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Out of Rich Darkness

Out of Rich Darkness

By C Savage-Kroll and E Cheah
Creativity, beauty, and growth often have their roots in times of crisis. What feels like darkness and decay can be rich soil for new life and for yet unimagined ways of being.

Conceived during the Corona-pandemic, this podcast is a space for candid conversations about life, music, and nourishing a regenerative culture in the arts.

Co-hosts Elena Cheah and Camille Savage-Kroll are friends and colleagues at the Hochschule für Musik in Freiburg, Germany.
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This episode has been in the cupboard for a reeeeeallly long time for reasons we went into in our first episode of the season, but we still think it's a fantastic listen. It was a pleasure discovering the fearless creator that is Steph Richards. We talk about Steph’s latest album “Supersense” (listen here: https://stephrichards.bandcamp.com/album/supersense), her creative process, and how one of her goals is creating music that you can almost taste! We also speak to Steph about concerts as spell casting, which includes taking things into consideration like the temperature of the room. We discuss what can be learned from commercial music, why building a rich community is so essential, and the idea that “you are what you eat” as an artist. We also talk about the best time for musicians to take risks and what risk-taking has to do with artistry. We explore the following questions: what does it mean to think past our own instruments? What can we learn from musicians who play other instruments, and what role can different materials play in our music-making? https://www.stephrichards.com
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In this episode, we talk about what we are currently thinking about and struggling with as the pandemic allows for more freedom. Are we trying to go back to how things were as fast as possible? Are we holding on to ideas just because they are familiar to us? Or are we consciously entering a new era and building musicals lives that allow us to thrive?  We also introduce our new podcast season. Our fascinating guests are all innovators in the music landscape, and we loved digging into the details of the paths they carved and how they are actively shaping the future of music.  What does your reboot look like? Leave us a message on Facebook or Instagram, or you can leave us a voice message on Anchor (https://anchor.fm/outofrichdarkness).
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September 14, 2021
Fabiana Biasini part 2
Fabiana Biasini is both an internationally acclaimed concert pianist and a specialist for learning and development. As a piano soloist, she has performed with the Bolshoy Opera Minsk Orchestra, the Santa Cecilia Orchestra, the Budapest Symphony Orchestra, the Kiev State Symphony Orchestra, and many more. She began to work as a freelance learning and development specialist for FAO in 2011, and in 2017 she became a full-time employee of UNICEF while continuing to play concerts regularly in Italy, Germany, and even New York's Carnegie Hall. In this second part of our conversation, we talk about adaptability and the health of being 'only a musician' rather than having other sources of income, like many visual artists. We also toy with an idea that would be truly revolutionary for our industry...
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September 14, 2020
Fabiana Biasini part 1
Fabiana Biasini is both an internationally acclaimed concert pianist and a specialist for learning and development. As a piano soloist, she has performed with the Bolshoy Opera Minsk Orchestra, the Santa Cecilia Orchestra, the Budapest Symphony Orchestra, the Kiev State Symphony Orchestra, and many more. She began to work as a freelance learning and development specialist for FAO in 2011, and in 2017 she became a full-time employee of UNICEF while continuing to play concerts regularly in Italy, Germany, and even New York's Carnegie Hall. In this episode, we talk to her about her choices in life, making a positive impact in the world, and why we don’t improvise as classical musicians. This is part one of our 2-part conversation.
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September 7, 2020
Stella Whalley part 2
This is part 2 of our conversation with Stella Whalley about creativity and resilience. In our continued conversation, we talk about: creating within and outside of the institution artist residencies using everything you find to create how musicians might use audience feedback to energize our creation and creativity Follow us on Instagram @outofrichdarkness to see the picture Stella talks about!
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August 31, 2020
Stella Whalley part 1
I, Elena, first met Stella Whalley at an the Obras artist residency in Portugal, where I learned so much about what art can be and how different artists work. Stella struck me as an artist who uses everything that comes into her life as material for her work, and even years later, I remembered her story of how she used a hereditary shake of her hand as part of a piece of video art. Stella describes herself as an artist who produces work in response to space and place, to architecture and environment, to objects and materials, archaeological references and archives, and to local histories and narratives. She has exhibited at Empire II of the Venice Biennale 2017, at the Nakanojo Biennale Japan 2015, the Wilson Gallery Cheltenham, the Victoria & Albert Museum London, and the Birmingham City Art Gallery. In this first part of our conversation, we talk about using your mistakes, getting audience feedback, and how a disaster transformed Stella's life and work. Stella talks about releasing the personal attachment to what you are creating in order to be able to see everything that happens to you as material for your work.
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Jason Alexander Holmes part 2
This episode is a continuation of last week’s conversation with the wonderful Jason Alexander Holmes, director of the Cincinnati Boychoir. These are some of the topics we cover in this conversation: connecting to people at a deeper level The perils of adventurous programming Fear of not looking like an expert Reflecting students’ backgrounds in programming Honoring cultures that are not our own Nourishing classical music through diversity Inclusivity
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August 17, 2020
Jason Alexander Holmes part 1
Our wonderful guest Jason Alexander Holmes is the artistic director of the Cincinnati Boychoir. Previously, he served as the director of educational programming at the Boston Children's Chorus, where he oversaw the musical and social education of over 400 singers. Choirs under Jason's direction are consistently praised not only for their energetic yet unified tone and engaging performance, but also for the expressive ways in which singers use their voices and bodies to communicate. Additionally, Jason is known for innovate programming which celebrates the cultural context in which his choirs operate while encouraging singers and audiences alike to stretch their awareness by living in musical worlds to which they may not be accustomed. Pedagogically, Jason is committed to implementing culturally responsive practices in music education and he has given many workshops and conference sessions on this topic. At the core of Jason's teaching and performing is the belief that we are all expressive and musical beings who deserve to witness and participate regularly in moments of truth and beauty. This episode is the first part of a two-part conversation. Some of the topics covered here are: the communal aspect of music the way individuals contribute to a group being a Black person and leader in classical music finding a community that will embrace you what inclusion really means (caring about people)
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August 10, 2020
Anne-Therese Gennari
The entrepreneur Anne-Therese Gennari began her career as a model and then, in 2017, she co-founded Role Models Management, a talent agency that puts ethics, sustainability, and social justice at the core of its business. She describes herself as a climate optimist and is about to start teaching a class in climate optimism. We had a wonderful conversation about how to create change from within any industry, how to think about activism in an empowering way, and what music means in the context of envisioning a new world. We couldn’t be more thrilled to be starting our second season with this amazing young woman.
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August 3, 2020
A Three-Dimensioned Life
Where has the status quo brought us, we ask ourselves as we continue to explore big questions during this suspension of 'business as usual.' We reflect on what we want to give and receive through music and music education, and we consider what a three-dimensioned life would look like, a line we've borrowed from Wendell Berry's magnificent poem How To Be a Poet (to remind myself). As always, we would love to hear from you, and this time we're asking what you think we should talk about next when it comes to fostering a regenerative culture in the arts. Find us on Facebook or Instagram @outofrichdarkness
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May 23, 2020
Technical Difficulties
This episode explores the surprises and challenges that come with teaching online in a pandemic.
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May 2, 2020
Professional Amateurs
In our very first episode we discuss the effects of the current corona pandemic on our lives as music professors in Germany and spin ideas about what life could be like two years from now.  If you take the time to listen, we would love to hear from you! What are your ideas for the world of 2022? How did the crisis of 2020 set your life on a new track? 
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April 18, 2020
Welcome to Out of Rich Darkness
Creativity, beauty, and growth often have their roots in times of crisis. What feels like darkness and decay can be rich soil for new life and for yet unimagined ways of being. Conceived during the Corona-pandemic, this podcast is a space for candid conversations about life, music, and nourishing a regenerative culture in the arts. Co-hosts Elena Cheah and Camille Savage-Kroll are friends and colleagues at the Hochschule für Musik in Freiburg, Germany.
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