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Still Unbelievable!

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Welcome to Still Unbelievable!, where we examine Christianity. Sometimes we will discuss an episode of the Unbelievable? podcast, sometimes we will test how well Christian arguments stand up because, as sceptics, we think that all beliefs should be challenged.
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Episode 31 - Why Christians Become Atheist

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Episode 35 - Alpha Analysis part 3
Darren rejoins Andrew and Matthew for part three of our Alpha analysis series. In this episode we assess weeks 5, 6 and 7 and the Alpha course, discussing the video content and the group experiences. To contact us, email: The Alpha videos for weeks 5, 6 and 7 can be found here: Our theme music is by Holly:
September 9, 2020
Episode 34 - History, Miracles and Beliefs with Daniel the Bible Nerd
The colour difference test that Mathew mentions is here: Daniel's YouTube Channel: Contact us at Our theme music is by Holly:
August 21, 2020
Episode 33 - Talking God and Buddha with Chris Matheson
Andrew and Matthew are joined by Chris Matheson to discuss his latest book, The Buddah's Story and upcoming film Bill and Ted face the music. We also talk about his previous book, The Story of God. Links to Chris's books and the mentioned YouTube videos are below. The Story of God: The Buddha's Story: Satan's Story: God's Art Museum: The Garden of Earthly Delights: Our theme music is by Holly: Send any and all feedback to
August 12, 2020
Episode 32 - Alpha Analysis part 2
Tony and Darren join Andrew and Matthew for part 2 of our Alpha Analysis series. In this episode we examine weeks 3 and 4, where we discuss forgiveness, the definition of faith and more. The Alpha videos for weeks 3 and 4 can be found here: Our theme music is by Holly:
July 15, 2020
Episode 31 - Why Christians Become Atheist
Joel Furches joins Andrew and Matthew to discuss his research on why Christians become atheist. Joel's document that is discussed during the episode is available here: A link in that document directs to this study: The Perez Valerie research that Joel mentioned during the episode is available here: The Switching Sides facebook group run by Joel can be found here: Joel's personal website is: Our theme music is by Holly:
July 5, 2020
Episode 30 - God as Frankenstein
In this short monologue, Matthew gives an overview of the story of Frankenstein and asks the question, "who is the villain?". Are there any parallels that can be drawn between Frankenstein and the Christian God? Our theme music is by Holly:
June 28, 2020
Episode 29 - Alpha Analysis part 1
Darren joins Andrew and Matthew for the first in our series of episodes covering the Alpha course.  In this episode we cover the format of Alpha, the demographic of the groups that Andrew and Matthew are in, how that matches claims that in this period of lock down more people are turning to Christianity. Does Alpha make its founding church money? We also cover the first two Alpha videos, what the group discussion was like, what evidence in support of Christianity is presented and what arguments are given. The first two Alpha videos can be found here: Our theme music is by Holly:
June 16, 2020
Episode 28 - Jonathan and Brian in conversation
Matthew hosts a conversation between returning guests Brian Blais and Jonathan McLatchie to further the conversation on why Jonathan is confident that the resurrection of Jesus can be accepted as an historical event. The conversation goes beyond that and touches on the question of should we be accepting of personal testimony for strange single occurrence events as well as a bit of biology. See below for links to items by Brian and Jonathan, as well as the two peer reviewed accounts of recovery following prayer that Jonathan mentions. Peer Reviewed studies mentioned by Jonathan: and Jonathan's six part series responding to Richard Carrier on the ur-source theory explanation of undesigned coincidences. Part 1: Part 2: Part 3: Part 4: Part 5: Part 6: Brian has written on the subject of faith and probability, in the “Measure of Faith” available here: Other articles by Brian on the subject of faith and miracles: Our theme music is by Holly:
May 29, 2020
Episode 27 - 'Fireside Chat' with Sam and David on questioning faith
Matthew and Andrew and joined by Sam and David who find themselves questioning their faith and are planning to podcast about their journey. Listen to hear more about what it takes for Christians to question the foundation of their faith, why they find themselves in that situation and the positives that they take out from the situation. This is an honest dialogue with no ulterior motives. For more on their story visit the blog When Belief Dies,, and look out for the podcast. Our theme music is by Holly:
May 19, 2020
Episode 26 - When Apologists talk COVID-19 and suffering
In this solo episode Matthew reviews the conversations that Justin Brierley had with William Lane Craig, John Lennox and Becky Pippert discussing COVID-19, suffering and how the Christian God fits into this time of high uncertainty. Our theme music is by Holly:
May 6, 2020
Episode 25 - Jonathan McLatchie on why the Resurrection is true
Following his appearance on Unbelievable? with friend of the show David from the Skeptics and Seekers podcast, Jonathan McLatchie joins Andrew and Matthew to explain why he accepts the resurrection of Jesus as fact and to expand a bit on his usage of Bayes and his Cumulative approach to evidence. Jonathan can be found at: Our theme music is by Holly:
May 1, 2020
Episode 24 - Parenting out of Faith
Matthew is joined by returning guest Dr Clint Heacock and first time guests Kayla and Bethany to talk parenting through deconstruction. What changes when a parent leaves faith? What challenges do they face? and what do they do better? Growing up Godless: The Deconstructing Parent: Deconstructed Parenting:
April 16, 2020
Episode 23 - A believer questions Matthew
In this episode, Matthew is joined by Teddi, who has some questions after his appearance on Skeptics and Seekers talking about why people leave Christianity. Listen to Skeptics and Seekers here: Our theme music is by Holly:
March 22, 2020
Episode 22 - What happens when people leave the church - with Dr Clint Heacock
Andrew and Matthew are joined by Dr Clint Heacock from the Mindshift podcast to talk about an article he wrote listing many reasons why people leave the Church. This is part of a series of podcasts and episodes we are involved in on why people leave Christianity. Clint's article can be found here: More about Clint Here: Find Holly's music here:
March 15, 2020
Episode 21 - Chatting with Steve Chalke
REV Steve Chalke MBE is founder of the Oasis Trust. He joins Andrew and Matthew to talk about his life and goals, what motivates him and what it means for him to be a Christian. Steve's compassion comes across very strongly in this conversation. To learn more about Oasis and Steve's latest book, The Lost Message of Paul, visit these links. , Our theme music is by
February 2, 2020
Special Announcement from Andrew and Matthew
In this episode, Andrew and Matthew announce their new podcast project and what that means for this podcast and for ReasonPress. Please join us at Proscenium and also let us have feedback on our plans and what you think.
December 7, 2019
Episode 20: Does Evolution fit with the Genesis Creation Account
Andrew and Matthew and joined by friend of the podcast, Dave The Graceful Atheist, to talk about a recent episode of Unbelievable? We talk about evolution, genesis, consciousness, intelligence, Humans and Neanderthals, apologetic arguments, theodicy and Mac vs Windows. 
November 3, 2019
Episode 19: YEC is not only wrong, it's dangerous
This episode contains swearing and laughing! Andrew and Matthew are joined by Keith, to discuss Ken Ham's appearance on the Unbelievable? podcast on September 21st 2019. We are all former YECs and we disagree with Ken Ham on many things, especially when it comes to what science says and why it is more reliable and trustworthy than the bible and that YECism is what is driving people away from the church and that it should be robustly attacked by everyone, especially other Christians. For more on the Bicameral Mind see
September 29, 2019
Episode 18: Religious Fictionalism: Does It Help Christianity
Professor Philip Goff joins Matthew and Andrew to discuss his approach to Christianity -- Religious Fictionalism. Along with an early discussion about the nature of reality, Matthew and Andrew talk with Philip about whether one needs to adopt Christianity as true to benefit from its teachings. Philip makes a compelling case for accepting the good in religion through understanding its metaphors, symbols, and social constructs, without needing to adopt as fact every claim of religion. For Dr. Goffs work: Preorder his new book: Galileo's Error: Foundations for a New Science of Consciousness Visit his website at: Visit his blog at: Conscience and Consciousness Connect on Twitter: @philip_goff And for the article mentioned in the show: Religion But Not As We know It To contact the Still Unbelievable: Or: Click here to leave a voice message
September 11, 2019
Episode 17: Dave Warnock - Dying Out Loud
Andrew and Matthew chat with Dave Warnock about valuing the life we live as atheists and how it compares to how Christianity values life. Dave is facing a terminal diagnosis and during this conversation we all have a laugh, and a cry. Dave has appeared on multiple podcasts on his Dying Out Loud tour. Including a separate conversation with Matthew at Ask An Atheist Anything. Join us for some irreverence, some frank talk, some laughter, and yes, there were tears too! We also want to pass on huge thanks to Marie, for arranging our conversations, if you need an organiser, Marie can help you, here details are here:  Marie D'Elephant, Virtual Assistant (life coach page which includes limited information about my virtual assistant work) (This episode has an explicit tag, because from the very start there is swearing and sharp criticism of Christianity) As always, feedback welcome in all the usual places.
August 5, 2019
Episode 16: The Still Unbelievable! Poem
At a recent Unbelievable? conference, Glen Scrivener recited a poem he wrote depicting a fictional conversation with a young atheist. The Unbelievable! Poem is a poem is written in a similar style depicting a fictional online conversation with a Christian. Glen's poem can be read here: 
July 14, 2019
Episode 15: Should Christians rethink disability and healing
Recently BBC assistant producer Damon Rosehas created a dust up around Christians asking to heal the disabled. Damon is blind himself and knows a bit about the subject having attended a school for the blind as a youth. To explore Christian disability doctrine and his own views as an atheist, he has written articles and produced a documentary. His work prompted Justin Brierley to invite him to Unbelievable? for a conversation with two disabled Christians -- Zoe Heming and Ian Paul. In this episode Andrew and David, disabled themselves, go over the problems with disability doctrine and healing. What does it mean when a Christian offers to heal you and it fails? Does the disabled community want to be bothered? Have Christians failed in their obligation to think critically about disability doctrine? Is disability doctrine god's silver bullet? We invite you to press play, follow along, and decide for yourself. For Damon's documentary: For the Unbelievable/ episode: Want to get involved. Send us a voice message:
July 1, 2019
Episode 14: Talking with Tom from HIPS Podcast
In this episode, Andrew and Matthew talk with Tom from the Hiding in Plain Sight podcast. They talk about Tom's experience of visiting churches, why he's still atheist, the benefits of Christianity to a community, how fair Justin Brierley is, what Tom plans for series 2 and much more. Come and join for for a fascinating discussion. Listen to Tom's Hidding in Plain Sight podcast or to contact him, go here:  To leave us a voice message, go here:
June 11, 2019
Episode 13: Why Christian Apologetics is Faulty Science and Faulty History
In this episode physics professor Brian Blais joins Andrew and Matthew to discuss The Fine Tuning Argument, The Second Law of Thermodynamics, contingency, evidence for the Christian claim of a historical resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, and other  topics found in Justin Brierley's book Unbelievable?: Why After Ten Years of Talking With Atheists, I'm Still a Christian. As you listen, you can decide for yourself whether Christian Apologetics draws appropriate conclusions from the best science of today. And, you will also have a meaningful guide if you read Justin's book. Dr. Blais has a Ph. D. In physics that emphasized computational neuroscience and was the recipient of a three year NSF research grant to study computational neuroscience and the recipient of the Biomedical Research Infrastructure Network (BRIN) grant. He is an active member of many professional organizations including The Geochemical Society and The American Statistical Association. He teaches undergraduate physics at Bryant University and is a research professor at The Institute for Brain and Neural Systems at Brown University. Brian has written extensively on Bayesian Probability  and is currently writing a book about Bayesian Analysis that is geared toward readers with a less mathematical background but nevertheless have interest in understanding probability. He also listens to and regularly blogs concerning topics covered on Unbelievable?. To read more from Professor Blais, including the topics discussed in this episode, visit his blog: For Justin Brierley's book visit: At the end of the show, we promised a link to The Shawn Carroll William Lane Craig debate. Visit this YouTube page to watch their debate:
May 18, 2019
How Should The Church Respond to Transgender
Christian churches have a variety of views on the LGBTQI+ community, and recently, there have been some high profile examples of christian denominations taking controversial and harmful stances. In this episode, Andrew and Matthew are joined by Jane to discuss where the Christians are going wrong and how to better engage with every person as an individual worthy of equal treatment.
April 6, 2019
Are You in a Cult? We Were
David, Sarah, and Andrew talk about what it means to be in a cult, and their own experiences in one.
March 29, 2019
Tongues, Prophecy, and Knowledge
Are the gifts of the spirit for today? Let's find out.
March 6, 2019
Episode 10: Logos Mind and Making Sense of the World
In this episode Andrew is joined by Doug Hoxworth. Doug is a Mechanical Engineer with a second degree in theology, and he maintains a life long interest in philosophy. After years of Christianity, Doug is now an atheist, and he takes us on a journey through the presocratics, Socrates, Plato, Plotinus, and other philosophers to disambiguate the conversation between Raymond Tallis and David Bentley Hart. What role did the presocratics, Socrates, and Plato have in forming first century Christian thought? What is the origin of the word logos, and how does that origin change our understanding of John 1? What are platonic forms? Was Plato a dualist? Should we trust Plato's philosophy over empiricism? Does logos help us understand mind and the world around us? Just press play and listen to the exploration. For the original debate: To get in touch email us at:
February 27, 2019
Episode 9: Atkins v. Lennox Part 2
In this episode Andrew is joined by Chris Bradley to discuss whether John Lennox is honest with his Christian listeners about the nature of science and the provability of scripture. Is John Lennox knowingly and openly dishonest with his supporters, or is it true that science cannot explain everything about our existence? Is scripture a complementary explanation that stands hand-in-hand with the science to provide a complete picture, or is scripture simple special pleading that obfuscates our understanding? What does the word "nothing" mean in the context of physics and creation? Join Andrew and university trained Electrical Engineer Chris Bradley to find out. For the original debate between Atkins and Lennox:
February 19, 2019
Episode 8: Bart Campolo
Bart puts on his therapist hat. And we all benefit. 
February 11, 2019
Episode 7: Natalie Collins
Natalie defends her egalitarian position.
February 10, 2019
Episode 6: Can Science Explain Everything
Original discussion from Unbelievable
February 5, 2019
Episode 5: Sean and Bart
Latest episode of Still Unbelievable
January 28, 2019
Episode 3: Gender
Latest episode of Still Unbelievable
January 8, 2019
Episode 2: Statement of Fundie Faith
David, Andrew, Matt, and Sarah address the statement of faith that is causing so much controversy in the church. Enjoy.
December 15, 2018
Episode 1: How should gay Christians express their sexuality?
The very first episode of Still Unbelievable!
November 29, 2018