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Christian Music Industry Podcast

Christian Music Industry Podcast

By Wisdom Moon

A weekly podcast, for Christian music artists and fans, hosted by Wisdom Moon featuring conversations with a diverse lineup of Christian artists, songwriters and music industry experts sharing their insights to help you navigate the Christian music industry. Wisdom is the Founder/Owner of Lula Music Group and Lula Street Records + General Manager of Pure Mosaic Records. He's worked with hundreds of artists and has played a leadership role at two of the biggest Christian record labels.
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Stop Releasing Music on Spotify

Christian Music Industry PodcastMay 06, 2024

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Stop Releasing Music on Spotify

Stop Releasing Music on Spotify

This week on the Christian Music Industry podcast, Wisdom Moon tackles the controversial topic of whether independent artists in the early stages of their career should stop releasing music on Spotify and other streaming platforms.


Joined by Rachel Panasyuk from Pure Mosaic Records, they dive deep into the rationale behind this advice and discuss practical strategies for building an authentic fanbase before investing heavily into releasing music. From leveraging social media and YouTube to gauging audience interest through covers and original snippets, Wisdom shares wisdom gained from over 17 years in the industry.


They also explore topics like finding your ideal fan, knowing when you're truly ready to launch music, the importance of consistency, and innovative content ideas for new artists starting from zero followers. Whether you're an aspiring artist or an industry veteran, this candid conversation offers fresh perspectives that could save you time, money and frustration on your musical journey.


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May 06, 202435:44
#WisdomfromWisdom: Do You Move at the Speed of Your Dreams?
Apr 29, 202402:01
#WisdomfromWisdom: Are Christian Artists Lazy?
Apr 22, 202402:48
Kevin Kookogey: An Entertainment Lawyer's Experience in the Christian Music Industry

Kevin Kookogey: An Entertainment Lawyer's Experience in the Christian Music Industry

In this episode, host Wisdom Moon sits down with veteran entertainment lawyer Kevin Kookogey, who has represented hundreds of artists, publishers, labels, and more over his 32-year career. Kevin shares the fascinating story of how he broke into the Nashville scene and landed his first major client, Newsboys, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges of getting established. He goes on to deliver incredibly nuanced advice catered to today's music landscape - from typical label deal structures for new artists, to copyright and royalty considerations, to best practices for how churches should handle publishing with worship teams.


With an emphasis on clear client communication and viewing industry relationships as partnerships, Kevin draws upon his decades of experience to address complex issues like registering with performance rights organizations in easy-to-understand ways. Whether you're an artist, writer, pastor or label, this is an utterly invaluable masterclass in Christian music business and legal affairs from one of the industry's most respected names.


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Apr 15, 202401:09:25
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Apr 01, 202402:25
All In for Worship: Amanda Janson's Surprising Journey to Music Ministry

All In for Worship: Amanda Janson's Surprising Journey to Music Ministry

On this episode of the Christian Music Industry podcast, host Wisdom Moon sits down with singer-songwriter Amanda Janson. Amanda shares her incredible testimony of how she went from being a Broadway theater kid in New York City to becoming a follower of Jesus and pursuing a career in Christian music.

You'll hear the fascinating story of how a random Starbucks run and a Chick-fil-A sandwich played a pivotal role in her coming to faith. Amanda also opens up about her family's move to Nashville and how winning an online singing competition hosted by Rixon Entertainment unexpectedly paved the way.

Amanda gets vulnerable about the challenges of being a Christian artist, including placing false callings on your life versus pursuing what God has truly called you to. She discusses how the worship music genre has become her heartbeat and calling.

Additionally, Amanda shares practical insights on using platforms like TikTok for authentic ministry, the pros and cons of living in Nashville as a Christian artist, and her advice for independent artists seeking first the Kingdom of God. Don't miss this inspiring and story-filled episode!


Amanda Janson is a singer/songwriter, wife and mother of 3 based in Nashville, TN. After giving her life to the Lord in 2013, Amanda began leading worship and writing songs about her faith. Music is in her DNA and she couldn't imagine using her love for music in any other way than to serve the Lord. Her greatest desire is to release music that turns the listeners back to Him.


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Mar 18, 202430:21
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Mar 04, 202419:05
Why Everything That Matters, Matters So Much: A Conversation with Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth

Why Everything That Matters, Matters So Much: A Conversation with Charlie Peacock and Andi Ashworth

Host Wisdom Moon interviews veteran Christian music artist Charlie Peacock and his wife Andi Ashworth about their new book "Why Everything That Matters, Matters So Much", which shares stories and wisdom from their lives in music, art, food, marriage and more. They discuss the importance of vocational calling, living hospitably, embracing wisdom from elders, finding balance and rest, and valuing the small acts of service that change the world. Peacock also shares about his cinematic music podcast, Music and Meaning.


Charlie Peacock, born Charles William Ashworth in Yuba City, California is a Nashville-based, 4x Grammy® Award-winning, multi-format jazz and pop recording artist, composer and record producer. Peacock’s production credits range from Chris Cornell and Ladysmith Black Mambazo to AAA and Americana successes such as The Lone Bellow, Holly Williams, The Civil Wars, Ben Rector and Brett Dennen. 


A native Californian, Andi Ashworth has lived in Nashville, Tennessee with her family since 1989. She is a writer and diarist, Master Gardener, cook, maker of home and lover of good books. Unique to her vocation, Andi has been a companion-along-the-way to many people, sharing stories about life and its challenges over meals, walks and cups of tea. After providing hospitality to thousands of people in her home, The Art House, it is her joy to be in a new home and a more private season of life, enabling her to create comfort and beauty on a smaller scale. She loves gathering her family around the table, discussions with her book group and Scrabble games with her husband – a perk of their later years.


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Feb 26, 202438:26
#WisdomfromWisdom: Growth through Spotify Playlists?
Jan 08, 202403:38
Nick Day with Bethany Music: Stewarding Influence with Jesus at the Center

Nick Day with Bethany Music: Stewarding Influence with Jesus at the Center

In this week's episode of the Christian Music Industry Podcast, we have worship leader Nick Day from Bethany Music in Baton Rouge, LA. Nick shares raw and transparent insights about the journey of stewarding a growing social media platform with integrity. He talks about the boundaries and mindset shifts that help him stay grounded in his calling versus getting distracted by metrics. For worship leaders and creatives managing an online presence, Nick offers wisdom about protecting your intimacy with God and not putting the main focus on pursuing platform success. His story will inspire you to create from a place of authenticity rather than trying to manufacture viral moments. We hope you will walk away challenged to keep Jesus as the loudest voice directing your impact and influence.

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Nov 27, 202330:35
Longevity and Legacy: Meredith Andrews on Navigating the Peaks and Valleys of a 15-Year Music Career

Longevity and Legacy: Meredith Andrews on Navigating the Peaks and Valleys of a 15-Year Music Career

In this week's episode, we are joined by veteran worship artist Meredith Andrews. She talks about the unique twists and turns of her extensive career in Christian music and the tension between building God's kingdom and pursuing personal success in the industry. Meredith transparently shares inspiring and surprising stories from her journey, including a pivotal moment early on when God spoke to her in a powerful way. She offers some thought-provoking insights for creatives trying to find community and build a career in Christian music.

Meredith also discusses the intriguing reasons she has chosen to partner long-term with the same record label despite challenges along the way. Meredith's words reveal so much wisdom gained from her 15+ years in the Christian music industry. Tune in to hear more!

Curb|Word artist, Meredith Andrews, is passionate about writing and leading songs that keep people's hearts and minds set on Jesus. The Dove Award-winning artist has been using her musical gifts, love for God, and her huge heart for His people - to teach and remind us all about the enormity of our awesome and loving Savior.

Meredith, who previously was on staff at Harvest Bible Chapel in Chicago now leads regularly at The Belonging CO, her home church in Nashville. As a gifted songwriter and recording artist, she has been a part of multiple songs sung by churches across America such as “Open Up The Heavens,” “Lamb of God,” “Not For A Moment,” and “Spirit of the Living God.” Meredith often leads worship at major women’s and/or worship leader conferences across the U.S. and has toured with Matt Maher, Natalie Grant, BigDaddy Weave, Vertical Church, Phil Wickham, and Michael W. Smith, among others.

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Nov 13, 202323:01
Celebrating 5 Years of Marketing with Wisdom and Reflecting on the Journey

Celebrating 5 Years of Marketing with Wisdom and Reflecting on the Journey

Sep 26, 202352:52
Keeping Worship Christ-Centered with BJ Putnam
Aug 28, 202332:53
Unlocking the Heart of Worship Songwriting with Aaron Williams

Unlocking the Heart of Worship Songwriting with Aaron Williams

On our latest episode, we welcome Aaron Williams from The Worship Initiative to discuss the journey of worship songwriting and leading. Aaron shares his story of growing up in a musical household and how he organically began writing worship songs. We discuss the importance of humility in songwriting, the role of community in maintaining spiritual health, and the significance of persevering through moments of burnout.

Get a sneak peek into the behind-the-scenes world of The Worship Initiative as Aaron gives insights into the team's collaborative efforts, their process of creating resources, and the balance between creativity and administrative tasks. Discover the art of staying inspired even when faced with writer's block, and the power of developing deep, lasting songs that resonate with people over time.

Join us at our Worship Songwriters Retreat this October 18-20 in Kansas City for the chance to gain even more knowledge from Aaron Williams and others! Go to rawkc.org/worship-songwriters-retreat to apply today; spots are limited!

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Aug 21, 202334:20
Coaching Session: Norden Pass
Apr 17, 202335:37
Coaching Session: FAC Music
Apr 10, 202337:24
Coaching Session: JWOODZ
Mar 27, 202336:53
Laurel Taylor on Leaving Her Past Behind and Walking with Resilience

Laurel Taylor on Leaving Her Past Behind and Walking with Resilience

On this episode of the Christian Music Industry Podcast, I had the pleasure of interviewing Laurel Taylor, a talented musician who uses her gift of music to share the message of Jesus. Laurel's walk with Jesus began in a Christian household, where she learned about faith and the power of prayer from her parents. However, it wasn't until January 2015 when Laurel had a personal encounter with Jesus on the side of the road in Nashville that she gave her life fully to Him.

Laurel's journey has been a remarkable one. She moved from Tennessee, where she was pursuing a career in country music, to Alabama, where she made a bold declaration to God to not touch a guitar until He put something in front of her. The Lord answered her prayer by bringing a Christian music group to her attention, and she eventually moved to Indiana to learn, write, and grow in her faith. Through it all, Laurel has maintained a personal focus on relationships and using her music as a means of sharing her heart and story. "I don't care who I play for," she says. "I just want to get the Gospel out." Her passion for sharing Jesus has opened many doors for her in the music industry. She promotes herself to radio stations, and through these opportunities, she has been able to share the message of Jesus with a wider audience. It was a privilege to speak with Laurel, and we are excited to see how God continues to use her music to spread His message of love and hope.

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Mar 20, 202332:35
Sean BE on His Journey to Winter Jam
Mar 13, 202333:17
The Journey of a Songwriter with Jonathan Ogden

The Journey of a Songwriter with Jonathan Ogden

On this episode, we are bringing back an interview from 2021 with Jonathan Ogden, a talented musician, producer, and designer from Manchester, UK. Jonathan Ogden is an artist who has greatly impacted the Christian music industry. In our interview, Jonathan shares his journey from growing up in the church and writing songs in his bedroom to making a full-time music career, reaching hundreds of thousands of people across the globe. He talks about the challenges he faced in his career, including the pressure to create music that resonates with listeners and staying true to his artistic vision. He also shares the importance of collaborating with other artists and how it has helped him grow as a musician and songwriter.

From delicate acoustic songs to jazz and hip-hop-infused pop, Jonathan crafts musical soundscapes that invite the listener on a journey. With a background in graphic design he is passionate about exploring the intersection of visual art and music to form a complete experience. Describing his songs as ‘prayers set to music’ he expresses his faith through psalm-like lyrics and sweeping, melodic instrumentation. 
 Following the release of his beat tape, Twenty Four, and an acoustic EP, Songs From Home, Jonathan has now released his debut album Future Forever.

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Mar 06, 202335:37
 The Journey of a Songwriter: Song Publishing with Mike Murray

The Journey of a Songwriter: Song Publishing with Mike Murray

This week's episode continues our series on The Journey of a Songwriter. We have Mike Murray joining us to talk about song publishing. He emphasizes the importance of networking and building relationships in the music industry. As a publisher, he meets with songwriters and artists to understand what they want to create and then connects them with other professionals, such as producers and writers, to bring their vision to life. This episode provides a fascinating insight into the world of song publishing and a music publisher's work. Mike's experience and industry knowledge offer valuable advice for aspiring songwriters and anyone interested in pursuing a career in the Christian music industry.

Mike has been working in Nashville with Christian record labels since 1997, serving 7 years with Capitol CMG, 5 years with Provident Label Group, 12 years with Integrity Music, and most recently has joined Hillsong Music Publishing as their Head of Creative (still based in Nashville). During those years, he has had the honor of working with GRAMMY, Dove Award and Stellar Award-winning artists and songwriters like Hillsong UNITED, Leeland, Kari Jobe, All Sons & Daughters, Benjamin Hastings, Matt Redman, Mitch Wong, Lincoln Brewster, Israel & New Breed, Ben Tan, Paul Baloche, William McDowell and more. Prior to his time with labels, Mike paid his "roadie" dues for a couple of years, touring with 4-Him and with Geoff Moore & The Distance.

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Feb 27, 202341:35
 The Journey of a Songwriter: Writing Worship with Eric & Krissy Nordhoff

The Journey of a Songwriter: Writing Worship with Eric & Krissy Nordhoff

On today's episode, we talk about what it's like to work together in entrepreneurship as a married couple. Eric and Krissy Nordhoff share their journey of working in the Christian music industry, navigating the ups and downs as a couple and what they're doing to pour into a songwriting community.

Krissy Nordhoff is a Grammy® nominated (FAMOUS FOR(I BELIEVE)) and Dove Award® winning (YOUR GREAT NAME) professional songwriter and author. Her songs have been recorded by a variety of artists including Natalie Grant, Tauren Wells, Jenn Johnson (Bethel Music), Mandisa, Darlene Zschech, David and Nicole Binion, Travis Cottrell, Prestonwood Worship, Corey Voss, Dustin Smith, Phillips, Craig & Dean, and many others. Passionate about training and encouraging the next generation of worship songwriters, Krissy mentors, teaches and creates resources at WritingWorship.co. She recently penned a book, Writing Worship: How To Craft Heartfelt Songs for the Church (David C Cook) that offers spiritual and practical insights for aspiring songwriters and worship teams that want to write original songs for their church congregations.

Eric Nordhoff has worked at a jingle production house, Warner Bros. Records, Provident Music Group, and Word Entertainment. Today, he spends his time building a resource for the WritingWorship.co community together with his wife. He also consults for corporate clients who want to get started in podcasting.

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Feb 20, 202349:12
Should Artists Use AI Like ChatGPT?
Feb 13, 202331:53
Releasing Music as a Church: Marketing Strategies with Bethel Music's Marketing Director, Morgan Hill
Feb 06, 202342:11
Releasing Music as a Church: Marketing Your Music
Jan 30, 202332:10
Releasing Music as a Church: Picking the Songs
Jan 23, 202336:09
Releasing Music as a Church: Building a Firm Foundation
Jan 16, 202324:44
Releasing Music as a Church: Count the Cost
Jan 09, 202316:00
The Fine Print of Being an Artist You Didn't Know About
Dec 12, 202225:08
7 Tools to Help You Be More Organized
Nov 28, 202238:14
How to Sing - Sammie & Bethany Lee

How to Sing - Sammie & Bethany Lee

Are you a singer? On this episode, Wisdom Moon interviews vocal coach, Bethany Lee and her husband Sammie Lee, about her new course for singers - How to Sing: A Practical Vocal Guide by Bethany Lee. Bethany's been singing professionally and teaching singers for over 13 years. With two decades of training under her belt, Bethany's passion is to help singers discover their healthiest, most authentic, and beautiful sound!

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Nov 21, 202235:52
5 Tips for Your Holiday Release
Oct 10, 202224:22
Lydia Laird on Mental Health, Social Media and Accountability
Oct 03, 202232:34
5 Tips for Utilizing Social Media As An Artist
Sep 28, 202223:04
Should You Quit Social Media?
Sep 21, 202242:44
What Christian Record Labels Are Looking For
Sep 14, 202222:17
Best Release Strategy for Indie Artists
Sep 07, 202228:45
How Streaming Marketing Works
Aug 31, 202227:18
Wisdom from Wisdom + Our Agency's 4-Year Anniversary
Aug 24, 202254:29
Aaron Williams of The Worship Initiative - Getting Vulnerable About Loneliness
Aug 17, 202246:39
Pauline Zoe Park - Christian Music 2.0: Soul Songs for the Next Generation
Aug 10, 202243:02
Todd McVicker - You Were Created to Create
Aug 08, 202238:09
Shaylee Simeone - Navigating the Christian Celebrity Culture + Sync Licensing
Aug 03, 202242:49
Stephen McWhirter - From Meth Addict to Worship Leader & Songwriter

Stephen McWhirter - From Meth Addict to Worship Leader & Songwriter

Stephen shares about his journey from meth addict to worship leader, songwriter and artist. He also shares helpful tips and insights on songwriting and co-writing. We also discuss the impact of non-Christians writing some of the worship songs and Christian songs that we sing at church and hear on Christian radio. Stephen also shares the importance of prayer and seeking God's direction as an artist/songwriter.

Stephen McWhirter is a songwriter and recording Artist with Lula Street Records in distribution with Integrity Music. He is also a touring worship leader, producer, speaker, and author, seeing thousands come to Christ through God’s calling on his life and his powerful testimony of God transforming him from meth addict to worship leader. Also, Stephen is formally one of the prominent songwriters and voices for the worship collective, Iron Bell Music, which was signed to Essential Worship and Provident Label Group.

Join us September 12-14 for the Worship Songwriters Retreat hosted by Lula Street Records! A retreat designed to help you grow, collaborate and create. Over 50% of the spot are already filled, so be sure to apply today! (This retreat is limited to 30 songwriters.)

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Jul 27, 202233:43
Daniel Bashta - Ministry, Addiction and Recovery

Daniel Bashta - Ministry, Addiction and Recovery

If you haven't heard the name Daniel Bashta in a while and wondered, 'Whatever happened to Daniel?'...on this episode, Wisdom Moon invited Daniel to share his journey over the past several years. Daniel unpacks how his life of ministry, songwriting and artistry spiraled into a serious addiction and seeking therapy and recovery. This interview is raw and vulnerable.

Daniel Bashta has written songs that have been recorded and sung all over the planet by the Newsboys, Third Day, David Crowder, Passion Band, Jesus Culture and Bethel Music. Perhaps best known for penning the worship anthem Like a Lion(Gods Not Dead). Relevant Magazine has said, “Bashta’s music is simultaneously organic and arena-ready, filled with both intimacy and soaring cries to God.” Worship Leader Magazine gave his last record “The Invisible” 5 stars saying “There is something that comes alive in your soul when you hear something clearly outside the popular and proven approaches to worship music. “Bashta’s vocal power is passionate yet graceful, It’s Rufus Wainwright meets Keith Green.

Join us September 12-14 for the Worship Songwriters Retreat hosted by Lula Street Records! A retreat designed to help you grow, collaborate and create. Over 50% of the spot are already filled, so be sure to apply today! (This retreat is limited to 30 songwriters.)

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Ken Gober - From Drug Addict to Christian Artist
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