulos from Tank, Ngaio Parr from Make Nice, and previous guest, Gabby Lord. We discuss everything from the role of leadership to basic human instincts. It's a great conversation across New York, Melbourne and Sydney. That meant the audio can be a little annoying at times (sorry for that). Please stick with it though as the conversation is important! Link to the original tweet: Have your own thoughts? Jump into the Never Not Creative Facebook group or reignite the Twitter thread!
May 22, 2019
S2Ep7 What diversity can bring to the creative industry
Big questions in this episode. Is the lack of diversity in the creative industry holding us back? Can we be more creative as a result? What's it like to be a person of colour in our industry? Jane and G work in a Sydney creative agency. Both people of colour from London, they're certainly a minority in the Australian creative industry. What has their experience been so far? How can we help more people get into our industry? We discuss everything from quotas to education and family expectations. It's a great episode about an important (too often ignored) topic. Feel free to continue the conversation in our Facebook group of tweet / insta us at @nvrnotcreative. Thanks to @Streamtime as always! and co-host @sarahpnguyen Notes: Here's the website referenced towards the end of the episode:  Find G at @iamghettosmurf (Twitter) and thisis.g (insta) Find Jane at @flightsofashion (Twitter and insta)
May 8, 2019
S2Ep6 Why go in-house as a creative?
Maggie Tang (ex Frost, Houston Group and current Head of Brand at Ableton), and Christian Hewitt ex R/GA, part of InVision's Design Leadership Forum and current Head of Design at Streamtime) join Andy and Sarah to discuss what it's like to make the decision to go in-house as a creative. Will you compromise your creativity? Do you get bored working on one brand? Are the hours and your mental health better? And, why are more and more people crossing the line? If you like the discussion and think others would benefit please share with your networks on social media and tag @nvrnotcreative. Got feedback or more questions? Just hit us up on insta or twitter or send us an email at
April 25, 2019
S2Ep5 - Getting a foot in the door
This episode Andy and Sarah discuss a recent Never Not Creative event –  The Future Of Internships. Should they or shouldn't they be paid? How do we make sure that internships aren't just accessible to those who can afford them? What stories exist around unpaid internships? What's the law? Why is our industry breaking it? What's the role of education in improving this situation? Included on the panel at the event were: Beau Penton, host of The Design Kids, Sydney Bianca Jarvis, Graphic Designer Rhiannon Tuntevski, Industry Partnerships at UTS Lara Blumber, Career Coach at General Assembly. Please review, share and rate us on your podcast platform. Also don't forget to vote for Streamtime at The Webbys.
April 9, 2019
S2 Ep4 - Causing a Creative Industry Boom
We catch up with Katy Cowan, the founder of Creative Boom. The online magazine for the creative industry that supports and provides resources for anyone working (or thinking of) in the creative industry. Katy shares stories of freedom, growing a side project, and finding the balance of doing what you love AND helping others. Is growing business the goal, or should we focus on growing ourselves and managing our mental health? Oh, and is a mid-life crisis actually a thing? Check out Creative Boom and Please share with friends and leave us a review wherever you're listening to this. We love to feel special! Back in 2 weeks!
March 27, 2019
S2Ep3 - Providing support for women in the creative industry
In this episode we get frank about the experiences of women in the creative industry. Mirella Marie is the founder of Womentor. An international mentor network for female graphic designers. Mirella talks to us about the inspiration for Womentor and how it has evolved into a global program. We also find the link between design and crime as Mirella shares her passion for criminology and the part she plays in the RMIT innocence project. If you're interested in applying for Womentor, head to (no matter where you are in the world). Thanks to Mirella and thanks to co-host Sarah Nguyen! Ideas for future guests? Please drop us a line via or in the Facebook group (just search never not creative). Or email on Please rate us on your podcast player and share through your favourite social networks. It really, really helps us grow the community and spread the word.
March 12, 2019
S2Ep2 - Best of 2018 - part 2
It's the second half of our review show. Sarah and Andy discuss internships with the highlights from our chats with Adam Thorn (journalist at Mumbrella) and Dean Jacobson (a creative from Melbourne). We get into parental leave, re-capping on our chat with Kate Pollard (Co-founder, Circle In) and finish off by re-opening the discussions with AGDA from the end of the year. As always, please share your favourite bits on social media, tagging @nvrnotcreative. Come and discuss the themes in our Facebook group, and please share any ideas you have for future topics and guests. We'll be back again in 2 weeks.
February 28, 2019
S2Ep1 - Best of 2018 - part 1
To kick off season 2, we review the best of season 1. Andy and co-host Sarah, go back to the start to discuss vulnerability and struggle with some of the highlights from Andy's chat with Josie Young and Tina Victoria Afshar. We also talk egos and feelings with Kit Palaskas and re-cap on the magical 5hr working day with Charl Laubscher from Love and Money.  Part 2 is up next week. If you'd like to share, this is a great one for intro-ing friends and colleagues to Never Not Creative.  Ideas for future guests? just hit us up at @nvrnotcreative or in the Facebook group.
February 19, 2019
AGDA and staying relevant for the design community
In the second part of our chat with Nic Eldridge, CEO of AGDA, we focus on the future. What are the challenges facing AGDA as we enter 2019? How will AGDA remain relevant? Nic also adds some clarity on who AGDA is, who it's for and what it isn't! This is our last episode of the year. Please rate or review us, share with your friends etc etc. That would be a nice little Xmas gift and take no time at all! Have a great holiday and we'll see you in a month or so.
December 20, 2018
The great debate around awards and AGDA
As we move into the final weeks of the year, we have special guest, Nic Eldridge. Nic's the CEO of AGDA (the Australian Graphic Design Association) and a major voice in the design industry. In this first part of 2, we talk about the recent AGDA awards, the role of a jury, how to pick one, and how work wins awards. If you like the podcast, please give us a rating on your podcast platform of choice and share with friends and colleagues... it would be greatly appreciated!
December 18, 2018
Creating better conditions for parents returning to work
In this episode, we talk to Kate Pollard. Kate, is the co-founder of Circle In, a startup focused on creating a community to improve working conditions for working mums. It’s a big issue and one that can help with other challenges around gender, fairness and equality in our industry. You can find out more about Circle In at They’ve got great resources, articles and more to help improve the confidence of women going back to work and educating all of us on the importance of sharing the responsibility of parenting across men and women.
December 13, 2018
Mentally Healthy - Does the creative industry have a mental health problem?
This week we launched the results of the Mentally Healthy 2018 research – one of the largest studies into the mental health of the creative, media and marketing industries. If you didn't get the chance to watch the live stream or attend the event at Twitter then don't worry. This episode is all about the results. Visit for a link to the slides if you'd like to follow along as well. Special thanks to our partners Everymind and UNltd.
December 7, 2018
Future Models For The Creative Industry
Part 2 of our chat with Jules Ehrhardt, former co-owner of Ustwo and founder of Fktry, a creative capital studio. Jules talks about future models, bringing all of yourself to work and how we need to take responsibility for change. Follow him on Medium and Twitter @ezyjules
November 30, 2018
The Future Of The Creative Industry with Jules Ehrhardt
Jules Ehrhardt is obsessed. Obsessed about the future of our industry and changing the terms of business for the creative class. How do we stop creativity being seen as a commodity? Can we make equity for expertise a reality? What does a new creative economy look like? Jules is a former Co-Owner of Ustwo, the author of The State Of The Digital Nation (look it up on Medium) and founder of Pledge Parental Leave and Fktry. This is just part 1. Much more to come next week.
November 17, 2018
What's Going On?
This episode, Andy's on his own. So this is the perfect opportunity to let you know what's been going on and what's coming up in Never Not Creative land. From some early insight into the results of the Mentally Healthy survey to who you can look forward to hearing from in the next episode. Plus, news on upcoming events in Sydney and Melbourne. Thanks for listening, please like, review or share on your platform of choice, and get involved at or on Instagram and Facebook.
November 9, 2018
Internships - could standardised programs be the answer?
This is part 2 of our chat with Dean Jacobson, a designer from Melbourne. We disagreed on the subject of whether all internships should be paid. In this episode we start to discuss whether there are solutions that could make internships better and more valuable for the intern. Whether an standardised program could be a solution and if clarifying the difference between mentorships and internships could help. As we're getting into solutions, it would be great to hear what you think. Please message us via the website or in the community at If you like the podcast, please share it in your social feeds, with friends and colleagues and give us a review on anchor, itunes, or your podcast channel of choice. If not, let us know why. We'd always love to make it better!
November 4, 2018
Internships and the benefit of hindsight
Episode 12 brings us back to internships. They’re such a great way to get a foot in the door, prove your worth and start a career. But, should they be paid? Is there a maximum duration? What’s a good one look like? How can you steer clear of a bad one. Andy chats to Dean Jacobson a designer from Melbourne after having a mini “agree to disagree” chat on Twitter. This episode is part 1, setting the scene with intern experiences and the beginning of a dialogue on whether there is actually an issue to be addressed when it comes to internships.
October 24, 2018
What are we worth? And what should we be rewarding?
This final instalment of a discussion with Maggie Tang and Gabby Lord focuses on the value of creative work. How do you ensure that clients recognise the value you provide? How do you ensure that you don't sell yourself short from both a monetary and self-esteem perspective? It's been fun having a multi-national perspective. Who else would you like to hear from on the podcast? Hit us up at
October 16, 2018
The Future, Unicorns And The (Potential) Power Of Community
In part 2 of our chat with Gabby Lord and Maggie Tang, we get inspired by Gabby's tweets (@gabbylord_ if you're not following already). From the unachievable expectations of job ads, to the cost of award entries and what it's like to stick your neck out and hope you don't get shot down.
October 10, 2018
Gender, Confidence and the Money Question
This is the first in a 3 part series of a conversation I had with Gabby Lord and Maggie Tang. Both are Aussie creatives in Berlin with significant opinions on the industry and ideas for solutions. In this first part we discuss what it's like to be a woman in the industry, whether disparity in pay still exists (it does!) and why.
October 4, 2018
Real Talk - feelings, struggles and honesty
In the second half of our chat with Kitiya Palaskas, things get very real and very personal. Kit has started an initiative called the Real Talk Project ( It's a project to encourage openness and honesty and to help reduce the stigma around admitting if and when you're doing it tough.
September 26, 2018
Burnout and Accountability with Kitiya Palaskas
In this episode, we chat with Melbourne creative Kitiya Palaskas about burnout, accountability and how to deal with social media. Check out more about Kit at
September 19, 2018
Investigating unpaid internships with Mumbrella's Adam Thorn
Adam Thorn is a journalist for Australia's media, marketing and creative industry news site, Mumbrella. For the last few months he's been investigating unpaid internships in the media industry. He shares his findings, the stories he uncovered and the potential solutions for making starting a career, much more accessible.
September 8, 2018
The Creative Juggle
In this episode we interview Charl Laubscher, the founder of Love + Money. Charl has had a fascinating journey through creative agencies and used that experience to start up his own. Love + Money have recently moved to a shortened work day, quality of work and productivity is up, and people have more time in their personal life!
August 30, 2018
NNC Mini - Mentally Healthy 2018
A first "mini" episode recorded while walking to and from the Mumbrella Health Marketing Summit to launch our research study, Mentally Healthy 2018. Let us know if these mini episodes are a good idea. And if you're happy with speed over quality. Airpods and iPhone for this one.
August 23, 2018
Vulnerability and the creative's struggle
In the last part of our discussion with Josie and Tina we tackle some personal experiences around some of the mental and emotional struggles of being a creative. Don’t forget to share and subscribe for more!
August 21, 2018
Internships and getting the right start in the industry
In part 2 of our chat with Josie and Tina we discuss are we giving people entering the creative industry the best possible start? Should interns be paid? If not, what does that mean for others who can’t afford to work for free?
August 13, 2018
Gender And Opportunity In The Creative Industry
We chat with Josie Young (Christopher Doyle & Co.) and Tina Victoria Afshar (Common State) about being a woman in the industry and what we can do to find better balance and inclusion. Big thanks to Josie and Tina who gave up their Saturday afternoons to record this.
August 7, 2018
Welcome to Never Not Creative
An intro to the Never Not Creative podcast and what we're up to as a community for creatives.
July 29, 2018
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