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The Survival Story of Ada Blackjack

The Reference DeskJan 26, 2022

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Daisy Bates and the Little Rock Nine

Daisy Bates and the Little Rock Nine

In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the incredible story of Daisy Bates and the Little Rock Nine.

Following the landmark Supreme Court decision of Brown v. Board of Education, all school districts were instructed to begin integrating public buildings. But in Little Rock, Arkansas, the resistance to integration became a national spectacle. As Governor Orval Faubus went to extreme lengths to keep Little Rock's Central High segregated, nine brave African American students stepped up to confront him. The teenagers were selected and aided by Civil Rights activist Daisy Bates, local NAACP president, newspaper owner, and all-around champion for change. Together, Bates, the Little Rock Nine, and their courageous families changed the American education system. But since the 1980s, American schools have started to become more segregated. We explore the factors surrounding the complicated issue and examine how the education of Black children in America has been shaped throughout our history. 

Links: 

Still Separate, Still Unequal: Teaching About School Segregation and Educational Inequality (NYT article Katie mentions)

U.S. school segregation in the 21st century

Little Rock Nine: the day young students shattered racial segregation

Daisy Bates and the Little Rock Nine

Inside the Rosenwald Schools

Little Rock Nine Foundation

Nice White Parents podcast

What we are reading: 

Katie: Apples Never Fall by Liane Moriarty

Hailee: Songteller by Dolly Parton

Recommended this week: see our Bookshop affiliate page for all of our recommendation or to purchase a title!

A Mighty Long Way: My Journey to Justice at Little Rock Central High School by Carlotta Walls Lanier

Warriors Don't Cry by Melba Pattillo Beals

The Worst First Day: Bullied While Desegregating Central High by Elizabeth Eckford

The Lost Education of Horace Tate by Vanessa Siddle Walker

Children of the Dream: Why School Integration Works by Rucker C. Johnson and Alexander Nazaryan

The Long Ride by Marina Budhos

What's Mine and Yours by Naima Coster

Queenie by Candice Carty-Williams

Black Leopard Red Wolf by Marlon James

My Sister, the Serial Killer by Oyinkan Braithwaite

The Vanishing Half by Brit Bennett

Black Buck by Mateo Askaripour

The Other Black Girl by Zakiya Dalila Harris


Feb 09, 202201:16:40
Reincarnated Children

Reincarnated Children

This week on the Reference Desk, Hailee is bewitched by stories of children who remember having a past life. While reincarnation is a common belief and philosophy in Eastern religions and traditions, it is not as common in the West. Yet, two researchers have investigated over 2000 cases of children in the United States who have reported experiencing memories of a past life. 


What We Are Reading

  • Graveminder by Melissa Marr
  • Songteller by Dolly Parton
  • Apples Never Fall by Liane Moriarty

Recommendations

  • Return to Life by Jim Tucker
  • Surviving Death: A Journalist Investigates Evidence for an Afterlife Leslie Kean
  • Soul Survivor: The Reincarnation of a World War II Fighter Pilot by Bruce and Andrea Leininger
  • My Name Is Memory by Anne Brashers
  • The Ghost Inside My Child (A&E Show)


If you are interested in purchasing any of the books we have recommended in this episode, please consider using our affiliate link at Bookshop.org! 

Feb 02, 202201:17:46
The Survival Story of Ada Blackjack

The Survival Story of Ada Blackjack

In this week's episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the Arctic survival story of Ada Blackjack. 

Ada was a young, single mother living in Nome, Alaska when she was approached about joining an expedition to uninhabited Wrangel Island. The Inupiat woman was told she would live among other Inuit families as they assisted a crew of four explorers who were colonizing the remote island under the command of famous Arctic explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson. Instead, Blackjack found herself the only woman alongside a small crew of very inexperienced young men. What followed was two years of incredible survival in one of the most inhospitable landscapes on the globe. By the time the rescue ship reached Wrangel Island, Ada Blackjack was the lone survivor of the expedition. 

What we are reading: 

-The Good, the Bad, and the Dumped by Jenny Colgan

-Book Lovers by Emily Henry 

-When You Get the Chance by Emma Lord

Recommendations:

-Ada Blackjack: A True Story of Survival in the Arctic by Jennifer Nivens

-Marooned in the Arctic: The True Story of Ada Blackjack, the 'Female Robinson Crusoe' by Peggy Caravantes

-A Line of Driftwood: The Ada Blackjack Story by Diane Glancy

-How to Survive in the North by Luke Healy

-How the Penguins Saved Veronica by Hazel Prior

-The Arctic Fury by Greer Macallister

Jan 26, 202201:28:54
A Day in the Life of a Victorian [Special Re-release]

A Day in the Life of a Victorian [Special Re-release]

Hello, friends! This is Katie. Thank you so much for joining us here on The Reference Desk.Hailee and I started working on this podcast over a year ago as a way to connect during what we thought was going to be the end of a pandemic. It’s seriously been so amazing having this time with my best friend, and all of you each week. For my special re-release, I selected an episode from the first half of our first season, and I cannot believe how far we have come since then. I REALLY can’t believe that you all stuck with us despite the fact that it sounded like I was calling in on a Nokia from the middle of a cornfield. I mean….I kind of was.

I chose this episode where Hailee covers Victorian customs and entertainment because it is just SO Hailee. She could have easily been a Victorian, eating her picnics in the cemetery by day and holding seances by night. It also taught me my favorite ever exercise, arm waving. So, without further ado, here is Hailee, telling us what it was like to spend a day in the life of a Victorian, and me, commenting from the bottom of a well.

Jan 19, 202201:01:36
Ayahuasca [Special Re-Upload]

Ayahuasca [Special Re-Upload]

We are at just over 11K plays which is just astonishing, thank you all so much for your support! It seems like we also have some new listeners, so we thought it would be fun to go through our back catalog of episodes and each pick a favorite that the other host has done.
Hailee chose an episode this week that she thinks is different than almost any of the other episodes. She found it fascinating and had so much fun listening to Katie talk about this topic. Plus, it has one of her all-time favorite moments in the history of the podcast, a discussion on the choice of colored bucket to expel your guts into. So, if this is your first time listening, or even if you are listening again, please enjoy Katie telling us all about Ayahuasca!
Jan 12, 202201:04:10
The Disappearance of Amelia Earhart
Jan 05, 202201:45:53
The Trial of Josh Duggar

The Trial of Josh Duggar

In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie gives up a Duggar family update in the form of an in-depth journey through Josh Duggar's recent CSAM trial. 

Josh Duggar has a long history of horrific behavior, from admitting to sexual abuse as a teen, to cheating on his wife, Anna, to admitting to a pornography addiction. But through it all, he has remained Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar's golden child, the chosen son. In November of 2019, Homeland Security discovered Duggar had been accessing child sexual abuse materials on his work computer, and he has since been charged and convicted on two counts of receiving and possessing CSAM. It appears that the clouds of delusion, may finally be lifting within the Duggar family regarding Josh's crimes, as evidenced by the stark statements issued by his siblings and parents in the wake of his conviction. We'll talk about what's next for Josh Duggar, and give some recommendations for our favorite female-centered, cult-related literature. 

Books recommended on this episode (available in our bookshop): 

Go Tell the Bees That I Am Gone by Diana Gabaldon

Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement by Kathryn Joyce

The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism by Katherine Stewart

The Unlikely Disciple: A Sinner's Semester at America's Holiest University by Kevin Roose

Shiner by Amy Jo Burns

We Can Only Save Ourselves by Alison Wisdom

Gather the Daughters by Jennie Melamed

Links: 

Trial timeline

Jim Bob's bizarre testimony

Arkansas-based coverage of the trial 

Dillard family's statement

Jim Bob and Michelle's statement

Dec 29, 202101:21:24
John Harvey Kellogg

John Harvey Kellogg

In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the strange medical inventions and treatments of John Harvey Kellogg at his Battle Creek Sanitarium. 

John Harvey Kellogg was a Seventh Day Adventist darling who gained directorship over their medical facility in mid-Michigan just a year after becoming a doctor. What followed was Kellogg becoming the face of modern medicine, beloved by America for bringing a renaissance of health. But behind the famous celebrities and politicians that flocked to his facility is a darker story. Kellogg fought with his brother until his death, completed horrific surgeries on children in the effort to stop the "evil vice," and was a staunch eugenicist who fought to create a national race register. 

Books mentioned in this episode (available at our bookshop):

Dr. John Harvey Kellogg and the Region of Biologic Living by Brian C. Wilson

The Kelloggs: The Battling Brothers of Battle Creek by Howard Markel

The Sawbones Book: The Hilarious, Horrifying Road to Modern Medicine by Dr. Sydnee McElroy, Justin McElroy

The Road to Wellville by T.C. Boyle

The Second Life of Mirielle West by Amanda Skenadore

The Pull of the Stars by Emma Donoghue 

The House of God by Samuel Shem

Links: 

The Secret Ingredient in Kellogg's Corn Flakes is Seventh-Day Adventism

Dr. John Kellogg Invented Cereal. Some of His Other Wellness Ideas Were Much Weirder

John Harvey Kellogg's Legacy of Cereal, Sociopathy, and Sexual Mutilation 

The Wild Story Of John Harvey Kellogg, The Eccentric Wellness Guru Who Invented Corn Flakes

Dec 22, 202101:25:54
The Hicks Clinic

The Hicks Clinic

This week, Hailee talks about the Hicks Clinic, a small, community clinic in McCaysville, GA where a doctor sold over 200 babies and performed illegal abortions, sometimes against the will of the mother, in the 50s and 60s. 

Links:

A History Not Yet Laid to Rest - The Atlantic

How Many Babies Did Thomas Hicks Put Up for Adoption? - heavy.

'Hicks Baby' Adoptee Sold by Georgia Doctor 50 Years Ago Reunites With Birth Mother, Brother - ABC News

‘Black market baby’ meets biological father in Gallatin - Gallatin News

Black Market Babies Reunited After More Than 50 Years - New York Post

ReproductiveRights.org - World Abortion Laws

What If Roe Fell? Interactive US Map from Reproductive Rights

Abortion Access - Planned Parenthood

Recommended Media

Television

  • Taken at Birth - TLC docuseries, available on Discovery+

Books

Non-Fiction

  • Taken at Birth by Jane Blasio
  • American baby: a mother, a child, and the shadow history of adoption by Gabrielle Glaser
  • Booth Girls: pregnancy, adoption, and the secrets we kept by Kim Heikkila
  • The girls who went away: the hidden history of women who surrendered children for adoption in the decades before Roe v. Wade by Ann Fessler
  • Before and After: the Incredible Real-Life Stories of Orphans Who Survived the Tennessee Children's Home Society by Judy Christie and Lisa Wingate

Fiction

  • Before We Were Yours by Lisa Wingate

If you are interested in purchasing any of the books mentioned in this episode, please check out our affiliate shop on Bookshop.org!

Dec 15, 202101:24:52
Anna Delvey (Anna Sorokin)
Dec 08, 202101:12:18
The New England Vampire Panic
Dec 02, 202101:05:16
The True Story of the First Thanksgiving

The True Story of the First Thanksgiving

In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched with the true story of the "first Thanksgiving."

American schools have long taught about the history of Thanksgiving with cringe-worthy pageants and re-enactments of happy pilgrims and Indians gathered around a table. In reality, the shared meal we've dubbed the "first Thanksgiving" was a pure coincidence of Wampanoag warriors joining in a meal they happened upon while expecting to find a full-scale battle. (why else would the woods be full of gunshots?!) The tenuous relationship between the colonizers and Indigenous people of New England quickly deteriorated after the feast, and what ensued was near total decimation of Indigenous life, land, and culture. After an accurate retelling of the accidental party, we share some suggestions on how to de-colonize your Thanksgiving celebration, as well as recommended books by Indigenous authors. 

Recommended titles (available in our bookshop):

All These Bodies by Kendare Blake

This Land is Their Land: The Wampanoag Indians, Plymouth Colony, and the Troubled History of Thanksgiving by David J. Silverman

Dreaming in Indian: Contemporary Native American Voices by Lisa Charleyboy and Mary Beth Leatherdale

Eyes Bottle Drunk with a Mouthful of Flowers by Jake Sheets

There There by Tommy Orange

The Round House by Louise Edrich

1612: A New Look at Thanksgiving by Catherine O'Neill Grace

Giving Thanks: A Native American Good Morning Message by Jake Swamp

We Are Grateful: Otashlihelgia by Traci Sorell

My Heart Fills With Happiness by Monique Gray Smith

Links: 

Indigenous Digital Archive Treaties Explorer

6 Native Leaders on What it Would Look Like if the U.S. Kept its Promises

Native Land Digital


Nov 24, 202101:28:27
The Houses of Refuge and the United States Life Saving Service

The Houses of Refuge and the United States Life Saving Service

This week, Hailee is bewitched with something she stumbled upon during a recent trip to Florida: Houses of Refuge and the United States Life Saving Services. According to Martin County Historical Society, the Houses of Refuge were designated as havens for shipwrecked sailors and travelers along the sparsely populated Atlantic coastline of Florida. Run by the United States Lifesaving Service, the Houses played a critical role in a time when sailing ships dominated world commerce. Over their years of operation, the Lifesaving Service saved over 100,000 people and was the start of the Coast Guard.

Links:

House of Refuge Museum

US Life-Saving Service Heritage Association


Books Mentioned:

  • A History of the World in Sixteen Shipwrecks by Stewart Gordon
  • Sinking the Sultana: A Civil War Story of Imprisonment, Greed, and a Doomed Journey Home by Sally M. Walker
  • The Perfect Storm: A True Story of Men Against the Sea by Sebastian Junger
  • Ghosts of the Treasure Coast by Patrick and Patricia Mesmer
  • In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex by Nathaniel Philbrick
  • Salt to the Sea by Ruta Sepetys
  • The Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon 
  • Small Town Monsters by Diana Rodriguez Wallach 

If you are interested in purchasing any of these titles, please use our affiliate link through bookshop.org!  

Nov 17, 202101:17:04
Carry A. Nation
Nov 10, 202101:12:52
Mini Spookysode #4: The Origins and History of Halloween
Oct 27, 202101:00:54
Mini Spookysode #3: The Soap-Maker of Correggio

Mini Spookysode #3: The Soap-Maker of Correggio

In this week's mini spookysode, Katie is bewitched by the soap-maker of Correggio. 

When fortune-teller Leonarda Cianciulli set up shop in the tiny Italian town of Correggio, luck for the local women seemed to change. Leonarda helped them find new jobs, new loves, and new adventures. But their families never heard from then again, save a couple of letters telling them they'd left town for good. When one missing woman's sister-in-law began poking around, she discovered a vat of secrets in Leonarda's bubbling cauldron. 

Oct 20, 202140:06
Mini Spookysode #2: The Legend of the Bell Witch

Mini Spookysode #2: The Legend of the Bell Witch

This week, Hailee is bewitched with the legend of the Bell Witch.

The Bell Witch is a menacing spirit that haunted the Bell family in Addams, Tennessee for years. Beginning with unexplained noises and sightings of strange creatures, the haunting soon escalated to physical torments and is said to be one of the only cases in which a spirit has caused the death of a person.

Oct 13, 202144:21
Mini Spookysode #1: What happens to your body after you die?

Mini Spookysode #1: What happens to your body after you die?

This week, Katie is bewitched with what happens to your body after you die. 

From the time you take your last breath to the time your placed in the ground or an urn, the process and care your human form receives is something of a mystery. Mortuary science is a secretive field, and few people know what goes on behind the scenes in a funeral home. The air of mystery surrounding the very natural end of life only adds to the general fear of death. In this episode, we take you through the process your earthly remains will go through from their transport to the morgue to their final resting place, be that a cemetery or deepest space. 



Oct 06, 202152:44
We're Back!

We're Back!

We are back! Join us as we chat about what we have been doing, what we have been reading and what we have been watching during our short break. Plus, find out what we will be up to next and when to look forward to new episodes of The Reference Desk! 

Sep 29, 202134:56
Titanic (part 2)

Titanic (part 2)

This week Katie and Hailee continue to be bewitched by the Titanic. 

In the second half of this two-part series, we go minute-by-minute through the timeline of the sinking and bemoan all the mistakes that led to the massive loss of life. We also discuss the aftermath of the tragedy, including its influence on pop culture and the completely bizarre salvage plans that were cooked up through the decades to drag the wreck out of the depths of the ocean...before it was even discovered in 1985! We also talk about some myths associated with Titanic, and explore some shipwreck-related ghost stories. 

This will be the concluding episode for our first season. We cannot thank you enough for your support and listenership. We're already hard to work researching for season 2! 

Books mentioned in this episode (all can be purchased in our bookshop):

Fear Street Series by R.L. Stine

The Loss of the SS Titanic by Lawrence Beesley

The Truth About the Titanic by Archibald Gracie

Titanic and Other Ships by Charles Lightoller

A Night to Remember by Walter Lord

The Discovery of the Titanic by Robert Ballard

The Wreck of the Titan: Futility by Morgan Robertson

The Midnight Watch by David Dyer

Women and Children First by Gill Paul

The Watch That Ends the Night by Allan Wolf

The Deep by Alma Katsu

882 1/2 Amazing Answers to Your Questions About the Titanic by Hugh Brewster and Laurie Coulter

History Smashers: The Titanic by Kate Messner

Titanic: A Journey Through Time by John P. Eaton and Charles A. Haas

Links: 

British Wreck Commissioner's Inquiry

US Senate Titanic Disaster Hearings

Titanic Conspiracy Theories

Jul 21, 202102:30:38
Titanic (part 1)
Jul 14, 202102:16:03
The Amityville Horror (part 2)
Jul 07, 202101:37:53
The Amityville Horror (part 1)
Jun 30, 202101:12:01
The Duggar Family (part 2)

The Duggar Family (part 2)

In this week’s episode, Katie continues to be bewitched by the Duggar family.

Part two of our expose on one of the world’s most famous mega-families will reveal the Duggars’ long list of scandals. From transphobic tweets that result in members being removed from filming, to infidelity, corporal punishment, and misuse of charity funds, we look at the moments that shook the foundation of the Duggar fanbase.

We also devote some time to the most disappointing Duggar of all, Joshua. Josh’s long history of alarming and destructive behaviors have finally caught up to him in a way that can’t be quietly solved with a trip to a prayer-based “recovery center.” We’ll pinpoint all the red flags and utter failures along the way.

Recommended titles (all available in our bookshop):

Love Makes a Family by Sophie Beer

Felix Ever After by Kacen Callender

The Queen's English: The LGBTQIA+ Dictionary of Lingo and Colloquial Phrases by Chloe O. Davis

Real Queer America: LGBT Stories from Red States by Samantha Allen

Drama by Raina Telgemeier

Lumberjane series by Noelle Stevenson, Shannon Watters, and Brooke Allen

Julian is a Mermaid by Jessica Love

Educated by Tara Westover

Stolen Innocence: My Story of Growing Up in a Polygamous Sect, Becoming a Teenage Bride, and Breaking Free of Warren Jeffs by Elissa Wall and Lisa Pulitzer

Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith by Jon Krakauer

Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as one of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lives to Take it All (Or Almost All) of it Back by Frank Schaeffer

The Patron Saint of Butterflies by Cecilia Galante

The Incendiaries by R.O. Kwon

The Leftovers by Tom Perrotta

Survivor by Chuck Palahniuk

Links:

Counting On: The 10 Biggest Scandals that Have Rocked the Duggar Family

TLC Severs Ties with Derick Dillard Following More Tweets about Jazz Jennings

Timeline: Duggar Sex-Abuse Scandal

Family Values Activist Josh Duggar Had a Paid Ashely Madison Account


Jun 23, 202101:30:46
The Duggar Family (part 1)

The Duggar Family (part 1)

In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the Duggar Family. 

To their adoring fans, the Duggar family is a close-knit, super-sized Christian family intent on raising their brood under a stringent set of beliefs and rules. But when we dig below the surface, we find so much more. From their affiliation with Bill Gothard’s predatory Institute of Basic Life Principles, to their deeply sexist rules for their daughters, to their bizarre and troubling homeschool curriculum, the Duggar family’s problems run deeper than just floor-length denim skirts and parent-supervised dates.

Join us in this first part of a two-episode look at everything you wish you didn’t know about the Duggar family.

Recommended titles (available at our bookshop):

What Riley Wore by Elana K. Arnold and Linda Davick

All Out: The No-Longer-Secret Stories of Queer Teens Throughout the Ages by Saundra Mitchell

This is How it Always Is by Laurie Frankel

Simon Vs. The Homosapien's Agenda by Becky Albertalli

Leah on the Offbeat by Becky Albertalli

Kate in Waiting by Becky Albertalli

You Should See Me in a Crown by Leah Johnson

Links: 

Can Taking the Pill Cause a Miscarriage?

A Comprehensive Guide to the Duggar Family

Bill Gothard's Lawsuit

'Counting On': How Did the Duggar Family Get on Television?

What Church Do the Duggars Go To?

Institute in Basic Life Principles (hot garbage dump)

Here's How the Duggars Really Make Their Money

The Fundamentalist Trap

Duggar Family Rules

The Fundamentally Toxic Christianity

The Cult Next Door (all about IBLP and super creep Bill Gothard)

ATI Homeschool Curriculum Preview 

Duggar Family Website/Blog

Jun 16, 202101:27:48
Legends and Lore Behind Cursed Films

Legends and Lore Behind Cursed Films

Jun 09, 202101:21:38
Myths and Legends of Disney World

Myths and Legends of Disney World

In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched by the myths and legends of Walt Disney World.

Known around the globe as “the happiest place on Earth,” Disney World Resort in Orlando, Florida is a vacation destination like no other. This sprawling property is home to four unique theme parks, a host of themed accommodations, hundreds of restaurants, and a world of carefully-curated experiences. But are there secrets lurking beneath the surface?

Was Walt Disney cryogenically frozen and kept in suspended animation beneath one of his most beloved attractions?

Is an uncontainable flesh-eating bacteria the real reason for the sudden, quiet closure of a wildly popular water park? And is it true that no one dies on Disney property? We explore these myths and more in this magical episode.

Recommended Titles available at our bookshop

Manacled by SenLinYu

Disney War by James B. Stewart

It’s Kind of a Cute Story by Rolly Crump and Jeff Heimbuch

The Disney Story: Chronicling the Man, the Mouse, and the Parks  by Aaron H. Goldberg

The Art of Disney Costuming: Heroes, Villains, and Spaces Between by Jeff Kurtti

Maps of the Disney Parks: Charting 60 Years from California to Shanghaiby Kevin and Susan Neary

Cleaning the Kingdom: Insider Tales of Keeping Walt’s Dream Spotless by Ken Pellman and Lynn Barron

Ink and Paint: The Women of Walt Disney’s Animation by Mindy Johnson

Secret Stories of Walt Disney World series by Jim Korkis

The Kingdom Keeper series by Ridley Pearson.

Dream Factory by Brad Barkley and Heather Hepler

Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom by Cory Doctorow

Links: 

Abandoned: The Rise, Fall and Decay of Disney's River Country

Is Walt Disney's Body Frozen?

List of Incidents at Walt Disney World

The Inside Story Of Walt Disney’s Secret Tunnels Beneath The Magic Kingdom

Park Secrets Disney Doesn't Want You to Know

Fact Check: Does No One Ever Die at Disney Parks?

Fact Check: Was Walt Disney Frozen?

25 Secrets About Disney World The Execs Would Never Tell Us

Jun 02, 202101:15:01
The Culper Ring and George Washington’s Spies

The Culper Ring and George Washington’s Spies

In this episode, Hailee is bewitched with the Culper Ring, George Washington's secret spy ring credited with turning the course of the war and enabling an American victory

The Culper Spy Ring operated successfully in and around New York City for five years and the informants were never discovered. Even George Washington himself was unaware of their identities. Along with spies like Hercules Mulligan and James Armistead, the Culper Ring was responsible for preventing the plan of one of history’s most notorious traitors and saving George Washington’s life more than once. And yes, there will be Hamilton quotes.

For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.

Recommended Media

  • TURN, AMC
  • Decoded - History Channel
  • George Washington's Secret Six: The Spy Ring That Saved the American Revolution by Brian Kilmeade and David Yeager
  • Washington's Spies: The Story of America's First Spy Ring by Alexander Rose
  • Agent 355 by Marie Benedict (Audible original)
  • George Washington, Spymaster by Thomas B. Allen
  • Nathan Hale’s Hazardous Tales by Nathan Hale
  • Rebel Spy by Veronica Rossi

If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop

Links

https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/culper-spy-ring/

https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/culper-spy-ring

https://explorethearchive.com/the-culper-ring

https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/american-revolution-history

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Culper-Spy-Ring

May 26, 202101:08:44
The Polio Epidemic and Vaccines

The Polio Epidemic and Vaccines

This week, Katie is bewitched with the polio epidemic and vaccines.

As the U.S. takes its first tentative steps toward post-COVID life with the massive roll-out of vaccines, Katie takes time to reflect on another virus that changed our world: polio. For decades, parents lived in fear of summer- time polio outbreaks. Children went from happy and healthy to iron lungs in a matter of days. As a result, public pools closed. Adolescents were banned from movie theaters, and parents everywhere hoped and prayed for a vaccine that would keep their children safe. The Polio vaccines continue to provide relief from this debilitating virus all over the world. Will we allow the COVID vaccines to do their work, too?

Recommended books (all can be found in our bookshop):

A Head Full of Ghosts by Paul Tremblay

Growing Things by Paul Tremblay

The Royal We series by Heather Cocks and Jessica Morgan

Polio: An American Story by David M. Oshinsky

The Cutter Incident: How America’s First Polio Vaccine Led to the Growing Vaccine Crisis by Paul A. Offit

The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks by Rebecca Skloot

Three Minutes for a Dog: My Life in an Iron Lung by Paul R. Alexander

Nemesis by Philip Roth

The Stolen Marriage by Diane Chamberlain

Severance by Ling Ma

Links: 

History Does Repeat Itself: Lessons from the Polio Vaccine

Parents PACK Personal Stories-Polio

Why 'New' COVID-19 Vaccine Side Effects Are Totally Expected

The Cutter Incident: How America's First Polio Vaccine Led to a Growing Vaccine Crisis

History of Polio

Polio Timeline

How We Know the COVID Vaccine Won't Have Long Term Side Effects

Our Progress Against Polio

Polio Survivor Stories

Polio Survivor Stories II

Polio through History

The Man in the Iron Lung

Race and the Politics of Polio: Warm Springs, Tuskegee, and the March of Dimes

Vaccine Types

May 19, 202101:25:45
Victorian Customs and Entertainment

Victorian Customs and Entertainment

In this episode, Hailee is bewitched by the customs, entertainment, and daily lives of the Victorians.

The victorian period is named after for reign of Queen Victoria encompassing the span of history between 1837-1901. During this time, Brittain and the United States were experiencing the first Industrial Revolution. Also during this time, Alexander Graham Bell invents the telephone, Florence Nightingale revolutionizes the nursing field with her sanitary practices, Charles Dickens is the shit - the most popular author of the time, Charles Darwin writes the Origin of the species, Jack the Ripper is stalking the streets of London.

And there is an incredibly high mortality rate which is why much of what the Victorians did for entertainment focuses on death. From disgustingly elaborate breakfasts to seances and anthropomorphic taxidermy and hair jewelry, the Victorians were certainly a strange bunch. 

Recommended Media
  • The Boy in the Red Dress by Kristin Lambert 
  • The Alice Network by Kate Quinn
  • Outlander Series by Diana Gabaldon
  • Victorian Farm - BBC show
  • Floriography by Jessica Roux
  • How to Be a Victorian: A Dawn-to-Dusk Guide to Victorian Life by Ruth Goodman
  • Alias Grace by Margaret Atwood
  • The Essex Serpent by Sarah Perry 
  • The Silent Companions by Lucy Parcell

If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop

Links

Brief history of the Victorian Era

How People in the Victorian Era Spent Their Free Time - Weird History, YouTube

Archive of primary texts about all manner of Victorian topics

Victorian Farm - BBC show

Callisthenics for Ladies

Death Photography

May 12, 202101:16:14
The Survival Story of Jose Salvador Alvarenga

The Survival Story of Jose Salvador Alvarenga

In this week's episode, Katie is bewitched by the incredible survival story of Jose Salvador Alvarenga. In November 2012, Alvarenga headed out on a fishing trip despite warnings of a storm brewing. The routine trip soon turned life-threatening when engine failure and rough seas dragged Alvarenga and his mate, 22-year-old Ezequiel Cordoba, deep into the Pacific Ocean. For 438 days, Alvarenga survived at sea before washing ashore on the Marshall Islands. Alvarenga's survival is a story of incredible skill, intelligence, and sheer luck. In this episode we examine the psychological and physical obstacles Alvarenga overcame to become the first man to survive for over a year alone in the Pacific Ocean. 

Recommended books (all can be found in our bookshop):

 We are Not Free by Traci Chee 

Healthier Together by Liz Moody

 At Home: A Short History of Private Life by Bill Bryson

 438 Days: An Extraordinary True Story of Survival at Sea by Jonathan Franklin

 Into Thin Air: A Personal Account of the Mount Everest Disaster by John Krakauer

 Into the Wild by John Krakauer

 In the Heart of the Sea: The Tragedy of the Whaleship Essex by Nathaniel Philbrick

 A Walk in the Woods: Rediscovering America on the Appalachian Trail by Bill Bryson 

SAS Survival Handbook: The Ultimate Guide to Surviving Anywhere by John “Lofty” Williams 

The Martian by Andy Weir 

The Children’s Blizzard by Melanie Benjamin

 Hatchet by Gary Paulsen

 My Side of the Mountain by Jean Craighead George

 Island of the Blue Dolphins by Scott O’Dell 


May 05, 202101:45:26
Sleepwalking

Sleepwalking

This week, Hailee is bewitched with the strange, funny, sometimes deadly behaviors of people who sleepwalk. 

Sleepwalking is a behavior disorder that originates during deep sleep and results in walking or performing other complex behaviors while still mostly asleep. Listen this week as Hailee discusses some funny sleepwalking stories, including some sleep talking stories from her husband, as well as the science behind what goes on in our brains during sleep. And of course, she discusses some sleepwalking murders, as well. 


Titles recommended in this episode:

  • The Rise and Fall of Charles Lindbergh by Candace Fleming
  • Sloth Wasn't Sleepy by Kate Messner, illustrated by Valentina Toro
  • Dreamland: adventures in the strange science of sleep by David Randall.
  • I have struck Mrs. Cochran with a stake: sleepwalking, insanity, and the trial of Abraham Prescott by Leslie Rounds

If you’re interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop

Links

Celinaspookyboo

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201212/sleep-driving-and-sleep-killing

https://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/sleep/articles/2009/05/08/7-criminal-cases-that-invoked-the-sleepwalking-defense

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-case-of-the-sleepwalking-killer-77584095/

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sleepwalking/symptoms-causes/syc-20353506

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alivelez/weird-sleepwalking-stories

https://www.sleepcycle.com/how-sleep-cycle-works/

CAWPILE Book Rating System with reading log

Bookriot Reading Log

Apr 28, 202101:07:56
Mackinac Island

Mackinac Island

In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched with Mackinac Island.

Nestled in the cold, deep waters between the upper and lower pennisulas of Michigan lies the idyllic and picturesque Mackinac Island. What was once a beloved spot for indigenous people evolved into a fur trader’s outpost, a military stronghold, and eventually the tourist destination we know today. From it’s unique ban on automobiles to its Victorian-era flagship hotel, this gem of an island transports its visitor’s back in time.

Let’s explore its unique history, fascinating year-round lifestyle, and it’s darkest haunts.

For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.

Recommended titles: 

The Watch That Ends the Night by Allan Wolf

Beauty Mark by Carole Boston Weatherford

Outlander by Diana Gabaldon

What We Don't Talk About When We Talk About Fat by Aubrey Gordon

Secrets of Mackinac Island series by Katie Winters

The Pink Pony: Murder on Mackinac Island by Charles Cutter

Snowed In by Rachel Hawthorne

Timeless: Inside Mackinac Island's Historic Cottages by Moira Croghan, Mark Bearss

Haunts of Mackinac: Ghost Stories, Legends and Tragic Tales of Mackinac Island by Todd Clements

Mackinac Island: It's History in Pictures by Eugene T. Peterson

If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop

Links: 

@BaileyyJanette on TikTok

@megsonmackinac on TikTok

Voice of Mackinac Island

Lore episode 91: Beneath the Surface

Your Haunted Holiday episode 57: The Grand Hotel

Haunted Places: Mackinac Island

Straits Pride

Mackinac Artists Market

Mackinac Bands of Chippewa and Ottawa Indians

The Island Bookstore

Harry Potter and the Sacred Text

The Real Question

The Grand Hotel

10 Things You Might Not Know About Mackinac Island's Grand Hotel

Remembering Mackinac Island's Agatha Biddle

Winter Life on Mackinac Island

Island Living: For Mackinac Full-timers, a Different Way of Life

Spend the Night at Michigan's Most Haunted Hotel

Apr 21, 202101:20:39
The Donner Party

The Donner Party

This week, Hailee is bewitched by the tragic fate of the Donner Party.  Literally every conceivable thing went wrong for this rag-tag group of travelers. Pioneers traveling the Oregon trail were inspired by the promise of free land in California and Oregon. Spurred on by what journalist John L. O’Sullivan coined Manifest Destiny, and encouraged by President Polk who was so singular in his focus of owning the western part of the United States he started the Mexican American war, these settlers thought it was their Divine right to journey west and claim the land for themselves. They were promised acres of good, farmable land by the Westward Expansion organizations, never minding that most of California was still owned by Mexico and, of course, hundreds, maybe thousands of indigenous people already called the land home. Hoping to take a newly "discovered" shortcut that would supposedly shave off 300 miles of their journey, the Donner party unfortunately ended up trapped in the Sierra Nevadas in feet of snow and very quickly began to starve.

Titles recommended in this episode:

  • The Snow Fell Three Graves Deep by Allen Roth
  • The Hunger by Alma Katsu
  • To Stay Alive: Mary Ann Graves and the Tragic Journey of the Donner Party by Skila Brown
  • Daughters Unto Devils by Amy Lukavics
  • The Best Land Under Heaven: The Donner Party in the Age of Manifest Destiny by Michael Wallis
  • The Indifferent Stars Above: The Harrowing Saga of a Donner Party Bride by Daniel James Brown

If you’re interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop

Links

For a full list of the members of the Donner Party as well as their fate, click here.

Pay the Oregon Trail game!
This amazing website has complete biographies of most of the Donner Party, maps, family trees and so much more. Wonderful.

In 2020, a group of snow hikers attempted to take the same path as the Forlorn Hope Expedition. Track their journey here.


For a full list of our sources and show notes, check out our website!

Apr 14, 202102:00:19
Debutantes of the London Social Season

Debutantes of the London Social Season

In this episode, Katie is bewitched with the debutantes of the London social season. 

Since the late 1700s, Britain's most eligible young ladies have been presented to society during London's social season. Providing the framework for our favorite novels like Pride and Prejudice, debutante society hides a deeply problematic world of sexism, racism, classism, and more. In this deep-dive into the beginnings and evolution of this bizarre ritual, we explore the realm of the ultra-exclusive debutante social scene. 

For more information, and a list of all our sources, visit our website. 

Titles recommended in this episode: 

The Season: A Social History of the Debutante by Kristen Richardson

The Husband Hunters: Social Climbing in London and New York by Anne de Courcy and Clare Corbett

Women of Means: The Fascinating Biographies of Royals, Heiresses, Eccentrics, and Other Poor Little Rich Girls by Margaret Wagman-Gellar

The Bridgertons Series by Julia Quinn

Belgravia by Julian Fellowes

The American Heiress by Daisy Goodwin

The Debutantes series by Jennifer Lynn Barnes

If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop

Links:

The 10 Dos and Don’ts of Etiquette to Become a Lady in Regency England

Debutante balls and the persistent obsession with the purity of young women

Queer in the Regency: a Slice of Once-Hidden LGBT History

Gender roles in the 19th century

Love and Courtship in Regency England

The London Season

The Racist History of Prom

The Curious Plight of the Modern Debutante

The History of British Slave Ownership Has Been Buried

'Princess Seraphina' Steps Out at Vauxhill Gardens

A Survivor's Guide to Georgian Marriage


Apr 07, 202101:22:30
Rock myths, legends, and curses

Rock myths, legends, and curses

In this episode, Hailee is bewitched with rock and roll myths, legends and curses.  Who created Rock and Roll? It’s a question that has been heavily debated and there are many possible answers. Rock has certainly had a very turbulent history. Close calls, plane crashes, heavy use of drugs and alcohol, mysterious deaths, just to name a few. Join us this week as week as Hailee tells the tale of Robert Johnson who may have sold his soul at the crossroads to become an amazing musician, the 27 club, which claims the lives of numerous rock and roll legends at the age of 27 and the Buddy Holly Curse. For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.  Recommended titles: One to Watch by Kate Stayman-London Take a Walk on the Dark Side: Rock and Roll Myths, Legends, and Curses by R. Gary Patterson What We Don't Talk about When We Talk about Fat by Aubrey Gordon The Day you Begin by Jacqueline Woodson Jookin': The Rise of Social Dance Formations in African-American Culture by Katrina Hazzard-Gordon The Walrus Was Paul: The Great Beatle Death Clues by R. Gary Patterson Escaping the Delta: Robert Johnson and the Invention of the Blues by Elijah Wald Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll by the editors of Rolling Stone The Devil and the Bluebird by Jennifer Mason-Black  If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop.  Links: Netflix documentary - ReMastered: Devil at the Crossroads Robert Johnson Biography
Mar 31, 202101:33:56
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Mar 24, 202151:00
Ayahuasca

Ayahuasca

In this episode, Katie is bewitched with the psychedelic drug ayahuasca.

Deep in the Amazon basin of South America, indigenous people rely on the wisdom of the sacred ayahuasca brew, a psychoactive drink. For centuries, this medicine has guided and healed those who partake in its sacred ritual. Traditionally, a trained shaman guides their community members through the ritual, but Westerners want in, too.

For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website

Recommended titles: 

Songteller by Dolly Parton

Cravings by Chrissy Teigen

Cravings: Hungry for More by Chrissy Teigen

The Little Blue Cottage by Kelly Jordan and Jessica Courtney-Tickle

Miss Rumphius by Barbara Cooney

You Are Your Child's First Teacher by Rahima Baldwin Dancy

Ayahuasca in my Blood: Twenty-five Years of Medicine Dreaming by Peter Gorman

Ayahuasca Visions: The Religious Iconography of a Peruvian Shaman by Pablo Amaringo and Luis Eduardo Luna

Nine Perfect Strangers by Liane Moriarty

Fitness Junkie by Lucy Sykes and Jo Piazza

If you're interested in purchasing the books mentioned in this episode, visit our bookshop.org affiliate shop

Links: 

The Brutal Mirror

Ayahuasca Research

Why You Will Never Get a Traditional Ayahuasca Treatment

What's a "Traditional" Ayahuasca Ceremony?

How Can You Drink Ayahuasca Legally in the US?

Ayahuasca: The Dark Side and Dangers

The Colonization of the Ayahuasca Experience

Cultural Context and the Beneficial Applications of Ayahuasca


Mar 17, 202101:02:57
The Incubator Babies of Coney Island
Mar 10, 202146:16
Frank Abagnale, Jr.
Mar 03, 202101:16:16
The Salem Witch Trials
Feb 24, 202101:04:49
The WPA Packhorse Library

The WPA Packhorse Library

In this episode of The Reference Desk, Katie is bewitched with the WPA Packhorse Library.

As part of FDR's New Deal, the Works Progress Administration provided employment for millions of Americans struggling with the effects of the Great Depression. In the most remote pockets of Appalachia, the WPA Packhorse Library Program delivered books by horse to thousands of nearly-inaccessible homes and hollers.

This episode details the history and impact of the WPA Packhorse Library program, and provides book recommendations for listeners interested in emerging themselves even further into the bizarre and beautiful piece of American history.

For more information and a full list of our sources, visit our website.

Books recommended: 

Miss Dorothy and her Bookmobile by Gloria Houston and Susan Condie Lamb

My Librarian is a Camel by Margriet Ruurs

Biblioburro by Jeanette Winter

That Book Woman by Heather Henson and David Small

Ramp Hollow: The Ordeal of Appalachia by Steven Stoll

Wednesday's Children by Kathryn Anne Michaels

What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia by Elizabeth Catte

Down Cut Shin Creek by Kathi Appelt and Jeanne Cannella Schmitzer

Library on Wheels by Sharlee Glenn

The Uncommon Reader by Alan Bennett

The Little Paris Bookshop by Nina George

The Bookshop on the Corner by Jenny Colgan

The Librarian of Boone's Hollow by Kim Vogel Sawyer

The Book Women of Troublesome Creek by Kim Michele Richardson

The Giver of Stars by Jojo Moyes

To buy books mentioned in this episode: Bookshop.org

Links: 

Horse-Riding Librarians Were the Great Depression's Bookmobiles

Culture, Poverty, and Education in Appalachian Kentucky

A History of US Public Libraries Exhibit

New Deal

In 1932, Works Program Spelled HOPE for Millions of Jobless Americans

Where is Appalachia?

Feb 17, 202143:40
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Feb 10, 202101:02