Progression Podcast

#3: Jen Dary on Becoming a Manager and Taking a Break

An episode of Progression Podcast

By Jonny Burch
As makers, we're great at designing and building products and experiences that people love. But one thing that we still can't do effectively is design our own careers.

With the help of regular contributors and special guests, I dig into why that is, tackling questions around managing vs making, missing manager tools, soft and hard skills and training, compensation and navigating a new job that's right for you.

We want to help managers to build more satisfying careers for their teams, and designers and makers everywhere to do work they truly love.
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#4: Jonny and Austin chitchat
Alongside talking to leaders in design and careers, I'll be spending some episodes coming back to fine people like Austin Keeble to talk through ongoing progress of our projects and challenges that we see in the broader design industry with regards to skills and personal growth. This episode we talk about the Progression Pack pilot, the importance of using data to power team growth, and the need for a more structured hiring process for diversity and the good of teams. Also, the audio is gradually improving! By the tenth episode we'll be in This American Life territory. I'm on a break now for a few weeks in India. Please do let me know what you thought of this episode and the pod in general, more in November. --- Useful links: Austin: Jonny: Join the conversation:
October 15, 2018
#3: Jen Dary on Becoming a Manager and Taking a Break
This episode, I'm chatting to Jen Dary, a leadership coach, workshop organiser, writer and card-maker from California. Jen runs Plucky, a company focused on helping companies and their people create happier workplaces. We like that! We talk about the strange need for managers and leaders to spend time creating physical things, the challenges of moving into management and how much it can help to chat things over with someone who can't fire you. Jen is wicked fun, and a great guest. I hope you enjoy the chat as much as I did! Any thoughts, feedback or questions - just email me: You can also record a message in anchor if you want to be featured on a future episode. (I'm still working on sound quality - next episode won't sound like I'm in a bathroom or a record player, promise) --- Plucky: Jen on twitter: So Now You're A Manager: --- Progression Pack: Join the community: Me on twitter:
October 10, 2018
#2: Andy Budd on Ownership and UX titles
I take this episode to chat to Andy Budd, founder of design agency Clearleft, outspoken social media presence and organiser of several design conferences here in the UK. We talk about issues with designer titles, building an ownership mindset for your own career, agencies vs in-house, and bringing a new generation of designers into more senior design positions. Got thoughts or feedback? Hit me up on twitter @jonnyburch or join the community at Handy links: - Andy on Twitter: - Ladder of Accountability: - Leading Design Conference: - Submarine Leadership: - The Peter principle: --- - Progression Pack: - Me on twitter:
October 1, 2018
Episode 1: Minimum Viable Podcast
In the first ever episode, I'm joined by fantastic designer and design educator Austin Keeble, for discussion on design progression, levelling and expectations at work. Among other things I ask Austin for feedback on the work in progress intro to my upcoming course, and he gets into the weeds on the state of design short courses and bootcamps. I'm looking for cracking guests and great topics to cover in future episodes. If you have an idea for either, or just some feedback about this episode, please get in touch on twitter (@mkgrw) or by joining the progression community at -------- Today's show with Austin Keeble and Jonny Burch Follow Make and Grow on twitter at
September 4, 2018
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