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The Difference of 13

The Difference of 13

By The Difference of 13
Chris and Teri bring to light what is really under the hood of the healthcare system and wellness in general from their first hand experience and their guests.

In order to win in the healthcare game you need to do it different from the masses...they tell you when and where those times exist.

We know you're busy, have bills to pay and healthcare is crazy expensive. Spend 20-30 minutes with us (listen at 1.5x is you have to!) and we guarantee you will learn a something you can leverage to live happier, healthier and probably with some more cash in your pocket!
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30 - Choosing and Maximizing Your Massage Therapy - ft. Laura Landsiedel

The Difference of 13

37 - Adapting to Life with a Chronic Illness ft. Caleb Stern
Chris and Teri have the behind the scenes creator of the podcast, Caleb Stern, on to discuss what it is like living with anxiety, depression, Autism and Ehlers Danlos.  How have they had to adapt their lives and expectations to be successful in life and happy.
May 29, 2019
36 - Top Post Surgical Mistakes People Make
Teri and Chris discuss the most common mistakes that people make when it comes to their rehab after surgery.  Teri speaks closely from personal experience and Chris speaks to what he sees on the medical provider side of things as well!   Learn how to make a plan that will actually work for you!
May 15, 2019
35 - Finding Motivation in Fitness and Rehab
Teri and Chris discuss a topic that is pretty much not covered to get motivated to complete rehab and to stay fit when it is not your "thing."
May 01, 2019
34 - Talking Nutrition with Kids and Junior Athletes
Director of Performance, Alex Cassella, joins us today to chat about a very important topic - how to broach eating healthy and with kids successfully.  Don't miss this one if you have ever struggled with this incredibly touchy and difficult topic.
April 17, 2019
33 - Telehealth - Does it work and it is the future?
Not feeling so great?  Kids sick?   Chris and Teri talk about when to use the latest technology and the future of medicine vs when to go to the local minute clinic vs when to go to your primary care MD.   As always, discussing not only the cost factor or what to consider, but also the time savings or costs as well as the convenience factor.  You interested in seeing the doctor while still in your bed and in your pajamas?  Teri did it and here what her experience was like!  
April 03, 2019
32 - What Is Direct Primary Care and How It Adds Value to Your Health
Chris and Teri and joined by Dr. Patrick O'Connell from Sentinel Primary Care in Raleigh, NC.  We dive into the business behind medicine, why it is the reason you wait over an hour for 15 minutes with your doctor and what more and more Doctors are doing about it!  Learn about the model that allows you to text with your doctor, get same day appointments and get to spend over 30 minutes with your doctor regularly!  We also discuss how telehealth is being used to limit your visits to the office, how you can get EKG's without any additional cost and overall, how you can be treated based on what you need and not what insurance will pay the doctor! This episode blows the roof off your prior experiences in healthcare!  Reach out to Dr. O'Connell at or call  him at 919-797-0550 Resources:  Find a Primary Cary Doctor Near You:  
March 20, 2019
31 - Self Help Pain Solutions - Are they worth it?
Chris and Teri discuss an important topic of all the self help pain industry and if it is worth your time and money.  Are they a waste of money?  Are they helpful and will they save you money in the long run?  Listen in to find out the answers to all of these questions!   Resources for finding research studies:
March 06, 2019
30 - Choosing and Maximizing Your Massage Therapy - ft. Laura Landsiedel
Choosing a Massage Therapist is like choosing a cracker at the grocery store right?  WRONG!  They are NOT all the same, and in fact, there are HUGE differences in the still emerging field.  Chris and Teri welcome Hands on Health Co-Founder Laura, as she discusses how to choose the right clinic and Therapist for you as well as gives you tips on how to get the most out of your next Massage Therapy Session.  We also dive in to discuss how Massage Therapy can be used as an adjunct to Physical Therapy and in other situations where you wouldn't necessarily think of it.  Don't miss this one!   RESOURCES: Massage Therapist License Lookup -
February 27, 2019
29 - Foam Rolling...does it really work?
Chris and Teri dive into the specifics of if foam rolling is even worth your time, not to mention the pain that often goes with it.  What is it really doing?  Are there different ways to do it that make it more effective? When should you roll vs when should you stretch?  All this and more in this info packed episode! Value Add Videos: (why foam rolling for golf helps) Foam Rolling Exercise Playlist:
February 20, 2019
28 - Keeping it Going When $^&% Hits the Fan
This week we chat about how to keep it going when life isn't going your way.  Chris and Teri both know about unplanned events (open heart surgery and multiple other things) get in the way of your plans and your happiness.  How did they get through it and what are the options out there available to you to explore to help you when you need it?  Listen and find out!
February 13, 2019
27 - Making the Decision to Have Surgery
Teri speaks from her over 10 experiences on this topic and Chris discusses this really hard question from a medical perspective.  Together, they both give you a best practice formula on how to evaluate your specific situation.  They provide a map or pathway that allows you to make sure you exhaust all your options prior to going under the knife...which should always be a last resort!
February 05, 2019
26 - The 5 Worst Exercises for Your Back
Chris and Teri discuss the big 5 exercises that are most often done incorrectly that lead to back pain.  More than likely, you are doing at least one of them and this is your opportunity to fix it before it becomes a problem!  Don't miss out on this one. Videos of Fixes:  OH mobility fix: How to Deadlift correctly: Anti-extension exercise instead of crunches: 
January 30, 2019
25 - Drug Money - How Does Insurance Work With Medications?
Teri talks about her recent $1500 surprise when she went to the pharmacy, what that means for her health, her pocketbook and how you can navigate  a situation like this effectively to stay alive and not broke!  RESOURCES and AlTERNATIVE:, price shop pharmacies, websites, formulary vs non-formulary, generic, patents, coupons  
January 23, 2019
24 - How to Fix Hip Pain - It Can Be A Pain In The @$$
Teri shares her stories about hip pain that eventually required surgery...TWICE!  And Chris explains the process and steps that you need to take if you have hip pain to get it evaluated and treated fast and effectively.  Chris and Teri also touch on how issues in the hip can manifest as pain in other areas of your body, particularly the groin and the low back.   LINKS Check out this video on a simple at home fix for your hip pain:
January 18, 2019
23 - Dr. Eric Westman - Is Keto Safe?
Dr. Eric Westman, one of the top, if not THE top researcher when it comes to the Keto diet and your health joins Teri and Chris this week to discuss how changing what you eat could save your life, your golf game and your performance in the gym!  Learn what the Keto diet really is, the truths and lies about it and what the science says about long term effects on your health.  Diabetes and Obesity may have met their match!  Dr. Westman also discusses his exciting new venture to help America fix its obesity problem with his Heal Clinics likely opening near you soon!  LINKS TO INFO: &  LINK TO INVEST IN HEAL CLINICS: $480 buy in 
January 09, 2019
22 - Top 3 Questions to Ask Your Physical Therapist
Teri and Chris address the top three questions you NEED to be asking your Physical Therapist to assure the quickest recovery and avoid and setbacks!  They discuss this critical topic from both sides of the interaction...the patient and the therapist and tell you what each is thinking and how to manage them both!  This episode is great for Therapists and clients or even loved ones of clients to make sure you and your loved ones are getting the most out of your rehab!   Check out our blog on this topic:
January 04, 2019
21 - Top Causes and Top Fixes of Knee Pain
Knee pain is something that affects a TON of people around the world and most of you don't do anything about it.  Those of you who do, will often waste on average one month trying to get in to see the right provider and will waste on average over $1,000 before even getting to the right person!   Chris and Teri go over the top causes, top fixes and how to know who is the right provider you need to go to right off the bat instead of wasting precious time and money!  Link to DIY Knee Pain Fix Playlist -
December 28, 2018
20 - Copays, Deductibles, Coinsurance...WTF?!
Is it financially smart to use your insurance for Physical Therapy or other medical expenses? If you haven't met your deductible, then probably not! And even if you still might be wasting money. Chris and Teri educate you on the BIG THREE when it comes to understanding your insurance and when it makes sense to use it or not. Co-pays - Co-Insurance - Deductibles. Did you know that when you don't use your insurance the cost is often 50% less!
December 20, 2018
19 - Top Way to Take Care of Your Back Pain Effectively and Efficiently
Chris and Teri take on the #1 injury experienced by Americans - back pain! If you sit at your desk all day or have ever experienced back pain at any point you NEED to watch this! They discuss top causes, top things to avoid, what healthcare provider to see and how to navigate the incredibly confusing healthcare system to get better quicker and for less! Self help Back pain Fix Video: Schedule a discover visit or call so we can help you for FREE link to discovery visit/call
December 12, 2018
18 - Shoulder Pain - Keys to a Quick Recovery
Shoulder pain keeping you down and out of doing what you love? It's annoying! Chris and Teri discuss the keys to getting rid of shoulder pain and give you resources to take care of it yourself. If you can't get rid of it yourself, they discuss the key healthcare professionals that can get you back pain free quick and at a reasonable cost. Shoulder Pain Fix Discovery call:
December 06, 2018
17 - What Your PT was Actually Taught in School ft Bobby Prengle, DPT
Doctor of Physical Therapy, Bobby Prengle, will talk about how what he was taught in school has or has not helped him with what he faces every day in clinic. You will hear different perspectives between the recent PT grad and the not so recent grad (Chris). He will talk about how differently healthcare is practiced in North Carolina vs Texas vs Florida and how clinicians have to “walk differently” with different clients.
November 30, 2018
16 - The Art of Slowing Down ft. Kim Forrester
Teri and Chris have an amazing guest this week from half way across the world! Kim is a leader in her field and has been featured in numerous outlets regarding how to live fully without a full schedule! She highlights her mindful philosophy encouraging people to live in the moment and even gives Chris and Teri some advice on how they can improve themselves! Be sure to check out all of her latest work and keep up to date with where she is in the world on her website: This is one of the best episodes we have had yet! Link to blogs on her page:"
November 21, 2018
15 - Leveraging Employee Health to Grow Your Business
Why is having happy and healthy employees important? How can do accomplish this with a limited budget of a small business? Chris and Teri cover all this and more!
November 15, 2018
14 - Standing vs Sitting at Work...Which is Actually Better?
Teri and Chris discuss the HUGE movement towards standing desks to cure workplace health issues such as back it really all it is cut out to be? Are there risks associated with standing desks that are not present with sitting? What about risks with sitting that are not there with standing? We dig deep in this episode to give you the real scoop!
November 07, 2018
13 - To have a coach or not? That is the question...
This episode is for a request from one of our reviews on iTunes, keep them coming everyone! Teri and Chris have Frank Muntis, a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist and Olympic Weightlifting Champion in Kentucky on to discuss details of when to have a coach vs no coach, details of safe eccentric training, and some funny stories of epic fails in the gym!
October 31, 2018
12 - I Get By With a Little Help From My Spouse
This week, Chris' wife Lauren is on the podcast! No stranger to challenges and dealing with Chris' drama on a daily basis, she shares her insights into being a working mom, staying at home with her kids, the opportunities for stay at home parents abroad as side hustles and so much more! For more on choosing the right healthcare provider: For more on saving on healthcare costs:
October 24, 2018
11 - Continued Education: Finding the Right Healthcare Provider for You
We are lucky to live in a time with Dr. Google - a time where you can often self diagnose your ailments, attend webinars to learn more about anything you're interested in, and read studies to learn more about any subject under the sun. In this episode, Chris and Teri discuss what is important when educating yourself on all things healthcare and healthcare providers. For more on picking the correct healthcare provider for you: For more on picking a clinic that is interested in YOU above their bottom line: For more on understanding insurance and how to save money:
October 03, 2018
10 - Ace the Interview (The 5 P's)
We've all been there: the interview. Cringeworthy for both the interviewer and interviewee. Chris and Teri have been there, on both sides, and have plenty cringeworthy tales to tell. In this episode, they talk about the best and worst tricks from both sides - from trick questions to resume hacks. Overcome the most feared part of the hiring process with this cheat sheet podcast episode. And what are the 5 P's? Hint: they will help you ace the interview EVERYTIME! But you'll have to listen to find out...
September 19, 2018
9 - Broad Spectrum Dieting: A Dietician's Perspective ft. Sarah Boesch
Think dieting is all about small portions of "healthy" food? This dietician thinks otherwise. With her famous instagram account @eat.and.repeat, Sarah Boesh preaches a different philosophy - one that involves eating a bit of everything for a healthy lifestyle. Listen to this podcast to see how it works! . see more of Sarah's yummy creations on Instagram @eat.and.repeat
September 12, 2018
8 - I Will Survive ft. Josh Perry
Surviving isn't about what has happened to you; it's about what you do with it! Our guest this week Josh Perry has an amazing story as a BMX rider and brain tumor survivor. Now, he is a health consultant, motivational speaker, and BMX athlete. Listen to this inspiring episode of how doing things differently is sometimes thrust upon you! For more on Josh:  Follow Josh (@JoshPerryBMX) on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and LinkedIn
September 06, 2018
7 - Trying New Things
Did you know that Chris eats the same thing every day? Anyone shocked? We certainly are... every single day. In all seriousness, though, Chris and Teri speak in this episode about how important it is to continually try new things (cough, cough, Chris). They talk about how to achieve a state of "Flow" and how trying new things can help you feel fulfilled. Chris shares a bit about his experience going back to school when his business was selected for a continuing education program at Babson College hosted by Goldman Sachs. The two have a big announcement in this podcast! For more on Flow by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi: For more on Chris' Babson College for small businesses: For more about Brier Creek Country Club:
August 31, 2018
6 - Mind Over Matter ft. Alex Cassella
NC powerlifting record holder Alex Cassella joins us to talk about setting the mind to a higher standard for higher performance. She is no stranger to sport performance, and offers plenty of advice for reaching those high goals that you might not even think you can reach. For more on FLOW, the secret to happiness: For more on Ellen Langer's Mindfulness study: For more on Amy Cuddy's Power Poses:
August 15, 2018
5 - Dare to Defy Insurance ft. Ted Graham
Ever wondered if there was a different way to navigate insurance and healthcare? Ted Graham, one of our physical therapists at Par4Success, has been defying the status quo since he was cleaning up tracks for Snoop Dogg back in the day. Today, he helps us explain how insurance can sometimes hinder growth and progress in the healthcare world, especially as far as value is concerned.
August 08, 2018
4 - Time Management ft. Cissi Denton
Chris and Teri rope the show's producer Cissi in as the first guest on the show. The three talk through their best and worst personal time management policies, suggesting ways to think outside the box for delegating tasks and working with others to get things done. For more on Panda planner:
August 01, 2018
3 - Habit Change and Communication
Have any habits that hold your performance back? Or, maybe you need to set new habits to boost your performance? Everyone works differently, and figuring out how to best operate on a personal level is step one for success. This podcast explores goals and how habits play a role in them in school, business, workplace, or even in sports. For more on SMART Goals:
July 25, 2018
2 - Fire and Ice Treatment
Should you put ice on that injury or heat? Chris and Teri address heat and ice treatment, then Teri lets off some HEAT after a recent healthcare experience. For more on RICE treatment: For more on the ANTI ice method:
July 19, 2018
1 - Staying Healthy When on the Go
This episode is all about how to stay healthy when on the go. Whether you're a busy mom or dad, business executive, business owner, college student, or even a professional athlete, this episode is for you!
July 11, 2018