
TandTeaching - The Educational Podcast
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On TandTeaching Mike and Arthur speak with a range of people from across the world of education including teachers, middle and senior leaders, headteachers, educational consultants, authors, entrepreneurs and many more.


Oracy in your classroom - with Yamina Bibi PART THREE
"Reflect on who spoke and who didn't."
"It's about helping them build those skills."
"Build on the things that you already know."
In this episode of TandTeaching, hosts Arthur Moore and Mike Harrowell, along with guest Yamina Bibi, delve into the importance of oracy in education. They discuss practical strategies for implementing oracy in the classroom, including planning for discussions, engaging students during lessons, and reflecting on the effectiveness of oracy practices post-lesson. The conversation emphasizes the need for explicit teaching of discussion habits, the role of vocabulary in enhancing communication, and the importance of giving every student a voice in discussions. The episode concludes with actionable tips for teachers to immediately apply in their classrooms.
Oracy, Education, Classroom Strategies, Teaching Tips, Student Engagement, Discussion Techniques, Reflective Practice, Vocabulary Development, Teaching Methods, Professional Development

The Role of Oracy in Schools - with Yamina Bibi : Part Two
"Oracy is not the outcome, oracy is the vehicle."
"The stories we tell are key to building buy-in."
"Values are lived, not laminated."
In this episode, the hosts discuss the importance of oracy in education, focusing on how to implement a whole school approach to teaching communication skills. They explore the challenges faced by educators, the role of leadership in promoting oracy, and the significance of storytelling in building buy-in from staff and students. The conversation emphasizes the need for a collaborative effort across departments to create a culture of effective communication in schools.
Empowering Students Through Oracy
Keywords:
oracy, education, teaching, school leadership, communication skills, vocabulary, dialogic teaching, student engagement, literacy, classroom strategies

The Power of Oracy with Yamina Bibi - PART ONE
"Oracy creates good literacy."
"We need to value oracy in education."
"Without oracy, nothing else will work."
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Guest - Yamina Bibi
A Little Guide for Teachers: Thriving in Your First Years of Teaching - https://amzn.to/3ETQ34c
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Summary
In this episode of TandTeaching, hosts Arthur Moore and Mike Harrowell discuss the concept of oracy in education with guest Yamina Bibi. They explore the historical context of oracy, its significance in the classroom, and its role across various subjects. The conversation emphasizes the importance of teaching both speaking and listening skills, the impact of assessment changes on oracy, and the need for a whole-school approach to effectively integrate oracy into the curriculum.

TandTeaching Live from Inner Drive and CIRL's T&L Summit at Eton 2025
"AI is a tool, not the tool."
"Attention is like currency."
"Cramming is a good way to remember more."
"Good teaching is SEND teaching."
"Our values are lived, not laminated."
"We should adapt to different contexts."
"We can't just take something off the shelf."
"We need to codify our culture."
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This episode of TandTeaching captures the essence of the Inner Drive Teaching Learning Summit, featuring insightful discussions on AI in education, metacognition, and the importance of relationships in teaching.
The hosts, Arthur and Mike, reflect on keynotes and sessions, sharing takeaways from various speakers, including strategies for engaging students, creating inclusive classrooms, and fostering a positive school culture. The conversation emphasizes the need for continuous professional development and adapting teaching methods to meet diverse needs.

Learning and Performance with Amarbeer Singh Gill : Part Three
"Lowering or impairing that short-term performance will actually lead to better learning."
"Struggle to start the lesson. We repeat it at the end."
"There's nothing wrong with reusing those same questions."
In this episode, Singh shares three guiding principles for focusing on learning rather than performance in the classroom. The first principle is understanding that there will always be a difference between what is taught and what is learned. The second principle is that learning is invisible, and measuring short-term performance helps lay the foundations for long-term learning. The third principle is that intentionally impairing short-term performance can lead to better learning. Singh also discusses techniques such as retrieval practice and distributed practice that can support student learning.
Takeaways
There is a difference between what is taught and what is learned, so teachers should not assume that just because they have taught something, students have learned it.
Measuring short-term performance can help lay the foundations for long-term learning.
Intentionally impairing short-term performance can lead to better learning outcomes.
Techniques such as retrieval practice and distributed practice can support student learning.
Keywords
learning, performance, classroom, teaching, principles, retrieval practice, distributed practice

Performance and Learning with Amarbeer Singh Gill - Part Two
"It's better to dig a deep learning pit and keep students in there for a sustained period of time than digging shallow ones and getting them out of it quickly."
"Learning is hard, but it has to be accessible."
"It's really challenging to measure learning and progress. We can't accurately replicate performance every single time."
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To learn more about the Inner Drive Teacher Academy just email
tandt@innerdrive.co.uk
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In this episode, Mike, Arthur and Guest Singh discuss the concept of learning versus performance in schools. They explore the challenges of measuring learning, the importance of creating a learning culture, and the need for accessible challenges. They also discuss the role of school leadership in promoting learning and the difficulties of assessing progress. The conversation highlights the need for a shared understanding of learning and performance and the importance of planning and sequencing curriculum to support deep learning.
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To learn more about the Inner Drive Teacher Academy just email
tandt@innerdrive.co.uk
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learning, performance, schools, education, curriculum, teaching, challenges, culture, assessment, progress

Learning and Performance with Amarbeer Singh Gill - Part One
"Why are we bad at learning stuff?"
"We can't see learning. Like I can't open up your head and see whether you've learned fractions or like how to shoot a basketball properly or know how a particular art technique."
"When does something become truly learned? Can you hold onto a piece of information for eternity without using it on a regular basis?"
In this episode, Singh discusses the difference between learning and performance. He shares his experiences as a teacher and explains how students can struggle to retain information even after successfully performing a task. Singh emphasizes the importance of revisiting information over time to ensure long-term learning. The conversation also touches on the challenges of assessing learning versus performance and the idea of when something can be considered truly learned. The hosts and Singh discuss the implications of these concepts for teachers and the need to prioritize learning over simply teaching to perform.

Processing Times with Dr Pippa Busch - Part Three
"Fundamentally good teaching is one of the best things to help any student with any kind of diverse need."
"It's all about getting to know the kids and your professional judgment on that and backing yourself as well."
Arthur and Mike continue their discussion on processing times in education, focusing on neurodiverse students. They are joined by Dr. Pippa Busch, who provides insights and strategies for supporting neurodiverse students in the classroom. They discuss the concept of neurodiversity and the various conditions that fall under it, such as autism, ADHD, dyslexia, and more. They emphasize the importance of individualized support and the need for teachers to build strong relationships with their students. Strategies discussed include allowing more time, front-loading, scaffolding, and celebrating successes.

Processing Time with Pippa Busch - Part Two
"We create the culture in our classrooms."
"Routines reduce cognitive overload."
"Embrace the silence for thinking time."
In this episode of TandTeaching, hosts Arthur Moore and Mike Harrowell, along with Dr. Pippa Busch, delve into the significance of processing time in education.
They discuss strategies for creating a safe learning environment, the importance of wait time, and how to frame questions effectively to enhance student engagement. The conversation also touches on the variability of processing speed among students and the necessity of normalizing mistakes in the classroom to foster a culture of learning. The episode provides practical tips for teachers to implement these concepts in their classrooms, ultimately aiming to improve student outcomes and create a supportive educational atmosphere.

Processing Times with Dr Pippa Busch - Part One
"I break processing into three different areas with their input, the processing and the output."
Dr. Pippa Busch, a child and educational psychologist, discusses the concept of processing time in education. She breaks down the process into three stages: input, processing, and output.
The input stage involves sensory organs converting stimuli into neural signals.
The processing stage involves working memory and long-term memory, as well as decision-making and planning responses.
The output stage is the response to the information received. Dr. Busch emphasizes that processing time varies for each individual and is influenced by factors such as experience, genetics, stress levels, and sleep. She also highlights the importance of creating a safe space for learning and normalizing mistakes in the classroom.

Rosenshine's Principles with Claire Grimes : Part Three

Rosenshine's Principles with Claire Grimes : Part Two

Rosenshine's Principles with Claire Grimes : Part One

Should I look elsewhere. . . with Sharon Cawley
A tough but important episode for us to record.
We speak with Sharon Cawley, former teacher and now CEO of Conexus Tuition Franchise and also the founder of the hugely popular Facebook Group
"Life After Teaching - Exit the Classroom and Thrive"
which has over 160k members.
We chat about our experiences, why people are looking to leave, how we can keep them, and if they do what to leave what they can do next!
A interesting chat as always on TandTeaching

Resilience - TandTeaching chats with Sean Sherwood

Mike and Arthur discuss a TEAchable Moment from Jo Blackman
The latest in our series where we chat about a teaching tip sent to us!

Mike and Arthur discuss a TEAchable Moment from Nikki Sullivan
The latest in our series where we chat about a teaching tip sent to us!

Leading Maths : TandTeaching chats with Peter Mattock
Today on TandTeaching we chat with Peter Mattock about . . . MATHS!
Peter Mattock has been teaching maths since 2006 and is a specialist leader of education (SLE) and an accredited Secondary maths professional development lead who regularly presents at conferences across the country.
Peter is also part of the first cohort of the National Centre for Excellence in the Teaching of Mathematics’ (NCETM) secondary mastery specialists, developing teaching for mastery in the secondary school classroom. Peter is based in Leicestershire, in the UK.
Peter’s Books are:
Leading Maths: https://amzn.to/4bWZU4K
Conceptual Maths: https://amzn.to/4dZyf4U
Visible Maths : https://amzn.to/4e2f8qY

National 'Thank a Teacher Day' & The Teaching Award 2024
National Thank a Teacher Day is coming up on the 19th of June In today's episode, we chat with CEO of 'The National Teaching Awards' Mary Palmer and Award Winning Head Teacher Ben Levinson OBE
What is 'Thank a Teacher Day'? This is the day when the whole of the UK is encouraged to come together in celebration of all the hard-working staff working in education across the UK.
Via the 'Thank a Teacher' campaign you can send a free personalised thank you e-card to all teaching and support staff working in UK early years, schools, and colleges. There are lots of ways to get involved on the day, just go to the website www.thankateacher.co.uk for more information. Thank A Teacher website Thank A Teacher Facebook Thank A Teacher Twitter Thank A Teacher Instagram

Chatting Child Agency with UCL - PART TWO
Part 2
In this episode of TandTeaching Arthur continues his chat with about Child Agency Dominic Wyse and Yana Manyukhina from IOE - UCL's Faculty of Education and Society.
- What great practise did Dom and Yana see during their study?
- What can teachers do?
- What can schools do?
Dominic Wyse Dominic is Professor of Early Childhood and Primary Education at the Institute of Education (IOE), University College London (UCL). He is the Founding Director of the Helen Hamlyn Centre for Pedagogy (0-11 years) (HHCP) a research centre with a focus on primary and early years education and was President of the British Educational Research Association (BERA) from 2019 to 2022.
Yana Manyukhina Yana is Senior Researcher at the Helen Hamlyn Centre for Pedagogy 0-11 years (HHCP) with a strong association with Child Agency
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NOTES for further Reading
Blogpost (10 April 2019): What next for curriculum?
https://www.bera.ac.uk/blog/what-next-for-curriculum
Blogpost (14October 2021): Living and learning during a pandemic: what can children tell us?
News story (6December 2021) including the link to the conference keynote talks (June 2021) which were held under the theme: ‘Children’s Agency and the Curriculum’ in collaboration with the Education Learning Trust (ELT) and the Association for the Study of Primary Education (ASPE):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiIYJpyo9fmv_5x6IJWKy3ihqH95Vqz0f
Blogpost (1st March 2021): Children’s agency: What is it, and what should be done?
https://www.bera.ac.uk/blog/childrens-agency-what-is-it-and-what-should-be-done
Animation video about children’s agency (2023):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RF2-VVxpAg
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Chatting Child Agency with UCL - PART ONE
Part 1
In this episode of TandTeaching Arthur chats about Child Agency with Dominic Wyse and Yana Manyukhina from IOE - UCL's Faculty of Education and Society.
- What is Child Agency?
- Is it a new thing?
- Why should we care about it as educators?
- What have Dom and Yana been looking into?
Dominic Wyse Dominic is Professor of Early Childhood and Primary Education at the Institute of Education (IOE), University College London (UCL). He is the Founding Director of the Helen Hamlyn Centre for Pedagogy (0-11 years) (HHCP) a research centre with a focus on primary and early years education and was President of the British Educational Research Association (BERA) from 2019 to 2022.
Yana Manyukhina Yana is Senior Researcher at the Helen Hamlyn Centre for Pedagogy 0-11 years (HHCP) with a strong association with Child Agency
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NOTES for further Reading
Blogpost (10 April 2019): What next for curriculum?
https://www.bera.ac.uk/blog/what-next-for-curriculum
Blogpost (14October 2021): Living and learning during a pandemic: what can children tell us?
News story (6December 2021) including the link to the conference keynote talks (June 2021) which were held under the theme: ‘Children’s Agency and the Curriculum’ in collaboration with the Education Learning Trust (ELT) and the Association for the Study of Primary Education (ASPE):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiIYJpyo9fmv_5x6IJWKy3ihqH95Vqz0f
Blogpost (1st March 2021): Children’s agency: What is it, and what should be done?
https://www.bera.ac.uk/blog/childrens-agency-what-is-it-and-what-should-be-done
Animation video about children’s agency (2023):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RF2-VVxpAg
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TandTeaching chats with...BBC Bitesize

TandTeaching Chats with...Andy Griffith
We speak to Andy Griffith, author of The Working Classroom, about the needs of working class students in education and how we can support them.
You can get 'The Working Classroom' here
https://amzn.to/3U2GKD1
Written by Matt Bromley and Andy Griffith, The Working Classroom: How to make school work for working-class students offers practical strategies and tools to help secondary schools address the needs of working-class students, including by building cultural capital and designing more engaging learning.
Schools do amazing work to support children from disadvantaged backgrounds. But this book will enable them to do more. Disadvantage comes in many forms, but cultural poverty, where some students have relative knowledge gaps compared with their more affluent peers, can be addressed successfully by schools. The Working Classroom explores how working-class students are disadvantaged by a flawed system and what schools can do to close the gap.
And find out more here
https://theworkingclassroom.co.uk/

TandTeaching Chats with . . . BBC's Other Side of The Story with Andrew Swanson

TandTeaching chats with . . . The Schools Consent Project
The Schools Consent Project aims to normalise conversations about consent in order to encourage safe, healthy interactions and reduce the likelihood of young people experiencing - or perpetrating - sexual harm.
For nearly a decade, they have worked in schools across the UK – successfully educating over 40,000 young people through our network of +260 lawyers.
Their lawyer-led workshops explore the legal definition of consent, the age of consent, key sexual offences, online offences & how to check for and communicate consent. The Schools Consent Project want to give young people an ability to identify their boundaries and the boundaries in others, to understand the harms of sexually abusive behaviour, and to feel confident speaking up. Find out more

TandTeaching chats with Konnie Huq and Simon Thomas
This week Arthur chats with former Blue Peter presenters Simon Thomas and Konnie Huq who have rejoined forces for a new content series for Talking Futures, a free online resource that helps parents talk to 11-18 years olds about their future education and career options.
The new series titled ‘Earn Your Badge’ features Konnie and Simon tackling famous tasks such as the creation of Tracey Island whilst sharing guidance and tips on how to have better conversations with teens about careers and education.
Parents and educators can find out more and access free resources, such as the Earn Your Badge content and the new chatbot tool, by visiting:
https://www.talkingfutures.org.uk/
https://www.talkingfutures.org.uk/earn-your-badge/

TandTeaching discusses with..Sam Crome
We listen to a teaching tip from Sam Crome about how to put team learning at the heart of your team meetings. We discuss our experiences of this and how to can be implemented in our every day practice as teachers.

A shout out for World Book Day from BBC TEACH
World Book Day 2024 – Live Lesson
Thursday 7th March 2024, 11:00
Calling all primary schools! BBC Teach will be marking World Book Day with a Live Lesson celebrating reading for pleasure. Hosts Maddie Moate and Joe Tasker will be joined by authors, Alex Falase-Koya, Dr Sheila Kanani and Rosie Jones as well as official World Book Day illustrator, Vivian Truong.
Together, they will be creating a pop-up library to celebrate the books we all love.
live.lessons@bbc.co.uk with World Book Day as the subject for a chance of a live shout-out for your school.
For more information, please visit https://bit.ly/3SlFag6

TandTeaching chats with...Emma Sheppard
We welcome back Emma Sheppard from the MTPT charity to discuss whether teaching can be a sustainable career in the long run.
Check out the MTPT here:
https://www.mtpt.org.uk/
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TandTeaching chats with...Cargo Movement
In this episode we speak to the founders of Cargo Movement, Lawrence Hoo and Charles Golding about how their organisation is bringing stories into classrooms about the contributions and visionary leadership of individuals of African and African Diaspora descent.
Find out more about them here
https://cargomovement.org/

TandTeaching at the Inner Drive and Eton Teaching and Learning Summit 2024
Arthur and Amy from TandTeaching are off to the Inner Drive and Eton Teaching and Learning Summit 2024.
We'll sum up the sessions, give you some key takeaways and speak with the speakers including:
Prof. Sarah-Jayne Blakemore
Bradley Busch
Lucy Crehan
Dr Iro Konstantinou
Doug Lemov
Peps McCrea
Mary Myatt
Jonnie Noakes
Amarbeer Singh Gill
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Recordings will be available at:
https://www.innerdrive.co.uk/teaching-and-learning-summit/recordings/

TandTeaching Discusses with...Sarah Cottinghatt
In this new series we take a TEAchable moment, listen to it live and then discuss how we would implement it in our lessons. In this episode Sarah Cottinghatt shares her tip on how to avoid 'Expert Blindness' and we discuss how this has affected our teaching and how we can avoid the curse of knowledge.

TandTeaching chats with...Peter Hughes

TandTeaching chats with...Steven Rogelberg
We are very excited to speak with Steven Rogelberg, a professor of Organizational Science, Management, and Psychology and the founding Director of Organizational Science at UNC, Charlotte. Steven shares the findings of his research with us and tells us how to lead effective meetings.
“Steven Rogelberg knows more about how to improve meetings than anyone on earth.”- Adam Grant, Ph.D., #1 New York Times bestselling author of THINK AGAIN and HIDDEN POTENTIAL, and host of the TED podcast WorkLife
Steven's latest book, Glad We Met: The Art and Science of 1:1 Meetings is out now and available at https://amzn.to/492umJl

BONUS: TandTeaching chats with...Adoption UK
In this bonus episode we speak to Adoption UK to discuss how we schools can best support children who are care experienced.

TandTeaching chats with...Rachel Ball
We speak to Rachel Ball to find out how we can scaffold effectively for all our students. We find out how it's different from differentiation and Rachel shares some top tips for things we can do in our classrooms tomorrow.

BBC micro:bit
Primary schools have until 18 December to apply for their free set of 30 BBC micro:bits, a pocket-sized computer that allows children to get hands-on with coding and digital making. Schools have started to receive their micro:bits and distribution will continue until the end of February.
To ensure primary school teachers gain the experience and confidence they need to teach using the BBC micro:bit, free teacher training is available both online and in-person.
For more information and to register for your free classroom set of BBC micro:bits, visit www.bbc.co.uk/teach/microbit

TandTeaching chats with... Al Kingsley
We speak to Al Kingsley on the importance of technology in education. We discuss how essential digital learning is and how ready we are as a professional to embrace technology in the classroom.

TandTeaching chats with...Katie Holmes
We speak to Katie Holmes about the tutor time curriculum she has implemented at her school and the impact this has had on student's ability to study independently and revise effectively.


BONUS EPISODE: TandTeaching with Little Troopers
In this episode Arthur speaks to Little Troopers, a charity which supports children with parents serving in the Armed Forces. We find out what challenges these pupils face and how this charity helps them and their families.


TandTeaching with...Adam Bushnell
Adam is author of multiple children's and academic books. We speak to him about his latest offering: '100 Ideas for Daily Reflection'. What can we do with our students to encourage a more mindful approach to education and life? How can we encourage positive routines and avoid distractions from technology? Adam shares his wealth of knowledge and experience with us.



TandTeaching with...Rachael Cattrall & Amy Pollard
Getting homework right! That's the topic we discuss with Rachael and Amy on this episode. Why do we set homework, is it worthwhile and how can we maximise student engagement?
This episode has been supported by 'Qualified Tutor' - a grassroots Professional Membership Organisation for tutors. Find out more here

BONUS: BBC's 500 Words
Write a story you would love to read". BBC's 500 Words is the UK's largest children's story writing competition for 5-11 year-olds. Open from 08:00 Tuesday 26 September - 20:00 Friday 10 November.
Find out everything you need to know here 500 Words, the UK’s most successful children’s writing competition has now opened for submissions and will run till Friday 10 November.
Since the competition was first launched in 2011 by Chris Evans on the Radio 2 Breakfast Show, it has received over one million stories from children throughout the UK.
This year, the two age categories will be 5-7 year-olds and 8-11 year-olds.
Children of all abilities are encouraged to use their creativity and imagination to write a story they would love to read without the pressure of having to worry about spelling, punctuation and grammar.



TandTeaching with...Sara Alston
We discuss with Sara Alston, author of Working Effectively with Your Teaching Assistant, how we can build an effective support team for students. How can teachers and teaching assistants work as one to maximise student learning? We find out!