The Deal With Animals with Marika S. Bell
By Marika S. Bell
Humans interact with animals every day of our lives. Even those without pets interact with animals in various ways: diet, wildlife, the clothes they wear. Even most medicines use animals in testing or in the medicine itself. This is a podcast about Anthrozoology: the study of interaction between humans and non-human animals.
My hope is to help in research accessibility to listeners while bringing the lived experience of our human connection with animals to academia.
www.thedealwithanimals.com hosted and edited by Marika S. Bell.
Music composed by Kai Strandskov kaistrandskov.com
My hope is to help in research accessibility to listeners while bringing the lived experience of our human connection with animals to academia.
www.thedealwithanimals.com hosted and edited by Marika S. Bell.
Music composed by Kai Strandskov kaistrandskov.com
E23: Hunting Women: Exploring a hunter's perspective on killing, providing, and connection to the natural world.
Episode 3, Series 4: Wildlife Encounters. I'm talking with Sue Alexander, full time dog trainer and part time hunter. We discuss gender roles, the goal of a hunter (hint its not necessarily what you think), providing for the community, and the benefits of hunting to conservation. Guest: Sue Alexander is the co-owner with her husband, John, of Dogs in the Park, a dog training and behaviour consulting company in Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Sue has been actively involved in dog sports for the past twenty years, competing in obedience, rally and agility. She is an experienced service dog trainer, specializing in training dogs for those with psychiatric disabilities. Sue was a content editor of the critically acclaimed book “Canine Behavior A Photo Illustrated Handbook.” Outside of the dog fancy, Sue is active in Powwow dancing, hiking and reading. Host: Marika started her career with non-human animals while obtaining her University degree in Zoology (UW). Initially she worked with large carnivores at zoos but after taking a course in dog training, and obtaining her CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers, she caught the animal welfare ‘bug’ and has been working with shelters and sanctuaries internationally for more than a decade. During this time she received the Susan Wilkens Achievement Award from APDTAU for her work in the sheltering community and The Queen's Diamond Jubilee award for Meritorious Volunteer Service. She completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She served a term as the board president in 2020 and continues to serve on the leadership team as the past president. Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts! Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov, https://kaistrandskov.com/ Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.
May 09, 2022
E22: Ecofeminism and Entangled Empathy with Lori Gruen
Episode4, Series 3: Equity and Social Justice in Animal Advocacy: Ecofeminist Lori Gruen, shares insights with us about ecofeminist values and the connection between the oppression of women, people of global majority, animals, and the environment. Guest: Lori Gruen is the William Griffin Professor of Philosophy at Wesleyan University. She is also a professor of Feminist, Gender, and Sexuality Studies, Science in Society, and founder and coordinator of Wesleyan Animal Studies. She is the author and editor of 15 books, including Entangled Empathy (Lantern, 2015); Critical Terms for Animal Studies (Chicago, 2018) and Ethics and Animals: An Introduction (Cambridge, 2011, second edition 2022). Gruen’s work lies at the intersection of ethical and political theory and practice, she critically interrogates oppressive systems that impact those often overlooked in traditional ethical investigations, e.g. women, people of color, incarcerated people, non-human animals. Gruen has been involved in animal issues as a writer, teacher, and activist for over 25 years. Her relationships with scholars thinking about animals, activists working to protect animals, and, perhaps most importantly, with many different animals, uniquely inform her perspective on how we need to rethink our engagement with other animals. She has published extensively on topics in animal ethics and ecofeminism and has become known as a bit of an archivist for chimpanzees in the US given her work documenting the history of The First 100 chimpanzees in research in the US (http://first100chimps.wesleyan.edu) and the journey to sanctuary of the remaining chimpanzees in research labs, The Last 1000 (http://last1000chimps.com). See: www.lorigruen.com Host: Marika started her career with non-human animals while obtaining her University degree in Zoology (UW). Initially she worked with large carnivores at zoos but after taking a course in dog training, and obtaining her CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers, she caught the animal welfare ‘bug’ and has been working with shelters and sanctuaries internationally for more than a decade. During this time she received the Susan Wilkens Achievement Award from APDTAU for her work in the sheltering community and The Queen's Diamond Jubilee award for Meritorious Volunteer Service. She completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She served a term as the board president in 2020 and continues to serve on the leadership team as the past president. Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts! Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov, https://kaistrandskov.com/ Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.
April 25, 2022
E21: Spring Special! Hal Herzog: On the the Past, Present, and Future of Anthrozoology
We talk with Author of "Some We Love, Some We Hate, Some We Eat", Hal Herzog, about some of the bigger questions facing anthrozoology right now. Where Anthrozoology is going and what got us here in the first place. Guest: Hal Herzog has been investigating the complex psychology of our interactions with other species for more than two decades. He is particularly interested in how people negotiate real-world ethical dilemmas, and he has studied animal activists, cockfighters, animal researchers, and circus animal trainers. An award-winning teacher and researcher, he has written more than 100 articles and book chapters. His research has been published in journals such as Science, The American Psychologist, The Journal of the Royal Society, The American Scholar, New Scientist, Anthrozoös, BioScience, The Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, and Animal Behavior. His work has been covered by Newsweek, Slate, Salon, National Public Radio, Scientific American, USA Today, The Washington Post, The Boston Globe, The Chicago Tribune and many other newspapers. In 2013, he was given the Distinguished Scholar Award by the International Society for Anthrozoology. Hal Herzog is Professor of Psychology at Western Carolina University and lives in the Smoky Mountains with his wife Mary Jean and their cat Tilly. Hal’s blog – Animals and Us Hal’s research and some web-accessible articles Host: Marika started her career with non-human animals while obtaining her University degree in Zoology (UW). Initially she worked with large carnivores at zoos but after taking a course in dog training, and obtaining her CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers, she caught the animal welfare ‘bug’ and has been working with shelters and sanctuaries internationally for more than a decade. During this time she received the Susan Wilkens Achievement Award from APDTAU for her work in the sheltering community and The Queen's Diamond Jubilee award for Meritorious Volunteer Service. She completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She served a term as the board president in 2020 and continues to serve on the leadership team as the past president. Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts! Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed and performed by Kai Strandskov, https://kaistrandskov.com/ Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.
April 11, 2022
E20: A Discussion with Jasmin Singer, Part 2: Animal Advocacy Activist and Editor of Antiracism in Animal Advocacy: Igniting Cultural Transformation
A discussion with Jasmin Singer, Editor of Encompass Essays Antiracism in Animal Advocacy: Igniting Cultural Transformation....We had a conversation about an issue that is important to all of us and yet both her and I being white, have mostly seen the privileged side of this. So there are moments that we have a difficult time putting into words our thoughts or even recognizing the white privilege that we hold. After the interview Jasmin contacted me with some of the same concerns I had already felt. Neither of us being experts, Had we done Justice to the topic? Could we put this discussion out into the world? In the end we decided we should, because just as the book suggested, we were having the difficult conversation and trying to work out how we can make things better. And even if we don't get it right we are going to try and we're going to keep trying. So if nothing else, this is an excellent example of the kind of conversation that we all need to be having! Because we're not going to get it right the first time, and making the effort is important. Perhaps by sharing our effort we will encourage others to do the same. Listen to the audio essays form the book on Our Hen House Podcast! Episode 612.5: "Antiracism in Animal Advocacy" Audio Series Episode Part I - Awakening - Our Hen House Bio- Jasmin Singer is the author of The VegNews Guide to Being a Fabulous Vegan (Hachette Go, 2020) and the memoir Always Too Much and Never Enough (Penguin Random House Berkley; 2016). She's the co-founder and co-host of the award-winning Our Hen House podcast and nonprofit (now in its eleventh year), the Director of Content & Partnerships for Kinder Beauty, and the editor of the Encompass Essays: Antiracism in Animal Advocacy: Igniting Cultural Transformation. Jasmin was named a “40 Under 40” by The Advocate Magazine, a top “Eco-Preneur” by Go Magazine, and can be seen in documentaries including Vegucated and The Ghosts In Our Machine. She has been a featured expert on TV shows such as “The Dr. Oz Show,” has contributed to several anthologies and led hundreds of workshops around the globe, and debuted her Tedx talk—“Compassion Unlocks Identity”—last year. Jasmin’s career started twenty years ago as an AIDS-awareness activist with the educational theater company, and she later went on to become the Campaigns Manager for Farm Sanctuary. Jasmin is committed to using personal narrative as a means to create change; emboldening and collaborating with do-gooders to tell their stories; creatively using media as a means of activism; and continuing to learn about the endless overlaps within social justice, and let that information inform her change-making efforts. Theme Music composed by Kai Strandskov www.kaistrandskov.com
March 28, 2022
E19: Fuzz: When Nature Breaks the Law- A Chat with Author, Mary Roach
Mary Roach's wry humor marries well with the funny but often unfortunate conclusions of human encounters with wildlife. We'll have a lot of fun discussing some stories from the book as well as other things that fascinate 6x New York Times Best Seller, Mary Roach. We'll be talking about her most recent book, Fuzz: When Nature Breaks the Law. This book has all sorts of fascinating stories and I get to spend 45 minutes talking to her about her experiences writing the book and her personal experiences with wildlife. To be honest, we both geek out a little bit about birds. Mary Roach is the author of the New York Times bestsellers STIFF, SPOOK, BONK, GULP, GRUNT, and PACKING FOR MARS. Her new book FUZZ: When Nature Breaks the Law, debuts in September 2021. Mary has written for National Geographic, Wired, and The New York Times Magazine, among others, and her TED talk made the TED 20 Most Watched list. She has been a guest editor for Best American Science and Nature Writing, a finalist for the Royal Society's Winton Prize, and a winner of the American Engineering Societies' journalism award, in a category for which, let's be honest, she was the sole entrant. More at www.maryroach.net Theme music for this episode was composed by Kai Strandskov www.kaistrandskov.com
March 14, 2022
E18: Breaking Stereotypes and Talking About Cats with The TrapKing, Sterling Davis
Episode 18 is part of Series 3: Equity and Social Justice in Animal Advocacy. The TrapKing, Sterling Davis tells us about Trap-Neuter-Release and how he (and his episode on the new Netflix Series, Cat People) shows his work across the US providing compassionate, accessible, medical care for stray cats. Sterling Davis works to bridge the gap between the black community and animal welfare work. We're talking about the stereotypes around men and particularly black men and cats. And we are talking about cats. Lots of cats. Theme music composed by Kai Strandskov www.kaistrandskov.com
February 28, 2022
E17: The Civet Lovers Club with Phd Candidate, Jes Hooper
What the heck is a civet and why do people love them?! Find out on this episode, the first in series 4, all about wildlife encounters! Jes Hooper is an Anthrozoology PhD candidate at the University of Exeter in the UK and a member of Exeter’s Anthrozoology as Symbiotic Ethics (EASE) working group. Jes’ current research focuses on human-animal encounters within the trade in exotic wildlife for the pet, coffee, tourism, and zoo industries. Jes’ PhD project, The Civet Project, is a multi-species and multi-sited ethnography following the stories of Viverridae species entangled within live animal trade, with encounters viewed through a trans-species lens. Jes’ work actively engages with interdisciplinary scholarship including collaborations with visual artists, critical tourism academics, conservationists, zookeepers and fellow anthrozoologists. Jes lectures part time on two undergraduate programs in Animal Behaviour, Welfare and Conservation at Plumpton College, Sussex, and blogs under the name Shilo & Patch.
February 14, 2022
E16: Antiracism in Animal Advocacy Part 1: A Discussion with Encompass Executive Director Aryenish Birdie
Battling all forms of oppression will advance the animal rights movement. We can't continue to be ignorant of how inhumane treatment of humans feeds into the abuses of animals. Join me for this important first discussion on Antiracism in Animal Welfare with Aryenish Birdie, Executive Director of Encompass and the newly launched book Antiracism in Animal Advocacy: Igniting Cultural Transformation
January 31, 2022
New Theme Music!
Listen to the next big hit record! You will be wanting to play it to yourself in the car all day! You will ask the radio to play it because its awesome! You will listen to every furture episode, no matter the topic, just to hear the intro! I love it! Here it is, The Deal with Animals Theme Music! Music composed by Kai Strandskov! https://www.facebook.com/KaiStrandskov/ https://kaistrandskov.com/
January 30, 2022
Series 3 & 4 Trailer: Equity and Social Justice in Animal Advocacy and Wildlife Encounters
Series Three is taking a look at the growing pains and bright spots of bringing equity and social justice to the animal welfare and many other areas of animal advocacy. You will meet amazing people and learn how you can take steps to move animal welfare into diversity and help all animals along the way. Series Four will be running concurrently (every other week) and will be discussions with humans who live with or have direct contact with wild (non-domesticated) animals. Get ready for some surprising stories!
January 24, 2022
E15: The History of the Conservation Movement with Author and Journalist, Michelle Nijhuis
The historical tradition that is The Conservation Movement spans thousands of years. What can we learn from past mistakes and bright spots so that conservation, biodiversity, and the tradition of saving the environment, wildlife and ourselves succeeds? Michelle Nijhuis is the author of the new book Beloved Beasts: Fighting for Life in an Age of Extinction, a history of the modern conservation movement. A project editor at The Atlantic, she is also a longtime contributing editor at High Country News and an award-winning reporter whose work has been published in National Geographic and the New York Times Magazine. She lives in White Salmon, Washington.
January 17, 2022
E14: Eco-Volunteering or Eco-tourism? Talking to Laura Coleman of Bolivian NGO, Comunidad Inti Wara Yassi
Talking to Author and Chair of Friends of Inti Wara Yassi, Laura Coleman about the Bolivian NGO, Comunidad Inti Wara Yassi (CIWY). CIWY is a non-profit founded by Nena Baltazar, recognized by Women's World Summit Foundation for her environmental activism. CIWY is dedicated to educating young people in Bolivia about their environment and providing safe haven for illegally trafficked wildlife. With three wildlife sanctuaries in Bolivia, CIWY invites volunteers worldwide to work directly with their, over 500 animals, including primates and Big Cats. No previous experience needed. Find out from Author of "The Puma Years", Laura Coleman who has volunteered with Comunidad Inti Wara Yassi for almost two decades.
January 03, 2022
E13: Conservation Detection Dogs with Kayla Fratt of Conservation K9
This may be an aspect of conservation you haven't heard of before. Conservation detection canines; They are trained to scent, track and find endangered species, invasive species, or just dead bats. This topic is fun and entertaining and it doesn't hurt that Kayla is a super optimist.
December 20, 2021
E12: The Possum Predicament with Researcher, Emily Major
Eradicating or Saving the Australian Brushtail Possum in New Zealand? That's the question posed by PhD Candidate, Emily Major. Emily’s research, examines the mainstream ‘possum-as-pest’ discourse in conservation and considers how compassionate conservation principles could help alleviate suffering and cruelty towards the brushtail possum. In tandem with her research, Emily began her blog, Framing Speciesism, which seeks to bridge the knowledge gap between academic scholarship and the general public. This blog, which discusses the framing of possums in short, digestible posts, can be found at framingspeciesism.com Framing Speciesism framingspeciesism.com
December 06, 2021
E11: How to Be a Humane Gardener with Nancy Lawson, The Humane Gardener
Nancy tells us about how to cultivate a beautiful garden that is also safe and inviting for the creatures to visit. Learn about the new HOA law in MD and join in Nancy's citizen science project documenting Monarch Butterfly leaf-scratching behavior. Nancy Lawson is the author of The Humane Gardener: Nurturing a Backyard Habitat for Wildlife, a habitat consultant, and a national speaker on garden ecology. She founded Humane Gardener to pioneer creative planting strategies and other animal-friendly landscaping methods. Lawson’s presentations at diverse venues—from national wildlife refuges to local wildflower preserves—have inspired even seasoned horticulturists and wildlife experts to look at their landscapes in a new way. Certified as a Chesapeake Bay Landscape Professional and master naturalist, she partners with conservation and animal advocacy organizations in central Maryland. Her book and garden have been featured in The New York Times, The Washington Post, and other media outlets.
November 22, 2021
E10: The Vision and Mission of Born Free USA with CEO Angela Grimes
Did you see the Motion Picture Born Free when you were a kid? I did! It was the beginning of my journey into animal advocacy field. Angela Grimes CEO of Born Free USA talks to us about the Vision and Mission of Born Free USA, The Born Free Primate Sanctuary and other projects important to having a "positive impact on animals in the wild and protect their ecosystems in perpetuity, for their own intrinsic value and for the critical roles they play within the natural world". In 2002, Born Free USA was launched in the United States to bring Born Free’s vision to the American public. In 2007, Born Free merged with Animal Protection Institute (API). Born Free operates one of the largest primate sanctuaries in the United States. The 175-acre sanctuary, located in south Texas, provides a safe, permanent home to approximately 400 monkeys, many rescued from abuse in roadside zoos or as “pets” in private homes or retired from animal experimentation. Born Free USA
November 08, 2021
E9: October Special! Ornithomancy: Birds as Omens, Prophecies and Messengers of the Gods with Folklore Historian, Boria Sax
A special "spooky" episode to celebrate the season. A fascinating look into the 'Animal Lens' (how humans view themselves through other animals). Author of, Avian Illuminations and City of Ravens, among others, fascinates us with stories of the legend of ravens in the Tower of London, Birds as souls, and messengers to the Gods.
October 25, 2021
E8: Salmon Conservation in the Pacific Northwest with Dan Hintz
If you love the Pacific Northwest, Salmon, and conserving our waterways, then this is definitely the episode for you.
October 11, 2021
Series Two Trailer: Conservation
Ultimately when humans talk about conserving diversity whether that be animal or plant we're also talking about conserving ourselves and preserving the lifestyles that we want for our children. This series we take a wide-ranging look at a variety of aspects of conservation as it pertains to how humans interact with other animals. We'll be talking to the CEO of Born Free USA, a leading wildlife charity that opposes the exploitation of wild animals in captivity, the owner of K9 conservationists an organization that trains dogs to detect endangered or invasive plants for animals, how to be a humane gardener in your own backyard, salmon habitat restoration and more! Our discussion on conservation will take us across the United States and all the way to New Zealand!
October 09, 2021
E7: Recognizing and Overcoming Compassion Fatigue with Hilary Hager of HSUS
This episode just might make you a happier person. You might think this episode would only be for those in animal welfare who feel sad, but just you wait! This is such a fascinating and important area to understand for anyone's mental and physical wellbeing.
September 27, 2021
E6: Dog Bites: The Fallout and Emotional Toll with Dr. Sara Owczarczak-Garstecka
When a dog bites it doesn't just cause physical injury but emotional injury to the victim as well as the dog's caregiver. Dr Sara obtained her PhD researching the emotional toll of dog bites and now works for Dog's Trust, UK on a longitudinal study on health, welfare, and behavior of dogs from puppy to golden years.
September 13, 2021
E5: Animal Assisted Interactions with Clare Thomas-Pino
Discussing the uses and ethics of Animal Assisted Interactions, Therapies, and services with Clare Thomas-Pinot, adjunct professor and Post Doctoral Candidate at the University of Main.
August 30, 2021
E4: Holistic Pet Medicine with Dr. Jackie Sehn
Dr Jackie and I discuss Holistic pet medicine: What is it, why does she practice it, how does it work with an integrated health plan? Dr Jackie is a Veterinarian specializing in Holistic pet medicine at Mercy Vet on Mercer Island, WA.
August 15, 2021
The Welcome Episode
The goals of this podcast and an introduction
August 09, 2021
E3: A Chat with Suzanne Clothier and Preparing Our Dogs for Post Pandemic Life
So many of us worked from home this year that many people decided to get an animal companion. Many of these dogs have had no experience or are out of practice with being left at home alone. I talk with Author and International dog trainer, Suzanne Clothier, about our dog's mental/emotional health and how to prepare our dogs for post-pandemic life. But just to set some expectations we go on for awhile just having a nice chat about life with animals.
July 31, 2021
E2: Pet Acupuncture with Dr. Taryn Rathbone
What is pet acupuncture and how does it work? Dr. Taryn Rathbone discusses this and chats about dogs, horses and her experiences with animals.
July 16, 2021
E1: One Health: Our Pets and Covid 19 with Dr. Julianne Meisner
Have you wondered if you pets could catch Covid 19 if you get sick? Can they pass it to each other or even bring it home to you? I am talking with Dr Julianne Miesner on her research with companion animals and Covid 19. I'll publish a link to her research and how you can get involved on my webpage at TheDealWithAnimal.com and on facebook at The Deal With Animals.
July 01, 2021
Whats Up Anthrozoology?
The Trailer. Introduction to Anthrozoology and myself, Marika S. Bell
June 13, 2021