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The Reference DeskJan 26, 2022
Daisy Bates and the Little Rock Nine
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the incredible story of Daisy Bates and the Little Rock Nine.
Following the landmark Supreme Court decision of Brown v. Board of Education, all school districts were instructed to begin integrating public buildings. But in Little Rock, Arkansas, the resistance to integration became a national spectacle. As Governor Orval Faubus went to extreme lengths to keep Little Rock's Central High segregated, nine brave African American students stepped up to confront him. The teenagers were selected and aided by Civil Rights activist Daisy Bates, local NAACP president, newspaper owner, and all-around champion for change. Together, Bates, the Little Rock Nine, and their courageous families changed the American education system. But since the 1980s, American schools have started to become more segregated. We explore the factors surrounding the complicated issue and examine how the education of Black children in America has been shaped throughout our history.
Links:
Still Separate, Still Unequal: Teaching About School Segregation and Educational Inequality (NYT article Katie mentions)
U.S. school segregation in the 21st century
Little Rock Nine: the day young students shattered racial segregation
Daisy Bates and the Little Rock Nine
What we are reading:
Katie: Apples Never Fall by Liane Moriarty
Hailee: Songteller by Dolly Parton
Recommended this week: see our Bookshop affiliate page for all of our recommendation or to purchase a title!
A Mighty Long Way: My Journey to Justice at Little Rock Central High School by Carlotta Walls Lanier
Warriors Don't Cry by Melba Pattillo Beals
The Worst First Day: Bullied While Desegregating Central High by Elizabeth Eckford
The Lost Education of Horace Tate by Vanessa Siddle Walker
Children of the Dream: Why School Integration Works by Rucker C. Johnson and Alexander Nazaryan
The Long Ride by Marina Budhos
What's Mine and Yours by Naima Coster
Queenie by Candice Carty-Williams
Black Leopard Red Wolf by Marlon James
My Sister, the Serial Killer by Oyinkan Braithwaite
The Vanishing Half by Brit Bennett
Black Buck by Mateo Askaripour
The Other Black Girl by Zakiya Dalila Harris
Reincarnated Children
This week on the Reference Desk, Hailee is bewitched by stories of children who remember having a past life. While reincarnation is a common belief and philosophy in Eastern religions and traditions, it is not as common in the West. Yet, two researchers have investigated over 2000 cases of children in the United States who have reported experiencing memories of a past life.
What We Are Reading
- Graveminder by Melissa Marr
- Songteller by Dolly Parton
- Apples Never Fall by Liane Moriarty
Recommendations
- Return to Life by Jim Tucker
- Surviving Death: A Journalist Investigates Evidence for an Afterlife Leslie Kean
- Soul Survivor: The Reincarnation of a World War II Fighter Pilot by Bruce and Andrea Leininger
- My Name Is Memory by Anne Brashers
- The Ghost Inside My Child (A&E Show)
If you are interested in purchasing any of the books we have recommended in this episode, please consider using our affiliate link at Bookshop.org!
The Survival Story of Ada Blackjack
In this week's episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the Arctic survival story of Ada Blackjack.
Ada was a young, single mother living in Nome, Alaska when she was approached about joining an expedition to uninhabited Wrangel Island. The Inupiat woman was told she would live among other Inuit families as they assisted a crew of four explorers who were colonizing the remote island under the command of famous Arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson. Instead, Blackjack found herself the only woman alongside a small crew of very inexperienced young men. What followed was two years of incredible survival in one of the most inhospitable landscapes on the globe. By the time the rescue ship reached Wrangel Island, Ada Blackjack was the lone survivor of the expedition.
What we are reading:
-The Good, the Bad, and the Dumped by Jenny Colgan
-Book Lovers by Emily Henry
-When You Get the Chance by Emma Lord
Recommendations:
-Ada Blackjack: A True Story of Survival in the Arctic by Jennifer Nivens
-Marooned in the Arctic: The True Story of Ada Blackjack, the 'Female Robinson Crusoe' by Peggy Caravantes
-A Line of Driftwood: The Ada Blackjack Story by Diane Glancy
-How to Survive in the North by Luke Healy
-How the Penguins Saved Veronica by Hazel Prior
-The Arctic Fury by Greer Macallister
A Day in the Life of a Victorian [Special Re-release]
Hello, friends! This is Katie. Thank you so much for joining us here on The Reference Desk.Hailee and I started working on this podcast over a year ago as a way to connect during what we thought was going to be the end of a pandemic. It’s seriously been so amazing having this time with my best friend, and all of you each week. For my special re-release, I selected an episode from the first half of our first season, and I cannot believe how far we have come since then. I REALLY can’t believe that you all stuck with us despite the fact that it sounded like I was calling in on a Nokia from the middle of a cornfield. I mean….I kind of was.
I chose this episode where Hailee covers Victorian customs and entertainment because it is just SO Hailee. She could have easily been a Victorian, eating her picnics in the cemetery by day and holding seances by night. It also taught me my favorite ever exercise, arm waving. So, without further ado, here is Hailee, telling us what it was like to spend a day in the life of a Victorian, and me, commenting from the bottom of a well.
Ayahuasca [Special Re-Upload]
Hailee chose an episode this week that she thinks is different than almost any of the other episodes. She found it fascinating and had so much fun listening to Katie talk about this topic. Plus, it has one of her all-time favorite moments in the history of the podcast, a discussion on the choice of colored bucket to expel your guts into. So, if this is your first time listening, or even if you are listening again, please enjoy Katie telling us all about Ayahuasca!
The Disappearance of Amelia Earhart
This week, Hailee is bewitched by the disappearance of Amelia Earhart. Amelia Earhart was more than just a pilot: she was the first woman to fly across the Atlantic (though she wasn’t the pilot of that flight), pioneered woman’s aviation, worked as a nurse’s aid, writer, teacher, and social worker, was the first woman awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross by Congress among so much more. Her disappearance during her attempt to circumnavigate the globe has remained a mystery for almost a century.
Media Recommendations Movies- Amelia (2009)
- Expedition Amelia (2019)
- East to the Dawn: The Life of Amelia Earhart by Susan Butler
- Fly Girls: How Five Daring Women Defied All Odds and Made Aviation History by Keith O'Brien
Kids
- Amelia Lost: The Life and Disappearance of Amelia Earhart by Candace Fleming
- Great circle by Maggie Shipstead
- Her Last Flight by Beatriz Williams
Links
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Earhart
https://ameliaearhart.com/index.php/biography/
https://www.history.com/topics/exploration/what-happened-to-amelia-earhart
The Trial of Josh Duggar
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie gives up a Duggar family update in the form of an in-depth journey through Josh Duggar's recent CSAM trial.
Josh Duggar has a long history of horrific behavior, from admitting to sexual abuse as a teen, to cheating on his wife, Anna, to admitting to a pornography addiction. But through it all, he has remained Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar's golden child, the chosen son. In November of 2019, Homeland Security discovered Duggar had been accessing child sexual abuse materials on his work computer, and he has since been charged and convicted on two counts of receiving and possessing CSAM. It appears that the clouds of delusion, may finally be lifting within the Duggar family regarding Josh's crimes, as evidenced by the stark statements issued by his siblings and parents in the wake of his conviction. We'll talk about what's next for Josh Duggar, and give some recommendations for our favorite female-centered, cult-related literature.
Books recommended on this episode (available in our bookshop):
Go Tell the Bees That I Am Gone by Diana Gabaldon
Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement by Kathryn Joyce
The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism by Katherine Stewart
The Unlikely Disciple: A Sinner's Semester at America's Holiest University by Kevin Roose
Shiner by Amy Jo Burns
We Can Only Save Ourselves by Alison Wisdom
Gather the Daughters by Jennie Melamed
Links:
John Harvey Kellogg
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the strange medical inventions and treatments of John Harvey Kellogg at his Battle Creek Sanitarium.
John Harvey Kellogg was a Seventh Day Adventist darling who gained directorship over their medical facility in mid-Michigan just a year after becoming a doctor. What followed was Kellogg becoming the face of modern medicine, beloved by America for bringing a renaissance of health. But behind the famous celebrities and politicians that flocked to his facility is a darker story. Kellogg fought with his brother until his death, completed horrific surgeries on children in the effort to stop the "evil vice," and was a staunch eugenicist who fought to create a national race register.
Books mentioned in this episode (available at our bookshop):
Dr. John Harvey Kellogg and the Region of Biologic Living by Brian C. Wilson
The Kelloggs: The Battling Brothers of Battle Creek by Howard Markel
The Sawbones Book: The Hilarious, Horrifying Road to Modern Medicine by Dr. Sydnee McElroy, Justin McElroy
The Road to Wellville by T.C. Boyle
The Second Life of Mirielle West by Amanda Skenadore
The Pull of the Stars by Emma Donoghue
The House of God by Samuel Shem
Links:
The Secret Ingredient in Kellogg's Corn Flakes is Seventh-Day Adventism
Dr. John Kellogg Invented Cereal. Some of His Other Wellness Ideas Were Much Weirder
John Harvey Kellogg's Legacy of Cereal, Sociopathy, and Sexual Mutilation
The Wild Story Of John Harvey Kellogg, The Eccentric Wellness Guru Who Invented Corn Flakes
The Hicks Clinic
This week, Hailee talks about the Hicks Clinic, a small, community clinic in McCaysville, GA where a doctor sold over 200 babies and performed illegal abortions, sometimes against the will of the mother, in the 50s and 60s.
Links:
A History Not Yet Laid to Rest - The Atlantic
How Many Babies Did Thomas Hicks Put Up for Adoption? - heavy.
‘Black market baby’ meets biological father in Gallatin - Gallatin News
Black Market Babies Reunited After More Than 50 Years - New York Post
ReproductiveRights.org - World Abortion Laws
What If Roe Fell? Interactive US Map from Reproductive Rights
Abortion Access - Planned Parenthood
Recommended Media
Television
- Taken at Birth - TLC docuseries, available on Discovery+
Books
Non-Fiction
- Taken at Birth by Jane Blasio
- American baby: a mother, a child, and the shadow history of adoption by Gabrielle Glaser
- Booth Girls: pregnancy, adoption, and the secrets we kept by Kim Heikkila
- The girls who went away: the hidden history of women who surrendered children for adoption in the decades before Roe v. Wade by Ann Fessler
- Before and After: the Incredible Real-Life Stories of Orphans Who Survived the Tennessee Children's Home Society by Judy Christie and Lisa Wingate
Fiction
- Before We Were Yours by Lisa Wingate
Anna Delvey (Anna Sorokin)
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched with the story of Manhattan grifter-extraordinaire Anna Delvey (Anna Sorokin)
For several years, the New York City upper crust embraced a charming young German heiress named Anna Delvey. Delvey was a chic, bold entrepreneur who was pursuing funding for her brainchild the Anna Delvey Foundation when Vanity Fair photo editor Rachel DeLoache Williams met her. The pair formed an unlikely friendship involving celebrity trainers, infrared sauna treatments, and expensive meals in SoHo's hottest restaurants. But the pair's friendship turned sour when a so-called "dream vacation" to Morocco left Rachel with more than $60,000 in credit card debt, which Delvey refused to reimburse as promised. Rachel would soon discover that she was only one in a long line of victims Delvey defrauded.
Recommended titles (available in our bookshop)
All These Bodies by Kendare Blake
My Friend Anna by Rachel DeLoache Williams
How to Lead a Life of Crime by Kirsten Miller
The Curse Workers trilogy by Holly Black
The Widow of Wall Street by Randy Susan Meyers
To Rise Again at a Decent Hour by Joshua Ferris
Conman: A Master Swindler's Own Story by J.R. 'Yellow Kid' Weil and W.T. Branson
Can You Ever Forgive Me? by Lee Israel
Empire of Deception by Dean Jobb
Links:
New York Magazine piece by Jessica Pressler
Vanity Fair piece by Rachel DeLoache Williams
Trailer for Netflix's "Inventing Anna"
The New England Vampire Panic
This week, Hailee is bewitched by the New England Vampire Panic. During the later part of the 18th and 19th centuries, large amounts of people were dying from what they called consumption, what we know of today as Tuberculosis. In New England, they had a different idea about what was causing their friends and loved ones to waste away in front of their eyes: vampires. Though they never used the exact term, they thought that the undead were preying upon the living and they had some very interesting methods to stop the attacks.
Links:
The Great New England Vampire Panic - Smithsonian Magazine
Belief in Connecticut Vampires
The Strange History of the New England Vampire Panic
Recommendations:
Media
Lore - Season 1 Episode 1: They Made a Tonic
Ask A Mortician - America's Forgotten Vampire Panic
Non-Fiction
Michael E. Bell's Food for the Dead: On the Trail of New England's Vampire
Vampires, Burial, and Death: Folklore and Reality by Paul Barber
A History of Vampires in New England by Thomas D'Agostino
Fiction
Mercy: The Last New England Vampire by Sarah L. Thomson
The Southern Book Club's Guide to Slaying Vampires by Grady Hendrix
The True Story of the First Thanksgiving
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched with the true story of the "first Thanksgiving."
American schools have long taught about the history of Thanksgiving with cringe-worthy pageants and re-enactments of happy pilgrims and Indians gathered around a table. In reality, the shared meal we've dubbed the "first Thanksgiving" was a pure coincidence of Wampanoag warriors joining in a meal they happened upon while expecting to find a full-scale battle. (why else would the woods be full of gunshots?!) The tenuous relationship between the colonizers and Indigenous people of New England quickly deteriorated after the feast, and what ensued was near total decimation of Indigenous life, land, and culture. After an accurate retelling of the accidental party, we share some suggestions on how to de-colonize your Thanksgiving celebration, as well as recommended books by Indigenous authors.
Recommended titles (available in our bookshop):
All These Bodies by Kendare Blake
This Land is Their Land: The Wampanoag Indians, Plymouth Colony, and the Troubled History of Thanksgiving by David J. Silverman
Dreaming in Indian: Contemporary Native American Voices by Lisa Charleyboy and Mary Beth Leatherdale
Eyes Bottle Drunk with a Mouthful of Flowers by Jake Sheets
There There by Tommy Orange
The Round House by Louise Edrich
1612: A New Look at Thanksgiving by Catherine O'Neill Grace
Giving Thanks: A Native American Good Morning Message by Jake Swamp
We Are Grateful: Otashlihelgia by Traci Sorell
My Heart Fills With Happiness by Monique Gray Smith
Links:
Indigenous Digital Archive Treaties Explorer
6 Native Leaders on What it Would Look Like if the U.S. Kept its Promises
The Houses of Refuge and the United States Life Saving Service
This week, Hailee is bewitched with something she stumbled upon during a recent trip to Florida: Houses of Refuge and the United States Life Saving Services. According to Martin County Historical Society, the Houses of Refuge were designated as havens for shipwrecked sailors and travelers along the sparsely populated Atlantic coastline of Florida. Run by the United States Lifesaving Service, the Houses played a critical role in a time when sailing ships dominated world commerce. Over their years of operation, the Lifesaving Service saved over 100,000 people and was the start of the Coast Guard.
Links:
US Life-Saving Service Heritage Association
- A History of the World in Sixteen Shipwrecks by Stewart Gordon
- Sinking the Sultana: A Civil War Story of Imprisonment, Greed, and a Doomed Journey Home by Sally M. Walker
- The Perfect Storm: A True Story of Men Against the Sea by Sebastian Junger
- Ghosts of the Treasure Coast by Patrick and Patricia Mesmer
- In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex by Nathaniel Philbrick
- Salt to the Sea by Ruta Sepetys
- The Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon
- Small Town Monsters by Diana Rodriguez Wallach
If you are interested in purchasing any of these titles, please use our affiliate link through bookshop.org!
Carry A. Nation
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the saloon-smashing, hatchet-wielding, temperance leader Carry A. Nation.
In the fight for prohibition, no one waged war like Carry Nation. After a hard childhood that ended in a brief marriage to an alcoholic, Carry became involved in the Women's Christian Temperance Union. Finding no success in the usual campaigns of letter-writing and prayer circles, Carry took it upon herself to deliver the message in a more direct way. She became famous for smashing saloons with her trademark hatchet while preaching about the sins of alcohol to anyone unfortunate enough to be within earshot. Carry Nation was largely written off by historians as a religious hysteric, but by examining her actions in the context of the woman's suffrage movement, we can see Carry played an integral role in our nation's progress.
Recommended titles (available in our bookshop):
The Haunting of Leigh Harker by Darcy Coates
Untamed by Glennon Doyle
Carry A. Nation: Retelling the Life by Fran Grace
Smashing the Liquor Machine: A Global History of Prohibition by Mark Lawrence Schrad
The Gilded Years by Karin Tanabe
The Lions of Fifth Avenue by Fiona Davis
The Downstairs Girl by Stacey Lee
Links:
Historic Missourians: Carry A. Nation
Mini Spookysode #4: The Origins and History of Halloween
In our last mini spookysode, Hailee tells us about the origins and celebrations of Halloween! How we celebrate Halloween is pretty different than how it was originally celebrated over 2000 years ago, but there are still some traces of the ancient festivals that inspired the holiday.
Creepy vintage Halloween costumes
Mini Spookysode #3: The Soap-Maker of Correggio
In this week's mini spookysode, Katie is bewitched by the soap-maker of Correggio.
When fortune-teller Leonarda Cianciulli set up shop in the tiny Italian town of Correggio, luck for the local women seemed to change. Leonarda helped them find new jobs, new loves, and new adventures. But their families never heard from then again, save a couple of letters telling them they'd left town for good. When one missing woman's sister-in-law began poking around, she discovered a vat of secrets in Leonarda's bubbling cauldron.
Mini Spookysode #2: The Legend of the Bell Witch
This week, Hailee is bewitched with the legend of the Bell Witch.
The Bell Witch is a menacing spirit that haunted the Bell family in Addams, Tennessee for years. Beginning with unexplained noises and sightings of strange creatures, the haunting soon escalated to physical torments and is said to be one of the only cases in which a spirit has caused the death of a person.
Mini Spookysode #1: What happens to your body after you die?
This week, Katie is bewitched with what happens to your body after you die.
From the time you take your last breath to the time your placed in the ground or an urn, the process and care your human form receives is something of a mystery. Mortuary science is a secretive field, and few people know what goes on behind the scenes in a funeral home. The air of mystery surrounding the very natural end of life only adds to the general fear of death. In this episode, we take you through the process your earthly remains will go through from their transport to the morgue to their final resting place, be that a cemetery or deepest space.
We're Back!
We are back! Join us as we chat about what we have been doing, what we have been reading and what we have been watching during our short break. Plus, find out what we will be up to next and when to look forward to new episodes of The Reference Desk!
Titanic (part 2)
This week Katie and Hailee continue to be bewitched by the Titanic.
In the second half of this two-part series, we go minute-by-minute through the timeline of the sinking and bemoan all the mistakes that led to the massive loss of life. We also discuss the aftermath of the tragedy, including its influence on pop culture and the completely bizarre salvage plans that were cooked up through the decades to drag the wreck out of the depths of the ocean...before it was even discovered in 1985! We also talk about some myths associated with Titanic, and explore some shipwreck-related ghost stories.
This will be the concluding episode for our first season. We cannot thank you enough for your support and listenership. We're already hard to work researching for season 2!
Books mentioned in this episode (all can be purchased in our bookshop):
Fear Street Series by R.L. Stine
The Loss of the SS Titanic by Lawrence Beesley
The Truth About the Titanic by Archibald Gracie
Titanic and Other Ships by Charles Lightoller
A Night to Remember by Walter Lord
The Discovery of the Titanic by Robert Ballard
The Wreck of the Titan: Futility by Morgan Robertson
The Midnight Watch by David Dyer
Women and Children First by Gill Paul
The Watch That Ends the Night by Allan Wolf
The Deep by Alma Katsu
882 1/2 Amazing Answers to Your Questions About the Titanic by Hugh Brewster and Laurie Coulter
History Smashers: The Titanic by Kate Messner
Titanic: A Journey Through Time by John P. Eaton and Charles A. Haas
Links:
British Wreck Commissioner's Inquiry
Titanic (part 1)
This week Hailee and Katie are bewitched by the Titanic.
Is it just us, or does EVERY kid go through a Titanic phase? An adolescent infatuation spurred on by Kate Winslet and Leonardo Dicaprio leaving handprints on a steamy car window has morphed into an adult obsession with the story and impact of the Titanic. In our first ever collaborative episode (and part one of our season 1 finale), we explore the history of transatlantic travel, the construction of the “ship of dreams,” life onboard the ship, and the crew and passengers who made the doomed vessel an integral part of Western history and culture.
Before this ill-fated beauty slips below the freezing waters of the Atlantic, let’s revel in her grandeur and innovation.
Books mentioned on this episode (all linked in our bookshop):
The Comfort Book by Matt Haig
The Unhoneymooners by Christina Lauren
Beach Read by Emily Henry
Links:
Overview of Transatlantic travel
The Monster Ships that Changed the Way We Travel
Second and Third Class Facilities
Here's What the Most Expensive Ticket on the Titanic Would Have Bought You
RMS Titanic and Passenger Lists
Captain Edward J. Smith Biography
UK National Archives for the Titanic
The Amityville Horror (part 2)
In this two-part episode, Hailee is bewitched with the Amityville Horror.
Since the 1970s, the beautiful dutch colonial house on 112 Ocean Avenue in Amityville, NY has been full of tragedy and speculation. Starting with the brutal slaying of the DeFeo family in 1974 to the shocking tales of demonic activity in the home afterward to the numerous books, movies, and TV shows made in the aftermath, this house has become one of, if not the most infamous house in America.
In part two, Hailee breaks down the paranormal investigations that took place in the home, gives a brief career overview of investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren, and talks about some of the coincidences and legends associated with the home.
Recommended titles (all available in our bookshop):
- Home Before Dark by Riley Sager
- Amity by Micol Ostow
- The Haunted House Diaries: The True Story of a Quiet Connecticut Town in the Center of a Paranormal Mystery by William Hall
- Ghostland: An American History in Haunted Places by Colin Dickey
- The Night the Defeo's Died by Ric Osuna
https://filmdaily.co/news/ed-and-lorraine-warren/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulg65p84JwU&ab_channel=WarnerBros.Entertainment
The Amityville Horror (part 1)
In this two part episode, Hailee is bewitched with the Amityville Horror.
Since the 1970s, the beautiful dutch colonial house on 112 Ocean Avenue in Amityville, NY has been full of tragedy and speculation. Starting with the brutal slaying of the DeFeo family in 1974 to the shocking tales of demonic activity in the home afterwards to the numerous books, movies and TV shows made in the aftermath, this house has become one of, if not the most infamous house in America. In part one, Hailee will talk about the history of the home, the murder of the DeFeo family and the haunting experiences of the Lutz family who moved in just a year after the murders.
Recommended titles (all available in our bookshop):
- A Cuban Girl's Guide to Tea and Tomorrow Laura Taylor Namey
- Untamed by Glennon Doyle
- The Night the DeFeo's Died by Ric Osuna
- The Amityville Horror by Jay Anson
Links
The Duggar Family (part 2)
In this week’s episode, Katie continues to be bewitched by the Duggar family.
Part two of our expose on one of the world’s most famous mega-families will reveal the Duggars’ long list of scandals. From transphobic tweets that result in members being removed from filming, to infidelity, corporal punishment, and misuse of charity funds, we look at the moments that shook the foundation of the Duggar fanbase.
We also devote some time to the most disappointing Duggar of all, Joshua. Josh’s long history of alarming and destructive behaviors have finally caught up to him in a way that can’t be quietly solved with a trip to a prayer-based “recovery center.” We’ll pinpoint all the red flags and utter failures along the way.
Recommended titles (all available in our bookshop):
Love Makes a Family by Sophie Beer
Felix Ever After by Kacen Callender
The Queen's English: The LGBTQIA+ Dictionary of Lingo and Colloquial Phrases by Chloe O. Davis
Real Queer America: LGBT Stories from Red States by Samantha Allen
Drama by Raina Telgemeier
Lumberjane series by Noelle Stevenson, Shannon Watters, and Brooke Allen
Julian is a Mermaid by Jessica Love
Educated by Tara Westover
Stolen Innocence: My Story of Growing Up in a Polygamous Sect, Becoming a Teenage Bride, and Breaking Free of Warren Jeffs by Elissa Wall and Lisa Pulitzer
Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by Jon Krakauer
Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as one of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lives to Take it All (Or Almost All) of it Back by Frank Schaeffer
The Patron Saint of Butterflies by Cecilia Galante
The Incendiaries by R.O. Kwon
The Leftovers by Tom Perrotta
Survivor by Chuck Palahniuk
Links:
Counting On: The 10 Biggest Scandals that Have Rocked the Duggar Family
TLC Severs Ties with Derick Dillard Following More Tweets about Jazz Jennings
Timeline: Duggar Sex-Abuse Scandal
Family Values Activist Josh Duggar Had a Paid Ashely Madison Account
The Duggar Family (part 1)
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the Duggar Family.
To their adoring fans, the Duggar family is a close-knit, super-sized Christian family intent on raising their brood under a stringent set of beliefs and rules. But when we dig below the surface, we find so much more. From their affiliation with Bill Gothard’s predatory Institute of Basic Life Principles, to their deeply sexist rules for their daughters, to their bizarre and troubling homeschool curriculum, the Duggar family’s problems run deeper than just floor-length denim skirts and parent-supervised dates.
Join us in this first part of a two-episode look at everything you wish you didn’t know about the Duggar family.
Recommended titles (available at our bookshop):
What Riley Wore by Elana K. Arnold and Linda Davick
All Out: The No-Longer-Secret Stories of Queer Teens Throughout the Ages by Saundra Mitchell
This is How it Always Is by Laurie Frankel
Simon Vs. The Homosapien's Agenda by Becky Albertalli
Leah on the Offbeat by Becky Albertalli
Kate in Waiting by Becky Albertalli
You Should See Me in a Crown by Leah Johnson
Links:
Can Taking the Pill Cause a Miscarriage?
A Comprehensive Guide to the Duggar Family
'Counting On': How Did the Duggar Family Get on Television?
What Church Do the Duggars Go To?
Institute in Basic Life Principles (hot garbage dump)
Here's How the Duggars Really Make Their Money
The Fundamentally Toxic Christianity
The Cult Next Door (all about IBLP and super creep Bill Gothard)
Legends and Lore Behind Cursed Films
In this episode, Hailee is bewitched with the legends and lore behind cursed films.
What is a curse? Some of the earliest curses are found in Egyptian Execration texts, which were tablets listing the enemies of the pharaoh. Essentially, a curse is any expressed wish that some form of adversity or misfortune will befall or attach to one or more persons, a place, or an object. Throughout history, people have promoted stories of curses for a variety of reasons. You can find curses just about anywhere, from religious superstitions to sports fans wearing a certain jersey because they think it will help their team win...to films and television! There are a number of films that hold the description of being cursed. Accidents and deaths on set, bad luck that seems to follow anyone associated with certain films, and so much more. In this episode, Hailee will discuss the real events, legends, and lore behind several cursed films and you can decide for yourself...are curses real?
For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.
Recommended Media- Cursed Films series on Shudder
- Harrow Lake by Kat Ellis
- The Remaking by Clay Mcleod Chapman
- Plain Bad Heroines by Emily Danforth
If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop
LinksAntrum - Cursed Horror with Grim History
I Watched A Cursed Film During Quarantine
Myths and Legends of Disney World
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the myths and legends of Walt Disney World.
Known around the globe as “the happiest place on Earth,” Disney World Resort in Orlando, Florida is a vacation destination like no other. This sprawling property is home to four unique theme parks, a host of themed accommodations, hundreds of restaurants, and a world of carefully-curated experiences. But are there secrets lurking beneath the surface?
Was Walt Disney cryogenically frozen and kept in suspended animation beneath one of his most beloved attractions?
Is an uncontainable flesh-eating bacteria the real reason for the sudden, quiet closure of a wildly popular water park? And is it true that no one dies on Disney property? We explore these myths and more in this magical episode.
Recommended Titles available at our bookshop
Manacled by SenLinYu
Disney War by James B. Stewart
It’s Kind of a Cute Story by Rolly Crump and Jeff Heimbuch
The Disney Story: Chronicling the Man, the Mouse, and the Parks by Aaron H. Goldberg
The Art of Disney Costuming: Heroes, Villains, and Spaces Between by Jeff Kurtti
Maps of the Disney Parks: Charting 60 Years from California to Shanghaiby Kevin and Susan Neary
Cleaning the Kingdom: Insider Tales of Keeping Walt’s Dream Spotless by Ken Pellman and Lynn Barron
Ink and Paint: The Women of Walt Disney’s Animation by Mindy Johnson
Secret Stories of Walt Disney World series by Jim Korkis
The Kingdom Keeper series by Ridley Pearson.
Dream Factory by Brad Barkley and Heather Hepler
Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom by Cory Doctorow
Links:
Abandoned: The Rise, Fall and Decay of Disney's River Country
List of Incidents at Walt Disney World
The Inside Story Of Walt Disney’s Secret Tunnels Beneath The Magic Kingdom
Park Secrets Disney Doesn't Want You to Know
Fact Check: Does No One Ever Die at Disney Parks?
The Culper Ring and George Washington’s Spies
In this episode, Hailee is bewitched with the Culper Ring, George Washington's secret spy ring credited with turning the course of the war and enabling an American victory.
The Culper Spy Ring operated successfully in and around New York City for five years and the informants were never discovered. Even George Washington himself was unaware of their identities. Along with spies like Hercules Mulligan and James Armistead, the Culper Ring was responsible for preventing the plan of one of history’s most notorious traitors and saving George Washington’s life more than once. And yes, there will be Hamilton quotes.
For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.
Recommended Media
- TURN, AMC
- Decoded - History Channel
- George Washington's Secret Six: The Spy Ring That Saved the American Revolution by Brian Kilmeade and David Yeager
- Washington's Spies: The Story of America's First Spy Ring by Alexander Rose
- Agent 355 by Marie Benedict (Audible original)
- George Washington, Spymaster by Thomas B. Allen
- Nathan Hale’s Hazardous Tales by Nathan Hale
- Rebel Spy by Veronica Rossi
If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop
Linkshttps://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/culper-spy-ring/
https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/culper-spy-ring
https://explorethearchive.com/the-culper-ring
https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/american-revolution-history
The Polio Epidemic and Vaccines
This week, Katie is bewitched with the polio epidemic and vaccines.
As the U.S. takes its first tentative steps toward post-COVID life with the massive roll-out of vaccines, Katie takes time to reflect on another virus that changed our world: polio. For decades, parents lived in fear of summer- time polio outbreaks. Children went from happy and healthy to iron lungs in a matter of days. As a result, public pools closed. Adolescents were banned from movie theaters, and parents everywhere hoped and prayed for a vaccine that would keep their children safe. The Polio vaccines continue to provide relief from this debilitating virus all over the world. Will we allow the COVID vaccines to do their work, too?
Recommended books (all can be found in our bookshop):
A Head Full of Ghosts by Paul Tremblay
Growing Things by Paul Tremblay
The Royal We series by Heather Cocks and Jessica Morgan
Polio: An American Story by David M. Oshinsky
The Cutter Incident: How America’s First Polio Vaccine Led to the Growing Vaccine Crisis by Paul A. Offit
The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot
Three Minutes for a Dog: My Life in an Iron Lung by Paul R. Alexander
Nemesis by Philip Roth
The Stolen Marriage by Diane Chamberlain
Severance by Ling Ma
Links:
History Does Repeat Itself: Lessons from the Polio Vaccine
Parents PACK Personal Stories-Polio
Why 'New' COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects Are Totally Expected
The Cutter Incident: How America's First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis
How We Know the COVID Vaccine Won't Have Long Term Side Effects
Race and the Politics of Polio: Warm Springs, Tuskegee, and the March of Dimes
Victorian Customs and Entertainment
The victorian period is named after for reign of Queen Victoria encompassing the span of history between 1837-1901. During this time, Brittain and the United States were experiencing the first Industrial Revolution. Also during this time, Alexander Graham Bell invents the telephone, Florence Nightingale revolutionizes the nursing field with her sanitary practices, Charles Dickens is the shit - the most popular author of the time, Charles Darwin writes the Origin of the species, Jack the Ripper is stalking the streets of London.
And there is an incredibly high mortality rate which is why much of what the Victorians did for entertainment focuses on death. From disgustingly elaborate breakfasts to seances and anthropomorphic taxidermy and hair jewelry, the Victorians were certainly a strange bunch.
Recommended Media- The Boy in the Red Dress by Kristin Lambert
- The Alice Network by Kate Quinn
- Outlander Series by Diana Gabaldon
- Victorian Farm - BBC show
- Floriography by Jessica Roux
- How to Be a Victorian: A Dawn-to-Dusk Guide to Victorian Life by Ruth Goodman
- Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
- The Essex Serpent by Sarah Perry
- The Silent Companions by Lucy Parcell
If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop
LinksBrief history of the Victorian Era
How People in the Victorian Era Spent Their Free Time - Weird History, YouTube
Archive of primary texts about all manner of Victorian topics
The Survival Story of Jose Salvador Alvarenga
In this week's episode, Katie is bewitched by the incredible survival story of Jose Salvador Alvarenga. In November 2012, Alvarenga headed out on a fishing trip despite warnings of a storm brewing. The routine trip soon turned life-threatening when engine failure and rough seas dragged Alvarenga and his mate, 22-year-old Ezequiel Cordoba, deep into the Pacific Ocean. For 438 days, Alvarenga survived at sea before washing ashore on the Marshall Islands. Alvarenga's survival is a story of incredible skill, intelligence, and sheer luck. In this episode we examine the psychological and physical obstacles Alvarenga overcame to become the first man to survive for over a year alone in the Pacific Ocean.
Recommended books (all can be found in our bookshop):
We are Not Free by Traci Chee
Healthier Together by Liz Moody
At Home: A Short History of Private Life by Bill Bryson
438 Days: An Extraordinary True Story of Survival at Sea by Jonathan Franklin
Into Thin Air: A Personal Account of the Mount Everest Disaster by John Krakauer
Into the Wild by John Krakauer
In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex by Nathaniel Philbrick
A Walk in the Woods: Rediscovering America on the Appalachian Trail by Bill Bryson
SAS Survival Handbook: The Ultimate Guide to Surviving Anywhere by John “Lofty” Williams
The Martian by Andy Weir
The Children’s Blizzard by Melanie Benjamin
Hatchet by Gary Paulsen
My Side of the Mountain by Jean Craighead George
Island of the Blue Dolphins by Scott O’Dell
Sleepwalking
This week, Hailee is bewitched with the strange, funny, sometimes deadly behaviors of people who sleepwalk.
Sleepwalking is a behavior disorder that originates during deep sleep and results in walking or performing other complex behaviors while still mostly asleep. Listen this week as Hailee discusses some funny sleepwalking stories, including some sleep talking stories from her husband, as well as the science behind what goes on in our brains during sleep. And of course, she discusses some sleepwalking murders, as well.
Titles recommended in this episode:
- The Rise and Fall of Charles Lindbergh by Candace Fleming
- Sloth Wasn't Sleepy by Kate Messner, illustrated by Valentina Toro
- Dreamland: adventures in the strange science of sleep by David Randall.
- I have struck Mrs. Cochran with a stake: sleepwalking, insanity, and the trial of Abraham Prescott by Leslie Rounds
If you’re interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop
Linkshttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201212/sleep-driving-and-sleep-killing
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-case-of-the-sleepwalking-killer-77584095/
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleepwalking/symptoms-causes/syc-20353506
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alivelez/weird-sleepwalking-stories
https://www.sleepcycle.com/how-sleep-cycle-works/
Mackinac Island
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched with Mackinac Island.
Nestled in the cold, deep waters between the upper and lower pennisulas of Michigan lies the idyllic and picturesque Mackinac Island. What was once a beloved spot for indigenous people evolved into a fur trader’s outpost, a military stronghold, and eventually the tourist destination we know today. From it’s unique ban on automobiles to its Victorian-era flagship hotel, this gem of an island transports its visitor’s back in time.
Let’s explore its unique history, fascinating year-round lifestyle, and it’s darkest haunts.
For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.
Recommended titles:
The Watch That Ends the Night by Allan Wolf
Beauty Mark by Carole Boston Weatherford
Outlander by Diana Gabaldon
What We Don't Talk About When We Talk About Fat by Aubrey Gordon
Secrets of Mackinac Island series by Katie Winters
The Pink Pony: Murder on Mackinac Island by Charles Cutter
Snowed In by Rachel Hawthorne
Timeless: Inside Mackinac Island's Historic Cottages by Moira Croghan, Mark Bearss
Haunts of Mackinac: Ghost Stories, Legends and Tragic Tales of Mackinac Island by Todd Clements
Mackinac Island: It's History in Pictures by Eugene T. Peterson
If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop
Links:
Lore episode 91: Beneath the Surface
Your Haunted Holiday episode 57: The Grand Hotel
Haunted Places: Mackinac Island
Mackinac Bands of Chippewa and Ottawa Indians
Harry Potter and the Sacred Text
10 Things You Might Not Know About Mackinac Island's Grand Hotel
Remembering Mackinac Island's Agatha Biddle
Winter Life on Mackinac Island
Island Living: For Mackinac Full-timers, a Different Way of Life
The Donner Party
This week, Hailee is bewitched by the tragic fate of the Donner Party. Literally every conceivable thing went wrong for this rag-tag group of travelers. Pioneers traveling the Oregon trail were inspired by the promise of free land in California and Oregon. Spurred on by what journalist John L. O’Sullivan coined Manifest Destiny, and encouraged by President Polk who was so singular in his focus of owning the western part of the United States he started the Mexican American war, these settlers thought it was their Divine right to journey west and claim the land for themselves. They were promised acres of good, farmable land by the Westward Expansion organizations, never minding that most of California was still owned by Mexico and, of course, hundreds, maybe thousands of indigenous people already called the land home. Hoping to take a newly "discovered" shortcut that would supposedly shave off 300 miles of their journey, the Donner party unfortunately ended up trapped in the Sierra Nevadas in feet of snow and very quickly began to starve.
Titles recommended in this episode:
- The Snow Fell Three Graves Deep by Allen Roth
- The Hunger by Alma Katsu
- To Stay Alive: Mary Ann Graves and the Tragic Journey of the Donner Party by Skila Brown
- Daughters Unto Devils by Amy Lukavics
- The Best Land Under Heaven: The Donner Party in the Age of Manifest Destiny by Michael Wallis
- The Indifferent Stars Above: The Harrowing Saga of a Donner Party Bride by Daniel James Brown
If you’re interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop
LinksFor a full list of the members of the Donner Party as well as their fate, click here.
Pay the Oregon Trail game!This amazing website has complete biographies of most of the Donner Party, maps, family trees and so much more. Wonderful.
In 2020, a group of snow hikers attempted to take the same path as the Forlorn Hope Expedition. Track their journey here.
For a full list of our sources and show notes, check out our website!
Debutantes of the London Social Season
In this episode, Katie is bewitched with the debutantes of the London social season.
Since the late 1700s, Britain's most eligible young ladies have been presented to society during London's social season. Providing the framework for our favorite novels like Pride and Prejudice, debutante society hides a deeply problematic world of sexism, racism, classism, and more. In this deep-dive into the beginnings and evolution of this bizarre ritual, we explore the realm of the ultra-exclusive debutante social scene.
For more information, and a list of all our sources, visit our website.
Titles recommended in this episode:
The Season: A Social History of the Debutante by Kristen Richardson
The Husband Hunters: Social Climbing in London and New York by Anne de Courcy and Clare Corbett
Women of Means: The Fascinating Biographies of Royals, Heiresses, Eccentrics, and Other Poor Little Rich Girls by Margaret Wagman-Gellar
The Bridgertons Series by Julia Quinn
Belgravia by Julian Fellowes
The American Heiress by Daisy Goodwin
The Debutantes series by Jennifer Lynn Barnes
If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop
Links:
The 10 Dos and Don’ts of Etiquette to Become a Lady in Regency England
Debutante balls and the persistent obsession with the purity of young women
Queer in the Regency: a Slice of Once-Hidden LGBT History
Gender roles in the 19th century
Love and Courtship in Regency England
The Curious Plight of the Modern Debutante
The History of British Slave Ownership Has Been Buried
'Princess Seraphina' Steps Out at Vauxhill Gardens
A Survivor's Guide to Georgian Marriage
Rock myths, legends, and curses
Special Episode: Meet Your Hosts!
In this special episode of The Reference Desk, Katie and Hailee tell you a bit about themselves, why they started a podcast and play a game of Would You Rather!
Books Mentioned
Fangirl by Rainbow Rowell
The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath
The Outlander series by Diana Gabeldon
Books by Louise Miller
Books by Jenny Colgan
The Fingerprints series by Melinda Metz
If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org (affiliate shop)
Ayahuasca
In this episode, Katie is bewitched with the psychedelic drug ayahuasca.
Deep in the Amazon basin of South America, indigenous people rely on the wisdom of the sacred ayahuasca brew, a psychoactive drink. For centuries, this medicine has guided and healed those who partake in its sacred ritual. Traditionally, a trained shaman guides their community members through the ritual, but Westerners want in, too.
For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website
Recommended titles:
Songteller by Dolly Parton
Cravings by Chrissy Teigen
Cravings: Hungry for More by Chrissy Teigen
The Little Blue Cottage by Kelly Jordan and Jessica Courtney-Tickle
Miss Rumphius by Barbara Cooney
You Are Your Child's First Teacher by Rahima Baldwin Dancy
Ayahuasca in my Blood: Twenty-five Years of Medicine Dreaming by Peter Gorman
Ayahuasca Visions: The Religious Iconography of a Peruvian Shaman by Pablo Amaringo and Luis Eduardo Luna
Nine Perfect Strangers by Liane Moriarty
Fitness Junkie by Lucy Sykes and Jo Piazza
If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop
Links:
Why You Will Never Get a Traditional Ayahuasca Treatment
What's a "Traditional" Ayahuasca Ceremony?
How Can You Drink Ayahuasca Legally in the US?
Ayahuasca: The Dark Side and Dangers
The Colonization of the Ayahuasca Experience
Cultural Context and the Beneficial Applications of Ayahuasca
The Incubator Babies of Coney Island
In this episode of the Reference Desk, Hailee tells us about the strange Coney Island sideshow responsible for saving hundreds of lives. Martin Couney's Infant Incubator facility was one of Coney Island's most popular exhibits.
For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.
To buy books mentioned in this episode: Bookshop.org affiliate shop.
Links:
Life Under Glass - Radio Documentary
Frank Abagnale, Jr.
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by Frank Abagnale, Jr.
One of America's most notorious con-men, Frank Abagnale Jr's unlikely journey into the world of check forgery, criminal impersonation, and other scams, inspired the popular film "Catch Me If You Can." From his humble beginnings as a teenage runaway cashing bad checks, to his summer spent escorting a group of Pan-Am flight attendant hopefuls through Europe, this episode covers his life of crime from beginning to end. After our deep-dive into Abagnale's problematic rise to notoriety, we give you book recommendations about the world of fraud, scams, and swindles.
For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.
Recommended books:
The Midnight Library by Matt Haig
Echo Mountain by Lauren Wolk
Catch Me If You Can: The True Story of a Real Fake by Frank W. Abagnale and Stan Redding
Revival by Stephen King
The Talented Mr. Ripley by Patricia Highsmith
Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup by John Carreyrou
Charlatan by Pope Brock
The Bling Ring by Nancy Jo Sales
Dot Con by James Veitch
To buy books mentioned in this episode: Bookshop.org affiliate shop.
Links: Frank Abagnale
The Salem Witch Trials
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Hailee is bewitched with The Salem Witch Trials.
Between February 1692 and May 1693, more than two hundred people were accused of witchcraft in Salem and surrounding towns. Thirty were found guilty, nineteen were executed by hanging, one other man was pressed to death, and at least five people died in jail. Also, two dogs were found guilty of witchcraft. Listen to find out more about this strange time in America's history!
For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.
Recommended books:
The Physick Book of Deliverance Dane by Katherine Howe
Conversion by Katherine Howe
The Daughters of Temperance Hobbs by Katherine Howe
A Season With the Witch by J. W. Ocker
Six Women of Salem by Marilynne K. Roach
The Witches: Suspicion, Betrayal, and Hysteria in 1692 Salem by Stacy Schiff
Rebel Spy by Veronica Rossi
To buy books mentioned in this episode: Bookshop.org affiliate shop!
Links:
A Brief History of the Salem Witch Trials by Smithsonian Magazine
How Rye Bread May Have Caused the Salem Witch Trials
The WPA Packhorse Library
In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched with the WPA Packhorse Library.
As part of FDR's New Deal, the Works Progress Administration provided employment for millions of Americans struggling with the effects of the Great Depression. In the most remote pockets of Appalachia, the WPA Packhorse Library Program delivered books by horse to thousands of nearly-inaccessible homes and hollers.
This episode details the history and impact of the WPA Packhorse Library program, and provides book recommendations for listeners interested in emerging themselves even further into the bizarre and beautiful piece of American history.
For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.
Books recommended:
Miss Dorothy and her Bookmobile by Gloria Houston and Susan Condie Lamb
My Librarian is a Camel by Margriet Ruurs
Biblioburro by Jeanette Winter
That Book Woman by Heather Henson and David Small
Ramp Hollow: The Ordeal of Appalachia by Steven Stoll
Wednesday's Children by Kathryn Anne Michaels
What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia by Elizabeth Catte
Down Cut Shin Creek by Kathi Appelt and Jeanne Cannella Schmitzer
Library on Wheels by Sharlee Glenn
The Uncommon Reader by Alan Bennett
The Little Paris Bookshop by Nina George
The Bookshop on the Corner by Jenny Colgan
The Librarian of Boone's Hollow by Kim Vogel Sawyer
The Book Women of Troublesome Creek by Kim Michele Richardson
The Giver of Stars by Jojo Moyes
To buy books mentioned in this episode: Bookshop.orgLinks:
Horse-Riding Librarians Were the Great Depression's Bookmobiles
Culture, Poverty, and Education in Appalachian Kentucky
A History of US Public Libraries Exhibit
In 1932, Works Program Spelled HOPE for Millions of Jobless Americans
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