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Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 10: Thank You

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Backbone of the Band - the Drummer - Percussive Epilogue
Deborah Pfingston and Michael Bruce Thompson share their final conversation on 'Backbone of the Band - the Drummer'.  War Drums to 'who would have guessed they played the drums', Deborah and Michael laugh, talk and sadly finish their conversation.     Note that all of the music you have been listening to in these episodes has Michael on the drum throne. At the end of each episode the remainder of the song is played - give it a listen. If you have any questions or comments for Deborah or Michael - please email PennyUniversity@protonmail.com. Please listen - like - and share.  Thank you :) As in previous episodes, any one, or group, that we mention you can fine their information below: Stevie Wonder - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN6jASlWJGY Viola Smith (she is currently 108 years old) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSAJIggd74 Mel Torme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bYvZEpHEMA Sammy Davis Jr - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR_xdZbMQiw Johnny Carson - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SS16APU65E Rosie O’Donnell -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zERirHJMes4 Fred Astaire - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=479-6WzYTgY Steven Tyler - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cChwtelVY7M&list=RDSXv1gDf56eA&start_radio=1 Dana Carvey - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qi3JERmk9E Frank Zappa - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20ZUO79il6A
53:02
October 12, 2020
Backbone of the Band - the Drummer: Drums are Healing
Deborah Pfingston and Michael Bruce Thompson talk about their experiences with the healing properties of drumming.   Drums can heal your heart and soul.  Listen, then pick up some sticks and heal. Note that all of the music you have been listening to in these episodes has Michael on the drum throne. At the end of each episode the remainder of the song is played - give it a listen. If you have any questions or comments for Deborah, Michael or Bryan - please email PennyUniversity@protonmail.com. Please listen - like - and share.  Thank you :) As in previous episodes, any one, or group, that we mention you can fine their information below: What is a Train Beat - Jim Riley's Secrets To The Train Beat - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikk_R7AQIs8 What is EMDR - https://www.emdr.com/what-is-emdr/
44:24
September 20, 2020
Backbone of the Band - the Drummer: Marching Band is Cool
Listen to Deborah Pfingston and Michael Bruce Thompson talk with their special guest Bryan Harris.   Is Marching Band really cool?  How does it help young people? Is there really a marching world out there? Find out about drum corps and more.   Note that all of the music you have been listening to in these episodes has Michael on the drum throne. At the end of each episode the remainder of the song is played - give it a listen. If you have any questions or comments for Deborah, Michael or Bryan - please email PennyUniversity@protonmail.com. Please listen - like - and share.  Thank you :) As in previous episodes, any one, or group, that we mention you can fine their information below: Bryan Harris Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/citizenofdisturbia/ Terry Bozzio - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQt2inyxNNg Mike Portnoy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GkfR2D3Q3E Drum Corps International - https://www.dci.org/ Winter Guard International - https://www.wgi.org/ Pulse Percussion - https://pulsepercussion.org/ Paradiddle-Diddle Drum Fill - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AXHZWpv928 Ohio State Marching Band - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgT1xZKttJw Blue Devils - https://bluedevils.org/ Dave Grohl - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e05H80-k0mY Queens Of The Stone Age - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s88r_q7oufE
55:28
August 24, 2020
Backbone of the Band - the Drummer - Episode Two: A Brief History and More..."
Listen to Deborah Pfingston and Michael Bruce Thompson discuss a very brief history on this amazing instrument.  Not only is the history interesting, but the 'more' in our title is even 'more' :).   Note that all of the music you have been listening to in these episodes has Michael on the drum throne.   If you have any questions or comments for Deborah or Michael please email PennyUniversity@protonmail.com. As in Episode One, 'Who is Michael Bruce Thompson', here in Episode Two any one that we mention you can fine their information below:     William Ludwig - https://www.moderndrummer.com/article/november-1982-industry-insights-a-candid-conversation-with-william-f-ludwig-jr/ Louie Bellson - https://louiebellson.info/ Def Leppard: 'Hysteria' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMzyleT2FqY Jeffrey Thomas Porcaro - Toto - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ-gfb6nUus Ted Nugent - https://www.tednugent.com/ 'Blast Beat' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4KNXi-SWWc Time Signature - https://www.libertyparkmusic.com/musical-time-signatures/ Led Zeppelin: 'Whole Lotta Love' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQmmM_qwG4k Steve Gad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L7Mv7p40DI Please listen - like - and share. Remember: be strong, wise and safe.
49:38
August 16, 2020
Backbone of the Band - the Drummer - Episode One: Who is Michael Bruce Thompson
Who is Michael Bruce Thompson?  Why the drums?  Listen to his story; from the underground music scene, of his hometown, to playing in front of 30,000 people with a 30 minute notice.  He is open and honest, you feel his love for this primal instrument.  Start your drum lessons here with Deborah Pfingston and Micheal.  Please listen to the music being played throughout this whole episode.  It is Michael and MegaTera Formally Bueno.  The title is 'The Brubs'. In Episode One, Michael mentions some people that really ignited his passion and drove his music.  Let's share them with you: Wes Montgomery - 'Misty' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y17-VpV2jEY Chris Buck - Buck & Evans - 'Ain't No Moonlight' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJThYRzNvtY Charles Foldesh (another Prescott, AZ kid) - Theo Croker Collective 'AFRO BLUE' - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=uSnFwKPIJUk&feature=emb_logo Michael Bruce Thompson - Slash blues session for the Granite Mountain Interagency Hotshot in Prescott, Az concert in 2013 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj9vGRQrfZo&list=RDvj9vGRQrfZo&start_radio=1&t=21
46:16
August 3, 2020
A Torn Heart: Loss of a Child - Episode Five: Deborah Pfingston 'My Treasure'
Deborah Pfingston shares of her loss.  She lost her son, Andrew Sterling Ashcraft, on June 30th, 2013.  He was a wildland firefighter and lost his life along with the crew of the Granite Mountain Hotshots.  It was a very public loss.  But that is not what she shares here.  Deborah shares a short story when her faith was put to the ultimate test.  Is heaven for real?   Deborah's story was part of a video series done by Melodee Tonti - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DVM94otG0D0&feature=youtu.be.  Please take the 20 minutes to watch.  This video is beautifully done and you will understand more of what a parent deals with when they lose a child. The loss never ends and never stops hurting.   Please listen - like - and share.  You can send any comments or questions for Deborah to Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. If you would like more information about the loss of the Granite Mountain Hotshots listen to Penny University's 'Our Investigation, Out Truth'  - https://anchor.fm/pennyuniversity/episodes/Our-Investigation--Our-Truth---Episode-1-Why-e30gc5 Check out our Facebook page Penny University A Podcast with Value.
30:00
June 1, 2020
A Torn Heart: Loss of a Child - Episode Four: Janelle Snyder 'I Hope You Are Together'
Janelle Snyder has had her share of heart pain.  She only got to know her first child, Lincoln Everett, in the womb; he was quiet and stubborn  A mother should never have to hold her child just to say, 'Good-bye.'  Yet, how could this happen to a mother again; Liam Marshall was only in her arms for several weeks.  All Janelle ever wanted to be was a Mom.  Listen and hear how she found a place for what she was feeling.  That if her hands and arms could not wrap around her boys she would have them do something.  Listen and meet her boys.   Janelle's knows that, "Others have been there and survived." She profoundly states, "You don't choose when to grieve, but you choose to heal."  Please listen - like - and share.  You can send any comments or questions for Deborah or Janelle to Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Check out our Facebook page Penny University A Podcast with Value.
49:45
May 25, 2020
A Torn Heart: Loss of a Child - Episode Three: Charlie Koon "She Was a Warrior"
A warrior in his own right Charlie Koon lost his daughter Jessica Nicole Koon to domestic violence.  How do you survive hearing your daughter was murdered?  Listen to Charlie and his powerfully tender story.  A Vietnam veteran he lost his ability to cry; when he lost his brothers in the Mayaguez incident (Knife 13) he never thought he would feel again. Then he got the phone call about Jessica - listen to what happened.  Charlie says, "You have to help people through life. The only way to move forward is action."  No where else does this saying fit more: 'Want to get through a mine field? Follow someone who has made it through.'  https://www.afhistory.af.mil/FAQs/Fact-Sheets/Article/639660/the-mayaguez-incident/ Domestic Violence hotline: https://www.thehotline.org/help/ Please get help - get safe: https://victimconnect.org/learn/types-of-crime/domestic-violence/ Please listen - like - and share.  You can send any comments or questions for Deborah or Charlie to Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Check out our Facebook page Penny University A Podcast with Value.
40:41
May 18, 2020
A Torn Heart: Loss of a Child - Episode Two: Jaye Lene Long "I Hope You Dance"
Jaye Lene Long lost two sons, her story is moving.  Her boys - men - were Travis and Brandon Selinsky (twins).  Both were in the Army, both loved God, country and family.  Jaye Lene experienced, "Groaning from the depths of my soul" twice.  She holds to Romans 8:28 'We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose' & Jeremiah 29:11 'For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.'  Death of children puts your faith to the test.  Listen to Jaye Lene's path. Why the title  'I Hope You Dance,' the song has meaning to Jaye Lene's heart take a listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV-Z1YwaOiw. Please listen - like us - and share.  You can send any comments or questions for Deborah or Jaye Lene to Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Check out our Facebook page Penny University A Podcast with Value.
51:24
May 11, 2020
A Torn Heart: Loss of a Child - Episode One: Jill Potter "My Beautiful Boy"
Listen to Jill Potter share her story.  Colin Shepard was, or dare I say is, an amazing son.  Jill lost him in December of 1993. Loss is hard and not something you will heal from or get over.  Jill's loss is summed up in this one line she shares, "It's never over, but don't let it defeat you." Please listen - like us - and share.  You can send any comments or questions for Deborah or Jill to Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Check out our Facebook page Penny University A Podcast with Value.   Thank you for listening.  
33:39
May 4, 2020
Moments on Skin - Episode 7: Tattoos Last Forever
Why does someone want to place a moment on their skin?  Something that will always be there, reminding them of an event, a person, or even a thought.  Listen to the final episode as Deborah Pfingston and Tony Carey discuss what they know from their different sides of the tattoo.  Want to check out what faces and tattoos go with Deborah and Tony - go to Penny University's Facebook page, like us and share.  If you would like to send a comment we would love to hear from you, send all comments to  Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Enjoy listening to the final episode in this fun series. Also, listen to Series One from Penny University - 'Our Investigation, Our Truth'.  This is a thought provoking series on what happen in Yarnell, Arizona on June 30th, 2013.  What took the lives of 19 men.  
30:40
October 7, 2019
Moments on Skin - Episode 6: Hold Fast
Why does someone want to place a moment on their skin?  Something that will always be there, reminding them of an event, a person, or even a thought.  Listen as Deborah Pfingston and Tony Carey discuss what they know from their different sides of the tattoo. In Episode Six, Deborah heads over to Hold Fast.  Tony gets a diamond tattoo.  This tattoo has a lot of meaning.  First, Tony lives in Diamond Valley, Arizona.  Second, Andrew - Deborah's son, had a diamond tattoo because he grew up in Diamond Valley, Arizona. Kenny, the owner of Hold Fast and special guest on this episode, gives Tony the tattoo.  Why, because Kenny grew up in Diamond Valley.  With all these connections the diamond was perfect.  Listen to the buzz and conversation.     If you would like to see Deborah, Tony and Kenny, head over to Penny University's Facebook page. Please make sure you 'like' us and share not only our Facebook page but the podcast too.  If you would like to send a comment we would love to hear from you, send all comments or questions to  Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Enjoy listening to this refreshing series.
32:01
September 15, 2019
Moments on Skin - Episode 5: Caged Tattoos
Why does someone want to place a moment on their skin?  Something that will always be there, reminding them of an event, a person, or even a thought.  Listen as Deborah Pfingston and Tony Carey discuss what they know from their different sides of the tattoo. In Episode Five, Deborah and Tony talk with Danny Hilton.  Danny is a Mixed Martial Arts fighter, artist, friend and, of course, covered in tattoos.  Truly a present day renaissance man.  What do some of his tattoos mean?  He once wanted to be a tattoo artist - what was that like?  Listen in and enjoy :). If you would like to see Deborah, Tony and Danny, head over to Penny University's Facebook page. Please make sure you 'like' us and share not only our Facebook page but the podcast too.  If you would like to send a comment we would love to hear from you, send all comments or questions to  Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Enjoy listening to this refreshing series.
39:41
September 2, 2019
Moments on Skin - Episode 4: Tattooed Ladies
Why does someone want to place a moment on their skin?  Something that will always be there, reminding them of an event, a person, or even a thought.  Listen as Deborah Pfingston and Tony Carey discuss what they know from their different sides of the tattoo. In Episode Four, Deborah and Tony talk with Lindsey Parker and Adrienne Carey.  Lindsey is a high school English teacher and several of her tattoo reflect her love for literature.  Adrienne is, also, a high school teacher (the sciences), a Roller Derby girl, and Tony's wife.  Why did both of these amazing women got their tattoos?  Is being a 'tattoo lady' set them apart in our culture? Listen and hear their stories. If you would like to see Lindsey and Adrienne head over to Penny University's Facebook page. Please make sure you 'like' us and share not only our Facebook page but the podcast too.  If you would like to send a comment we would love to hear from you, send all comments or questions to  Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Enjoy listening to this refreshing series.
52:48
August 25, 2019
Moments on Skin - Episode 3: Warriors Get Tattoos
Why does someone want to place a moment on their skin?  Something that will always be there, reminding them of an event, a person, or even a thought.  Listen as Deborah Pfingston and Tony Carey discuss what they know from their different sides of the tattoo. In Episode Three, Deborah and Tony talk with Andrew Myers and T.J. Ashcraft II.  Andrew, a veteran, has some unique tattoos that exemplify so much for him.  T.J., currently serving in the Army, has tattoos that speak through their design.  Why did they get these tattoos and what do they mean to them.  Listen to their stories of - their moments on the skin.     If you would like to check out what faces and, of course, tattoos go with Andrew and T.J. - go to Penny University's Facebook page.  Please make sure you 'like' us and share not only our Facebook page but the podcast too.  If you would like to send a comment we would love to hear from you, send all comments to  Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Enjoy listening to this cool series.  
45:10
August 19, 2019
Moments on Skin - Episode 2: A Brief History - Tattoos are Old
 Why does someone want to place a moment on their skin?  Something that will always be there, reminding them of an event, a person, or even a thought.  Listen as Deborah Pfingston and Tony Carey discuss what they know from their different sides of the tattoo. Episode Two is all about the history.  Tattooing actually has a very long history, so Deborah and Tony just skim the surface.  Plus, there are many different styles of tattooing too :).   Tony mentions a friend, Fade FX, who is a world renowned tattoo artist. She traveled deep into the jungles of Borneo to meet the last tattooed head hunters of the Iban tribe. Check out her documentary: 'Point of No Return. Hand tapped tattooing in Borneo' @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIPMkmmJRG4 .     If you would like to check out what faces and tattoos go with Deborah and Tony - go to Penny University's Facebook page, like us and share.  Then if you would like to send a comment we would love to hear from you, send all comments to  Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Enjoy listening to this cool series.   
45:51
August 12, 2019
Moments on Skin - Episode 1: Why Do Some of Us Get Tattoos
Why does someone want to place a moment on their skin?  Something that will always be there, reminding them of an event, a person, or even a thought.  Listen as Deborah Pfingston and Tony Carey discuss what they know from their different sides of the tattoo.  Want to check out what faces and tattoos go with Deborah and Tony - go to Penny University's Facebook page, like us and share.  If you would like to send a comment we would love to hear from you, send all comments to  Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Enjoy listening to this fun series.   
36:05
August 5, 2019
Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 10: Thank You
Deborah Pfingston, Andrew Ashcraft's Mom, and Doug Harwood, Granite Mountain Hotshot Alumni, bring to an end the discussion revolving around what happened on and after June 30th, 2013.  Deborah and Doug know the truth was not told.  What they discovered and what they know has been revealed in this Penny University series.    They put their pain on hold, so others will hear what really happened.   There has been a lot of listeners emailing.  Deborah and Doug thought they would let you read a small sample of some great ideas from a California wildland firefighter.  His ideas and attitude are a great example of these awesome people.  "Hi, my name is Nathan and I’m on an engine in California. Been listing to your podcast and it’s very interesting what you found."  "When you talk about radios, tracking and GPS, the military has stuff that works I’m sure but does the forest service or anyone else have the money to get that tech to everyone. A couple ideas I thought of was the emergency beacons that public can buy for backpacking, in the snow, or a situation that a person may not have cell service. It’s basically an emergency beacon that’s calls search and rescue with emergency aid to your location. So when you activate it, they know who you are. Everyone engine, crew or what have you on your forest gets these and they get registered to each person. If engine 15 and buck rock hotshots activate their beacons, dispatch would see which person on the crews or maybe everyone activated the beacon, and what their location is. Then maybe there is someway that if you go off forest, you are able to give the forest or IC a way to get the same info if you activate it there. Or you leave your forest beacons at home but the fire you arrive at, you are issued a set for your group. The IC sets up the info to know that engine 15 has beacons 577-582 or something to that degree."  "Radios having the emergency button on them is a great idea... In California the State fire agency Cal Fire, they use a lot of ton guards and if you can’t get those right then communication will be gone."  "I do agree with the responsibility being passed down and people not taking ownership. We had a lightning fire on a sister forest that our strike team and gotten diverted too. They said we couldn’t put boots on the ground at the fire because there was too many hazard trees. So they wanted us to prep a community in case it ever blew up, but they were going to manage the fire. It was late in the season and there had been snow and rain in that area a few days prior to the fire. We did a 2 week assignment here. By the 3rd day we had done all that really needed to be done to the community but the forest just came up with random stuff to do. The kicker came when they started having people go up a dirt road that attached to another community. They wanted the hazard trees along the road removed. We all scratched our heads because we couldn’t go to the fire because of hazard trees but off the road it was ok. Nobody got injured, but still it was a needless reason that didn’t make sense. From the beginning the forest didn’t have a good plan in mind and was basically asking our strike team to form the plan for the community." Space has limited more comments, but please know we would still love to hear from you.  Email Deborah or Doug at Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com. Thank you for listening.    
41:48
May 11, 2019
Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 9: Whose Taking the Risk
 Deborah Pfingston, Andrew Ashcraft's Mom, and Doug Harwood, Granite Mountain Hotshot Alumni, continue the discussion of changes that should happen after June 30th, 2013 - with the big three changes that should and need to happen.  Joined by three special guests hear the great discussion on changes or the need for changes.   Deborah and Doug know the truth was not told.  What they discovered and what they know is revealed in this Penny University series.    They put their pain on hold, so others will hear what really happened.   Feel free to contact Deborah or Doug at PennyUniversity@protonmail.com.
1:00:34
May 4, 2019
Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 8: Your Changes, Our Changes
Deborah Pfingston, Andrew Ashcraft's Mom, and Doug Harwood, Granite Mountain Hotshot Alumni, start the discussion of changes that should happen after June 30th, 2013.  When they lost their loved ones and friends.  Some of the changes came from you, the listeners.  Some of the changes are from Deborah and Doug after their investigation.  This is the only major loss of life that has produced no changes at all!  Could it be because there is a huge cover up of truth?  Could it be because changes cost money and money carries more weight than life?  You decide. Deborah and Doug know the truth was not told.  What they discovered and what they know is revealed in this Penny University series.    They put their pain on hold, so others will hear what really happened.   Feel free to contact Deborah or Doug at PennyUniversity@protonmail.com.
43:53
April 24, 2019
Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 7: THE Granite Mountain Hotshots
Deborah Pfingston, Andrew Ashcraft's Mom, and Doug Harwood, Granite Mountain Hotshot Alumni, along with Chief Darrell Willis, Retired Prescott Fire Chief, share with you the true history of the Granite Mountain Hotshots.  This is the true history, not the loosely based history shown of the Granite Mountain crew presented in "Only the Brave".   From why they existed - to how wildland/urban interface communities should have a crew just like them this is a must listen to episode.  Please listen to this fantastic discussion with those who were there.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=RCR486ZAIuI -Granite Mountain Hotshots - Esse Quam Videri If you would like to read a written history of Granite Mountain Inter-agency Hotshots link here:  https://www.wfgi.org/news/2018/3/3/granite-mountain-interagency-hotshot-crew-history.  If you would like a hard copy of the Granite Mountain Inter-agency Hotshot history, just send an email to Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com with your request.   If you have any questions, comments or just want to say 'hi' to Deborah or Doug please email them at Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com.  They would love to hear from you.   Be strong, wise and safe.      
1:00:43
April 15, 2019
Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 6: Hiking the Path
Deborah Pfingston, Andrew Ashcraft's Mom, and Doug Harwood, Granite Mountain Hotshot Alumni continue the discussion of what happened after June 30th, 2013.  They lost their loved ones and friends.  They know the truth was not told.  What they discovered and what they know is revealed.    Deborah and Doug put their pain on hold, so others will hear what really happened.   As promised here are the audio recordings discussed in this episode.  This audio found by Holly Neill proves there was no 33- minute gap.  You can hear Eric Marsh at 16:13, he gives his Granite Mountain's location and movements.      The original audio/video is from: Serious Accident Investigation Records F-PhotosAndVideos\A05-20130630AerialFirefightingStudyPhotosVideos Video ID: 20130630-16162-O-VLAT-split-1-E-P Do you know who is talking to Eric Marsh?  Please share your thoughts at Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com.   The original audio/video is from: Serious Accident Investigation Records F-PhotosAndVideos\A08-20130630BlueRidgeHotshotPhotosVideos June 30, 2013 Here is the YouTube video that holds the audio when Blue Ridge discusses, "Fuckin making sure idiots aren't burning themselves out..." @ +3.06.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t75k7o_L6B8&feature=youtu.be  Thank you for walking this path with us.  Please share you thoughts, comments, or questions with Deborah or Doug at Pennyuniversity@protonmail.com.
42:50
April 8, 2019
Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 5: Heartbreak, Frustration, Anger
In this episode you will take the next step with Deborah Pfingston, Andrew Ashcraft's Mom, and Doug Harwood, Granite Mountain Hotshot Alumni.  The discussion continues.  The crew is dead, what happened.  How did 19 men die, what were the families told, what lies are still believed, hear how some refused to accept the SAIR and searched for the truth. Deborah and Doug had to put their pain on hold, they had to seek the truth.  Listen to how they fought, and still fight, to dig a line against the lies presented by a investigation that was really a cover up.     
1:09:57
March 30, 2019
Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 4: All the Dominoes Line Up to Tragedy
What occur between the hour of 3:45 pm and 4:45 pm June 30, 2013?  The Department of Forestry does not want the truth revealed.  Their cover up was published as the Serious Accident Investigation Report (SAIR -  https://dffm.az.gov/yarnell-hill-report-available).   Arizona Division of Occupational Safety and Health report tried their best to discover what happened (ADOSH - http://www.npstc.org/download.jsp?tableId=37&column=217&id=2944).  Yet, they even missed some key discoveries.  Deborah Pfingston and Doug Harwood, through their investigation and diligence, pull back the shadow.  They discuss the gross negligence that led to the death of Deborah's son and Doug's good friends.  Granite Mountain Interagency Hotshot crew lost their lives, 'Our Investigation, Our Truth' will tell you what really happened.     If you have any questions or comments - please contact Deborah or Doug at PennyUniversity@Protonmail.com.  We would like to hear from you.  Truth is why we do this podcast and if you have any confusion we want to help.   
56:06
March 18, 2019
Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 3: Command or Lack of Command Arrives on the Fire
Episode Three describes the events from Sunday, June 30, 2013.   This was a very chaotic day.   This episode will deal with what occurred up until 1530 (3:30 pm), approximately one hour prior to the Granite Mountain crew's tragic death.  Deborah and Doug want to make it clear how wrong and misleading the Department of Forestry and Fire Management Serious Accident Investigation Report on the Yarnell Hill Fire (SAIR - https://dffm.az.gov/yarnell-hill-report-available) is.   If you have not listen to Episodes One & Two, please take the time to do so prior to listening to Episode Three. It will help you walk through the events (the dominoes that fell) that led to the loss of the Granite Mountain Interagency Hotshot crew, a Type One Wildland Hotshot crew.     Any questions or comments - please contact Deborah or Doug at PennyUniversity@Protonmail.com.  We would like to hear from you.  Truth is why we do this podcast and if you have any confusion we want to help.    
58:15
March 1, 2019
Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 2: A Game of Catch Up - Fire Wins
Our Investigation, Our Truth Episode Two: A Game of Catch Up - Fire Wins. Deborah Pfingston, Andrew Ashcraft's Mom, and Doug Harwood, Granite Mountain Hotshot Alumni, continue the conversation on what happened to the Granite Mountain Hotshot crew in Yarnell, Arizona.  What led to their tragic deaths and who continues to hide the truth.   Listen to the discussion as they explain what transpired on Saturday, June 29, 2013.  The day before the crew was lost.  Deborah and Doug are passionate about getting the truth out.  Using the Serious Accident Investigation Report (SAIR - wildfiretoday.com/documents/Yarnell_Hill_Fire_report.pdf ), Arizona Department of Safety & Health Investigation (ADOSH - https://cryptome.org/2013/12/yarnell-hill-fire-13-1204.pdf), interviews from both reports, personal interviews with key people, their hands on experiences and much more to find out what really happened.   They lost their loved ones in this tragedy, listen to what they discovered. 
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February 16, 2019
Our Investigation, Our Truth - Episode 1: Why
The very first episode of 'Our Investigation, Our Truth!' Deborah Pfingston and Doug Harwood explain why they are working, with Penny University, to get the truth out about what happened June 30, 2013 in Yarnell, Arizona.  Listen to the discussion as they explain 'why' they conducted their own personal investigation.  Using the Serious Accident Investigation Report (SAIR -  https://wildfiretoday.com/documents/Yarnell_Hill_Fire_report.pdf ), Arizona Department of Safety & Health Investigation (ADOSH -   https://cryptome.org/2013/12/yarnell-hill-fire-13-1204.pdf), interviews, personal experiences and more to find out what happened to the crew.  They lost their loved ones in this tragedy, listen to what they discovered.     
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February 4, 2019