Still Unbelievable!

Episode 132 - How to Kill God the easy Way

In this episode of Still Unbelievable!, Matthew chats with Alan Bondar about his provocatively titled book, How to Kill God the Easy Way. We enjoyed this book and recommend it to anyone who is seeking to engage with a critical review of Christian apologetics. If you have any sympathies for Christianity and it's proponents, then this book will challenge those thoughts. If you have doubts about Christianity, then this book will help you to focus your thoughts and put words to those doubts.

We hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as we did recording it.

1) Contact Alan:

https://howtokillgod.com/

alan@howtokillgod.com/

2) Buy the Book - How to Kill God the Easy Way

https://a.co/d/6BC6C24

3) Other books by Alan

https://a.co/d/3vNyo3s

https://a.co/d/cppZcPQ

4) Apostate: Stories of Deconversion

https://youtu.be/_hKSjwfnfms?si=yK6mbvfHUqWJVTMn

5) Alan on Jen Fishbourne's YouTube channel

part 1: https://youtu.be/Pq3zh5Od55I?si=5JombE2Iofgsv9rI

part 2: https://youtu.be/PyYUQk9vLKU?si=73HfowMH_QZSVGMo

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In December 2024 Matthew asked Amy and Greg who made them experts on what makes someone a Christian. They answered.

In this episode Matthew takes their answer and explains why he's unimpressed. Especially because of the way their comments negatively affect LGBTQ+ people and those who want abortion to be a valid choice.

1) The Jan 2025 episode being responded to

https://www.str.org/w/-strask-who-made-you-the-experts-on-what-makes-someone-a-christian-

2) the Dec 2024 episode that prompted Matthew's question

https://www.str.org/w/-strask-how-can-so-many-professing-christians-support-things-that-are-anti-christian-

3) When the ‘Biblical View’ for Evangelicals Was That Life Begins at Birth

https://religiondispatches.org/when-the-biblical-view-for-evangelicals-was-that-life-begins-at-birth/

4) EP105 Answering the STR challenge

https://open.spotify.com/episode/54nXmumqLbErTTXE4PtYWD?si=glUJty8XTVadUfNvJwWW7g

5) Godwin's Law

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

6) Gay Men under the Nazi Regime

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/gay-men-under-the-nazi-regime

7) Trump curtails protections around diversity, LGBTQ rights

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-sign-orders-ending-diversity-programs-proclaiming-there-are-only-two-sexes-2025-01-20/

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1) Full text of the ruling

https://supremecourt.uk/cases/judgments/uksc-2024-0042

2) legal cheek commentary

https://www.legalcheek.com/2025/04/supreme-court-rules-woman-has-biological-meaning/

3) Lauren on the T Elders podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO4_9hJCQFI

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Mark's account is chapter 16, it is the earliest, and also the shortest.There are no angels, no soldiers, Jesus is not there. Women are the only witnesses, besides the unidentified young man.Verse 9 onwards, reads differently, it contradicts the fear and silence of the women it includes hints and pointers to events described in greater detail in the other gospels. It's almost as though it was added after those stories were written.The note says some early manuscripts do not have verses 9 to 20. What it doesn't say is that manuscripts from as late the 4th century do not include these verses, they appear in manuscripts from the 5th century. This is strong evidence this text is forged. But you won't learn this from the bible. You have to engage with scholars. Why would christians downplay the truth here?Matthew's account is in chapter 28Matthew introduces an angel to roll away the stone, and an earthquake for added drama.Matthew also adds the soldiers for drama and conspiracy. Including the suggestion that Jews circulated that the disciples stole the body. Have you tried looking for evidence that the Jews actually perpetrated this? Apologists love to reference it, but I've never actually seen evidence that the claim is true. Matthew is the only one to make this claim, he is also the only one to reference guards. This is evidence of inserted fictionalisation. Matthew's account ends with the great commission and the familiar expression of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, it's almost as if this was a well known phrase and the writer of Matthew incorporated it to help create familiarity.Luke's account is chapter 24No earthquake, the stone is already rolled away. The drama about the empty tomb has two unidentified persons and a longer conversation. The women are no longer silent and afraid. The alleged appearances of Jesus are more detailed. How did Mark know the details of the conversation on the road? who is Cleopas? Why is this the only place he is mentioned? Yet another clue to added detail as the story gains momentum! Why is it Mark had access to the words of Jesus rebuking the two men, but not the words said afterwards where he explained everything in the scriptures about himself?When Jesus appears to the disciples it is he who offers to them to look at his hands and feet. Thomas is not a feature of this dialogue. Like with the road to Emmaus, Jesus opens their minds so they can understand. We have no written record of what that understanding is. There is no actual book in the bible that details what it was that Jesus had them understand. This text does not exist, and given the context, it would be a very key piece of knowledge to put into writing, more important than the details of what food Jesus ate in front of the disciples that evening. This sort of thing is evidence that the gospels are not true accounts of history, they are fictionalised accounts of events that mostly did not happen.John's account is chapter 20John inserts himself as Jesus favourite disciple. And god forbid that the women are recorded as first seeing that Jesus has risen. It has to be the men! Mary does still get to have a conversation with the angels, two of them now. Then Jesus is in the garden.The meeting where Jesus appears gains added detail, he breaths on them to impart his holy spirit. Thomas was not there, so we have the convoluted conversation to bring Jesus back to them a week later. As time progresses, and each new gospel is written, the writing becomes more dramatic and more details are included. When you read the passages consecutively like this, it becomes absolutely clear that this is what is happening. The standard apologetics excuse that this is each writer having a different focus simply does not work. These accounts are not safe to believe.

The deaths of JesusMark 15 21-41Being the earliest account, we would expect Mark to be the simplest, with the least detail.This account contains the key elements we are familiar with, Simon of Cyrene (who the hell is this guy anyway and why is he not mentioned anywhere else?) It feels like this is an inserted character to help create the narrative of Jesus being special. Even with early accounts we have suspicious detail. Has anyone ever pinpointed where Golgotha is?There is the familiar bit about Jesus' clothes being divided up. The note about Jesus being king of the Jews.The two people crucified with Jesus are called rebels. They both mocked him.All versions have the sun darkening, some suggest this is an eclipse, but that's not possible because of the length of time indicated and the point in the moons phase when Passover happens. The temple curtain being torn is also in all accounts.Reading Marks account, it's easy to see how even early versions of stories will contain fictionalised detail.Matthew 27 32-55Matthew is very similar to Mark, much of it considered to be a straight copy. Yet even here we see new details being inserted.The note about being king of the Jews gains words, it is placed above Jesus' head. Jesus gets two drinks. The mocking of Jesus has more words, those being crucified with him are still rebels and they also both still mock him.The tearing of the temple curtain isn't enough, so an earthquake is added, but that's still not enough, so rocks are split and dead people come back to life. I wonder why the earthquake didn't topple the crosses.This time it's not the centurion who declares him the son of god, but multiple people who were there watching.Luke 23 26-49Jesus gains a few lines of dialogue during the journey to the crucifixion. And while he is on the cross. We are introduced to the phrase "father forgive them for they know not what they do", you'd think that such a memorable phrase would have been included in all accounts. The mocking of Jesus has changed. The notice above his head has changed, again.We also have the significant change of only one of those being crucified with Jesus mocking him. You'd think that all accounts would have a detail as critical as this. This is exactly the sort of difference that indicates a narrative that is evolving over time.The post death phrase recognising Jesus as being righteous is back to just the centurion saying it. The earthquake has disappeared, but Jesus death is a little more dramatic. It's this kind of subtle detail differences that lead scholars to suggest that those who wrote Luke and Matthew copied from Mark. Each using Mark as a base and adding their own embellishments. John 19 16-36Simon of Cyrene is dropped, as though he's taking too much attention from Jesus and instead Jesus carried his own cross.The note is still there, the text has changed again, and this time it's in multiple languages to really drive the point home. The writers obviously could not agree on what it was that had been written about Jesus. Pilot gets a chance to justify what he wrote. Who had a contact with the chief priests to find this out? Yet another detail that feels like it's inserted fiction.The separating of Jesus clothes gains new detail. What happened to that untorn garment, that would have been very valuable. There is extra detail testing for the death of Jesus with the spear in his side. This is a crucial detail that seems to be forgotten by the earlier accounts, is this another addition?When you read the different accounts of Jesus crucifixion and death, there is clear progression in the narrative, details are added to increase drama and mundane parts are removed. This is exactly the kind of changes that happen when stories evolve over years and decades of retelling.

This is why I, and others, simply can not accept the gospels, or the bible as anything other than a human book telling human stories.

Did Jesus really wash his disciples feet?Christian apologists like to make a point of the gospels being written by eye witnesses and that being written close to the original events makes then less likely to be polluted by the passage of time. The issue with this is that we don't know who wrote any of the gospels. That aside, using the logic that earlier is better, we should expect to see progression of the story, we should expect to see addition of details in the later accounts.Mark's account of the last supper is in chapter 14.A couple of things stand out in this passage, firstly, there is mention of the Festival of unleavened bread, it starts on the 15th day of Nissan, the day after Passover. How come they haven't had Passover yet? Why are they only now preparing for it? This seems odd.It has the very familiar account of Jesus predicting his betrayal, and the breaking of bread. Judas is not identified, even though the preceding passage is about judas agreeing the betrayal.Matthews's account of the last supper is in chapter 26.Matthew is almost identical to Mark. The same details, the same phrases and the same order. Some scholars do say that Matthew copied from Mark, and reading this I can see why. Notice too the extra detail. Verse 15 has the extra detail of Judas asking and Jesus responding. Reading this, and knowing that Matthew was written after Mark, and probably copied from Mark, this verse does indeed feel like a later addition, a piece of conversation that never happened but was inserted for the benefit of readers with a short memory.Luke's account of the last supper is in chapter 22.A new fact, but it's wrong. The festival of Unleavened bread is not the same as the Passover. It's almost as if this was written by someone who was not a practising jew, or who didn't pay attention to detail.This time, instead of just instructing his disciples, Jesus now instructs a specific pair. The story is evolving.Notice how this account has the bread and wine being shared out twice, and the part about betrayal isn't there.Even as an English translation, this version is more awkward to read, it doesn't flow and feels like it's had cuts and edits. Weird.The bit about swords, is plain odd. As if the next bit of the chapter requires a sword, and the editor realised that no one had one so they had to explain the presence of a sword so that the incident on the mount of Olives made sense.We also lost the singing of hymns.Then finally we get to John's account of the last supper, which is in chapter 13.This version feels a whole lot darker than the previous three. It's very different. As though it has had a longer period of time to evolve before getting written down.Little details like sending the disciples to find the room are lost, along with bigger details like the breaking of bread and sharing of wine. Instead there is a version of the judas scene, with judas now leaving the meal.What's odd for me is the rest of the chapter is Jesus preaching and interacting with the disciples, this goes on for so long that it extends into the next chapter, don't worry, I won't be reading it all, but there is a bit I want to draw attention to. Chapter 14, verse 22, Judas asks a question. But Judas has already left. Ah, this bit in parenthesis saying not Judas Iscariot. Did a later editor have an oh shit moment and hurriedly cover up the mistake. This is exactly what I'd expect from narratives that evolve over time, been subject to multiple embellishments from multiple contributors. I know that apologists have an explanation for this, and they have to explain it because on face value it is a problem, there is no other disciple called Judas. Invent an explanation they must. Any explanation is better than admitting it is fiction.The four versions evolve, progress, get darker and show clear signs of editing and embellishment. This is why I can't believe the bible is true and why I can't take Christianity seriously.

This bonus episode of Still Unbelievable! is the audio part of a video uploaded to the ReasonPress YouTube channel. All episodes of Still Unbelievable now also get uploaded to YouTube, and as a bonus, we also do a few videos that, for practical purposes, are available on YouTube only, link in the show notes. As a special treat for this easter, there will be additional videos on our channel addressing issues with the Easter story.

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In this episode of Still Unbelievable! Matthew is in conversation with Phil from the flawed theology podcast. Phil is a fellow contributor of the Apostate book that is now available and tells the stories of 21 people who have left Christianity. Links in the show notes for the book and Phil's podcast content.

1) Apostate

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPNBSCBG

2) Flawed Theology podcast

https://www.flawedtheologypodcast.com/

3) Capitol riots with Christian aligned flags and symbols

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/09/us/capitol-hill-insurrection-extremist-flags-soh/index.html

4) Epicurean paradox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurean_paradox

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In this episode of Still Unbelievable! Matthew reviews another conversion story. This one features Daniel, who is known as Darwin to Jesus on that hive of shitiness formally known as Twitter. Daniel's takes on matters of religion and atheism are bad, so bad that there are many who actually think he's a troll parodying the worst of religion. Our confidence that he is a real Christian is about 90%, the 10% in reserve is because there are times we wonder if he is a very clever troll. The main reason is because a troll couldn't keep it up for as long as he has. Which makes the things he says worthy of Matthew's special brand of sarcastic retort, which will be employed by the bucket in this episode, because the things Daniel says are genuinely pathetic and any christian who gives his stupidity a platform deserves ridicule.

The episode being responded to is link 1 and is from the podcast, Ex-skeptic. Yes, there really is a podcast called ex-skeptic, featuring versions of Christianity that actually celebrate turning away from skeptical thought. It's as though they are no longer ashamed of unreasonable credulity. If we weren't so busy rolling our eyes, we'd actually find time to pity those fools.

And with that done, let's get on with the shit show.

1) Original episode

https://exskeptic.org/podcast/dismantling-atheism-daniels-story/

2) Ben Affleck, Sam Harris and Bill Maher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

3) The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion

https://amzn.eu/d/7dzrycN

4) How Morality Has the Objectivity that Matters—Without God

https://secularhumanism.org/2014/07/cont-how-morality-has-the-objectivity-that-matterswithout-god/

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In this episode of Still Unbelievable, Matthew interviews Tim, who is a fellow contributor to the book Apostate.

See the below for links to the book, other podcasts and items mentioned in this discussion.

1) Buy Apostate

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPNBSCBG

2) Matthew on the Graceful Atheist

https://gracefulatheist.com/2019/06/20/matthew-taylor-confessions-of-a-young-earth-creationist/

https://gracefulatheist.com/2023/12/30/matthew-taylor-why-we-podcast/

3) Genetically Modified Skeptic

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG1uayRlzz3ahT8ISRdyw7Q

4) Gutsick Gibbon

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJNcAH2yzV3VAMYIGxCZ8_w

5) NonStampCollector

https://www.youtube.com/@NonStampCollector

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In this episode of Still Unbelievable, Matthew welcoms back friend of the podcast, Clint Heacock to talk about Clint's book, Not so Shiny not so Happy People and Apostate and the process of writing and publishing.

See the show notes for links to the books and to Clint's podcast, dismantling doctrine.

1) buy Not So Shiny Not So Happy People

https://amzn.eu/d/eKzA4se

2) Buy Apostate

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPNBSCBG

3) buy Still Unbelievable!

https://amzn.eu/d/5zaoHzh

4) Dismantling Doctrine Podcast

https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=dismantling%20doctrine%20podcast

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In this episode of Still Unbelievable, Matthew chats with Liz Charlotte Grant. Liz's book, Knock at the Sky is recommended for anyone who considers themself a doubter, questioner or deconstructor. It is a book that will bring a new perspective to female characters in genesis. We appreciated Liz's book and found her witty and engaging to converse with. We have no doubt you will enjoy this conversation. As always, links to topics we raise are in the show notes, including links to Liz's website and where to buy her book.

1) Liz Charlotte Grant

https://lizcharlotte.com/about

2) Pre order the book

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/knock-at-the-sky-liz-charlotte-grant/1146133120

3) Almost Heretical

Listen to Liz on almost Heretical podcast

https://almostheretical.com/liz-charlotte-grant/

4) Abraham's Excellent Adventure

An alternative version of the Abraham and Issac story, not the one mentioned by Matthew in the episode, but still an interesting retelling.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/abrahams-2735409

5) Toxic Empathy

https://www.wikihow.com/Toxic-Empathy

6) The Empathy List

https://www.thempathylist.com/

7) The Binding of Isaac

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-binding-of-isaac/

8) Why the Midrash Has Abraham Thrown into Nimrod’s Furnace

https://www.thetorah.com/article/why-the-midrash-has-abraham-thrown-into-nimrods-furnace

9) nimrod vs abraham

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112333/jewish/Nimrod-and-Abraham.htm

10) Abrahams birth and back story

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/246612/jewish/Abraham.htm

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In this episode of Still Unbelievable, Matthew interviews Sarah Bacaller. This is an exciting episode because it is the first official episode celebrating the launch of the book Apostate. Sarah has organised 21 different people who each recount some of their recovery from Christianity. There will be more episodes that discuss the book, including interviews with contributors. To buy the book, see link 1 in the show notes, Sarah's book, Fault Lines, that she mentions, is link 2.

1) Apostate

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPNBSCBG

2) Sarah's Book - The Fault Lines Founding Liberty

https://www.perlego.com/book/1977416/the-fault-lines-founding-liberty-pdf?campaignid=436530068&adgroupid=1353500616599525&msclkid=cff54170bda812b8672e26162d4c6361

3) The Stacie's Mom Podcast - Apostate: Deconversion Stories with Sarah & Phil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5e6HJq2W-0

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In this episode Matthew comments on a two part series of Christians talking about deconversion.

It really is as bad as you think it will be, and is one reason why Christians are spending far too much time talking and not enough time paying attention. The episodes are from the Apologetics Radio show and were published in 2021.

1) the original episodes

https://apologetics.com/deconversion/

https://apologetics.com/deconversion-part-2/

Apple podcast links

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/deconversion/id91466394?i=1000529383652

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/deconversion-part-2/id91466394?i=1000536435151

2) BIOLA

https://apologetics.com/author/jnoyes/

3) Jon Noyes

https://www.biola.edu/about/theological-positions?_gl=1*1qzn87w*_gcl_au*MjAzNTQ5MTgxNC4xNzMwNjI0NjA4*_ga*MTA3Nzc3MTE2OC4xNzIwODg2NTIw*_ga_YFBWBXLQJ7*MTczMDYyNDYwNy4zLjEuMTczMDYyNDcyOS4zNi4wLjA.

4) Deconstructionism

https://www.philosophybasics.com/movements_deconstructionism.html

5) Jon Steingard

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4BTWDakXuxtb8CaMTgzDSb

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Apologist Vince Vitale did a review of a Free Will debate, see the link no 1 in the show notes. The original debate is at link 2. Matthew reviews Vince's review because there are some Christian justifications for free will that simply do not make any sense.

1)

https://www.premier.plus/unbelievable/podcasts/episodes/christian-philosopher-vince-vitale-stunned-by-free-will-showdown-alex-oconnor-vs-alex-carter

2)

https://www.premierunbelievable.com/unbelievable/free-will-vs-determinism-whos-really-in-controlalex-oconnor-vs-prof-alex-carter-hosted-by-ruth-jackson/18133.article

3) Foiling

https://www.surfertoday.com/surfing/the-beginners-guide-to-foil-surfing

4) EAAN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_argument_against_naturalism

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In this episode of Still Unbelievable! David from Skeptics and Seekers joins Matthew to discuss, and answer, 3 questions that Cameron Bertuzzi posted onto his Capturing Christianity channel. We're unimpressed by these questions because we think they reveal an attempt to trap atheists into a specific answer, and as such they are not good faith questions. This is why our discussion of the questions run to an hour. This is the edited audio of a video David and Matthew recorded, to see the full unedited video see the links in the show notes. The link to the original questions video is also in the show notes, along with the full text of the questions.

The Questions:

1) do you believe that our beliefs ought to be proportioned to the evidence?

2) if we could verify that a miracle occurred, is that good reason to think god exists?

3) if you're an atheist and you said yes to no1. and you think we have a way of verifying that miracles exists. How many of the millions of claims have you deeply investigated?

1) original video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK3ArZ1r4bs

2) skeptics and seekers

https://skepticsandseekers.squarespace.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@skepticsandseekers4715

3) The video version of this audio content

https://youtu.be/_0E8W3Srdtk

4) Sai Baba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sai_Baba_of_Shirdi

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Episode 122 Bekah McNeel - This Is Going To Hurt

In this episode of Still Unbelievable! We welcome back Bekah McNeel. Bekah is a journalist and author. We interviewed Bekah for her first book, Bringing Up Kids when Church Lets You Down in Episode 91, see link in the show notes. In this episode Matthew talks with Bekah about her next book, This is Going to Hurt: Following Jesus in a Divided America. See the show notes for more on Bekah and her books. We enjoyed having Bekah as a guest, we find her insightful and compassionate, we hope you enjoy this episode as much as Matthew enjoyed the conversation.

1) Bekah McNeel

https://bekahmcneel.com/about/

2) Buy Bekah's Books

https://bekahmcneel.com/book/

3) Bekah on Still Unbelievable! in March 2023

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/still-unbelievable/episodes/Episode-91---Bringing-Up-Kids-When-Church-Lets-You-Down-e1vsm9j

4) Bekah on Sojourners

https://sojo.net/biography/bekah-mcneel

5) Antinomianism

https://slife.org/antinomianism/

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In this episode David and Matthew continue our series telling our stories by recounting our early school years. Andrew was unable to join us for this recording, but we will be catching up with him soon.

1) Part 1 - episode 117

https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/8E4Lwigq8Lb

2) ACE

https://www.christian.education/ace

3) Matthew discusses the kidnapping event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiLK1Oi_TCw&t=5226s

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In this episode Matthew reviews a Christian podcast which attempts to address the problem of God's hiddenness. But as you're about to hear, it descends into predictable chest beating victim blaming. This is Christian apologetics at it's utter worst. Rather than explain why god is justified in being hidden from you, this podcast tediously explains why it's all your fault for being a shitty person. And with that spoiler out the way, lets get started and have some fun. The podcast is called Christianity still makes sense and Link 1 goes to the original episode.

1) the youtube original

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BimiC1FPySA&list=PLtO-GFhq5vCCxmrSwF4D96sMfBq3WuD48&index=3

2) Tim on Still Unbelievable!

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/still-unbelievable/episodes/Episode-72---Matthew-in-Conversation-with-Christian-Tim-Hull-e1el7s0

3) John L. Schellenberg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._L._Schellenberg

4) Freedom from religion

https://ffrf.org/

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In this episode of Still Unbelievable! Matthew comments on an episode of the Worldview Legacy podcast which argues that science and Christian faith do not conflict. The podcast host is Joel Settecase, who we have featured in a previous commentary episode. We take the view that there are claims in Christianity that are not scientifically defendable and that means that there are areas of conflict. For example, ask a Christian what scientific test you can do to confirm the existence of their god. When the Christian avoids a direct answer, it is them who is creating that conflict, not me and not science. Link 1 goes to the original episode.

1) The original episode

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/worldviewlegacy/episodes/19-Why-I-Believe-Science-and-Christianity-Dont-Conflict-e1o4iit/a-a8ie63n

2) Pew research on science and faith in conflict

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2015/10/22/perception-of-conflict-between-science-and-religion/#:~:text=The%20new%20Pew%20Research%20Center%20findings%20show%20that,consider%20science%20and%20religion%20to%20be%20mostly%20compatible.

3) 3 laws of logic

https://www.cambridgeskeptics.org.uk/a-brief-guide-to-logic-the-3-laws

https://jamesbishopblog.com/2018/06/21/what-are-the-laws-of-logic/

4) The Principles of Mathematics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Principles_of_Mathematics

5) Scientific laws

https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/scientific-experiments/10-scientific-laws-theories.htm

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/laws-of-nature/

6) the Scientific Method

https://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/science-fair/steps-of-the-scientific-method

7) Inductive and deductive reasoning

https://www.scribbr.com/methodology/inductive-reasoning/

https://www.scribbr.com/methodology/deductive-reasoning/

8) EAAN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_argument_against_naturalism

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11098-007-9155-3

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11153-022-09832-3

9) Darwin's Letter To William Graham 3 July 1881

https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/letter/DCP-LETT-13230.xml

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In this Episode Matthew will address statements made in an episode promoting Young Earth Creationism, see link 1. The podcast is Macrophage Strategy and the host, Ben, did appear on Still Unbelievable! in episode 86, see link 2. Ben does make reference to some specific scientific ideas in his episode, and in each case there will be links, so please do make use of them when doing your own checking. The bottom line is this, Ben's points are understandable but fatally flawed and display how fundamentalist mindsets harm our ability to think critically. Young earth creationism makes terrible assumptions about our world and this is why the four reasons Ben presents are very bad reasons to be a YEC.

1) original episode

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/macrophagestrategy/episodes/Ep--2---Four-Reasons-to-be-YEC-e1h0o2u

2) Ben on Still Unbelievable!

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/still-unbelievable/episodes/Episode-86---In-conversation-with-A-Young-Earth-Creationist-e1sdcp8

3) Archimedes destroyed the Roman fleet at the siege of Syracuse

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0143-0807/13/6/004/meta

https://www.historynet.com/the-siege-of-syracuse-a-roman-general-vs-a-greek-genius/

4) Kim dynasty myths

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/top-10-myths-north-koreans-are-told-about-leader-kim-jong-un/HW4M2UQJJWWJ4GCECDHGEHJ33I/

5) Contradictions in Resurrection and Ascension

https://www.learnreligions.com/jesus-resurrection-and-ascension-contradictions-250145

6) Two books

https://scriptureandscience.museumofthebible.org/gods-two-books

7) Hermeneutics

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hermeneutics/

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/understanding-hermeneutics/introduction-what-is-hermeneutics/FB1290B7101F13F9EED6DE7F4A15B5EC

https://academic.oup.com/book/740/chapter-abstract/135397603?redirectedFrom=fulltext

https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780190221911/obo-9780190221911-0125.xml

8) Understanding context and intention

https://philosophy.institute/epistemology/introduction-hermeneutics-art-interpretation/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20central%20tenets%20of%20hermeneutics%20is,broader%20circumstances%20in%20which%20a%20text%20was%20created.

9) Eisegesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisegesis

10) Context of Genesis 1

https://bible.org/seriespage/1-analysis-and-synthesis-genesis

https://www.publicchristianity.org/the-purpose-of-genesis-1-an-historical-approach/

11) Standard model and Special Relativity

https://atomparticles.com/why-is-the-standard-model-incompatible-with-general-relativity/

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2015.0260

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This episode of Still Unbelievable! is a replay of an old episode of Ask and Atheist Anything, where Andrew and Matthew have a conversation with David, from skeptics and seekers, about polemicism. If you've followed us since those early days, you will have already heard this conversation. We think it is still relevant and this is why it's now being added to the Still Unbelievable! feed.

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In this Episode Matthew reviews a conversation between Christians as they discuss terminal cancer diagnosis. The original broadcast was on Unbelievable! in March 2024, see link below.

The original YouTube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p146mw5AuQ4&t=6s

featuring Steve Legg and Allan Finnegan

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In this episode Matthew reviews an episode of Frank Turek's Cross Examined podcast, where he and Dr. Titus Kennedy discuss discoveries about Jesus that are outside of the biblical texts.

1) the original podcast episode

https://crossexamined.org/the-top-20-discoveries-about-jesus-outside-the-bible/

2) Biola University statement of faith

https://www.biola.edu/about/theological-positions

3) Birthplace of Jesus

https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/3212-beth-lehem-judah

https://theconversation.com/bethlehem-and-beyond-how-christianitys-earliest-sites-were-identified-151719

https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1433

4) Celsus on the Virgin Birth

https://jamesbishopblog.com/2020/06/23/greek-philsopher-celsus-on-the-historical-jesus/

https://www.bluffton.edu/courses/humanities/1/celsus.htm#:~:text=%5BCelsus%5D%20accuses%20%5BJesus%5D%20of%20having%20%22%20invented%20his,by%20means%20of%20these%20proclaimed%20himself%20a%20God.

5) Herod

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariamne_I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents

6) Peter's House

https://www.galaxie.com/article/bspade13-1-08#:~:text=While%20nothing%20found%20in%20the%20house%20proved%20this,pilgrims%20suggests%20they%20believed%20it%20was%20Peter%E2%80%99s%20house%21

7) rooster crowing commentary

https://acts242study.com/before-the-rooster-crows/#:~:text=At%20the%20end%20of%20the%203%20a.m.%20and,Jesus%20used%20that%20same%20phrase%20to%20describe%20it.

https://rsc.byu.edu/ministry-peter-chief-apostle/accounts-peters-denial-understanding-texts-motifs

https://news.ag.org/en/articles/news/2016/05/sometimes%20a%20rooster%20is%20not%20a%20rooster

8) Caiaphas Ossuary

https://cojs.org/ossuary_of_the_high_priest_caiaphas-_18-36_ce/

https://www.greatarchaeology.com/Caiaphas_ossuary.php

https://library.biblicalarchaeology.org/article/burial-cave-of-the-caiaphas-family/

9) James Ossuary

https://www.antiquities.org.il/default_en.aspx

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/the-troubled-return-of-the-james-ossuary/

https://www.livescience.com/50434-jesus-family-tomb-geology.html

https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2023/04/20/weighing-the-evidence-is-the-james-ossuary-authentic/

10) Caesarea Philippi

https://www.bibleplaces.com/caesarea-philippi-banias/

11) Justin Martyr

https://archive.org/details/firstapologyofju00just/page/n9/mode/2up

12) Celsus (again)

https://jamesbishopblog.com/2020/06/23/greek-philsopher-celsus-on-the-historical-jesus/#:~:text=On%20Christ%E2%80%99s%20miracles%2C%20Celsus%20argues%20that%20he%20worked,miracles%20are%20just%20fables%20invented%20by%20the%20disciples.

https://readingacts.com/2010/10/20/the-historical-reliability-of-jesus-miracles/

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/heyj.12161

13) The Jesus Forgery: Josephus Untangled

https://stellarhousepublishing.com/josephus/

14) Sejanus

https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/sejanus/

15) Nazareth Inscription

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/nazareth-inscription-origins-may-refute-ties-jesus-resurrection

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth_Inscription

https://biblearchaeology.org/research/chronological-categories/new-testament-era/4658-the-nazareth-inscription-proof-of-the-resurrection-of-christ

https://biblearchaeologyreport.com/2021/03/19/scholars-chair-interview-dr-clyde-billington/

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Episode 112 - Sy Garte says Science is not Enough

In this episode Matthew reviews a conversion story from the podcast Side B Stories, the episode features the scientist Dr Sy Garte. Dr Garte has written a book called Science and Faith in Harmony so Matthew examines Dr Garte's testimony to see where science features in the story.

1) Dr Garte on the Side B stories podcast

https://sidebstories.com/podcast/science-is-not-enough-dr-sy-gartes-story/

2) Dr Garte's website

https://sygarte.com/

Review of another book by St Garte

https://www.equip.org/articles/journey-to-the-bottom-of-the-glass-a-review-of-the-works-of-his-hands-a-scientists-journey-from-atheism-to-faith-by-sy-garte/

3) My conversations with Mike D'Virgilio on the Unbelievable? and Still Unbelievable! podcasts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foThkxnpHFY&t=2s

https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/still-unbelievable/episodes/Episode-93---Mike-DVirgilio---Is-the-Bible-Uninvented-e20nu67

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Episode 111 - The Deconversion of Jake

Matthew interviews Jake about his deconversion from Christianity.

links to feed your curiosity......

That Bill Nye - Ken Ham debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI

YouTube channels to start with

https://www.youtube.com/@skydivephil

https://www.youtube.com/@DigitalGnosis

https://www.youtube.com/@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic

https://www.youtube.com/c/gutsickgibbon

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In this episode Matthew reviews a Creationist podcast that gives tips on how to debate evolution with an atheist. The podcast is from the Think Institute, by Joel Settecase, who is a Young Earth Creationist. We reviewed Joel's justification of this position back in Episode 80. In this episode, Joel has conversations with atheists with the intention of picking holes in evolution. There is some low quality dialogue in the exchanges, so Matthew will also be criticising things that are said to Joel, this won't be a one sided critique.

1) https://thethink.institute/

2) Episode 80

https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/Ra7ULmbZ2Eb

3) https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/22-how-to-debate-evolution-with-an-atheist/id1462722483?i=1000582330068

4) EAAN:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_argument_against_naturalism

5) EAAN Refuted

https://stephenlaw.blogspot.com/2012/12/plantingas-evolutionary-argument.html

6) https://humanorigins.si.edu/education/how-do-we-know/how-do-we-know-humans-are-primates

7) https://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/letter/?docId=letters/DCP-LETT-13230.xml

8) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium

9) https://royalsocietypublishing.org/toc/rsfs/7/5

10) http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/polystrate/trees.html

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This is an episode we genuinely looked forward to recording. Andrew and Matthew talk with Derek Kubilus, author of the book Holy Hell, A Case Against Eternal Damnation. Derek is genuinely compassionate and that comes across in his writing. His acknowledgment of the harm that hell theology causes and his case against it presents a god that many will find more palatable or even attractive. If hell doctrine is something that bothers you or even if you only have a passing interesting in hell, then we highly recommend reading his book, it has the power the heal wounds. If you enjoy this conversation, Derek has also appeared on the Deconstructionists podcast.

Derek Kubilus

https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802883179/

Derek on The Deconstructionists podcast part 1 and 2

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/derek-kubilus-holy-hell-a-case-against-eternal/id1080170463?i=1000633172265

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/derek-kubilus-holy-hell-a-case-against-eternal/id1080170463?i=1000633945184

Terry Eagleton - Culture and the Death of God

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23360122-culture-and-the-death-of-god

Universalism

https://www.theopedia.com/universalism

Derek's Heaven Buddies Sermon

https://player.fm/series/the-united-methodist-church-of-uniontown/exilecast-heaven-buddies

Open Theism

https://iep.utm.edu/o-theism/

Devid Bentley Hart - The New Testament: A Translation

https://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Testament-David-Bentley-Hart/dp/0300186096?ie=UTF8&tag=mh0a9-21&hvadid=&hvpos=&hvexid={aceid}&hvnetw=o&hvrand=&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_7dy1f5hemb_e

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Episode 107 - Stories and Legends

In this episode Andrew and Matthew are joined by David from Skeptics and Seekers to talk stories and legends. There is hilarity and seriousness, legends and even demons! Enjoy.

Exploring The Allegedly Grisly Meaning Behind ‘London Bridge Is Falling Down’

https://allthatsinteresting.com/london-bridge-is-falling-down-meaning

The legend of St David and St Non

St David is patron saint of Wales and St Non is his mother.

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofWales/St-David-Patron-Saint-of-Wales/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_David

https://www.stdavidscathedral.org.uk/discover/history/St-Non

https://www.westerntelegraph.co.uk/news/23393540.history-look-life-st-non-mother-st-david/

https://woww.narberthmuseum.co.uk/st-non/

Gelert the saviour dog

https://www.beddgelerttourism.com/gelert/

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofWales/The-legend-of-brave-Gelert/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelert

show me the toes

https://showmethetoes.com/

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Matthew reviews an episode of Unbelievable from October 2021. A promo for the Premier Christianity course Confident Christianity featuring William Lane Craig, John Lennox, Amy Orr-Ewing and Gary Habermas. As usual, there are references below.

1) Unbelievable podcast - Confident Christianity October 1st 2012

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/confident-christianity-john-lennox-amy-orr-ewing-william/id267142101?i=1000537264086

2) Callumn Brown, death of Christian Britain

https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203350423/death-christian-britain-callum-brown

https://reviews.history.ac.uk/review/236

3) Language Truth and Logic

https://archive.org/details/AlfredAyer

4) Verification

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/160940690200100202

5) Tim Hull

https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/eFA0I31BLCb

6) God and other minds

https://antilogicalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/plantinga-gom.pdf

7) The Metaphilosophy of Naturalism

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271322119_The_Metaphilosophy_of_Naturalism

8) Sir Harry Kroto

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/may/02/sir-harry-kroto-nobel-prize-winning-chemist-dies-carbon

9) https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2011/jul/04/harry-kroto-science-truth

10) Erwin Schrödinger

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger

11) ETS Walton

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Walton#:~:text=Ernest%20Thomas%20Sinton%20Walton%20%286%20October%201903%20%E2%80%93,atom.%20This%20section%20needs%20additional%20citations%20for%20verification.

12) Ghillean Prance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghillean_Prance

13) George Kline Quote

https://www.compellingtruth.org/scientists-believe-God.html

14) Lee Rigby

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby

15) textual criticism

https://www.britannica.com/topic/textual-criticism

16) Richard I

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_I_of_England

17) Maurice Casey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Casey

18) Alexander the Great in legend

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great_in_legend

19) Historiography of Alexander the Great

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historiography_of_Alexander_the_Great

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Episode 104 - Can Christians convince us of the resurrection? In this episode Matthew responds to a Christian podcast addressing atheist arguments against the resurrection. Can the things they say get us to reconsider our denial of the resurrection as an historical event?

Original YouTube video

1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxsonUSCKcc

Paulogia on YouTube

2) https://www.youtube.com/@Paulogia

3) Seam McDowell video

https://youtu.be/elXMJoJA3cQ

4) Sean McDowell 480 page document on martyrdom on the apostles

https://repository.sbts.edu/handle/10392/4857

https://repository.sbts.edu/bitstream/handle/10392/4857/McDowell_sbts_0207D_10221.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

5) Polycarp

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Martyrdom-of-Polycarp

https://discerninghistory.com/2016/01/polycarp-the-man-the-flames-would-not-touch/

6) Gospel names

https://www.worldhistory.org/The_Gospels/

7) Brant Pitre is classic apologist

https://vridar.org/2016/02/09/why-the-anonymous-gospels-failure-of-scholarship-in-pitres-the-case-for-jesus/

https://vridar.org/2016/03/08/the-arguments-for-and-against-the-anonymity-of-the-canonical-gospels/

https://www.worldhistory.org/The_Gospels/

https://jameshiscoxblogs.wordpress.com/2016/08/26/apologetics-vs-real-scholarship-on-the-dating-and-authorship-of-the-gospels/

http://www.humanreligions.info/gospels.html#Anon

https://brill.com/view/journals/nt/50/2/article-p120_2.xml

8) Origen

https://brill.com/view/journals/scri/12/1/article-p181_11.xml?language=en

9) Swoon Hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swoon_hypothesis

10) Miracle of the sun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

11) Martyrs deaths

http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAF1392.pdf

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Andrew and Matthew have a conversation with Daniel, a Palestinian Christian.

An Open Letter from Palestinian Christians to Western Church Leaders and Theologians

https://www.change.org/p/an-open-letter-from-palestinian-christians-to-western-church-leaders-and-theologians

Daniel on the New Evangelicals podcast

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2CeHsj52D0tqgda0kJBpuS

Across the Divide Podcast

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/across-the-divide/id1714814860

https://open.spotify.com/show/5PrVCyafdQdh8Jpz5gZNyR

A fitting metaphor for Gaza

https://www.dawn.com/news/1787145

Gaza: Israel’s ‘Open-Air Prison’ at 15

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15

Half of Gaza's population is under 18. Here's what that means for the conflict

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206897328/half-of-gazas-population-is-under-18-heres-what-that-means-for-the-conflict#:~:text=Of%20the%20more%20than%202%20million%20people%20living,bracing%20for%20an%20Israeli%20ground%20invasion%20are%20children.

The argument that Israel practices apartheid, explained

https://www.vox.com/23924319/israel-palestine-apartheid-meaning-history-debate

Balfour Declaration: Theresa May hosts Israeli PM for centenary

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41819451

The Hundred Years' War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi review – conquest and resistance

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/07/the-hundred-years-war-on-palestine-by-rashid-khalidi-review-conquest-and-resistance

International Poverty Line: Definition, Criticism, Uses

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/international-poverty-line.asp#:~:text=The%20international%20poverty%20line%20is%20a%20monetary%20threshold,poverty%20line%20is%20%242.15%20per%20person%20per%20day.

An Israeli ministry, in a 'concept paper,' proposes transferring Gaza civilians to Egypt's Sinai

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israeli-ministry-concept-paper-proposes-transferring-gaza-civilians-104487924

Debating Israei Ethnocracy and the Challenge of Secular Democracy:

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/230811/pdf

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In this second episode, Andrew and Matthew continue their discussion with Eric, this time talking about the current conflict in Gaza and the modern history that contextualises it.

Profile: Mahmoud Abbas

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20033995

Hamas Covenant 1988

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

The story about beheaded babies is probably false.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/decapitated-babies-claim-intent-dehumanization.html

The hospital bombing was probably not Israel and the number of casualties is likely overstated

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67144061

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html

Hamas takes control of Gaza - 2007

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/15/israel4

What is a human shield and how has Hamas been accused of using them?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

Israel claims Gaza's largest hospital is a Hamas command centre, but Palestinians and others reject claim

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-27-23/h_acdbf216cc4de120872cf48b55541c63

UN Conflict Casualties

https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

1948 Palestine war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war

THE WEST BANK WAS ANNEXED ONCE BEFORE. IT ENDED IN REGRET.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/martinkramer/files/the_west_bank_was_annexed_once_before._it_ended_in_regret._.pdf

Ernest Bevin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Bevin

Memri TV Archives

https://www.memri.org/tv/archives

Israeli disengagement from Gaza

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

2006 Palestinian legislative election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election

Battle of Gaza (2007)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)

Netanyahu Accused of 'Genocidal Intentions' in Gaza After 'Holy Mission' Speech

https://www.commondreams.org/news/netanyahu-genocide

Gaza’s food system has been stretched to breaking point by Israel

https://theconversation.com/gazas-food-system-has-been-stretched-to-breaking-point-by-israel-188556

How Jenin battle became a 'massacre'

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2002/may/06/mondaymediasection5

Explainer: When are attacks on civilian infrastructure war crimes?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/when-are-attacks-civilian-infrastructure-war-crimes-2022-12-16/

Hamas Quietly Admits It Fired Rockets from Civilian Areas

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/hamas-quietly-admits-it-fired-rockets-from-civilian-areas/380149/

The United Nations — From Ally to Antisemitic

https://www.newsweek.com/united-nations-ally-antisemitic-platform-opinion-1636252

UN Watch

https://unwatch.org/en-observant-les-observateurs/

Hamas commits war crimes

https://jcpa.org/the-gaza-war-2014/legal-aspects-hamas-war-on-israel/

Israel war crimes

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlawful-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-southern-lebanon-as-cross-border-hostilities-escalate/

UNRWA STRONGLY CONDEMNS PLACEMENT OF ROCKETS IN SCHOOL

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-strongly-condemns-placement-rockets-school

UN resolutions against Israel compared

https://unwatch.org/2022-2023-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-of-the-world/

In this special bonus Episode, Andrew and Matthew welcome Eric to talk about the history of Israel.

History of Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

History of Palestine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_State_of_Palestine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine

British Mandate on Palestine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Palestine

Gaza is not friendly to the LGBT+ community

https://epgn.com/2019/08/22/some-palestinians-don-t-forget-to-kill-the-homosexuals/

Dreyfus Affair

https://jewishunpacked.com/what-was-the-dreyfus-affair/

Mahmoud Abbas addresses the UN Sept 21, 2023.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1141237

Abraham Accords

https://www.abraham-accords.uk/

https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2020/10/23/the-abraham-accords-a-peace-deal-in-name-only/

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2023-09-14/debates/7F307569-9A0D-40F0-9863-53806E19349E/AbrahamAccords

https://mei.edu/publications/two-pillars-abraham-accords

The 2002 Arab Peace Initiative

https://israeled.org/resources/documents/2002-arab-peace-initiative/

US ambassador Phillip Lader on BBC question time 2001-09-13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of6fsC9mOyU

Animated History of the Israel Palestine conflict

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m19F4IHTVGc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYZjOuUnlU

Animated History of the Jews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIYHMdOr5Aw

A Brief History of Palestine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DadVT2Ux_4

A longer History of Palestine (which tells a different perspective to the video above)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUCeQt8zg5o

Merneptah Stele

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele

The Origins of the Ancient Israelite States

https://vdoc.pub/documents/the-origins-of-the-ancient-israelite-states-jsot-supplement-series-7dm6fak708e0

Tel Dan stele

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_stele

Maccabean Revolt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean_Revolt

Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan

Bar Kokhba Revolt

https://www.britannica.com/event/Bar-Kokhba-Revolt

How Christian Europe created anti-Semitism in the Middle Ages

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/culture/how-christian-europe-created-anti-semitism-in-the-middle-ages/47800164

The Shock of the Black Death

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/persecution-and-toleration/shock-of-the-black-death/F8E3957BC21A02DA40E0DDEB50696D77

Ion Mihai Pacepa, Romanian spy

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2021/02/25/ion-mihai-pacepa-romanian-spy-star-defector-revealed-sordid/

Israel and Gaza maps: How the borders have changed throughout history and where Palestinians live

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/israel-gaza-maps-borders-changed-history-where-palestinians-live-2690900

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54116567

PLO History

https://remix.aljazeera.com/aje/PalestineRemix/plo.html

http://palestineun.org/about-palestine/palestine-liberation-organization/

Hajj Amin al-Husayni meets Hitler

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/film/hajj-amin-al-husayni-meets-hitler

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/hajj-amin-al-husayni-wartime-propagandist

Operation Barbarossa

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/what-was-operation-barbarossa

The Holocaust as Seen by Its Perpetrators and Bystanders

http://www.faculty.umb.edu/lawrence_blum/courses/290h_09/readings/klee_pushed_to_their_psychological_limits.pdf

Himmler visits Minsk

https://www.holocausthistoricalsociety.org.uk/contents/einsatzgruppen/himmlervisitsminsk.html

Allied forces knew about Holocaust two years before discovery of concentration camps

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/holocaust-allied-forces-knew-before-concentration-camp-discovery-us-uk-soviets-secret-documents-a7688036.html

Ask Project YouTube channel

https://www.youtube.com/@CoreyGilShusterAskProject

In this episode Matthew chats with Stephen from Ravel podcast. Stephen admitted on a recent episode that he no longer considered himself Christian, so naturally we wanted to have a conversation with him. As it turns out, we had a fabulous one. we hope you enjoy it as much as we did.

Ravel Podcast

https://www.instagram.com/ravelpod/

https://www.owltail.com/podcast/1AdkF-Ravel/episodes

Beer Christianity

https://www.beerchristianity.co.uk/

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This episode of Still Unbelievable is a replay of a conversation that Andrew and I had with Philip Goff and Brian Blaise. The original conversation is Episode 3 of the Proscenium podcast, if you have not already listened to that, then this episode is a conversation where we invited philosopher Philip Goff to discuss Panpsychism and his book Galileo's Error, which I recommend.

We invited Brian Blaise to join the conversation because we though that Philip and Brian would have a conversation worth listening to. I think you'll find we made a good call.

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Brian's response to Philip's 'black and white Mary' thought experience can be read here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2crwv2jcv0b33hr/Response%20to%20Goff%20on%20Black%20and%20White%20Mary.pdf?dl=0

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In this Episode of Still Unbelivceable! Andrew and Matthew chat with Christian listener, William Gretton, who contacted us proposing a conversation. As a result we had a genuinely enjoyable discussion. Of course we didn't agree on everything. But we did agree with grace and William showed us that it is possible to have these conversations and to part with a respect and liking for our fellow humans. May we all have more of these.

Matthew's music video appearance: Green Brick Pub

https://youtu.be/FO7acv-4abw

William's book: No Deals Mr President

https://amzn.eu/d/as9XEua

William's Granddaughter is also an author (and a former Olympic Swimmer).

To read Ellie's book, follow this link.

https://amzn.eu/d/0nyUb7s

Matthew on the Unbelievable? podcast with Mike D'Virgilio

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/uninvented-are-the-stories-of-jesus-too-unusual-to/id267142101?i=1000597920064

https://youtu.be/foThkxnpHFY

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Episode 100 - One hundred episodes of hate.

To celebrate Still Unbelievable! reaching 100 episodes over four years, Andrew and Matthew invite Clint and Darren to chat about why they do what they do and to address the very specific accusation that they hate Christians.

The BITE model of control

https://www.alittlebithuman.com/the-bite-model-of-cult-mind-control-explained/

Clint's Mindshift Podcast

https://mindshiftpodcast.co.uk/

I was a Teenage Fundamentalist Podcast

https://www.iwasateenagefundamentalist.com/podcast/

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in this episode of Still Unbelievable Matthew is joined by David from Skeptics and Seekers to interview Heather Wells, author of the book Trustworthy, a Journey from American Christianity to Freedom. Heather writes powerfully about her life experience and that comes across as David and I describe our reactions to her book. Heather has also been interviewed by David, the Graceful Atheist, see the show notes for a link to that episode and for other links to resources helpful to the those journeying away from Christianity.

Buy the book here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trustworthy-Journey-American-Christianity-Freedom-ebook/dp/B0BD18FZ12

https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebook/trustworthy-a-journey-from-american-christianity-to-freedom

https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1319756

Heather on the Graceful Atheist podcast:

https://gracefulatheist.com/2022/11/06/heather-wells-trustworthy/

Recovering From Religion

https://www.recoveringfromreligion.org/

Journey Free

https://www.journeyfree.org/

Janice Selbie

https://twitter.com/Wise_counsellor

https://www.religioustraumaconference.org/

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Bart Ehrman

https://www.bartehrman.com/

Armageddon on Amazon

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=bart+ehrman+armageddon&adgrpid=1184175078655947&hvadid=74011170480282&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=69110&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvtargid=kwd-74011193619739%3Aloc-188&hydadcr=11904_2290925&tag=mh0a9-21&ref=pd_sl_215yrdn1k9_e

Olivet Discourse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivet_Discourse

Preterism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism

Bart Ehrman on the Graceful Atheist podcast

https://gracefulatheist.com/2023/04/09/bart-d-ehrman-armageddon/

Bart Ehrman on I was a Teenage Fundamentalist

https://iwasateenagefundamentalist.podbean.com/e/074-armageddon-isn-t-coming-with-bart-ehrman/

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In this episode Andrew and Matthew are joined by David and Michael, two of our fellow authors from Still Unbelievable! the book. We spent 3 hours going through the listener comments from my appearance on Unbelievable? where I conversed with Mike D'Virgilio about his book, Uninvented. This episode goes very long, and we have a good time picking apart the variety of comments, there is laughter and there is frustration. Various resources are mentioned and as always, the links are in the show notes.

Matthew on Unbelievable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foThkxnpHFY&t=4117s

Unbelievable? podcasts

https://www.premierchristianity.com/podcasts/unbelievable

Matthew talking Miracles with David on Skeptics and Seekers

https://skepticsandseekers.squarespace.com/blog-1/4s-s2e3-miracles

https://skepticsandseekers.squarespace.com/

Read Still Unbelievable! for free

https://www.reasonpress.net/SU1E/Introduction

Israel Finkelstein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Finkelstein

Rank–Raglan mythotype

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rank%E2%80%93Raglan_mythotype

What Happened In A.D. 70? The Destruction of Jerusalem

https://www.amazon.com/What-Happened-D-Destruction-Jerusalem/dp/193284404X

Matthew Talking about Miracles on Skeptics and Seekers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiLK1Oi_TCw

Derren Brown on Unbelievable?

https://www.podbean.com/pu/pbblog-zdf8x-153b78

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-4ew3m-63245d

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-dihn7-63245e

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In this Episode, Matthew makes reference to an incident where he misquotes Jonathan. The original YoutTube conversation is at this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdcd3lTmv9c&t=1s

The Still Unbelievable! episode of the audio is available at:

https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/WJi4zgDaezb

The segment where I misquoted Jonathan is in my intro where I make reference to millions of years for a specific mutation to arise. The Audio from Jonathan that is being referenced is at 49m though 53m. I think what I did was during my research following the episode I mixed up the ape and the whale examples that Jonathan references and that mental mixup resulted in an innacurate representation. As stated in this episode, Jonathan was very gracious in his response to me on that.

Alpha video 2: Who is Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtTnSMNtE44

New Testament manuscripts compared with those of other ancient texts

https://truthfaithandreason.com/case-making-101-how-does-the-bible-compare-to-other-ancient-documents/

https://carm.org/about-the-bible/manuscript-evidence-for-superior-new-testament-reliability/

https://reformedwiki.com/bible-ancient-texts-voddie

Myths and Mistakes in New Testament Textual Criticism

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Myths-Mistakes-Testament-Textual-Criticism/dp/0830852573

F. F. Bruce

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._F._Bruce

300 Prophesies fulfilled by Jesus

https://www.clintbyars.com/blog/2020/7/20/jesus-fulfilled-over-300-prophecies#:~:text=365%20Prophecies%20Fulfilled%20by%20Jesus%20%20%20,%20%203%3A36%20%2024%20more%20rows%20

Timothy McGrew on the Arguments from Silence (I could not find a free to read version)

https://philpapers.org/rec/MCGTAF-2

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271972928_The_Argument_from_Silence

Expulsion of Jews from Rome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius%27_expulsion_of_Jews_from_Rome

Christian Evidence Society

https://christianevidence.org/

Still Unbelievable episodes 73 and 74 on The Christian Evidence Society sessions

https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/66k5ars3Czb

https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/YO8gmqs3Czb

Bishop of Durham, David Jenkins Controversy

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/06/david-jenkins-bishop-durham-biblical-facts-fire-york-minster

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Episode 95 Ridiculous Reasons to Believe

In this short episode Matthew will be picking apart a video from Reasons to Believe that William Lane Craig posted on his twitter timeline in March 2023.

The sequence is titled, Did Jesus rise from the dead? Part 1, the facts. See link 1 for the full 6.5 minute video and the additional follow on videos. There is a very simple objection to any claim about Jesus rising from the dead, and that is, all claims start from the assumption that the gospel accounts are truthfully reporting events that actually happened. We don't know this, and we can't know this, which is why starting from this position and then using this unsupportable starting point to argue for the literal resurrection of Jesus is unreasonable.

1) https://www.reasonablefaith.org/did-jesus-rise-from-the-dead

2) https://www.history.com/news/resurrection-stories-ancient-cultures

3) https://listverse.com/2013/03/30/10-resurrected-religious-figures/

4) https://www.britannica.com/topic/textual-criticism

5) https://overviewbible.com/how-did-the-apostles-die/

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In this episode of Still Unbelievable!, Andrew and Matthew give a brief update on what's going in their lives outside of Still Unbelievable! and then give thoughts on Matthew's appearance on the Unbelievable? podcast and some shows with Christians that have they've recently recorded.

As always, please see the show notes for items that are discussed.

Brian Blais

https://bblais.github.io/

Mike D'Virgilio

https://mikedvirgilio.com/

Jonathan McLatchie

https://jonathanmclatchie.com/

Matthew's Conversation with Mike D'Virgilio

https://www.stitcher.com/show/unbelievable/episode/uninvented-are-the-stories-of-jesus-too-unusual-to-have-been-made-up-mike-dvirgilio-vs-matthew-taylor-211507478

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Mike D'Virgilio

https://mikedvirgilio.com/

Matthew and Mike on Unbelievable?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foThkxnpHFY&t=4117s

Unbelievable? podcasts

https://www.premierchristianity.com/podcasts/unbelievable

The Robe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Robe

Jesus of Nazareth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_of_Nazareth_(TV_series)

Blog post listing 50 Separate Extrabiblical Verifications of Luke’s Historical Accuracy

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2022/02/evangelist-luke-archaeology-history.html

Suetonius on Crossing the Rubicon

https://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Latin/Suetonius1.php#anchor_Toc276121854

Book One: XXXII The Die is Cast

As he stood there, undecided, he received a sign. A being of marvellous stature and beauty appeared suddenly, seated nearby, and playing on a reed pipe. A knot of shepherds gathered to listen, but when a crowd of his soldiers, including some of the trumpeters, broke ranks to join them, the apparition snatched a trumpet from one of them, ran to the river, and sounding the call to arms blew a thunderous blast, and crossed to the far side. At this, Caesar exclaimed: ‘Let us follow the summons, of the gods’ sign and our enemy’s injustice. The die is cast.’

skydivephil on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/user/skydivephil

Our conversation with Sky Dive Phil

https://spotifyanchor-web.app.link/e/8v6CsH2Bczb https://www.stitcher.com/show/ask-an-atheist-anything-2/episode/episode-11-talking-cosmology-with-skydivephil-77966367

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Andrew and Matthew and joined by Phil Halper, who own the YouTube channel skydivephil where he posts excellent videos on cosmology.

Phil also wrote two chapters of our book Still Unbelievable! and has appeared on other podcasts, including Unbelievable?

Before the big bang playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_pILPr7B8&list=PLJ4zAUPI-qqqj2D8eSk7yoa4hnojoCR4m

Cosmology playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ4zAUPI-qqrC4ce700XI8JjeeC3l70NZ

QLC video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgwJmWXoWWI

Black Holes and Dark Matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFJtDLR4bTo

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