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The Deal With Animals with Marika S. Bell

The Deal With Animals with Marika S. Bell

By Marika S. Bell

Humans interact with animals every day of our lives: diet, wildlife, the clothes they wear, even medicines, are all intersections. This is a podcast about Anthrozoology: the study of interaction and connection between humans and non-human animals.
Our mission is to make research more accessible the public while sharing the voices and lived experience of our human connection with animals.
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44: Animals and Domestic Violence with Therese Lilliesköld (S5)

The Deal With Animals with Marika S. Bell Nov 07, 2022

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70: Beyond Symbolism: Understanding Animals as Ancestors with Author, Ben Stimpson (S7)

70: Beyond Symbolism: Understanding Animals as Ancestors with Author, Ben Stimpson (S7)

"...we have a very narrow view of what ancestors actually are. We, we tend to think of them only in terms of blood relations. Instead of the, the vastness of what could potentially be Ancestor." -Ben Stimpson


Episode 6 of Series 7: Animals and the Divine Transcript

What we Discuss:

  • Uncover the fascinating connections between all species and their impact.

  • Find out how to integrate animals into your spiritual journey for a more profound experience.

  • Explore the idea of personhood for animals and its potential consequences.

  • Delve into the importance of analyzing animal behavior without human-centric biases.

  • Cultivate empathy and kindness towards the environment and its creatures.

  • Beaver Testicles (I'm just gonna leave that there)...


Guest: Born in North Wales but currently residing in Ontario, Canada, Ben Stimpson works as a skilled therapist in the field of narrative and spiritual psychotherapy. Through his practice, he assists individuals, particularly those in the queer community, in exploring their relationship with themselves, spirituality, and ancestral connections. Ben is also the accomplished author of Ancestral Whispers: A Guide to Building Ancestral Veneration Practices (Release Sept 8 2023) www.benstimpson.com

Book Recommendation: Braiding Sweetgrass: Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge and the Teachings of Plants by Robin Wall Kimmerer

Key Moments:

00:04:00 - Ancestral Whispers Book,
00:08:11 - Animals as Ancestors,
00:14:39 - Clarifying Cultural Appropriation,
00:21:00 - Connecting with Animals as Ancestors
00:24:03 - Expanding the Concept of Ancestor
00:27:36 - Seeing Animals in a Spiritual Sense
00:31:51 - The Power of Storytelling,
00:33:12 - Our Complex Relationship with Animals,
00:35:04 - Genealogy and the Story of Life,
00:36:20 - Changing Perspectives


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Jun 19, 202342:50
69: Healing Paws: The Spiritual Impact of Therapy Dogs in Christian Ministries with Heather Frigiola (S7)

69: Healing Paws: The Spiritual Impact of Therapy Dogs in Christian Ministries with Heather Frigiola (S7)

"This is a multispecies ethnography, so I'm not treating them like just objects or tools. I recognize that they're living beings with unique personalities."- Heather Frigiola

Episode 5 of Season 7: Animals and the Divine Transcript

In this episode, we dive into the fascinating world of Canine Ministries, where dogs serve alongside their owners in Christian social outreach. Discover the powerful impact of therapy dogs and their unique role in ministry work, as we explore personal stories of comfort, healing, and the remarkable connection between God, humans, and our four-legged friends. Guest: Heather Frigiola is an aspiring anthropologist and PhD candidate (ABD) at the University of Nevada - Las Vegas, specializing in the study of animals in human culture. Her doctoral dissertation focuses on canine ministries, unraveling the intricate relationship between humans and dogs within these unique religious contexts. With a background in lecturing and volunteering at renowned institutions, Heather brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to her research. Her interdisciplinary approach and passion for understanding human-animal interactions make her a valuable contributor to the field of animal anthropology. Stay tuned for her insights into the cultural significance of canine ministries and their impact on communities.

Book Recommendation: The Sounds of Life: How Digital Technology Is Bringing Us Closer to the Worlds of Animals and Plants By Karen Bekker

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What to start your own podcast in he Animal Advocacy or Animal Welfare Space? Check out my ⁠⁠Beginner Podcast Consulting Services⁠⁠!

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Jun 05, 202343:12
68: A Christian Perspective on Animal Ethics: Exploring Our Responsibilities Towards Other Creatures with Theologian, Dr. David Clough (S7)

68: A Christian Perspective on Animal Ethics: Exploring Our Responsibilities Towards Other Creatures with Theologian, Dr. David Clough (S7)

"Animal killing looks like a very morally serious act. In those rules about sacrifice and consumption of animals in the Old Testament. And then animal sacrifice, is not saying that animal lives don't matter. It's saying quite reverse. Animals are somehow able to mediate nothing less than a sort of relationship between humans and the divine."- Dr. David Clough


Episode 4 of Series 7: Animal and the Divine Transcript


I'm talking to Dr. David Clough about Souls, Old Testament Animal Welfare, God's Original Vision, and the diversity of life. And why religion is not the problem when it comes to ethical questions and actions of a culture. 


Guest: David L. Clough is Professor in Theology and Applied Sciences at the University of Aberdeen. He is author of the landmark two-volume monograph On Animals (2012, 2019), on the place of animals in Christian theology and ethics. He is Principal Investigator for a three-year AHRC-funded project on the Christian Ethics of Farmed Animal Welfarein partnership with major UK churches, which in 2022 is working with educators to develop learning resources from the project for schools and theological colleges. He founded the DefaultVeg campaign, which promotes a simple policy shift to a vegetarian/vegan default for events catering, and co-founded of CreatureKind, an organization engaging Christians with farmed animal welfare. You can find him @DLClough on Twitter.

Book Recommendation: Aphro-ism: Essays on Pop Culture, Feminism, and Black Veganism from Two Sisters by Aph Ko and Syl Ko


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What to start your own podcast in he Animal Advocacy or Animal Welfare Space? Check out my ⁠Beginner Podcast Consulting Services⁠!

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May 22, 202341:13
67: May Special!: Barking Up the Right Tree: Applied Ethology and the Human-Dog Connection with Kim Brophey

67: May Special!: Barking Up the Right Tree: Applied Ethology and the Human-Dog Connection with Kim Brophey

Are we truly giving our furry companions the life they deserve? As pet owners, we often assume that we're providing a safe and comfortable environment for our dogs. However, in this thought-provoking podcast episode, certified dog behavior consultant and author Kim Brophey sheds light on the natural context of animals, particularly dogs, and the costs of captivity on their welfare.

The May Special Episode! Transcript

Guest: Kim Brophey is an applied ethologist and the owner of The Dog Door Behavior Center in Asheville, NC. She is an award-winning dog trainer, a member of several professional associations, and a certified member of the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants. Kim is known for her work on the L.E.G.S. model of integrated canine science, and her book, MEET YOUR DOG, has made her a respected voice in the dog behavior community.

Book Recommendation: Last Child in the Woods: Saving Our Children From Nature-Deficit Disorder by Richard Louv

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What to start your own podcast in he Animal Advocacy or Animal Welfare Space? Check out my Beginner Podcast Consulting Services!

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May 08, 202357:19
66: Exploring Hinduism, Dairy & Mother Cow with Yamini Narayanan (S7)

66: Exploring Hinduism, Dairy & Mother Cow with Yamini Narayanan (S7)

The sacred status of the cow is so widespread, so institutionalized, so deeply entrenched in Hindu culture, that it is actually quite a central question about the whole notion of Hinduism identity and cows. - Yamini Narayanan

Episode 3 of Series 7: Animals and the Divine ⁠Transcript⁠

In this amazing episode we talk about the place of cows -or more pertinently, dairy -  in the Hindu religion. It raises the question: what does it mean to treat an animal as sacred versus treating an animal humanely? Yamini discusses the consequences of the cow being amplified as the mother of human life, and how this actually more deeply entrenches the cow into the practice of dairy farming. We hear the story of Krishna and his love for milk as a child raised in a dairy farm, and think about how ideas of kinship with animals can be exploited.  Importantly though, we also go back to the origin stories of Hinduism to ask whether there is a place in the Hindu religion to help animals. 

Guest: Yamini Narayanan is an Associate Professor of International and Community Development at Deakin University, Melbourne. Her work explores the ways in which (other) animals are instrumentalised in sectarian, casteist and fascist ideologies in India, and how animals are also actors and architects of informal urbanisms. Yamini’s research is supported by two Australian Research Council grants. Her newest book Mother Cow, Mother India (2023) is published by Stanford University Press. In 2019, Yamini was awarded the Vice Chancellor’s Award for Mid-Career Research Excellence. In recognition of her work, she was made Fellow of the Oxford Centre for Animal Ethics (FOCAE), a distinguished honour that is conferred through nomination or invitation only.

Book Recommendation: The Cow with Ear Tag #1389 by Kathryn Gillespie

Show Credits⁠

⁠Guest Profiles and Book Recommendations⁠

What to start your own podcast in he Animal Advocacy or Animal Welfare Space? Check out my ⁠Beginner Podcast Consulting Services⁠!

Apr 24, 202301:05:40
65: Useful Violence with Dr. Anat Ben-Yonatan (S7)

65: Useful Violence with Dr. Anat Ben-Yonatan (S7)

Episode 2 of Series 7: Animals and The Divine Transcript

I'm talking to Anat Ben-Yonatan, a researcher at Tel Aviv University whose research is as fascinating as it is disturbing. But don't let that scare you away, We won't be going into any detailed descriptions of violence, but we are talking about animal slaughter for the purposes of kosher eating. However this research is less about what happens to the animals and more about the psychology and the place in Jewish society for the slaughterers themselves.

Guest: Anat Ben-Yonatan is a social-sciences informed human-animal scholar and a Research Fellow at the "Coller-Menmon Program for Animal Rights and Welfare" in the Buchmann Faculty of Law, Tel Aviv University. She is the co-founder and a steering committee member of both the human-animal connections forum and of the community for human-animal studies (HASI) under the auspices of the Israeli Anthropological Association, which she also co-chairs since February 2022.

Anat's Doctoral dissertation delved into the life and work of Jewish Israeli Shochtim (slaughterers), in which she looked, among other things, into their attitudes and feelings, as well as their moral schema in concern with shechitah (slaughter).

Anat's main research interest include various forms of interspecies violence, with emphasis on legitimized versus non-legitimized violence of humans against nonhuman animals; and "the save movement" with its educational programs as possible paths to cope with these violent phenomena.

Latest publications:

Ben-Yonatan A. “The knife needs the intention of the heart” The construction of ethnic and moral boundaries in Israeli slaughterhouses. Ethnicities. April 2022. doi:10.1177/14687968221093715

Anat Ben-Yonatan (2022) “Yesterday You Slaughtered Animals, Today You Pity Them”: Ambivalence and Resolution Among Jewish Israeli Slaughterers, Anthrozoös, 35:3, 355-370, DOI: 10.1080/08927936.2021.1996023

Hirsch-Matsioulas, O., Ben-Yonatan, A., Chen, L., Sadetzki, Y., & Shir-Vertesh, D. (2022). Human-Animal Studies in Israel: A Field in the Making, Society & Animals (published online ahead of print 2022). doi: https://doi.org/10.1163/15685306-bja10095

Book Recommendation: Dominion: The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals, and the Call to Mercy by Mathew Scully

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting authors, nonprofits, professionals, academics and enthusiasts about the various disciplines of Anthrozoology.

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Apr 10, 202349:46
64: Animals in World Religions with Author, Dr. Lisa Kemmerer (S7)

64: Animals in World Religions with Author, Dr. Lisa Kemmerer (S7)

Episode 1 of Series 7: Animals and the Divine  Transcript

Dr Lisa Kemmerer shares with us the role of animals in a wide range of religions. From deities, tricksters, shapeshifters, emblems and mora agents. Animals are truly one thing that all belief systems have in common.  We discuss the value of indigenous teachings and reciprocity and Lisa gives insight into how to write about religion as an outsider as well as how to engage with your own religion. She also gives us some exclusive insights into her upcoming website.

Guest: Internationally known for her work in animal ethics, Dr. Lisa Kemmerer is the founder of the educational, vegan umbrella organization, Tapestry. With a Master of Theological Studies in Comparative Religions (Harvard) and a Ph.D. in philosophy (specializing in animal ethics at Glasgow University, in Scotland), Kemmerer taught for 20 years at the university level. She has written more than 100 articles/anthology chapters and 10 books, including In Search of Consistency, Animals and World Religions, Sister Species, and Eating Earth. Dr. K retired in July of 2020 to become a full-time social justice activist with Tapestry.

Book Recommendation: Vegan Ethics: AMORE—Five Reasons to Choose Vegan by Dr. Lisa Kemmerer

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Mar 27, 202351:50
63: EVAT Mini-series (Part 6): Free-Living Cats and Farm Animal Sanctuaries a Round Table with Kris Hill and Dr. Jacqui Sadashige

63: EVAT Mini-series (Part 6): Free-Living Cats and Farm Animal Sanctuaries a Round Table with Kris Hill and Dr. Jacqui Sadashige

Part 6: Emerging Voices for Animal in Tourism Conference Mini-Series 2023 Transcript

I chat with both Kris Hill and Jacqui Sadashige about their research in Free Living cats and Farm Animal Sanctuaries respectively. And we talk about our takeways from The Emerging Voices For Animals in Tourism Conference. A fun and wide ranging discussion!

Guest: Jacqui has a Ph.D. in Classical Studies from the University of Pennsylvania and an MA in Global Conservation from Miami University's Global Field Program. Her research interests include elephant tourism in Thailand and visitor engagement at farmed animal sanctuaries in the U.S. She is a lecturer in Gender Studies and Film at the University of Pennsylvania and Drexel University in Philadelphia. 

Book Recommendation: Saving Animals: Multispecies Ecologies of Rescue and Care by Elan Abrell and 

Esther the Wonder Pig: Changing the World One Heart at a Time by Steve Jenkins, Derek Walter, and Caprice Crane

Guest: Kris is completing a PhD in Anthrozoology with the University of Exeter, UK. Her doctoral research focuses on cat-human relations within urban communities, and discourses surrounding free-roaming and free-living cats (Felis catus). Other academic areas of interests include morethanhuman families, griefwork, animal representations, and Mediterranean street cats and cat-human cultures.  A lifelong cat-lover, the majority or her travel photos have always included cats! Read more here: https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Book Recommendation: Watership Down:A Novel by Richard Adams 

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting authors, nonprofits, professionals, academics and enthusiasts about the various disciplines of Anthrozoology.

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands


Mar 13, 202301:10:35
62: EVAT Mini-series (Part5): Animal Neighbours Project with Sharmini Julita Paramasivam

62: EVAT Mini-series (Part5): Animal Neighbours Project with Sharmini Julita Paramasivam

Part 5: Emerging Voices for Animal in Tourism Conference Mini-Series 2023 Transcript

We discuss Sharmini' s work with communities near tourist attractions to solves issues of wildlife conflict... those adorable monkeys that the tourists are feeding at  the shrine can cause real havoc in surrounding neighborhoods! 

Guest: Sharmini Julita Paramasivam is a senior lecturer at the School of Veterinary Medicine, University of Surrey. She graduated as a veterinary surgeon in 2008 from Universiti Putra Malaysia and worked in small animal and wildlife practice. Sharmini  has an MSc in Applied Animal Behaviour and Animal Welfare from University of Edinburgh and focuses her teaching and practice on animal behaviour, welfare and human animal interaction. In 2022, she received senior fellowship in higher Community attitudes towards macaques in urban Malaysian tourism education from UK’s Advance HE. Sharmini leads the Animal Neighbours Project in Malaysia which aims to reduce negative interactions between wildlife and humans in urban spaces.

Book Recommendation: Die With Zero: Getting All You Can from Your Money and Your Life by Bill Perkins

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting authors, nonprofits, professionals, academics and enthusiasts about the various disciplines of Anthrozoology.

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Mar 10, 202350:52
61: EVAT Mini-series (Part4): Eagle Relatives and Aviary Tours with Bobbie Chew Bigby

61: EVAT Mini-series (Part4): Eagle Relatives and Aviary Tours with Bobbie Chew Bigby

Part 4: Emerging Voices for Animal in Tourism Conference Mini-Series 2023 Transcript

I'm talking to researcher and Cherokee Nation citizen Bobby Chew Bigby about her work, studying the tribal led eagle aviary tours in Oklahoma Indian countries.

Guest: Bobbie is a storyteller, writer, scholar, educator, polyglot and enthusiast of the diversity of human cultures, languages and traditional relationships with the living environment. Born and raised in Oklahoma and a citizen of the Cherokee Nation, Bobbie is a daughter of Cantonese, Cherokee and Euro-American heritages. Her studies, work, friendships and research have taken her to different parts of Asia, Latin America, Indigenous Australia and US Indian Country. Bobbie is particularly passionate about exploring the ways that tourism can be more than just an economic livelihood for Indigenous and post-conflict communities. She focuses on tourism’s potential for connecting people with traditional culture, Country (lands+waters+all living beings) and community. Bobbie has recently submitted her PhD for examination at the University of Notre Dame Australia, with research focused on comparative models of Indigenous-led tourism and cultural resurgence across Australia and the United States.

Book Recommendation: Cherokee Stories of the Turtle Island Liars' Club: Dakasi Elohi Anigagoga Junilawisdii (Turtle, Earth, the Liars, Meeting Place) by Christopher Teuton

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting authors, nonprofits, professionals, academics and enthusiasts about the various disciplines of Anthrozoology.

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Mar 08, 202337:39
60: EVAT Mini-series (Part3) : Media Portrayal of Animals in Tourism with Eveline Baptistella

60: EVAT Mini-series (Part3) : Media Portrayal of Animals in Tourism with Eveline Baptistella

Part 3: Emerging Voices for Animal in Tourism Conference Mini-Series 2023 Transcript

A chat with Journalist and Researcher, Eveline Baptistella about her work trying to find common ground between humans and the animals we use in tourism. 

Guest: Eveline Baptistella holds a Ph.D. in Contemporary Culture Studies - Communication and Culture from Mato Grosso's Federal University – Brazil. She is a researcher and journalism titular professor at Mato Grosso's State University. She dedicates her research to the field of critical animal studies, media studies, and environmental and scientific journalism. Baptistella also coordinates the research project "Animal Studies and Media," which includes the study of the relationships between human and nonhuman animals in contemporary society and the representation of nonhuman animals in the media.

Book Recommendation: The Emotional Lives of Animals: A Leading Scientist Explores Animal Joy, Sorrow, and Empathy by Marc Bekoff

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting authors, nonprofits, professionals, academics and enthusiasts about the various disciplines of Anthrozoology.

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Mar 06, 202352:08
59: EVAT Mini-Series (Part 2): Animal Law in Pakistan with Altamush Saeed

59: EVAT Mini-Series (Part 2): Animal Law in Pakistan with Altamush Saeed

Part 2: Emerging Voices for Animal in Tourism Conference Mini-Series, 2023 Transcript

We're releasing these episodes Monday Wednesday and Friday for The two weeks surrounding the conference itself. I'll be will talking with Altamush about Zoological gardens gardens in Pakistan, how he got started in Animal welfare, And how his foundation is helping to provide fresh water for both the humans and the canines in his home country!

Guest: Altamush Saeed is a Pakistan-based animal rights lawyer currently pursuing an LLM in Animal Law at the Center for Animal Law Studies, Lewis and Clark Law School as the first Pakistani recipient of the Brooks Institute Animal Rights Law and Policy International Scholarship. He holds an LLM from the University of Michigan Law School. He is a Co-Founder/Director of Charity Doings Foundation(https://charitydoings.org/), and an Animal Welfare Ambassador to Comprehensive Disaster Response Service(https://cdrsworld.org) He served as a Legislative Advocacy Intern at Best Friends Animal Society in 2022 and is currently a government relations intern at ASPCA. In Summer 2023, he will work as a Thomas Raskin Summer Legal Extern at Mercy for Animals. He also serves as a Humane Policy Volunteer Leader at the Humane Society of the United States for 2023. His life goal is to help all life, be it humans, animals, or the environment. Altamush is extremely grateful to all his past and future mentors for keeping this journey ongoing.

Book Recommendation: Inside of a Dog: What Dogs See, Smell, and Know by Alexandra Horowitz and 

Manifesto for a Moral Revolution by Jacqueline Novogratz

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting authors, nonprofits, professionals, academics and enthusiasts about the various disciplines of Anthrozoology.

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Mar 03, 202341:49
58: Emerging Voices For Animals in Tourism Conference Miniseries (Part 1): Animal Experience International with Nora Livingstone

58: Emerging Voices For Animals in Tourism Conference Miniseries (Part 1): Animal Experience International with Nora Livingstone

Part 1: Emerging Voices For Animals in Tourism Conference 2023 Mini-series Transcript

I'm talking with Nora Livingstone, the CEO and co-founder of Animal Experience International, an award winning B Corp that helps people volunteer on animal welfare and conservation projects. She is also Hosting the first panel at the 2023 Emerging Voices for Animal in Tourism Conference. We are going to discuss her amazing work sending much needed volunteers to eco/tour/vacation in a way that is ethical and beneficial for the animals, science, local communities. We will also discuss the 2023 EVAT conference and what she is excited to learn!

Guest: Nora Co-founded AEI, an award winning B Corp that helps people volunteer on animal welfare and conservation projects. Nora is also is the host of Fanimal's Animal Chat Time where she talks to animal lovers of all ages about narwhals, flying snakes, binturongs and more! She has danced in the CN tower as a panda, Ivor Wynne stadium as a red tailed hawk, Birmingham Grand Central Station as a river otter and on the banks of the Cowichan River as a chinook salmon.

Book Recommendation: Wintering: The Power of Rest and Retreat in Difficult Times by Katherine May

https://www.animalexperienceinternational.com/

https://fanimal.online/programs/animal-chat-time/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZs5hEjSLzA&ab_channel=Fanimal

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting authors, nonprofits, professionals, academics and enthusiasts about the various disciplines of Anthrozoology.

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Mar 01, 202338:23
Series Seven Trailer/Updates/Announcements

Series Seven Trailer/Updates/Announcements

Transcript

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Feb 20, 202305:27
57: Valentines Special!: Furry Fandom with Victoria Gersdorf

57: Valentines Special!: Furry Fandom with Victoria Gersdorf

Valentine's Special! - Furry Fandom with Victoria Gersdorf

I chat with Victoria Gersdorf about her research around and discussions with those in the Furry Fandom Community. Its a fascinating and fun exploration into a subculture of love, life, and FUR. 

Guest: Victoria grew up in Salt Lake City, Utah before moving to Helena, Montana to attend Carroll College. She has since graduated from Carroll with an undergraduate degree in anthrozoology, She is currently applying to sociology and anthrozoology master's programs.

 She hopes to perform sociology and anthrozoology research on aspects of the furry community and how animals are used and perceived within the art of the furry community in order to express oneself and socialize and other topics involving fandom and animals and other subjects as a career in the future. Her paper "Gender Expression Using Fursonas in the Furry Community" which is an exploration of how fursonas allow members of the furry fandom to express and explore their gender identity in a community. Her research is currently under review and was presented at the 2022 ISAZ virtual conference.

Book Recommendation: The Snow Leopard and the Goat: Politics of Conservation in the Western Himalayas by Shafqat Hussain

Fur Science

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Feb 13, 202346:29
56: Friend-sheep with Guest Host Nanette McCann (S6)

56: Friend-sheep with Guest Host Nanette McCann (S6)

Episode 7 of Season 6 - The Animal Protagonist

Surprise guest host, Nanette McCann interviews me about the difficulties and successes of discovering animal friendships. 

Guest Host: Nanette McCann joined Homeward Pet as the Executive Director in 2018.  It was Homeward Pet’s reputation for community engagement and volunteer dedication that spoke to Nanette’s personal values over her 30+ year career as a non-profit professional.

It was Nanette’s first career in radio broadcasting that actually got her interested in working in non-profit as a career.  After 10 years as an on-air personality, championing for many organizations and experiencing the passion and commitment of volunteers and non-profit staff, Nanette made the transition to mission based work.

Nanette is the mom of five human children and two fur-babies, Frankie and Ursula.


Marika's Book Recommendation: Thinking with Animals: New Perspectives on Anthropomorphism Edited by Lorraine Daston and Gregg Mitman 

Anthropomorphism or Egomorphism? The Perception of Non-human Persons By Human Ones by Kay Milton 

Host: Marika holds an MA in Anthrozoology, a BS in Zoology, and a CPDT-KA. She has lived in four different countries exploring the many connections between humans and other animals.
Now, she enjoys chatting with academics, authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts about their research, stories, and experiences with other animals.

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Feb 06, 202358:24
55: Grief in Other than Human Animals with Dr. Barbara J. King (S6)

55: Grief in Other than Human Animals with Dr. Barbara J. King (S6)

Episode 6 in Series 6: The Animal Protagonist

Have you ever wondered if other-than-human animals experience grief? We explore this question and other about emotion in non-human animals with Dr. Barbara King. 

Guest: Barbara J. King is Emerita Professor of Anthropology at William & Mary and a freelance science writer and public speaker. The author of seven books, including Animals' Best Friends: Putting Compassion to Work for Animals in Captivity and the Wild, Barbara focuses on animal emotion and cognition, the ethics of our relationships with animals, and the evolutionary history of language, culture, and religion. Her book How Animals Grieve has been translated into 7 languages and her TED talk on animal love and grief has now received over 3 1/2 million views. Barbara’s work has appeared in Scientific American, Aeon, and Undark, and she regularly reviews books for NPR and the TLS. She tweets about animals, science, and books  https://twitter.com/bjkingape. To learn more, visit her website at www.barbarajking.com

Book Recommendations: The God Good Pig: The Extraordinary Life of Christopher Hogwood  and The Soul of an Octopus: A Surprising Exploration into the Wonder of Consciousness by Sy Montgomery

Also of mention: Wonderdog: The Science of Dogs and Their Unique Friendship with Humans by Jules Howard

Alpha Wolf Idea- David Mech Website

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Jan 30, 202348:59
54: Shh- The Orcas are Hunting: The Quiet Sound Project with Rachel Aronson (Part 2)

54: Shh- The Orcas are Hunting: The Quiet Sound Project with Rachel Aronson (Part 2)

Miniseries: Pacific Northwest Wildlife Corridors  (Part 2)

We will explore the waters of the Puget sound in a current and ongoing project meant to improve critical habitat of the Southern Resident Killer Whales. 

Guest: Rachel Aronson is the Quiet Sound Program Director at Washington Maritime Blue, a NGO that seeks to accelerate the sustainability and equity of the blue economy. Quiet Sound, founded in 2021, seeks to better understand and mitigate the impacts of large commercial vessels, such as cargo, ferry and cruise ships, on the endangered Southern Resident Killer Whales in Washington State. Quiet Sound is a state-wide coalition of local, state, federal and tribal governments, the maritime sector and conservation NGOs. Rachel holds an M.M.A. from the University of Washington’s School of Marine and Environmental Affairs, as well as a B.A. in Biology and Hispanic Studies from the University of Pennsylvania.

Book Recommendations: Orca: How We Came to Know and Love the Ocean's Greatest Predator by Jason M. Colby

Orca Rescue!: The True Story of an Orphaned Orca Named Springer by Donna Sandstrom 

The Sea Is My Country: The Maritime World of the Makahs (The Henry Roe Cloud Series on American Indians and Modernity)   by Joshua L. Reid

https://maritimeblue.org/quiet-sound/

Episode 48: Bioacoustics

Orca Network

The Whale Trail   

Exploding Whale 


Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Jan 23, 202353:35
53: Saving Coal Creek with Sally Lawrence (Part 1)

53: Saving Coal Creek with Sally Lawrence (Part 1)

Miniseries: Pacific Northwest Wildlife Corridors (Part 1)

In this episode we get hyperlocal with Sally Lawrence and discuss the Save Coal Creek project in Bellevue, Washington. This is an important natural area to the Greater Seattle Area and King County. This is a time sensitive issue with a rally and important decision coming up in the next few weeks (Ep. Pub Jan 16th 2023).  

Guest: Sally Lawrence is a volunteer naturalist and salmon watcher for the City of Bellevue. She has a B.A. in Biology from Brown University and M.S. in Biological Oceanography from University of Rhode Island. Before retiring, she was a water quality specialist for Washington Department of Ecology. She loves traveling that involves hiking and learning new cultures, and Chinese food. And American dippers!

Book Recommendations: Nature's Best Hope" A New Approach to Conservation That starts in Your Yard by Douglas Tallamy

The Urbanist article- Maps of the area

Save Coal Creek Info

Sign the Petition!

Rally Info Feb 11th

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Jan 16, 202301:02:40
52: Predation in Practice with Simone Müller (S6)

52: Predation in Practice with Simone Müller (S6)

Episode 5 of Series 6: The Animal Protagonist  

Often predatory behavior in your family pet is considered a undesirable behavior. Most people try to suppress predatory behavior but Simone is going to talk to us about the importance of predatory behavior and how to use what she calls predation substitute training for dogs who absolutely love to chase things In a world where that's not always seen as ideal!

Guest: Simone Müller, MA is a certified dog trainer and dog behaviour consultant (ATN.AG) from Germany. She specializes in force-free anti-predation training and is the author of the two books of the Predation Substitute Training series “Hunting Together” and “Rocket Recall”. Simone is proud to be an Associate Trainer at the Scotland-based Lothlorien Dog Training Club (AT-LDTC) and a member of both the Pet Professional Guild (PPG) and the Pet Dog Trainers of Europe (PDTE). Learn more: http://www.predation-substitute-training.com 

Follow Simone’s work on Facebook and Instagram: #predationsubstitutetraining 

Book Recommendation: The Emotional Lives of Animals: A Leading Scientist Explores Animal sorrow, Joy and Empathy-- and Why They Matter by Marc Bekoff

Jesus Christ Fenton

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Jan 09, 202351:49
51: Canid Olfaction and Our Shared Umwelt with Dr. Simon Gadbois (S6)

51: Canid Olfaction and Our Shared Umwelt with Dr. Simon Gadbois (S6)

Episode 4 of Series 7: The Animal Protagonist

I talk with the fascinating Dr. Simon (pronounced Simo) Gadbois, about the canid nose and the complicated relationship humans have with dogs.  

Guest: Simon Gadbois integrates ethology, animal experimental psychology, and behavioural neuroscience to study wild and domestic canids. He completed his Ph.D. in behavioural endocrinology at the Canadian Centre for Wolf Research (CCWR) examining the hormonal correlates of social behaviour in wolves, as well as action sequences in wolves, coyotes and red foxes. When the CCWR closed in 2007, he started the Canid Behaviour Research Lab at Dalhousie University and focused his research on coyote-human conflicts and canine scent detection and search. He is interested in the fundamental science of olfaction and olfactory learning, as well as some applications: His lab has focused on environmental/conservation, biomedical, and forensic applications of scent processing in dogs.

Book RecommendationWhy Zebras Don't Get Ulcers, Third Edition by Robert M. Sapolsky

How the Dog Became the Dog: From Wolves to Our Best Friends  by Mark Derr, Man Meets Dog by Konrad Lorenz

Related Episodes: Conservation Detection Dogs with Kayla Fratt of Conservation K9

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands


Jan 02, 202357:29
50: New Year's Special- Recognizing and Overcoming Compassion Fatigue with Hilary Hager (Encore (Ep: 7))

50: New Year's Special- Recognizing and Overcoming Compassion Fatigue with Hilary Hager (Encore (Ep: 7))

Ep 50- Special Encore Episode. Bringing back a listener (and personal) favorite episode for "the good old days" (2021). 

Pertinent to this time of year (not just for animal welfare workers), a lot of us are promising too much and feeling like we're delivering too little. We really need to think a little bit about self-care and instead we're thinking about everybody else in our lives that we could help, and good for us That's awesome. However sometimes it can feel like a lot. Things get overwhelming, and fatigue can set in. When we're in this state, we are not fun, we are not relaxed, And if you're like me you ultimately regret not doing better. So this episode is for everyone who just feels a little overwhelmed at the moment or maybe with life in general and could use a bit of a perspective change.

Guest: Hilary Hager has spent the last twenty years managing volunteers in animal welfare environments and currently serves as the Vice President of Outreach, Engagement and Training at the Humane Society of the United States. Engaging volunteers in meaningful work to make the world a more humane place is Hilary’s passion and life’s work. She teaches compassion fatigue workshops around the country to help provide members of the animal protection community the support and resources to maintain their own well-being while working in a challenging and emotionally-charged environment.

Book Recommendation: 

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Dec 26, 202201:29:47
49: The Culture of Free Living Dogs with Sindhoor Pangal (S6)

49: The Culture of Free Living Dogs with Sindhoor Pangal (S6)

Episode 3 in Series 6: The Animal Protagonist 

We explore the lives and lifestyles of free living dogs with Anthrozoologist, Author, and Dog Behaviour Expert, Sindhoor Pangal. 

Guest: Sindhoor is a canine behaviour consultant, Galen myotherapist, an independent ethology researcher, an engineer by qualification and an educator in Bangalore, India. She is a TEDx speaker, the author of the book, Dog Knows and an independent ethology researcher studying the free-living dogs in India. Sindhoor is the founder of BHARCS. BHARCS offers a UK-accredited level 4 diploma on canine behaviour and ethology and boasts of students from all parts of India and across the globe. Sindhoor is also the country representative for Pet Dog Trainers of Europe (PDTE) and is currently pursuing her masters in Anthrozoology from Exeter University (UK). 

Book Recommendation: Dog Knows by Sindhoor Pangal 

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Dec 22, 202201:08:04
48: Underwater Bioacoustics with Dr. Michelle Fournet (S6)

48: Underwater Bioacoustics with Dr. Michelle Fournet (S6)

Episode 2 of Series 6: The Animal Protagonist 

This episode is about the world from a the perspective of marine animals. Particularly how their acoustic environment effects their perceptions, health, and ability to find food and mates. we will be talking about who is talking in the world below the waves and what they are saying. Also; air Guns, mass strandings, climate change effects, Humpback Whales, Bearded Seals, Southern Resident Orcas, electric boat motors and ways to keep things quiet. 

Guest: Dr. Fournet's research interests are in animal communication, the impact of anthropogenic noise on animal behavior, and how interspecies interactions manifest acoustically. She works primarily in the marine realm, but is generally interested in using acoustics to investigate questions of applied ecological significance and to disseminate science to the greater public.

For her graduate work she investigated humpback whale (Megaptera novaeangliae) acoustic ecology and the impact of vessel noise on humpback whale calling behavior in Southeast Alaska.

As a postdoctoral researcher at the Cornell Lab’s  K. Lisa Yang Center for Conservation Bioacoustics (CCB), she is using acoustics to understand community dynamics in Florida Bay, Everglades National Park, with an emphasis on sonic fishes.

Former projects include humpback whale and killer whale photo-identification and citizen-science program development in Juneau, Alaska, the coordination and development of a marine mammal observation effort in Oregon’s near-shore ocean, and the analysis long-term acoustic data sets from Alaska’s Beaufort Sea, where she investigated seasonal presence of bowhead whales (Balaena mysticetus) and arctic seals.

Book Recommendation: Whale by Joe Roman

https://www.birds.cornell.edu/ccb/michelle-fournet/

https://soundsciencecollective.org/

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands


Dec 12, 202243:44
47: Expressions of Emotion in Animals with Dr. Mariska Kret (S6)

47: Expressions of Emotion in Animals with Dr. Mariska Kret (S6)

Episode 1 of Series 6: The Animal Protagonist

I'm talking to Dr Mariska Kret about how its possible to study the emotions of humans and other apes. The implications of this research is wide and the method more objective than you might think. 

Guest: Dr. Mariska Kret (PI) works as a full professor at the Cognitive Psychology Unit of Leiden University, where she directs the CoPAN lab. After MSc degrees in Cognitive Psychology (2006) and in Clinical Psychology (2007) from Leiden University, Kret started her PhD trajectory at Tilburg University where she investigated the perception of emotions (2011). Since then, her research expanded to comparative studies in great apes and patients with mental disorders. She has demonstrated that many of the facets constituting emotion processing are evolutionary ancient, and shared with great apes, our closest living relatives. In her ERC Starting project she investigates the role of emotional expressions in the establishment of trust. Her VIDI extends that research to clinical populations (autism and social anxiety disorder). In her research she typically combines different methods including fMRI, psychophysiology and behavioural observations.  Reaching out to the general public and open science practices are of utmost importance to her.   https://www.mariskakret.com/

Book Recommendation: The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals by Charles Darwin and How to Study Animal Minds by Kristin Andrews

The Ape Who Went to College 

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Dec 05, 202256:56
Series 6 Trailer: The Animal Protagnist

Series 6 Trailer: The Animal Protagnist

Let's talk about Umwelt. I'm calling this series the animal protagonist, because it is hard to remember that everyone sees the world in their own way. We all have a version of the world where we are the protagonist. We are living as the main character in our own story. Are non human animals any different? For a long time The possibility of Animal emotions was off limits in the scientific community. And although anyone living with an animal, even scientists, could see that animals had emotions, still the scientific community steered away from the subject. It was argued that because Animals couldn't talk there's no way we could ever know for sure if they experienced emotions. And if we could not know for sure then we should act as if they do not.

This policy, has allowed at least Western society to treat animals as if they were not sentient, as if, despite our own perceptions, they did not feel pain or joy. Animals were relegated to no more than living machines which had no moral standing. All that is now beginning to change as many in the scientific community have realized that although we cannot yet prove animals have emotions It doesn't mean we shouldn't ask the question. After all isn't science about asking questions? However the progress has been slow and as you will hear from some of our guests some of the scientific communities still prefer to act as of animals do not experience emotions. So, we are only starting to scratch the surface of understanding other animals perceptions of the world.
In this series I'd like to take a few episodes to introduce you to some of The researchers, philosophers, and professionals who are asking questions about animal perceptions, emotions, preferences, and history.
we're going to talk to Dr Mariska kret, about the current research that goes into understanding expressions of emotions in other animals, we're going to be talking to world famous author Barbara King about how animals experience grief, we'll be talking to Sindhoor panghal a researcher and dog trainer in India about her work with free roaming street dogs, Dr Simon gabois will talk to us about olfaction perception in canids, and Dr Michelle fournette will be giving us insight into the lives of marine mammals through bio acoustics! We'll also be talking to dog trainer Simone Mueller about predation instincts in dogs and how they can be turned into powerful training tools! And as you can imagine there is so much more!
So thank you for joining me as we ask the question what's the deal with animals!

Nov 28, 202205:20
46: Idaho Wolves and The Young Voices of Reason with Cindy Su and Michel Liao (S5)

46: Idaho Wolves and The Young Voices of Reason with Cindy Su and Michel Liao (S5)

Episode 9 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

Cindy Su and Michel Liao are two of the members of an ecology club at an Idaho an high school who are trying to sound the alarm around the importance of wolves as a part of a healthy ecosystem in Idaho. 

Guests: Michel Liao is a senior at Timberline High School in Boise, Idaho. Michel likes math, reading, and activism. He's co-president of his high school's environmental club, TREE Club, and co-founded System Green, a 501(c)(3) dedicated to transforming Boise into a more sustainable city.

Recommended Reading: Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl

Cindy Su is a senior at Timberline High School in Boise, Idaho in the United States. She has been following and advocating for the wolves ever since she heard about SB 1211 in the spring of 2021.

Recommended Reading: Nothing by Janne Teller

Planet Earth BBC Documentary

Saving the Northern Rocky Mountains Gray Wolf

International Wolf Center

How Wolves Change Rivers 

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Nov 21, 202252:50
45: Family Matters with Jen Shryock and Helen St. Pierre (S5)

45: Family Matters with Jen Shryock and Helen St. Pierre (S5)

Episode  8 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

I talk with Jen Shryock and Helen St. Pierre (who both spoke at the Aggression in Dogs Conference 2022) about issues around introducing new babies into a home with dogs, we discuss the issue of social media showing dogs with young children or babies and how to help your kids have a good relationship with the dog family members in your household. 

Guests: Jennifer is the owner and founder of Family Paws Parent Education.   She has a certification from the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants and a special education degree with more than 30 years of experience. She’s served on multiple boards, including the International Childbirth Education Association, and was Vice President of Doggone Safe, a non-profit dedicated to dog bite prevention and victim support.

Book RecommendationLiving with Kids and Dogs...Without Losing Your Mind by Colleen Pelar Episode 37 with Colleen Pelar

Helen is the owner and operator of No Monkey Business Dog Training, LLC. Based in Concord New Hampshire. She is a Certified Professional Dog Trainer – Knowledge and Skills Assessed (CPDT-KSA) and a Certified Dog Behavior Consultant (CDBC) and an Operation Socialization Certified Trainer (OSCT). Helen has been training dogs for over 20 years. She is a professional member of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers, a certified member of the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants and a member of the Pet Professional Guild. Helen is also a licensed Dogs and Storks educator, and a licensed Dogs and Toddlers educator.

Book RecommendationThe Third Chimpanzee: The Evolution and Future of the Human Animal by Jared Diamond

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Nov 14, 202251:25
44: Animals and Domestic Violence with Therese Lilliesköld (S5)

44: Animals and Domestic Violence with Therese Lilliesköld (S5)

Episode 7 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

I talk with Therese Lilliesköld about animals and domestic violence. we will be talking about Domestic violence against pets and how pets are used against children by abusers. we're going to be talking about How to protect children from online abusers and how important it is for women's shelters to be welcoming to the animal family members.

Guest: Therese Lilliesköld offers lectures and training on the connection between violence against children and family animals, cat behavior and cat protection, trauma in dogs and cats and family animals from an anthrozoological perspective. For pet owners, she offers cat behavior consultations and lectures.

She lives in Gnesta in scenic Sörmland with her family; sons Ruben and Vidar, the house cats Pocahontas and Panther, the guinea pigs Lily and Juni, the mixed breed dog Vera and the Salamander Salomon. The Link

Book Recommendation: Our Symphony with Animals: On Health, Empathy, and Our Shared Destinies By Aysha Akhtar

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Nov 07, 202244:47
43: October Special! The Beagle Project with Lindsey Hamrick, HSUS

43: October Special! The Beagle Project with Lindsey Hamrick, HSUS

This is a Special Episode about the recent (Summer of 2022) removal and rescue of 4,000 Beagles from a breeding facility that breeds beagle so they can be sold to laboratories in the Unites States for use as test subjects. 

Guest: Lindsay Hamrick, Director of Shelter Outreach and Engagement, the Humane Society of the United States works to strengthen partnerships with shelter and rescue organizations through mentorship, training, policy initiatives and grants. She is a Certified Animal Welfare Administrator and a Certified Professional Dog Trainer. Within the HSUS, she previously served as the director of policy—advancing fair housing policies, supporting humane community cat programs and ending breed-specific legislation—and as the New Hampshire state director. Before joining the HSUS, she spent almost a decade in animal sheltering, overseeing behavioral, medical, adoption and owner support programs at three of New Hampshire’s animal shelters, as well as at a large, urban shelter with an intake of over 30,000 animals per year. She serves on the board of Shelter Animals Count and the New England Federation of Humane Societies.

Book Recommendation: Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking, by Susan Cain

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Oct 31, 202247:06
42: Engaging Children and Animals - Fanimal with Carol Kline and Nora Livingstone (S5)

42: Engaging Children and Animals - Fanimal with Carol Kline and Nora Livingstone (S5)

Episode 6 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

Learning about Fanimal, a way to engage children and youth in Animal science and programs to support an interest in the connection between humans and other animals. 

Guest: Carol Kline is the founder and Managing Director of Fanimal. Through working as a tourism professor in North Carolina, U.S., Carol had the privilege of collaborating with many farming families who wish to develop tourism on their farm as a means to provide extra income and to convey the importance of food production and rural lifestyles. Today she teaches a course on Animals, Tourism, & Sustainability and her research agenda is focused entirely on animals, which intersects with tourism and hospitality quite naturally. She launched Fanimal.online  in 2018 to further satisfy her thirst for animal-related knowledge, her desire to network with animal- and environmentally-focused people, her wish help others find satisfaction by bringing animals into their life and careers, but most of all to be a part of something bigger for the betterment of animal lives. Book Recommendation: Yet to be published  Spiders by Carol Kline and Nora Livingstone

Guest: Nora Livingstone is the CEO and co-founder of Animal Experience International, an award winning B Corp that helps people volunteer on animal welfare and conservation projects. She also is the host of Fanimal's Animal Chat Time where she talks to animal lovers of all ages about narwhals, flying snakes, binturongs and more! She has danced in the CN tower as a panda, Ivor Wynne stadium as a red tailed hawk, Birmingham Grand Central Station as a river otter and on the banks of the Cowichan River as a chinook salmon.  Book Recommendations: The Soul of an Octopus: A Surprising Exploration into the Wonder of Consciousness    by Sy Montgomery

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands


Oct 24, 202255:33
41: Lynda Korimboccus The Peppa Pig Paradox (S5)

41: Lynda Korimboccus The Peppa Pig Paradox (S5)

Episode 5 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals 

I chat with Anthrozoologist, Philosopher, and Social Scientist, Lynda Korimboccus, about her article "The Peppa Pig Paradox" an article published by The Journal for Critical Animal Studies in 2020. 

Guest: Lynda is a passionate advocate for equity and justice, and is Trustee of a newly formed creative social project, The Scheme, in her hometown of Livingston, Scotland. Lynda’s current PhD research investigates the experiences of young vegan children in key Scottish social institutions such as education, with a view to expanding its inclusivity. She is a member of The Vegan Society’s Researcher and Education Networks, and she has been a Lecturer in Sociology and Programme Tutor for the Scottish Wider Access Programme (SWAP) in Social Sciences at West Lothian College for 15 years.

Book Recommendations: Our Children and Other Animals: The Cultural Construction of Human-Animal Relations in Childhood by Kate Mathew Cole and Kate Stewart

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Natasha Matsaert

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

Oct 17, 202256:34
40: Aggression in Dogs Con Mini-Series: A Dog's World with Marco Adda Part 4

40: Aggression in Dogs Con Mini-Series: A Dog's World with Marco Adda Part 4

Part 4 of the Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini-Series

We discuss Marco's work with wolves and free roaming dogs and takeaways form the conference so far!

Guest: Independent researcher, founder and director of AEDC Anthrozoology Education Dogs Canines and PFAH Portugal Focus Animal Help. He leads in-person and online educational programs on dog behavior, free-ranging dogs and wolves. He has studied free-ranging dogs in various countries, conducted field research on Bali dogs, and introduced dogs to schools in Indonesia, Thailand, and Malaysia. He also studied sledge dogs in Quebec, Dingoes in Australia, and wolves in the UK. He supported the rescue of animals in disasters in Indonesia and Portugal. 

Member of the International Society for Anthrozoology, the Animal Behavior Society, and board member for the international Anthrozoology Symposium, Romania.

Book Recommendation: A Dog's World: Imagining the Lives of Dogs in a World without Humans By Jessica Pierce and Marc Bekoff

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Oct 10, 202251:23
39: Aggression in Dogs Con Mini-Series: with Jessica Wheatcraft, CDBC, CPDT-KA Part 5

39: Aggression in Dogs Con Mini-Series: with Jessica Wheatcraft, CDBC, CPDT-KA Part 5

Part 5 of the Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini-Series

I talk with Jessica Wheatcraft about her work with aggression in dogs and leash reactivity. 

Guest: Jessica is the Owner and Director of Behavior and Training at Instinct Dog Training San Diego. She and her team help San Diego dogs and humans live better lives through practical, positive, and effective training & behavior programs.
Jessica has over 15 years of training and behavior consulting experience, working with thousands of pet dogs and their families. She has specialized in behavior issues for the past 10 years, specifically leash reactivity and aggression cases. She takes a comprehensive approach in understanding each individual dog, and tailoring her training plan accordingly.

Book RecommendationAtomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones, by James Clear

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands


Oct 07, 202242:51
38: Aggression in Dogs Con Mini-Series: with Suzanne Clothier Part 4

38: Aggression in Dogs Con Mini-Series: with Suzanne Clothier Part 4

Part 4 of the Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini-Series 

Today I had the great of pleasure talking with Suzanne Clothier. The creator of "Relationship Centered Training" and the Author of one of my favorite books, Bones Would Rain from the Sky: Deepening Our Relationships with Dogs

Guest: Suzanne Clothier has worked with animals professionally since 1977. Her Relationship Centered Training™ approach blends science and heart to create humane, effective and practical solutions for dogs and the people who work with them, whether professional working dogs or couch warming companions. She has presented workshops around the world on a broad range of topics.

An innovative trainer always seeking better ways to understand, assess and improve what we do with and for dogs, Suzanne has developed a variety of Relationship Centered Training techniques, including Treat/Retreat. The author of the ground-breaking Bones Would Rain from the Sky: Deepening Our Relationships With Dogs (Warner, 2002) and many other books, DVDs and training tools, she is currently offering online courses for trainers and dog owners.

A long time breeder of German Shepherds, 11 generations of her dogs have been successful in multiple dog sports, SAR, therapy work, and as guide dog breeding stock. She lives on a working farm in upstate New York with husband John Rice, and their considerable animal family.

Book Recommendations: Kinship with All Life, by J. Allen Boone and The Sound of a Wild Snail Eating by Elisabeth Tova Bailey

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Oct 05, 202201:05:42
36: Aggression in Dogs Con Mini-Series: with Laura Monaco Torelli Part 3

36: Aggression in Dogs Con Mini-Series: with Laura Monaco Torelli Part 3

Part 3 of the Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini-Series  

I talk with Laura Monaco Torelli, KPA CTP/Faculty Instructor, CPDT-KA, about her work with animals in zoos and aquariums as well as discuss her conference talk: The Great Expectations of Cooperative Care: Unravel the Who, Where, What, and Why of Husbandry Behaviors.  

Guest: Laura Monaco Torelli is the founder of Animal Behavior Training Concepts in Chicago, Illinois. She began her career in 1991 at Chicago’s Shedd Aquarium, where she trained beluga whales, dolphins, sea otters, seals, river otters, and penguins. Laura serves as a Faculty Instructor with Karen Pryor Academy for Animal Training & Behavior (KPA), and as a Teaching Assistant for Dr. Susan G. Friedman’s Living & Learning with Animals online course. She offers private training at West Loop Veterinary Care, located in downtown Chicago. 

Book Recommendation: Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes are High, by Kerry Patterson  

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

 This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Oct 04, 202201:00:37
37: Raising Children and Dogs with Colleen Pelar, CPDT(S5)

37: Raising Children and Dogs with Colleen Pelar, CPDT(S5)

Episode 4 of Season 5: Kids and Other Animals  

I chat with Colleen Pelar, CPDT, Author of, Kids and Dogs: A Professional's Guide to Helping Families. Living with Kids and Dogs ... Without Losing Your Mind, and Puppy Training for Kids.  We discuss  Tolerance vs. Enjoyment, breaking down the myth of the 'good dog', respecting canine boundaries and individuality. Having children should not mean that you can't have a dog, but it does require careful consideration of the needs of all human and nonhuman family members.

Guest: Dogs and people have always fascinated Colleen Pelar. When she was a dog trainer, her favorite part of the job wasn't teaching the dog, but improving the relationship between dogs and their people.

Book Recommendations: The Great Gracey Chase: Stop that Dog! by Cynthia Rylant and Plenty in Life Is Free: Reflections on Dogs, Training and Finding Grace By Kathy Sdao
Both are social species, hard-wired to connect, and she loved offering simple, practical tips for building those connections. That's why, over more than 25 years of dog training, she spoke at scores of veterinary and training conferences and wrote three books to help parents and children have successful relationships with their dogs. https://colleenpelar.com/    Livingwithkidsanddogs.com

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Natasha Matsaert 

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

Oct 03, 202201:09:49
35: Aggression in Dogs Con Mini-Series: with Dr. Amber Batson Part 2

35: Aggression in Dogs Con Mini-Series: with Dr. Amber Batson Part 2

Part 2 of the Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini Series 

We talk to Dr. Amber Batson about her work as a veterinarian and behaviorist. She is speaking on the first day of the aggression n Dogs Conference 2022 on the  topic, "Sometimes, it might be Zebras when you hear Hoofs. Unique Medical Conditions in Aggression Cases". We discuss this as well as what she is excited to learn at the conference.  

Guest: Amber graduated from the Royal Vet College, London in 1999 and went straight in to first opinion vet practice.  She soon realized that many elements of her consultations included behaviour, whether as a symptom of potential disease (my dog’s sleeping more than they used to, my dogs more irritable than they used to be), or a direct request for help in a behaviour problem (my dog wont stop eating the cushions) or because understanding dog behaviour facilitated a better relationship with the dog and their human. In 2007 she set up Understand Animals, UK, a business providing behaviour and welfare education for both animal caregivers and professionals. Today she still works in vet practice seeing medical and behaviour cases,  but also teaches behaviour worldwide and works as a legal expert witness in welfare cases. 

Book Recommendation: Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers: An Updated Guide to Stress, Stress Related Diseases, and Coping (2nd Edition) by Robert Sapolsky and The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk M.D. 

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

Sep 28, 202246:23
34: Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini-Series: with Michael Shikashio, CDBC Part 1

34: Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini-Series: with Michael Shikashio, CDBC Part 1

Part 1 of the Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini Series

We talk to Mike about his work in aggression cases and how he is been able to bring education on how to work with aggression cases to more clients and dog trainers through his podcast, The Bitey End Of The Dog , The Aggression in Dogs Conference, as well as ongoing learning through his aggression Master Course

Guest: Michael is fully Certified through the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants and is one  of fewer than 300 CDBCs worldwide. He is the founder  of the Aggression in Dogs Master Course and currently  teaches trainers and behavior consultants in more than  25 countries how to work with aggression cases. 

Book Recommendation: Culture Clash: A New Way Of Understanding The Relationship Between Humans And Domestic Dogs by Jean Donaldson

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

Sep 26, 202255:14
33: Equine Assisted Emotional Learning with Michelle Atterby (S5)

33: Equine Assisted Emotional Learning with Michelle Atterby (S5)

Episode 3 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

Michelle and Marika Discuss how interactions with animals can help children (and adults) develop socially and emotionally. And now I need to bring my kids to visit the sanctuary!

Guest: Michelle Atterby of Eco-Wisdom Sanctuary and Eco Wisdom Adventures: Environmental Education After School Program 

Michelle's Book Recommendation -The Animal's Agenda by Marc Bekoff and Jessica Pierce

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

Sep 19, 202252:12
32: Animal Advocacy in The Classroom with Mike Farley (S5)

32: Animal Advocacy in The Classroom with Mike Farley (S5)

Episode 2 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

We are talking with Mike Farley, founder of the Educators for Animals Conference about how parents, teachers and other faculty can start to think about how animals are presented and represented in the classroom setting.

Book Recommendation: Beasts of Burden: Animal and Disability Liberation

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov.

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

Sep 12, 202252:30
31: Attitudes Towards Animals with Matti Wilks (S5)

31: Attitudes Towards Animals with Matti Wilks (S5)

Episode 1 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

Why do some some people choose to stop eating meat? Would a child save a dog or a person from a sinking boat? Questions like this are posed by Matti and her colleagues to find out how our moral circles are formed and change into adulthood. The implications towards distant others (culturally and physically) are important. 

Book Recommendation: The Most Good You Can Do: How Effective Altruism Is Changing Ideas About Living Ethically

Science Daily Article Fearful Great Danes provide new insights to genetic causes of fear

Guest: Matti Wilks is a Lecturer (Assistant Professor) in the Department of Psychology at the University of Edinburgh. Her background is in social and developmental psychology and she is interested in understanding (and overcoming!) psychological barriers to prosocial and ethical behaviour. At the moment, her research focuses on the factors that shape our moral circles, and why some people are so motivated to help distant others. In addition, she studies attitudes towards cultured meat and why we think natural things are good and unnatural things are bad.

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

Sep 05, 202247:44
Series 5 Trailer- Children and Other Animals

Series 5 Trailer- Children and Other Animals

What's the deal with series 5!

Aug 29, 202203:30
E30: Environmental Justice with Akisha Townsend-Eaton

E30: Environmental Justice with Akisha Townsend-Eaton

Episode 8 of Series 3: Equity and Social Justice in Animal Advocacy

What does Environmental Justice have to do with the connection between humans and other animals? 

Today we're talking to Akisha Townsend Eaton, chief of policy and environmental justice division at companion animals for reform and equity.

We're talking about Disaster relief,

Critical services like Cooling centers in a heat wave, temporary housing, access to healthcare. We're going to discuss how Covid has affected pet owners and community solutions! ;

How we can change things for the better through supporting local initiatives and educating ourselves around how to prepare for major disasters as well as everyday issues like air pollution and asthma.

Guest: Akisha brings over a decade of animal law and policy experience to her current role as Chief of Policy, Environmental Justice Division at CARE. Prior to joining CARE, she worked as a managing attorney for the Animal Legal Defense Fund and as legislative attorney and policy advisor at various other national and international animal protection organizations. Akisha is an AmeriCorps alumni and is currently an active contributor to the Black Appalachian Coalition (BLAC) as well as the legal redress, environmental justice, and economic development committees of her local NAACP chapter, which recently awarded her the Prince and Cora Mack Humanitarian Award.

Akisha's Book Recommendation- The Sum of Us by Heather McGhee   Care Redi Training  https://www.bringfido.com/

https://careawo.org/leadership/  akisha@careawo.org

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

Aug 15, 202258:13
E29: Your Wild Neighbors with Alyssa Ellison

E29: Your Wild Neighbors with Alyssa Ellison

Episode 5 of Series 4: Wildlife Encounters 

We chat with Animal Control Sheriff, Alyssa Ellison in Virginia,  about her work with wildlife around the state. 

Guest: Alyssa Ellison became chief of the Louisa County Sheriff’s Office’s animal control unit in 2019. She works closely with veterinarians and fellow law enforcement on everything from high-profile animal seizures to lost pets. -The Central Virginian. She has also worked in Washington DC as a Shelter Manager and an Animal Control Officer for The Washington Humane Society.

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor. 

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

Aug 01, 202245:37
E28: Animal Care Deserts, Accessibility and Love with CARE CEO, James Evans

E28: Animal Care Deserts, Accessibility and Love with CARE CEO, James Evans

Episode 7 of Series 3: Equity and Social Justice in Animal Advocacy

I talk with CARE CEO, James Evans about the cause of animal care deserts and how a change in perceptions and accessibility can change human and animal lives for good. This episode brings home the issues facing our BIPOC communities and the animals that live with them. 

Guest: James is a multi-awarding winning creative strategist and leader with 25+ years of experience developing relationships between organizations and their constituents. His expertise has been utilized across a diverse group of brands, both non for profit, and for profit. Specific brand experience includes: Timberland, Disney, The Mills Corporation, NAACP, Baltimore Health Department, Maryland Health Department, Kennedy Krieger Institute, CVS Caremark’s Project Health, Safe Streets Baltimore and many other brands.

James and his team have initiated several programs, including the ground breaking Gulf Spay/Neuter Campaign and HSUS’ Pets for Life, which helped reshape animal welfare, while simultaneously advocating for more diversity and inclusion throughout the field.

He has also played an integral part in AWO organization’s projects, including HSUS’ Adopters Welcome, Outdoor Cats Research, Stop Puppy Mills and Spayathon, as well as Best Friends Animal Society’s Outreach Action Team, Maddie’s Fund, and SPCA of Texas’ Let’s Fix This Campaign.

Email:james@careawo.org

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov, https://kaistrandskov.com/

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

Jul 18, 202201:04:33
E27: Summer Special! with Clive Wynne Its all about the dogs...

E27: Summer Special! with Clive Wynne Its all about the dogs...

Summer Special Episode! Prof. Clive Wynne and I discuss dog emotions, why they form attachments to humans, what the biggest questions in dog studies are right now, and the past and future of sheltering. 

Guest: Clive was born and raised on the Isle of Wight, off the south coast of England, studied at University College London, he got his Ph.D. at Edinburgh University before setting off on his travels. After time at the Ruhr-Universitat Bochum, Duke University, Universität Konstanz, the University of Western Australia and the University of Florida, he came to Arizona State University in 2013.

Over the years he has studied the behavior of many species - ranging from pigeons to dunnarts (a small mouse-like marsupial), but some years ago he found a way to meld his childhood love of dogs with his professional training and now studies and teaches the behavior of dogs and their wild relatives. https://www.clivewynne.com/

Recommended Book: Fishing Dogs: a Guide to the History, Talents & Training... By Raymond Coppinger

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov, https://kaistrandskov.com/

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.


Jul 04, 202201:16:53
E26: Pets in Poverty: Pet Retention and Housing with Amanda Arrington, Senior Director or HSUS' Pets for Life

E26: Pets in Poverty: Pet Retention and Housing with Amanda Arrington, Senior Director or HSUS' Pets for Life

Episode 6 of Series 3: Equity and Social Justice in Animal Advocacy

We discuss why understanding the history of The New Deal, Red Lining, and wealth inequity matters when we are trying to help companion animals. How can we, as pet advocates, be proactive about helping the pets in underserved areas of our community. And how serving these communities actually keep animals in their homes. 

Guest: Amanda Arrington (she/her) is the Senior Director of the groundbreaking Pets for Life (PFL) program at the Humane Society of the United States and previously served as a lobbyist and North Carolina State Director for HSUS.? With PFL, Amanda guides a social justice-driven approach to create equity in and access to pet resources and information for people in underserved communities. Under her leadership the program has been implemented in over 50 markets across the country and is working to make companion animal welfare a more just and inclusive movement.

Amanda is also the founder and Executive Director of Beyond Fences, a non-profit based in Durham, NC. The organization builds trust and relationships in communities by providing no-fee pet services and support for people living in underserved areas.

Amanda currently serves as co-chair of The Association for Animal Welfare Advancement’s DEI committee and received the prestigious American Veterinary Medical Association Humane Award in 2018.

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov, https://kaistrandskov.com/

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

Jun 20, 202249:00
E25: Falconry with Silvia Mutterle

E25: Falconry with Silvia Mutterle

Episode 4 of Series 4: Wildlife Encounters 

Learn about the ancient connection between humans and raptors with Falconer, Silvia Mutterle. 

Guest: "Born in Italy but a citizen of the world, I’ve nurtured in time a deep connection with nature and birds of prey in particular.

I consider other animals as my guides and mentors in a neo-shamanic perspective, and I believe in the human-hawk entanglement as a form of post-humanist co-education.

As a founder of Falconeria Zen www.falconeriazen.org

Silvia's work with the birds aims to establish a deep understanding and vibrant interconnection between humans, other animals and the environment in the heartfelt awareness that everything is interconnected.

Falconeria Zen wants to offer a very respectful and sometimes spiritual approach to birds of prey as some of the most iconic and worshiped animals in human perception, because they represent the incarnation of all those height qualities that humans most admire. "I humbly observe, feel and establish a connection with them so that I can pass their message on to other fellow humans."

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov, https://kaistrandskov.com/

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

Jun 06, 202242:59
E24: Companion Animals for Reform and Equity with COO Jen Evans

E24: Companion Animals for Reform and Equity with COO Jen Evans

Episode 5 of Series 3: Equity and Social Justice in Animal Advocacy

I chat with CARE'S COO, Jen Evans, about why reform is needed in the animal care industry and what steps CARE is taking to help the process along. 

We discuss CARE'S efforts in research, sharing narratives, and policy change. All areas that, according to Jen, could use the perspective of a BIPOC person to reform in order to promote an atmosphere of listening and inclusion for human and well as companion animal well-being. 

Guest:Jennifer Evans studied studio art in school and has over 20 years experience in marketing and publishing as both a designer and Art Director. She is the COO and Art Director for Illume Communications and is a wardrobe stylist.

Jennifer is also the Chief Operating Officer for CARE. As a highly organized logistics expert, she manages CARE’s staff and workflow. Aside from her visual communications and organizational skills, Jen brings an in-depth knowledge of social media marketing strategies and narrative production. Much of her recent work within the animal welfare field has included innovative campaign strategies and production for large scale projects such as Breaking Bias for HSUS Expo 2019, Stop Puppy Mills Video campaign, Petstablished, Let’s Fix This, HSUS’ Spayathon, and HSUS’ Adopter’s Welcome toolkit.

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov, https://kaistrandskov.com/

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

May 23, 202201:00:28