Whose Song Is It Anyway?

This special epsisode for the finale of this season was recorded live at the Houses of Parliament with a panel of incredible women Brix Smith, Katie Waissel and Charlene Brown at a Whose Song is it Anyway? event. Pictures of the event are here: https://shorturl.at/mqHL6 To hear about future events follow Hayleigh on social media, or email whosesongisitanyway@gmail.com Thanks for listening to this season and sharing the epsiodes, hope you have enjoyed it and we will be back next year with something new! Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://shorturl.at/ezLX4 This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

Eve Horne - singer, songwriter, producer, executive director of the Music Producers Guild, founder of the Unheard Academy where she teaches female and non-binary people music production, and the host of the We Are The Unheard Podcast, amongst other things!  In this episode we talk about Eve’s journey from BRIT School, being signed, touring with a girl group, to leaving the music industry and then returning with a massive come back and now doing all. the. things! Eve also talks about her recent ADHD and autism diagnosis.  https://wearetheunheard.com/ https://www.instagram.com/eve_horne/?hl=en-gb https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/we-are-the-unheard/id1599492855 Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://shorturl.at/ezLX4 This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

*trigger warning* mentions reports of sexism and misogyny from Musicians' Union members, including sexual harassment and sexual assault. Naomi Pohl is the General Secretary of the Musicians' Union, a trade union for professional musicians in the UK. Naomi is the first women to hold this position in the MU. We talk about her experience of being the first and being a woman in a position of leadership, the specific pressures and challenges faced by women in leadership as well as generally by the MU membership. Naomi highlights actions that can be taken to improve inclusion and safety in the music industry from changing the law to changes within the industry. https://musiciansunion.org.uk/ https://musiciansunion.org.uk/news/naomi-pohl-first-female-general-secretary https://committees.parliament.uk/work/6736/misogyny-in-music/  https://www.helpmusicians.org.uk/get-support/bullying-harasment  https://musiciansunion.org.uk/safespace Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://shorturl.at/ezLX4 This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

Michelle Escoffery is an award winning singer-songwriter, has taught as a lecturer at various institutions, is President of the PRS Members’ Council and on Ivor’s Academy Trustee Board. We talk about Michelle’s experience of coming into the music industry as part of a musical family from a young age. I ask Michelle what has been the enablers and challenges that she has faced and overcome to succeed in the music industry. She highlights the power of mentorship, shares advice for overcoming imposter syndrome, being comfortable taking up space, focusing on what you bring to the table and capabilities. Pushing back against being pigeon holed and breaking out of boxes. Being on the journey of self-compassion. Have a network, to bounce ideas, share tips and experiences. Michelle shares about the PRS affinity groups which creates safe spaces for particular groups, providing support in a way that is solution based, rather than an echo chamber. Michelle is also a qualified wellness consultant, and has developed an initiative called Pause, which creates a safe space for women of colour in the creative industries, focused on networking, support and wellness. Michelle shares some insights into her approach to embracing joy and maintaining boundaries.  https://www.prsformusic.com/about-us/governance/president-of-the-prs-members-council   https://www.michelleescoffery.com/ https://www.instagram.com/pause.theinnercircle/  Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://shorturl.at/ezLX4 This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

Dyvr is a musician, creative and activist working in the queer community and the founder of live music safe space, Sounds Queer. Dyvr talks about their experience of being in music, highlighting the challenges faced by non-binary and trans artists in the industry, sharing why they founded Sounds Queer and how that is creating a safe space for queer artists to grow. https://www.instagram.com/dyvrofficial/ https://www.instagram.com/soundsqueersounds/?hl=en-gb Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://shorturl.at/ezLX4 This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

Singer, songwriter Imogen Heap is known for her music making as much as for her innovation and pioneering approach to music, from her Mimu gloves to the Creative Passport.  In this episode Imogen shares her journey to a recent ADHD diagnosis and navigating the world with ADHD. We talk about the positives and the challenges of being neurodivergent, and how important it is to support each other, especially children, to thrive in our own ways. The book’s that Imogen mentions:  Better Late Than Never: Understand, Survive and Thrive a Midlife Diagnosis of ADHD by Emma Mahony and Sari Solden Dirty Laundry: Why adults with ADHD are so ashamed and what we can do to help by Richard Pink and Roxanne Emery http://imogenheap.com/  https://mimugloves.com/  Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://shorturl.at/ezLX4 This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

Vick Bain is the founder of the The F List and is currently completing her PhD at Queen Mary University of London in the Centre for Research in Equality and Diversity looking at the experience of women in music. She was previously the Past President Independent Society of Musicians (ISM), the former CEO of the British Academy of Songwriters, Composers and Authors (the Ivor's Academy), and has been inducted into the Music Week Women in Music Awards Roll Of Honour and the BBC Radio 4 Woman’s Hour Music Powerlist. In this episode Vick shares with us some initial insights from her PhD research and generally drawing from her wealth of experience in the music industry. We discuss the data, the pay gap and gender roles, and talk about both the challenges and the enablers for women and gender expansive people in the music industry. https://thef-listmusic.uk/ https://vbain.co.uk/ Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://shorturl.at/ezLX4 This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

Trigger warning: Discusses racism. Some swearing. Charisse Beaumont is the Chief Executive of Black Lives in Music, a research and advocacy organisation advocating for black music creators and industry professionals. In this episode Charisse talks about the work that BLIM have been doing, the first research to be done on the experience of black people in the music industry, which highlights that black women are the most disadvantaged in the music industry. We talk about the pressure of being ‘the first’ and the sense of responsibility that comes with this kind of work. Charisse shares her experience of this overwhelming and heart-breaking journey, as well as how she deals with it and keeps on fighting. https://blim.org.uk/ https://blim.org.uk/report/ Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://shorturl.at/ezLX4 This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

Helen Choudhury is an Equality, Diversity and Inclusion change management specialist and Head of Diversity, Equality and Inclusion Music Publishers Association. Helen tells us about how she got into this work and what she has been doing in her role at the MPA. Helen also shares about how her work has been informed by her experience of living with endometriosis and adenomyosis and talks us through the MPA M3 guidance on menstruation, miscarriage, and menopause. We explore the drop off women leaving the workplace due to lack of support for people experiencing challenges with menopause. https://mpaonline.org.uk/diversity-equality-inclusion/helen-choudhury-champion-for-m%C2%B3-and-head-of-dei-statement/ https://mpaonline.org.uk/diversity-equality-inclusion/  https://www.ukmusic.org/equality-diversity/uk-music-diversity-report-2022/  Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://shorturl.at/ezLX4   This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

Cari Quoyeser is an indie rock singer, songwriter, lyricist, performer, artist, voice actor, and Global Artists Community Manager. Silvia Olivieri is a Publishing Program Manager, and previously collaborated with Imogen Heap on her research Life Of A Song and worked as Senior Copyright Assistant at Kobalt Music Publishing for three years. In this episode, we talk about pushing back on the false narrative of women competing with each other, moving from first wave feminism that suggests that there is only room for one woman at the top, towards an intersectional feminism that is inclusive. We share our experiences of women supporting and nurturing each other in the music industry.  https://loas.creativepassport.net/  https://open.spotify.com/show/4dD3qEUU3S1ACAj0sPXh9H  Books we mention: White feminism by Koa Beck Why I am not a feminist by Jessa Crispin Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://shorturl.at/ezLX4   This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania Recorded at Abbey Road Studios

Deputy Chief Executive at Help Musicians, Sarah Wood has been in the music industry around 30 years, so she draws on her breath of experience to discuss how things have changed overtime as a woman. We build on last week’s episode on the topic of coming back to work after having a child, Sarah’s experience was whilst working for a corporation rather than as a freelancer. We also talk about reflecting on your contribution, with a positive frame of mind to help build self-confidence and understanding your worth as well as up-skilling and believing in yourself to have the capacity to learn new things!  Sarah also gives some insight on the music industry landscape and the importance of the Musicians Census project to better understand the barriers faced to better support a more inclusive industry. She sets out what Help Musicians are doing to better engage with female and gender expansive musicians and the positive impact of a targeted approach, offering practical suggestions on gathering insight, engaging with the results, pro-actively driving change and constantly evaluating. https://www.helpmusicians.org.uk/ https://www.helpmusicians.org.uk/get-support/bullying-harasment https://www.helpmusicians.org.uk/about-us/news/take-the-first-ever-musicians-census Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2GEtEjJCghbMskOuFiDSq6?si=8cd4319c72684f4e This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

Olga Fitzroy is a recording and mix engineer who has worked on records for Coldplay, The Foo Fighters and Muse, as well as film scores for top composers including Hans Zimmer and Dario Marianelli and assisted Sir George Martin on the last ever Beatles recording for the 2006 album, Love. We talk about the challanges of having a child as a freelancer working in the music industry. Olga is campaigning to change the law, she highlights issues around childcare and parental leave, talks us through what we can do to get involved in the campaign as well as what to do in the meantime, whilst the law is still catching up. http://www.olgafitzroy.com/ http://www.parentalpayequality.org.uk/ Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2GEtEjJCghbMskOuFiDSq6?si=8cd4319c72684f4e This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania

Grace Meadows is Campaign Director at Music for Dementia, music therapist and Bassoon player. We talk about the gift of music and the power of music therapy, and how we can harness this power to help build connections and alleviate our struggles with mental and physically health conditions. Grace shares her journey from music school to music for dementia, her experience of the music industry community. How do you know how much to charge for your time? And how is that impacted by your confidence in your expertise and expectations in the industry. https://musicfordementia.org.uk/ https://www.marinalsop.com/ Here's a playlist of guest's answer to the last question: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2GEtEjJCghbMskOuFiDSq6?si=8cd4319c72684f4e   This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania Recorded at Abbey Road Studios

Trigger warning: Mentions sexual harassment, some swearing. Chess shares her experience of being a woman in music, and why she is so motivated to help make the industry a safer place. We air our frustrations on navigating the terrain of being friendly and networking and asserting boundaries whilst still being acceptable and not missing out on opportunities. We also talk about how the industry needs make more of an effort to hire more women, festival line ups were only 13% women in 2022! Women need more opportunity to make the industry more inclusive and fairer. If you work in music and are concerned about a bullying or harassment situation, you can receive non-judgemental support and advice by calling the Help Musicians helpline confidentially for free on 0800 088 2045 or you can report via the Musicians Union Safe Space Scheme www.musafespace.org.uk http://www.chessgalea.com/ https://www.instagram.com/thebigvagenergypod   This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania Recorded at Abbey Road Studios

Nadia Khan has been in the music industry for over 20 years, doing many things including music management, founding Women in CTLR - which empowers women into positions of leadership - and is Chair of AIM. Nadia shares her inspiring story of how she came to her career, through nothing short of resilience and persistence, we talk about the constant battle of pushing back on gender norms and assumed gender roles, as well as pay gap and representation in the music industry. https://womeninctrl.com https://twitter.com/NadiaCTRL https:/www.aim.org.uk This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania Recorded at Abbey Road Studios

Trigger warning: Discusses racism, some swearing Stephanie Haughton-Campbell is Director of Operations at UK Music and has over 30 years’ experience in the music industry. Stephanie shares her experience of racism and the challenges of being a Black woman in the music industry. As a woman in a position of leadership, Stephanie talks about what she thinks makes a good leader and how damage can be done if leadership is not done properly. Links to things mentioned in this episode: https://www.ukmusic.org/about/team/stephanie-haughton-campbell/ https://www.ukmusic.org/news/voices-uk-musics-stephanie-haughton-campbell-celebrates-music-industry-women-on-international-womens-day/  https://www.ukmusic.org/equality-diversity/uk-music-diversity-report-2022/ https://www.shesaid.so/ https://womeninctrl.com/ https://remiharrisconsulting.com/musicleadersnetwork/ https://www.catsmother.co.uk/about-us This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/ Edited by Eliza Kania twitter.com/elizakania Recorded at Abbey Road Studios

Hazel Savage is VP Music Intelligence at SoundCloud and has worked in the music industry for over 15 years, from HMV, to Shazam, to creating her own AI company, Musiio. She was also in an all-female punk band, and you can tell. This women’s energy and spirit is infectious, you won’t be able to listen to this episode without feeling elevated and motivated! Hear about how Hazel’s adventures of being a yes person led her to Australia, the launch party of Reggae Reggae Sauce, co-founding Musiio and selling it to SoundCloud. From this journey, she shares insightful reflections and useful advice about when to say yes, when to quit, and something she wishes she had learnt sooner… And, as if that wasn’t enough, find out how Shazam worked before smartphones! https://www.musiio.com/ https://conference.measureofmusic.com/ All the guests on this season are asked about their favourite female music makers, you can find a playlist of all their answers on Spotify and Apple Music called 'Whose Song is it Anyway? Women in Music.' This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher https://www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/  Edited by Eliza Kania https://twitter.com/elizakania  Recorded at Abbey Road Studios 

Welcome to Season three of the podcast! This episode explains why this season is different and what to expect... This season is produced and hosted by Hayleigh Bosher https://www.instagram.com/hayleigh.bosher/  Edited by Eliza Kania https://twitter.com/elizakania  Recorded at Abbey Road Studios

Steve Tempest AKA DJ S.K.T is a DJ, Producer and Label Manager. In this episode we talk about music sampling (of the composition and/or the master), fair deals and arrangements for song splits and joint ownership when creating music. Steve also shares his experience with getting back to live gigs after the pandemic. https://clubsweat.lnk.to/GotYourMoneyFa  Producer and co-host: Hayleigh Bosher Co-host: Jules O'riordan Editor: Eliza Kania

Jane Dyball is a long time music industry executive, working mostly in publishing from Virgin, Warner and ran MCPS Collecting Society. More recently she runs her own consultancy business. Looking back over the historical developments in the music industry during Jane’s career, of which there were many. Jane shares her experience of being on the publishing side of the changes brought into the music industry from ringtones, to downloads and then streaming services as well as the efficiency and structural developments of the collection societies. https://www.laffittesltd.com/ Producer and co-host: Hayleigh Bosher Co-host: Jules O'riordan Editor: Eliza Kania

Claire Batchelor is a Composer for TV, Documentary, Film and Brands. In this episode we talk about how composers can get paid for their work and Claire talks about her work with the Ivor's Academy on the Composers Against Buyouts campaign. She shares her experience as a composer and figuring out what a fair deal is, and we also discuss rights revocation.  https://www.clairebatchelor.co.uk/  https://ivorsacademy.com/campaign/composers-against-buyouts/  https://musiciansunion.org.uk/  Producer and co-host: Hayleigh Bosher Co-host: Jules O'riordan Editor: Eliza Kania

Will Page is the former Chief Economist at Spotify and PRS, and author of Tarzan Economics. What's important about 285 miliseconds? Will reveals the psychology behind the Spotify Play button, and we discuss the pricing of streaming service subscriptions. https://tarzaneconomics.com/ Producer and co-host: Hayleigh Bosher Co-host: Jules O'riordan Editor: Eliza Kania

Niclas Molinder is a Swedish songwriter and producer. He founded Session and the Music Rights Awareness Foundation working in collaboration with WIPO to form WIPO for Creators. Niclas explains what the identifiers are - essential information that artists and songwriters need to know about in order to get paid royalties! He tells us all about his company's free app, Session Studio, which helps songwriters and producers with their creative process and includes easy ways to keep track of identifiers, song splits and much more.  https://www.sessionstudio.com https://www.wipo.int/wipoforcreators/en/index.html  Producer and co-host: Hayleigh Bosher Co-host: Jules O'Riordan Editor: Eliza Kania

Des Agyekumhene is an artist manager, NFT consultant, and co-founder of Soga world - who did the first NFT project with Neo and assisted Aitch in launching his "NFT album". We talk about NFTs and what opportunities and challenges there are for artists in the NFT space, Des shares his refreshing perspective on these technologies. https://soga.world/ https://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/06/ten-things-to-know-about-nfts.html  Producer and co-host: Hayleigh Bosher Co-host: Jules O'Riordan Editor: Eliza Kania

Damien Riehl is a lawyer, musician and technologist. He talks to us about this project All The Music and we discuss the ‘you copied my song’ lawsuits. What should be copyright protected and how would that effect the legal test for copyright infringement claims? And why do these cases keep coming? http://allthemusic.info/ Producer and co-host: Hayleigh Bosher Co-host: Jules O'Riordan Editor: Eliza Kania

Roxanne de Bastion is a singer, songwriter and performer. She sits on the board of the Featured Artist Coalition and the perfomer board at PPL. In this episode Roxanne talks about her experience of making music and building her careeer, sharing the lessons that she learnt along the way.  https://roxannedebastion.com/  https://thefac.org/ https://www.ppluk.com/  Producer and co-host: Hayleigh Bosher Co-host: Jules O'riordan Editor: Eliza Kania

In this episode I chat to Kevin Brennan MP about the DCMS Select Committe Inquiry into the Economics of Music Streaming and his Copyright (Rights and Remuneration of Musicians, Etc.) Bill. We talk about the inquiry, the recommendations made and the Bill, and what all this could mean for songwriters, performers and the future of the music industry. This episode was recorded at an event organised for the British Literary and Artistic Copyright Association (BLACA) together with Bristows on 9th December 2021.  Links: DCMS Economics of Streaming Inquiry - https://committees.parliament.uk/work/646/economics-of-music-streaming/ Copyright (Rights and Remuneration of Musicians, Etc.) Bill - https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/2901  IPKat Blog - https://ipkitten.blogspot.com/search/label/UK%20Streaming%20Inquiry  Dr Hayleigh Bosher - https://www.brunel.ac.uk/people/hayleigh-bosher Kevin Brennan MP - http://www.kevinbrennan.co.uk/ BLACA - http://www.blaca.org/   Bristows - https://www.bristows.com/

In this final episode of the series, Jules talks about his career as a DJ and music lawyer and the mentality of being an artist/lawyer. Jules talks about how, as a music lawyer, he helps his clients make commercial decisions, clear rights or negotiate deals, as well as making a positive influence in the broader sense by moving the goal posts of these contracts. Jules gives some advice to budding music lawyers and explains what he thinks is the most common confusion for artists around copyright.

Musicologist Christian Siddell explains what a musicologist does and how he became one, we also discuss what needs to be added to an out of copyright song in order for it to qualify as a new arrangement and Christian talks about one of the first cases he worked on - about the song Young at Heart recorded by The Bluebells.

Tom Kiehl is Deputy CEO and Director of Public Affairs at UK Music. In this episode Tom tells us what UK Music is about, how to get involved in the politics of the music industry, explains the practicalities of the process of a public consultation, such as the streaming inquiry, and what happened when UK Music took the government took court in Judicial Review in 2014 over the private copying exception. Lastly Tom talks about the impact of Brexit on copyright in the music industry.

Dennis Collopy has been in the music industry for 45 years, from his first contract with David Bowie to being an academic now at the University of Hertfordshire. Dennis talks about his research into illegal stream ripping, the data issues in the music industry, tells us the types of problems that artists and performers have with the admin that allows royalties payments. We then discuss artificial intelligence and some of the key issues for copyright and music, including authorship and infringement.

Imogen Heap is a singer-songwriter and we can certainly also describe her as an entrepreneur and pioneer! In this episode Imogen talks about what drives her in creativity and innovation, and shares with us her latest endevours with blockchain, artificial intelligence, mycelia and The Creative Passport (www.creativepassport.net). 

Munya Chanetsa, A&R Manager for Africa at Sony Music Publishing, chats about the music inudstry in the continent of Africa, the importance for artists and performers to understand their rights, and how COVID has provided time for reflection and engagement with rights. Munya also shares how the injustice of Solomon Linda and his song, Mbube, which transformed into the Lion Sleeps Tonight (best known for featuring Disney's The Lion King) motivated him on his mission to educate the music industry and the creation of Mbube2020.

David Martin, CEO of the Featured Artist Coalition (FAC), talks about the impact of COVID-19 on artists and the music industry, the difference between licensing or assigning your rights e.g. demonstrated by Bob Dylan who recently sold his catalogue, but then the share of that sale being determined by the wording of the contract with his co-author. Of course, we cover the streaming inquiry, and generally the need for artists to be more informed and entrepreneurial for a successful career. David also tells us his three wishes for the music industry for 2021...

Bill gives a heartfelt account of his career from private practice, law making, professor, to Senior Copyright Counsel at Google, and what most people might not know is that Bill is also a life long musician. He gives us insights into the challanges of law making, we talk about the US test for copyright infringement particularly in the cases of Blurred Lines, Stairway To Heaven. Bill explains why he would do away with expert witnesses in copyright infringement cases and shares the one thing he thinks needs changing in US copyright law…

Annabella Coldrick, CEO of the Music Managers Forum (MMF) talks about the changing artist manager dynamic, then we hear Annabella’s views on the UK music streaming inquiry, we consider where the line is between radio and streaming, and should we decide it from a technical or experiential perspective? Plus, Annabella talks about the need for better transparency and partnership within the music industry, for example in relation to licensing deals with TikTok and Facebook.

Tom Gray talks about creativity and originality in song creation, as well as the #BrokenRecord campaign, the current UK streaming inquiry, equitable remuneration, plus why and how musicians and artists can engage in copyright policy.

Ali Condon, from PRS for Music, explains why copyright is so important for creators, such as songwriters, composers and artists. We talk about originality in music creation, what copyright infringement is and how musicology plays a role in deciding if two songs are substantially similar. Ali shares her experience working with PRS members and engaging in copyright policy, such as the with the EU Copyright Directive. 

Crispin Hunt shares his songwriting stories from Longpigs to “Army of Lovers,” and more recently working with artists including Ellie Goulding, Florence and the Machine, Jake Bugg and Lana Del Ray. We talk about that fine line between taking inspiration and copyright infringement, as well as Crispin's work at the Ivor’s Academy and how he thinks copyright needs to change to benefit creators.