
Policy Outsider
By Rockefeller Institute


Ep. 104. An Interview with TheDream.US

Ep. 103. A Closer Look at Refugee Resettlement

Ep. 102. Re: Rescheduling
With a new presidential administration come new (and dimmer) prospects for the rescheduling of cannabis. The rescheduling process, which began under President Biden, has met with legal hurdles and will now be overseen by a group of Trump appointees that view the drug less favorably. On a new episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute director of operations, fellow, and resident cannabis policy expert, Heather Trela, provides an update on where we are in the process, the new players, and what to expect in the coming months.

Ep. 101. Guns, Cars, and Pediatric Deaths

Ep. 100. Red Flag Laws and Clinicians

Ep. 99. Buds on the Ballot
At all levels of American government, voters were asked to weigh in on cannabis policy in last week’s election. On this episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute of Government Director of Operations and Fellow Heather Trela breaks down the results of state ballot initiatives to legalize cannabis, local government efforts to decriminalize possession, and what a Trump presidency might mean for federal cannabis policy.
Guests
- Heather Trela, Director of Operations and Fellow, Rockefeller Institute of Government
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Ep. 98. Emotionally Responsive Practice for Immigrant Students

Ep. 97. Firearm Safe Storage & Suicide Prevention
September marks National Suicide Prevention Month and on this episode of Policy Outsider, Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium Executive Director Jaclyn Schildkraut speaks with Hannah Klein, an affiliate scholar with the Consortium and an assistant professor at Lewis University, about the role of safe firearm storage in suicide prevention. The conversation covers what safe storage really means, what we know about where people receive and want to receive safe storage education, and why safe storage is so important in reducing firearm suicides.
Guests:
- Jaclyn Schildkraut, Executive Director, Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium
- Hannah Klein, Affiliate Scholar, Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium; Assistant Professor, Lewis University

Ep. 96. Alcohol and Firearm Misuse
As researchers advance their understanding of the causes of gun violence in the US and the contexts in which it occurs, one area under recent consideration is the relationship between firearm use and alcohol misuse. A recent report by the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Violence Solutions found that one in three individuals who committed a homicide with a firearm were heavily drinking at the time of the offense. Additionally, 30% of firearm homicide victims were under the influence of alcohol at the time of their death, as were 25% of gun suicide victims. On this episode of Policy Outsider, Senator Cory McCray of Maryland's 45th Legislative District, which covers parts of east and northeast Baltimore, joins Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium Executive Director Jaclyn Schildkraut to discuss the proactive policy action he's taken to address the dangerous intersection of alcohol misuse and gun violence in his district.
Guests
- Honorable Cory McCray, Maryland State Senator, District 45
- Jaclyn Schildkraut, Executive Director, Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium

Ep. 95. Rahimi Reactions
On June 21, 2024, the United States Supreme Court issued its highly anticipated decision in the case of United States v. Rahimi. In an 8-to-1 majority, the Court upheld the federal prohibition of firearms by those subject to a domestic violence restraining order. On this episode of Policy Outsider, Jaclyn Schildkraut, executive director of the Institute’s Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium gets initial reactions to the decision from Consortium members Liz Tobin-Tyler, associate professor of health services policy and practice at the Brown University School of Public Health, and Kaitlin Sidorsky, associate professor of political science and public policy at Ramapo College of New Jersey. The conversation provides an overview of the ruling, what the concurrence and dissent opinions signal about how the court is interpreting the Second Amendment, and what comes next on the national stage for firearm and domestic violence policy.
Guests:
- Jaclyn Schildkraut, Executive Director, Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium
- Liz Tobin-Tyler, Associate Professor of Health Services Policy and Practice at the Brown University School of Public Health
- Kaitlin Sidorsky, Associate Professor of Political Science and Public Policy at Ramapo College of New Jersey

Ep. 94. The Refugee Experience

Ep. 93. Freshmen Perspectives: Assemblymember Brian Cunningham
Assemblymember Brian Cunningham joins Policy Outsider for the latest in the "Freshmen Perspectives" series, which invites freshmen legislators in the New York State Senate and Assembly to share what they're working on, what they've learned, and what they're excited about tackling next. Cunningham (who stretches our definition of freshman as a winner of a special election before winning his first full term in 2022), shares insights into how he approaches legislating, the unique perspective one gets working in the State Legislature, and the important work still to be done in housing, the green energy economy, and AI.
Guests
- Honorable Brian Cunningham, New York State Assemblymember, Assembly District 43
- Bob Megna, President, Rockefeller Institute

Ep. 92. 100 Years of Executive Budgets
In the early 1980s, the New York State Division of the Budget released a retrospective on the executive budget process. The book, The Executive Budget in New York State: A Half-Century Perspective, describes how the executive budget process came to be, how it evolved over 50 years, and how it helped the state function through the Great Depression, World War II, the postwar period, and the 60s and 70s. Now, as we sit in view of 100 years of executive budgets in New York, the Division, in collaboration with the Rockefeller Institute, is beginning the process of telling the story of the next half-century. On this episode of Policy Outsider, Dominic Colafati, DOB’s unit head for the Expenditure/Debt unit, joins Rockefeller Institute President Bob Megna to talk about the project: what they hope to emulate, what they might do differently, and what comes next for the executive budget process.
Guests
- Dominic Colafati, Unit Head, Expenditure/Debt Unit, New York State Division of the Budget
- Bob Megna, President, Rockefeller Institute of Government

Ep. 91. Un(der)banked Immigrants
For many, access to the banking system is an important component of upward mobility. Loans, savings accounts, credit cards–these are all part of a financial system that, when used strategically, can help establish financial stability or undergird entrepreneurial activity. But there are barriers to accessing the banking system for those on society's margins, including in some immigrant communities, where many are unbanked or underbanked. To explore these issues, we speak with Dr. Jay Zagorsky, clinical associate professor of markets, public policy, and law at Boston University's Questrom School of Business and Dr. Dina Refki, executive director of the Institute on Immigrant Integration Research and Policy. The conversation details the challenges and consequences of being unbanked and underbanked as an immigrant and highlights potential policy solutions for improving the financial options available to these communities.
Guests
- Jay Zagorsky, Associate Professor of Markets, Public Policy, and Law, Questrom School of Business, Boston University
- Dina Refki, Executive Director, Institute on Immigrant Integration Research and Policy

Ep. 90. Gun Violence Exposure, Suicide, and Black Americans
Rates of both gun violence and firearm suicide have been increasing year over year, but not all Americans have been impacted equally. Black individuals in the US are nearly 14 times more likely to die from a firearm homicide than their white counterparts, and their inpatient hospitalizations due to firearm injuries are nine times higher. And in 2022, preliminary data indicate that, for the first time in history, firearm suicide rates among Black individuals exceeded those of white individuals. A new study out in JAMA Network Open explores the relationship between gun violence exposure and suicide among Black adults. In this episode, lead author Daniel Semenza of the New Jersey Gun Violence Research Center and member of the Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium joins Policy Outsider to discuss the study’s findings.
Guest
- Daniel Semenza, Director of Interpersonal Violence Research, Rutgers University’s Gun Violence Research Center
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Ep. 89. Fostering Success at SUNY
A report we released in February 2024 found that foster youth at SUNY who received funding from the Foster Youth College Success Initiative (FYCSI) tended to reenroll after their first year of college at higher rates than their peers; they also tended to post higher graduation rates for associate degrees and, after six years, bachelor’s degrees. This episode of Policy Outsider goes beyond the numbers to hear from an FYCSI award recipient and an FYCSI advocate how this funding can change the trajectory of students' lives.
Guests
- Tanajah Malachi, Licensed Master Social Worker, FYCSI Award Recipient
- Deidra Nesbeth, Director, Fostering Youth Success Alliance
- Brian Backstrom, Director of Education Policy Studies, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Learn More
- Fostering Success at SUNY: Financial Support through the Foster Youth College Success Initiative (report)
- New York State Education Department – Foster Youth College Success Initiative

Ep. 88. Freshmen Perspectives: Assemblymember Dana Levenberg
Assemblymember Dana Levenberg represents the 95th district in the New York State Assembly. Her road to statewide elected office included a stint as chief of staff for former New York State Assemblymember Sandy Galef, time on the Ossining School Board, and four elected terms as Ossining Town Supervisor. On this episode of Policy Outsider, Assemblymember Levenberg speaks with Rockefeller Institute President Bob Megna about her path to the Assembly and the common thread that weaves together her work across different issues and different levels of government.
Guests:
Honorable Dana Levenberg, New York State Assemblymember, Assembly District 95
Robert Megna, President, Rockefeller Institute

Ep. 87. Freshmen Perspectives: Senator Jessica Scarcella-Spanton
Jessica Scarcella-Spanton was 21 when she first served as executive director of the Democratic Party on Staten Island. Now, she's serving as a freshman senator in the New York State Legislature, representing New York's 23rd District, which covers the North and East Shores of Staten Island and Southern Brooklyn. As a mother of two and wife to a disabled combat veteran, she brings a unique and fresh perspective to the State Senate. On this episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute President Bob Megna speaks with Senator Scarcella-Spanton about her road to the senate, how she approaches being a public servant and legislator, and what she's proud of in her first year as an elected official.
Guests:
Honorable Jessica Scarcella-Spanton, New York State Senator, Senate District 23
Robert Megna, President, Rockefeller Institute

Ep. 86. What's in a Number?

Ep. 85. What is a High NA EUV Lithography Center?
On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute President Bob Megna and Kevin Younis, executive deputy commissioner and chief operating officer at Empire State Development, return to the podcast to discuss the latest $10 billion investment in Albany's NanoTech Complex for a new High Numerical Aperture Extreme Ultraviolet (NA EUV) Lithography Center. The conversation covers who the stakeholders are in this $10 billion deal, how partnerships between private industry and government came together and landed on upstate New York as the future of the semiconductor industry, and what that means for the New York economy.
Guests:
Bob Megna, president, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Kevin Younis, chief operating officer and executive deputy commissioner, Empire State Development
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Ep. 62. New York's $100 Billion Micron Deal. How Did It Happen?

Ep. 84. The Healthcare Mega Trend to Watch in 2024
The latest episode of Policy Outsider dives deep into the ever-evolving landscape of healthcare. Rockefeller Institute’s Senior Fellow for Health Policy, Courtney Burke, follows up on her latest blog, "The Healthcare Industry Mega Trend to Watch in 2024: “Today” and “Tomorrow” Players and the Emergence of the “Striving Survivors”" that expands on her earlier work that identified 10 key trends in 2023 that are shaping the health care industry and discusses what we can expect in the coming year. The episode unravels the interaction between these trends and examines the existing challenges of today’s health care marketplace, including labor shortages, price inflation, and declining margins; how tomorrow’s healthcare entities are dynamically changing the playing field through private equity, consolidation, and technology; and the striving survivors–the existing health care businesses that are trying to navigate the evolution of healthcare in real time.
Guest:
Courtney Burke, senior fellow for health policy, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Learn More:
2024 blog
Top Health Trends for State Health Policymakers to Watch in 2023
- Part One: Broad Workforce, Economic, and Health Policy Shifts
- Part Two: Internal Industry Economic Trends
- Part Three: Service Delivery, Quality, and Equity Trends
A Mid-Year Update on 2023 Healthcare Trends

Ep. 83. The State of New York's Marijuana Marketplace

Ep. 82. Immigrant Entrepreneurship and Barriers to Financial Services
This episode focuses on immigrant entrepreneurs, their impact on the New York economy, and their ability to access banking systems, loans, capital, and other resources to start and maintain their business. Ahyoung Kim, director of economic empowerment for the Asian American Federation, and Kristine Rudgers, small business advisor for America's Small Business Development Centers out of SUNY Brockport, recently participated in the Institute on Immigrant Integration Research and Policy webinar on the Future of Immigrant Entrepreneurship and join the podcast to expand on their discussion to touch on the opportunities and obstacles facing immigrant entrepreneurs and share their insights into how to strengthen immigrant business opportunities through policies and programs targeted at immigrant entrepreneurs.
Guests:
Ahyoung Kim, director of economic empowerment, Asian American Federation
Kristine Rudgers, small business advisor, Small Business Development Center, SUNY Brockport
Learn More:
Between Stewardship and Laissez Faire: The Future of Immigrant Entrepreneurship

Ep. 81. From Staffer to Assemblymember
On the latest episode, the Honorable Steven Raga, New York State Assemblymember from Queens, NY, shares his journey from legislative staffer to elected official and discusses the daily life of being an Assemblymember, including hectic legislative, community, and campaign schedules, as well as the importance of addressing constituents' immediate concerns. Assemblymember Raga reflects on his first year in office and details his legislative priorities for the upcoming year, including support for non-profits, safety on college campuses, and digital literacy resources for US veterans. Assemblymember Raga also provides his perspective on public service and offers advice for those considering a career as an elected official, emphasizing the importance of a positive attitude, dedication to community work, and the ability to learn from mistakes.
Guest:
Honorable Steven Raga, New York State Assemblymember, 30th Assembly District

Ep. 80. Reducing the Carbon Footprint with Public Transit
Recently, in coordination with New York Congressman Paul Tonko, the Rockefeller Institute hosted the Locally Sourced Capital Region Climate Policy conference, which examined ways local governments and organizations within New York’s capital region are addressing climate change through policy and practice. As part of the Rockefeller Institute’s ongoing look at municipal solutions to improving our climate and environmental sustainability, Carm Basile, CEO of the Capital District Transit Authority (CDTA) and a panelist during the Locally Sourced conference, joins the podcast to detail what programs and initiatives CDTA is embarking on that help reduce the regional carbon footprint by increasing access to and use of public transportation, as well as reduce its own carbon footprint by increasing green transit infrastructure.
Guest:
Carm Basile, CEO, Capital District Transit Authority
Learn More:
Locally Sourced Capital Region Climate Policy | An Integrated Approach to Zero Emissions, Carm Basile, CEO, Capital District Transit Authority
Locally Sourced Capital Region Climate Policy | Entire Conference

Ep. 79. The Politics of Trash
Prior to the late 19th century, trash in many American cities accumulated in streets, in backyards, in privies, in empty lots, and in crawlspaces underneath homes. There were no organized municipal efforts to remove the trash and, as they grew in size and density, cities became smelly, foul, and unhealthy places to live. In their book, The Politics of Trash: How Governments Used Corruption to Clean Cities, 1890–1929, authors Patricia Strach, professor of political science and public administration & policy at the University at Albany and a fellow at the Rockefeller Institute, and Kathleen Sullivan, associate professor of political science at Ohio University, describe how this began to change. On this episode, Patricia and Kathleen discuss their book, the lessons we can learn about how cities develop new services, and how those lessons apply to some of the problems governments are facing today.
Guests:
Patricia Strach, professor of political science and public administration & policy, University at Albany, & fellow, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Kathleen Sullivan, associate professor of political science, Ohio University
Joel Tirado, director of communications, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Learn More:
The Politics of Trash: How Governments Used Corruption to Clean Cities, 1890–1929

Ep. 78. Rescheduling Marijuana
A recent report from the Congressional Research Service suggests that the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) is likely to approve a US Department of Health and Human Services recommendation to reschedule marijuana, which is currently a Schedule I drug. On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, Director of Operations and Fellow Heather Trela explains what such a change would mean for the marijuana industry and federal enforcement of the drug. The episode provides an overview of the drug scheduling system and its history, the challenges and limitations of rescheduling, and what comes next in the ever-changing marijuana policy landscape.
Guest:
Heather Trela, director of operations & fellow, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Learn More:
The High Court: How the Judiciary is Influencing Marijuana Policy

Ep. 77. School-Based Health Centers
The 252 school-based health centers (SBHCs) operating in New York State serve more than 250,000 students. These health centers provide a range of services on school premises, from primary to behavioral health care—and, in some cases, dental and vision care—and augment the health services children receive from traditional healthcare providers. On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, Senior Fellow for Health Policy Courtney Burke interviews Dr. Viju Jacob, a pediatric specialist in the Bronx who works for Urban Health Plan, which operates several SBHCs, and Ronda Kotelchuk, founder of the Primary Care Development Corporation and current chair of New York State Foundation for School-Based Health Centers, to learn more about SBHCs, the positive health and academic outcomes they support, and what is needed to maintain and expand the important services they offer to students.
Guests:
Courtney Burke, senior fellow for health policy, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Dr. Viju Jacob, pediatric specialist, Urban Health Plan
Ronda Kotelchuk, founder, Primary Care Development Corporation & Chair, New York School-Based Health Foundation
Learn More:
New York School-Based Health Foundation
New York School-Based Health Alliance
Acronyms:
H+H: Health and Hospitals
HRSA: Health Resources and Services Administration
FQHC: Federally Qualified Health Center
SBHC: School-Based Health Centers

Ep. 76. Asylum Seekers & Work Requirements
The recent influx of migrants into New York City has highlighted the barriers that these new arrivals face, including the limitations on their ability to work. In a new episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute Nathan Fellow Sarah Rogerson, an expert in immigration law and director of the Immigration Law Clinic and Edward P. Swire Justice Center at Albany Law School, discusses the legal and logistical hurdles migrants face as they seek to enter the workforce, including federal restrictions that prohibit migrants from working for at least six months, the time, money, and effort work authorization applications require, and the systemic constraints that can delay work authorization and legal residency status.
Guest:
Sarah Rogerson, Nathan fellow, Rockefeller Institute & director of the Immigration Law Clinic and Edward P. Swire Justice Center

Ep. 75. Biden, SCOTUS, and Student Loan Debt Relief
In August 2022, the Biden administration announced a plan to cancel up to $20,000 in student loan debt for eligible borrowers. The plan, legally challenged almost immediately, was struck down in early July by the Supreme Court, ruling the Executive had overreached its authority. Then, on July 14, the Biden administration announced its latest move: using the negotiated rulemaking process under the Higher Education Act to forgive student loans, revising income-driven repayment plans, and providing more than 800,000 qualifying borrowers with nearly $40 billion in loan forgiveness. On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute Director of Education Policy Studies Brian Backstrom and Fellow Rebecca Natow discuss the Supreme Court's ruling, the Biden administration's latest plan, and what comes next in the lengthy saga of addressing the nation's student loan debt crisis. Guests: Brian Backstrom, director of education policy studies, Rockefeller Institute
Rebecca Natow, fellow, Rockefeller Institute & associate professor of educational leadership and policy, Hofstra University
Learn More:
States Step In: Relieving the Burden of Student Loan Debt
Student Debt In New York State: A Compendium of Work by the Rockefeller Institute of Government

Ep. 74. Public Policy and Deathcare Management
The deathcare infrastructure, consisting of frontline public servants who handle the recently deceased, faced an enormous strain during the COVID-19 pandemic, as they were required to manage a tremendous number of excess deaths, often exceeding their capacity and resources to do so. Staci Zavatarro, Nathan Fellow at the Rockefeller Institute of Government and Professor of Public Administration at the University of Central Florida, joins the podcast to highlight some of the logistical challenges many coroners and medical examiners faced trying to manage the influx of decedents during the COVID-19 pandemic and the importance of federal and state government policies and investments to improve death care management systems and provide necessary support to the workforce.
Guest:
Staci Zavatarro, Nathan Fellow, Rockefeller Institute of Government and Professor, University of Central Florida

Ep. 73. Investing in New York's Mental Health Services
Public investments in mental health services are needed to deal with worsening mental health connected to, among other things, the pandemic, economic anxiety, rapidly changing technologies, and global geopolitical distress. On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute Senior Fellow for Health Policy Courtney Burke and New York State Office of Mental Health Commissioner Ann Sullivan discuss the importance and timeliness of New York State’s $1 billion investment for mental health services in the 2023-24 budget. The conversation outlines what policies and programs will be enabled by the new funding and the people it will support.
Guests:
Courtney Burke, senior fellow for health policy, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Ann Sullivan, Commissioner, New York State Office of Mental Health

Ep. 72. Confronting Anti-Asian Violence
The rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans in recent years has been a cause for concern, with reports of violent acts occurring across the country. Advocacy groups alongside federal, state, and local governments have been actively working to address this alarming trend and provide support to victims. As Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month draws to a close, Policy Outsider host Alex Morse speaks with Jo-Ann Yoo, executive director of the Asian American Federation and a member of the Institute on Immigrant Integration Research and Policy's board of advisors, about the violent and harmful acts experienced by Asian Americans. Jo-Ann details the Asian American Federation's response to the surge in hate crimes, and shares how individuals and communities can collaborate to confront violence toward not only Asian Americans, but all marginalized groups.
Guest:
Jo-Ann Yoo, executive director, Asian American Federation

Ep. 71. Supporting the Nation's Community Colleges
Across the US, the pandemic hit community colleges hard. Enrollment is down and institutions have reduced staff and payroll. And while community colleges are heavily integrated into their local and regional education and workforce development fabric, federal policy is critical to sustaining and advancing these institutions. On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, Fellow Rebecca Natow explains how federal support promotes equity, accessibility, and opportunity in community colleges and how that support is evolving under the Biden administration.
Guest:
Rebecca Natow, fellow, Rockefeller Institute of Government & assistant professor of educational leadership and policy, Hofstra University
Learn More:
Federal Policy on Community Colleges: Presidential Priorities and Policy Tools

Ep. 70. In Local Hands
The New York Government Reorganization and Citizen Empowerment Act (the Empowerment Act) made it easier for New York State residents to initiate the dissolution or consolidation of village governments. On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, Rockefeller Institute Fellow and Daemen University Professor Lisa Parshall discusses her new book, In Local Hands, which examines the social, political, and narrative context surrounding municipal reorganization in the state, especially since the Empowerment Act went into effect in 2010. The conversation touches on questions explored in the book: why do village residents support or oppose dissolutions? How do residents initiate reorganizations? And how do dissolutions affect taxes and government services?
Guest:
Lisa Parshall, fellow, Rockefeller Institute of Government & professor, Daemen University
Learn More:
Is It Time For New York State to Revise Its Village Incorporation Laws?
Dissolving Village Government in New York State

Ep. 69. The Role of Policy in Immigrant Integration
Many immigrant families and communities face barriers to utilizing social services and integrating into their communities. These challenges exist across healthcare, housing, legal assistance, education, workforce development, and more. On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, New York State Assemblymember Catalina Cruz talks about her experience as an immigrant, as a lawyer, and as a lawmaker, and how these shape her perspective in developing policy to support immigrants. The conversation also covers the knowledge-generating role of the new Institute on Immigrant Integration Research and Policy, which will inform evidence-based integration solutions for policymakers.
Guest:
Honorable Catalina Cruz, New York State Assemblymember

Ep. 68. Leveling the Campaign Playing Field
The 2024 election cycle will be the first election where candidates running for statewide office in New York can opt into the state's new small donor public financing program. Laura Ladd Bierman and Erica Smitka of the League of Women Voters of New York join Policy Outsider host Alex Morse to discuss the details of the new program and the history of campaign finance reform in the state. The conversation examines how public financing intends to level the electoral playing field of state elections, increase representation, and reduce the influence of big money in politics. The episode also covers what other reforms can help strengthen elections and make campaign finance more equitable throughout the state.
Guests:
Laura Ladd Bierman, executive director, League of Women Voters of New York
Erica Smitka, deputy director, League of Women Voters of New York
Learn More:
League of Women Voters of New York
New York State Public Campaign Finance Board
Small Donor Public Financing: A Tool for Empowering New Yorkers in the Age of Citizens United

Ep. 67. Unwind: The End of Continuous Coverage for Medicaid

Ep. 66. Will Biden's Student Debt Cancellation Plan Survive SCOTUS?
On February 28, 2023, the United States Supreme Court heard oral arguments in two cases opposing President Biden’s student debt relief plan, which seeks to cancel up to $20,000 in student loan debt per borrower. Brian Backstrom, director of education policy studies at the Rockefeller Institute of Government, wrote an analysis that detailed how the student debt relief plan made its way to the Supreme Court and previewed the court cases to be heard.
On today’s episode, Brian joins to highlight the arguments presented in the cases, shares how the justices responded to those arguments, and points to what student loan borrowers can expect as the cases move forward.
Guest:
Brian Backstrom, director of education policy studies, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Learn More:
SCOTUS To Decide: Is the Biden Administration's Student Debt Cancellation Program Legal?

Ep. 65. A Master Plan for Aging
New York State has the fourth-largest population of older adults in the US, with 3.2 million New Yorkers over the age of 65, a number that is projected to grow to 5.3 million by 2030. Caring for those older New Yorkers is expensive; the state spends more on long-term care services annually ($32 billion) than any other service. To address the needs of the state’s aging population, Governor Kathy Hochul signed Executive Order 23 last fall, which directs the state to develop a Master Plan for Aging.
On today’s episode, Courtney Burke, senior fellow for health policy at the Rockefeller Institute of Government, and Adam Herbst, deputy commissioner for the Office of Aging and Long-term Care at the Department of Health, discuss the process of developing the master plan, the intricate network of government and healthcare systems dedicated to designing this roadmap, and how New York will provide the necessary care and resources to ensure people can age in place.
Guests:
Courtney Burke, senior fellow for health policy, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Adam Herbst, deputy commissioner for the Office of Aging and Long-term Care, Department of Health

Ep. 64. How Does New York's Pending Medicaid Waiver Address Health Equity?
In New York, Medicaid provides healthcare for nearly 8 million people and half of all births. With the COVID-19 pandemic highlighting existing health disparities and disrupting the health care system, there is a significant need and opportunity to innovate Medicaid care delivery. On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, we examine how New York is using a Section 1115 waiver to address health equity issues. The State's Acting Medicaid Director, Amir Bassiri, and Rockefeller Institute Senior Fellow for Health Policy Courtney Burke join the show to discuss how the waiver works, the goals the waiver seeks to accomplish, strategies for achieving those goals, and a vision for the future of Medicaid.
Terms
CBO—Community-based Organization
CMS—Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
DSRIP - Delivery System Reform Incentive Payment
MRT - Medicaid Redesign Team
HERO—Health Equity Regional Organization
SDHN—Social Determinant Health Network
VBP - Value-based Payment
Guests:
Courtney Burke, senior fellow for health policy, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Amir Bassiri, New York acting Medicaid director & deputy commissioner for Office of Health Insurance Programs

Ep. 63. New York’s Investment in Innovation Infrastructure
David Anderson, president of NY CREATES, an innovation hub headquartered at the Albany NanoTech Complex, joins Policy Outsider to take us into the workings of the semiconductor industry and offer insight into how New York State’s tightly woven research and economic development tapestry supports and drives advanced technologies and manufacturing.
Guests:
Bob Megna, president, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Dave Anderson, president, NY CREATES

Ep. 62. New York's $100 Billion Micron Deal. How Did It Happen?
In the fall of 2022, Micron, a leading advanced technology manufacturer, agreed to partner with New York State to build a $100 billion dollar semiconductor fabrication facility in upstate New York. How did this deal come to happen? How did federal and state policy, such as the CHIPS and Science Act and New York’s Green CHIPS Program, work to incentivize Micron to come to New York? And what role did local government partnerships play in the deal?
On the latest episode of Policy Outsider, Kevin Younis, chief operating officer and executive deputy commissioner of Empire State Development and one of the principle architects of the Micron deal, sits down with Rockefeller Institute President Bob Megna to talk about the deal and the critical role of decades of policy in bringing it to fruition.
Guests:
Bob Megna, president, Rockefeller Institute of Government
Kevin Younis, chief operating officer & executive deputy commissioner, Empire State Development

Ep. 61. Bad Blood: Reining in Ticketmaster
The recent Ticketmaster-Taylor Swift ticket purchasing debacle brought renewed attention to the stranglehold Ticketmaster holds on the live music industry. On today's episode, New York State Senator James Skoufis, a leading champion of ticket reform legislation, breaks down the problems facing the ticket industry and how state and federal policy can work to protect consumers.
Guest:
Honorable James Skoufis, New York State Senator

Ep. 60. Life In and After Service: Caring for Veterans
In honor of National Veterans and Military Families Month, today's episode examines life after serving in the military as told by two veterans. We invited Aaron Gladd, chief of staff of the State University of New York and former platoon leader in the US Army, and Colonel Jim McDonough, CEO of The Headstrong Project and former director of New York State’s Division of Veterans’ Services, to share their experiences joining, serving, and transitioning out of the military. They describe the challenges many veterans face moving back into civilian life and discuss how communities and non-profits are working to fill the gaps in veterans’ services left by local, state, and federal governments.

Ep. 59. What's Next for New York's Environmental Bond Act?
On Tuesday, voters in New York overwhelmingly approved the $4.2 billion Clean Water, Clean Air, and Green Jobs Bond Act. On today's episode, we invite New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Executive Deputy Commissioner Sean Mahar to discuss what this support means and what comes next for the environmental bond act. The conversation provides an overview of how funding will be prioritized and highlights the anticipated environmental and economic impacts of this investment.
Guest:
Sean Mahar, executive deputy commissioner, Department of Environmental Conservation

Ep. 58. A Renewed Push for Marriage Equality—Part Two
In July, a bill designed to protect same-sex marriages passed the US House of Representatives with bipartisan support. Forty-seven Republicans joined House Democrats in passing the Respect for Marriage Act. Shortly thereafter, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer announced that he was working to drum up sufficient Republican support in the Senate to pass the bill.
Following weeks of behind-the-scenes negotiations, Schumer announced in mid-September that the vote would be delayed until after the midterm elections.
To make sense of what is happening with marriage equality, we put together a two-part podcast series, featuring conversations with policymakers, experts, and advocates.
In part one of this series, Rockefeller Institute Fellow Heather Trela, Senior Policy Analyst Leigh Wedenoja, and Pride Center of the Capital Region Executive Director Nate Gray answer questions like: If the US Supreme Court ruled in 2015 to legalize marriage equality nationwide, why is there now a renewed push for legislating this issue? What is the legislative and judicial history of marriage equality and how does that inform the provisions in the Respect for Marriage Act? And how is the recent uncertainty surrounding marriage equality affecting members of the LGBTQ+ community?
In part two, we draw some political parallels to the current moment with a look back at the push for marriage equality in New York in 2011. To understand the political calculations and consequences of a Republican “yes” vote on this issue, Rockefeller Institute President Bob Megna talks with Senator Steve Saland, one of four Republican senators who crossed the aisle to say “aye” to the Marriage Equality Act.

Ep. 57. A Renewed Push for Marriage Equality—Part One
In July, a bill designed to protect same-sex marriages passed the US House of Representatives with bipartisan support. Forty-seven Republicans joined House Democrats in passing the Respect for Marriage Act. Shortly thereafter, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer announced that he was working to drum up sufficient Republican support in the Senate to pass the bill.
Following weeks of behind-the-scenes negotiations, Schumer announced in mid-September that the vote would be delayed until after the midterm elections.
To make sense of what is happening with marriage equality, we put together a two-part podcast series, featuring conversations with policymakers, experts, and advocates.
In part one of this series, Rockefeller Institute Fellow Heather Trela, Senior Policy Analyst Leigh Wedenoja, and Pride Center of the Capital Region Executive Director Nate Gray answer questions like: If the US Supreme Court ruled in 2015 to legalize marriage equality nationwide, why is there now a renewed push for legislating this issue? What is the legislative and judicial history of marriage equality and how does that inform the provisions in the Respect for Marriage Act? And how is the recent uncertainty surrounding marriage equality affecting members of the LGBTQ+ community?
In part two, we draw some political parallels to the current moment with a look back at the push for marriage equality in New York in 2011. To understand the political calculations and consequences of a Republican “yes” vote on this issue, Rockefeller Institute President Bob Megna talks with Senator Steve Saland, one of four Republican senators who crossed the aisle to say “aye” to the Marriage Equality Act.

Ep. 56. Second Chances Matter: Reducing Firearm Suicides
In 2020, the most recent year for which data are available, over half of all completed suicides in America involved a firearm–that is more than 24,000 Americans dying by firearm suicide in one year alone. However, suicide attempts involving a firearm account for fewer than 5 percent of all suicide attempts. September is Suicide Prevention Awareness Month and for this episode, we are re-issuing a recorded Twitter Spaces conversation hosted by Jaclyn Schildkraut, interim executive director of the Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium at the Rockefeller Institute and Michael Anestis, the executive director of the New Jersey Gun Violence Research Center at Rutgers University. The discussion focuses on the risk factors associated with firearm suicide as well as what policies and tools exist to help to mitigate firearm suicides.
Guests:
Jaclyn Schildkraut, interim executive director of the Regional Gun Violence Research Consortium
Michael Anestis, executive director of the New Jersey Gun Violence Research Center
Go in-depth:
- Preventing Suicide Through a Focus on Firearm Access and Storage
- New York State Firearm Storage Map
- New Jersey Firearm Storage Map
- Trevor Project
- US Department of Veterans Affairs’ Suicide Prevention Website
- 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline
If you or anyone you know are experiencing suicidal thoughts, please consider dialing 9-8-8 to reach the National Suicide Prevention Hotline. You can also text HOME to 741-741 to reach the Crisis Text Line.

Ep. 55. The Numbers Behind Student Debt Relief
The Biden Administration recently announced a student loan debt relief plan offering up to $20,000 in debt forgiveness for certain borrowers. The announcement also contained details about a new income-driven repayment plan that will reduce monthly payments for lower and middle-income borrowers. On this episode of Policy Outsider, Brian Backstrom, director of education policy studies at the Institute, joins guest host Joel Tirado to discuss the details of this relief plan and the interesting challenge of calculating the size of its benefits.
Guest: Brian Backstrom, director of education policy studies at the Rockefeller Institute
For more in-depth analysis, visit the student debt research series below:
- States Step In: Relieving the Burden of Student Loan Debt
- Relieving the Burden of Student Loan Debt
- State-Sponsored Child Investment Accounts: Helping Parents Save for College, Helping Students Avoid Loan Debt
- Student Debt In New York State: A Compendium of Work by the Rockefeller Institute of Government